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On October 26 2010 20:01 Morfildur wrote: So how many tournaments did you win already?
Anyways, what about... you know... inventing new builds?
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sipping pop lawls, GO CANADA!
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On October 26 2010 21:25 Garrl wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2010 21:14 Cain0 wrote:On October 26 2010 20:18 Stuv wrote: Am I the only one who has to puke from the arrogant tone in the posts? Not at all. Seriously, you all may aswell say "well I play brood war, so therefore im above everyone else, I dont wish to play SC2 because it is too easy for me since my mechanics and stratergy is better than eveeryone elses". And to the person who says BW is "clearer"... WHAT, ill admit that its more refined and is in a more balanced state at the minute, but one thing it isnt is clearer, im sure that everyone will admit that the BW graphics are hard to make out at times. Heres my advice, BW is a 10 year old game, its a great game, but its 10 years old. The only people left playing it are the hardcore players who will genuinley beat you in under 7-8 minutes every game, there is no automatch system and ICCUP is impossibly difficult for the first 6 mounths of play and you will not find anyone who is of similar skill level straight away, you will most lightly go 0-100 before you even get a close game. SC2 is a new game and the future of e-sports, everyone has a fresh start and you have a better chance of getting to the top. There is automatch system and you will find someone of similar skill everytime no matter how bad or good you are. My advice is to stick to SC2 however I know that SC1 is a great game, I know that some people still play it and that is great and I know that brood war players are most lightly more skilled than SC2 players because they have 10 years experience. Uh, you DO realise there's almost a general consensus that BW graphics are clearer than SC2's "SHINYEXPLOSIONS" graphics? @OP, play BW, it's a far better game. Don't listen to the people that say "IT'S 10 YEARS OLD THEREFORE SC2 MUST BE BETTER"; almost every unit in BW has infinite skill capability for strategic or tactical placement of units, alongside more macro-based styles of play (ie, less 1 base play).
Yeh, if youve got the graphics on the highest settings its hard to make out, on medium and low settings, its very easy to make out. Also, you must admit that anyone who plays BW with little (less than 2 years) experience gets their ass handed to them every game, wheres the fun in that? There is little chance to use the units "infinite skill", because your too busy trying to find your way around the interface. In fact, the only people who will use any sort of micro that isnt piss simple are B+/A players because its so difficult to macro that game. No matter how good you want to micro units, the other guys macro will over-run you in 5 minutes. If you dont see what I mean, make an ICCUP account and play 3-5 games.
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sipping tea lawls, GO ENGLAND!
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Without being rude I havent seen your name win anything yet. Perhaps its better for you to comment on executing builds perfectly 90% of the time after you are at the top.
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I wish you good luck. Bnet is full of hackers and Iccup is all about 300 apm Korean freaks.
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On October 26 2010 22:16 Boblion wrote: I wish you good luck. Bnet is full of hackers and Iccup is all about 300 apm Korean freaks.
Agreed, if by freaks you mean people who are outragously good at the game. b.net on BW is just terrible, if you wanna play BW, play ICCUP, however, the "freaks" will murder you.
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There is always the option of playing with a friend. If you both can improve in a matchup, it will be fun as hell. I've played ZvP with a friend 200 times, we both started 40 so APM, went up to 100 APM, and had lots of fun Every.Single.Game. If we did get bored (which happened after playing a bit too much of the MU, not the game) we switched races. We both went into SC2 wide eyed and excited, and... switched back to BW after a few months. I still attempted to play SC2 till october, then was fed up with it. Try it! If you live in Europe, you can give me a PM and we can try some games, haven't played in a while since my friend went into the army, and I'm pretty terrible now. EDIT: noticed you live in Canada. The lag would probably be intolerable.
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Meh just play BW. My skill cap is reached already basically in BW, but it never stops being fun. People saying inventing new builds all the time is just silly. It's not ALWAYS possible. Even in BW i try new stuff like bunkers instead of turret builds, valk/tank or other weird stuff and its fun but not viable. If you simply aren't enjoying it give it a break. I think a lot of people will end up sharing your opinion within the next year when the game stagnates so hard, i see no other direction for it. How can the game NOT stagnate with such easy mechanics?
On October 26 2010 22:11 T0fuuu wrote: Without being rude I havent seen your name win anything yet. Perhaps its better for you to comment on executing builds perfectly 90% of the time after you are at the top.
So a player has to win EVERYTHING until he can have a complaint about the game. Guess what, not all wins are satisfying. If it's not satisfying and you're not having fun playing it then there's no reason to just because some idiots on forums say HUR INNOVATE, WIN TOURNMANETS as if that will add the fun you are looking for.
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Your thoughts----sc2 is boring too easy i want to try something harder sc1 gogogogo Reality--- make the same build 1111111111111111times win always in sc2 make build 11111111111111111111111111111111 times in sc1 still havent mastered the build.
prepare your ass for some rape if you are going to play bw have a lot of fun practicing.
good luck brave one.
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Good luck with brood war, if you want i can play a few practice games with you- just send me a pm. I am a C/C+ zerg player.
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It appears that your main source of boredom in SC2 is that execution is too easy. Execution will never, ever be too easy in BW, even if you used Oblivion and thus had MBS and auto-mine. Your opposition is simply too experienced, and your unit control is simply not perfect, guaranteed. To optimally micro a late-game PvT tank push you'd need to control every single one of over 30 zealots to split in a matter of seconds. Don't even start thinking about what optimal control in TvZ is; it's impossible.
If you love losing and get your rush simply from just playing well and improving, BW is the game for you.
On stagnation of innovation in SC2: gamers there will be forced to innovate for at least a few years until Legacy of the Void is out and Blizzard stops implementing balance patches. Whether innovation will ever fade, or even if Blizzard will ever stop tweaking balance, has yet to be seen.
BW didn't need balance changes for 9 years (since 1.08 in 2001 I believe) to continue evolving.
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On October 26 2010 22:48 infinity2k9 wrote: Meh just play BW. My skill cap is reached already basically in BW, but it never stops being fun. Newsflash. Player that has not reached his skillcap in sc2 is complaining the game is too easy despite not wanting to actually compete with top players. The game is only as difficult as the competition. If he truly is already not always having something to do and flawless in his execution then I would love to see him dominate a round of cups and retire as a slightly wealthier man to bw.
If he wants to play BW thats fine. But there is no need to dramatise his departure cos hes achieved nothing.
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If your going to play BW here's a few tips.
Entry level 1v1 BW on ICCUP is tough. Depending on what time zone you are in. D could be a newcomer who just started, or D could mean a B+ korean smurfing.
The solution? BGH and 3v3, 4v4 Hunters! Its a great way to start out, the skill level is relatively balanced. Although it's rare that you will find a game that will last past the initial rush, its a good way to train.
Games will be a lot more fun if you have a hope of winning, rather than watching a terran roll your dreams.
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I remember thinking I was really good at Super Smash Bros Melee because I could wave dash, L-Cancel and was pretty good at DI-ing. Then I played a really really good guy who basically crushed me, and suddenly I realized that I hadn't reached my skill cap, and was in fact nowhere near it.
My point is: there are always things you can improve, although they aren't always obvious until you get crushed because you couldn't execute them. If you find yourself drinking in the middle of a SC2 game, then you are probably nowhere near your skillcap. And also, it isn't just about executing your build order, that's just the early game anyway.
Try playing against someone who is a LOT better than you, that's what always motivates me to get better.
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On October 26 2010 20:36 Gono wrote: Sorry if I sounded arrogant, it wasn't meant to be implied. I'm very aware that I'm nowhere close to the better players.
Thanks for the helpful posts, especially ghost. I feel I have the attack timings down, and can do the drop micro fairly well, but by the sound of it the macro will own me for awhile, I'm pretty sure I only get away with macro because of MBS and automine.
You don't know what macro is until you have played years of BW.........
You should seriously try playing a good session of BW and if you can do well in that SC2 will become a joke.. Everything is just easier in SC2//
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On October 26 2010 21:14 Cain0 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2010 20:18 Stuv wrote: Am I the only one who has to puke from the arrogant tone in the posts? Not at all. Seriously, you all may aswell say "well I play brood war, so therefore im above everyone else, I dont wish to play SC2 because it is too easy for me since my mechanics and stratergy is better than eveeryone elses". And to the person who says BW is "clearer"... WHAT, ill admit that its more refined and is in a more balanced state at the minute, but one thing it isnt is clearer, im sure that everyone will admit that the BW graphics are hard to make out at times. Heres my advice, BW is a 10 year old game, its a great game, but its 10 years old. The only people left playing it are the hardcore players who will genuinley beat you in under 7-8 minutes every game, there is no automatch system and ICCUP is impossibly difficult for the first 6 mounths of play and you will not find anyone who is of similar skill level straight away, you will most lightly go 0-100 before you even get a close game. SC2 is a new game and the future of e-sports, everyone has a fresh start and you have a better chance of getting to the top. There is automatch system and you will find someone of similar skill everytime no matter how bad or good you are. My advice is to stick to SC2 however I know that SC1 is a great game, I know that some people still play it and that is great and I know that brood war players are most lightly more skilled than SC2 players because they have 10 years experience.
Do you play a game to win or do you play to have fun? Sure sounds a lot more of the former. There's nothing wrong with that, but when you flee to another game cause you can't do it in another, feels kinda wrong.
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Oh dude you will love BW, I assure it. If you like the fact that SC2 is punishing for mistakes...lol wait until you try BW. People commit their lives to that game for a reason, it's fucking hard as hell.
However it is a BLAST while playing it. I've had the urge to get back into it to (I didn't play sc2, I just took a break from SC1).
My only recommendation is to remember that it IS a game, because it can easily take over your life...it's that in-depth.
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and more likely you will forget sc2 and not want to be associated with it again . I was the same with brawl/melee, started off with brawl, then got into melee, then regretted playing brawl. Playing competitive BW for a good couple months will certainly make you realize why a lot of BW players don't play SC2.
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On October 26 2010 19:56 Gono wrote: Broke up with my girlfriend? Looks like I shouldnt have expanded so fast, I didnt have the emotional resources to support it.
Lesson learned guys, this guy speaks true words of wisdom.
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