Anyone else really into the new hip-hop group OFWGKTA (Odd Future Wolf Gang Kill Them All)?
I haven't been this impressed with a new hip-hop artist since Lil B (The Based God)
Tyler, The Creator is my favorite member of the group. His new album Goblin will becoming out soon this year, I'm pretty hyped for it. Young members, good beats, engaging lyrics, and I love the pitch shifting stuff Tyler does.
This group is about to blow up pretty big. I guarantee it. If only Lil B were in this group instead of the pack :<
keep in mind that a lot of their lyrics are tongue-in-cheek, tyler's lyrics are actually clever and funny if you can accept that they are NOT set out to make horrorcore (he hates being branded that)
We have really similar tastes in hip-hop. Ive been listening to him for a little while now. I love how he doesn't rap to the new mainstream club style and is into the whole grunge/gangsta hiphop.
Goblin leaked today and it is fucking sick. Have not bought music in years, but I preordered the Goblin deluxe cd and in vinyl. Might frame it.
I hope I can see these guys live some day. I have watched like 50 videos of their concerts on youtube and they just keep getting more and more intense. The recent videos of concerts in Amsterdam/ London are incredible.
The whole thing is awesome, but the last two minutes are insane.
OFWGKTA and Death Grips are the best things to happen to hip hop in a loooong ass time. Listening to the Goblin leak now and it's sick. Pre-ordered the deluxe edition like a month ago but couldn't wait :p
Absolutely legendary. Lil B isn't what he seems to be. He's a sarcastic critic of the entire culture his music is catered toward. His freestyles are actually pretty good.
golf wang. tyler the creater actually had his commercial on the golf channel and that was pretty sick. definitely gonna buy Goblin deluxe when it comes out. But my favorite in Odd Future is frank ocean or Earl Sweatshirt. Earl has crazy flow and frank ocean is smooth as hell. I'd recomment for all of ya to download all their mixtapes from their websites. They have something around 180 songs. My favorite song thus far from them is their Lemonade remix called Orange Juice. They really showcase how horrible Gucci Mane is. Also, Frank Ocean - Greedy Love; Frank Ocean - Songs for Women are smooth as fuck.
On May 05 2011 21:29 zulu_nation8 wrote: please tell me what's impressive about lil B
He's incredibly polarizing and he has the problem that a large amount of his fanbase only likes him because they consider him a meme. If you look past that you may find that he made some really good music (some bad music too but that's not that strange seeing as he made about a billion songs in 2010 alone)
I was getting a little aggravated at this group because /mu/ is getting flooded with threads of fake leaks of GOBLIN. Didn't even bother to listen to their old stuff because of it. Yet, god damn, that first video in this thread is pretty amazing, I'll have to check out the rest of what these guys have to offer.
Realized that OF puts out all/most of their stuff for free. Here!
Green paper, gold teeth and pregnant gold retrievers All I want, fuck money, diamonds and bitches, don't need them But where the fat ones at? I got something to feed them
On May 06 2011 11:47 Sky wrote: Realized that OF puts out all/most of their stuff for free. Here!
Sad to say it, but it puts me off that they're hipster fodder.
true story. hipsters love it. i means, it doesnt detract from the cleverness of the lyrics but the social aspect of the music is ridiculous where i live.
On May 06 2011 11:47 Sky wrote: Realized that OF puts out all/most of their stuff for free. Here!
Sad to say it, but it puts me off that they're hipster fodder.
true story. hipsters love it. i means, it doesnt detract from the cleverness of the lyrics but the social aspect of the music is ridiculous where i live.
Hating things because other people like them and because those other people are somehow construed as "hipsters" is the worst impulse in music listening.
Hipsters are a function of your imagination - like the Easter Bunny and Presbyterians.
But there are people who listened to OFWGKTA before Pitchfork attempted to "claim" them (starting lists @ 2010 end but increasing exponentially after the Fallon performance) and there are people who listened to them after the hype machine gained momentum.
The people in the latter camp are the ones judging them on the basis of whether hipsters listen to them. The people in the former camp are worried the people in the latter camp are going to ruin what a precious thing OFWGKTA actually is.
But Goblin should cut some of the stragglers out, I think. A harsh, uncompromising record.
I think disliking something because it's hipster is completely understandable and justified. Indie has become disgustingly hype driven, unmeritocratic and embodies the worst stereotypes of fashion.
On May 06 2011 11:47 Sky wrote: Realized that OF puts out all/most of their stuff for free. Here!
Sad to say it, but it puts me off that they're hipster fodder.
true story. hipsters love it. i means, it doesnt detract from the cleverness of the lyrics but the social aspect of the music is ridiculous where i live.
Hating things because other people like them and because those other people are somehow construed as "hipsters" is the worst impulse in music listening.
Hipsters are a function of your imagination - like the Easter Bunny and Presbyterians.
But there are people who listened to OFWGKTA before Pitchfork attempted to "claim" them (starting lists @ 2010 end but increasing exponentially after the Fallon performance) and there are people who listened to them after the hype machine gained momentum.
The people in the latter camp are the ones judging them on the basis of whether hipsters listen to them. The people in the former camp are worried the people in the latter camp are going to ruin what a precious thing OFWGKTA actually is.
But Goblin should cut some of the stragglers out, I think. A harsh, uncompromising record.
lol this dudes post is literally like the pitchfork review about goblin LOL
On May 06 2011 15:28 jon arbuckle wrote: The people in the latter camp are the ones judging them on the basis of whether hipsters listen to them. The people in the former camp are worried the people in the latter camp are going to ruin what a precious thing OFWGKTA actually is.
Odd Future Wolf Gang Kill Them All Don't Give A Fuck about what anyone else thinks or wants. OF isn't getting ruined anytime soon.
On May 12 2011 01:51 zulu_nation8 wrote: I think disliking something because it's hipster is completely understandable and justified. Indie has become disgustingly hype driven, unmeritocratic and embodies the worst stereotypes of fashion.
"Hipster" exists mainly as an epithet to decry someone else for perceived superficiality of taste. In terms of fashion, art, music, and culture, "hipster" is so pluralistic in use that it doesn't actually denote anything at all.
The very idea that OFWGKTA, suburban skaterats well-read on the Internet, could be lumped in with like fucking Death Neutral Vampire Cab Beach Milk Weekend For House Hotel Cutie (itself composed of different aesthetics among bands) proves my point.
At best, by using the word, you're contributing to boom/bust cycles in the popularity of certain bands. A group exists for however long it exists, but once they accrue some chatter on the Internet, they grow at an exponential rate until it reaches an apex of popularity, becoming hipster fodder (or runoff, if you're into that sort of thing). At that point, it is cooler to be a detractor, to seemingly stand at the side and sneer at the band as "stuff hipsters like," until the band doesn't mean anything anymore.
But none of this hinges on merit, just hype and superficiality. If you want to get closer to evaluating a band or album for its qualities as a band or album in line with whatever, setting aside "hipsters" would be a good start.
(like what is it you have in mind when you say "indie"? didn't you defend Explosions in the Sky to me a long time ago?)
On May 06 2011 11:47 Sky wrote: Realized that OF puts out all/most of their stuff for free. Here!
Sad to say it, but it puts me off that they're hipster fodder.
true story. hipsters love it. i means, it doesnt detract from the cleverness of the lyrics but the social aspect of the music is ridiculous where i live.
Hating things because other people like them and because those other people are somehow construed as "hipsters" is the worst impulse in music listening.
Hipsters are a function of your imagination - like the Easter Bunny and Presbyterians.
But there are people who listened to OFWGKTA before Pitchfork attempted to "claim" them (starting lists @ 2010 end but increasing exponentially after the Fallon performance) and there are people who listened to them after the hype machine gained momentum.
The people in the latter camp are the ones judging them on the basis of whether hipsters listen to them. The people in the former camp are worried the people in the latter camp are going to ruin what a precious thing OFWGKTA actually is.
But Goblin should cut some of the stragglers out, I think. A harsh, uncompromising record.
lol this dudes post is literally like the pitchfork review about goblin LOL
On May 06 2011 15:28 jon arbuckle wrote: The people in the latter camp are the ones judging them on the basis of whether hipsters listen to them. The people in the former camp are worried the people in the latter camp are going to ruin what a precious thing OFWGKTA actually is.
Odd Future Wolf Gang Kill Them All Don't Give A Fuck about what anyone else thinks or wants. OF isn't getting ruined anytime soon.
Wasn't talking about whether OFWGKTA think about what people think or want.
Tyler is painfully self-aware without the vocabulary to deal with that, and Goblin already bears evidence of pockmarks from the attention (e.g. preemptive knee-jerk complaining-about-fame album theme for the first physical album from an Internet-curio-cum-Next-Big-Thing). If he hasn't lost his eager, unselfconscious vulgarity, he's at least subordinated it for sludgy, midtempo, Eminem-confessionals, a quality prefigured in the past but now given greater emphasis. Backlash has already mounted for that.
It's the side of OFWGKTA that made "Assmilk" that I'm worried about.
In music hipster refers to a specific culture of fashionable individuals who are in tune more or less with the same circle of media ranging from blogs to pitchfork to nylon, etc. I prefer to use indie when talking about music though. Odd future is lumped together with that group of bands because they have become an indie commodity through exactly the process you describe. I don't see how the fact none of those bands resemble each other very much proves anything. The point is exactly it's not about the music.
While many do disregard indie in the same way hipsters have ruined it, I don't think it's better to ignore what actually goes on while trying to pretend anyone still has the ability to evaluate a buzzband with unspoiled intentions. Often I'm more worried about those who are part of this culture but are oblivious to where their "taste" comes from.
I have Bastard but haven't listened to it that much. I do appreciate French! and Yonkers. I have never defended Explosions in the Sky to anyone, you remembered wrong.
I don't know how much HRO as it is now can really satirize anything but their stuff on pitchfork is still mostly hilarious.
On May 12 2011 03:52 zulu_nation8 wrote: In music hipster refers to a specific culture of fashionable individuals who are in tune more or less with the same circle of media ranging from blogs to pitchfork to nylon, etc.
Used by outsiders from that scene, I guess, although with all the tumblrs and blogs that exist, the distinction between "them hipsters" and "us" is blurry.
The Internet farm league that raises bands isn't much different from the major label farm league that hires and raises pop stars except the latter is explicitly about financial gain while the former has little hope of financial self-sustenance built into it.
That said, this implicates nearly all types of music, but more importantly mistakes the quality of music (as a transitive, subjective category, of course) for the perceived origin of that music - its distribution channels, the discourse that brought it to somebody's attention. It also implicates all listeners, or can, depending on who's using it.
I do not actually listen to Animal Collective. I listen to the hipsters I imagine listen to Animal Collective and I listen to the scores that Pitchfork gave Animal Collective. I then promote x-band over Animal Collective in an iconoclastic gesture that demonstrates my being superior to the standard calculus of taste. But am I actually listening?
On May 12 2011 03:52 zulu_nation8 wrote: I prefer to use indie when talking about music though.
"Indie" barely means anything anymore either.
On May 12 2011 03:52 zulu_nation8 wrote: Odd future is lumped together with that group of bands because they have become an indie commodity through exactly the process you describe. I don't see how the fact none of those bands resemble each other very much proves anything. The point is exactly it's not about the music.
What's not about the music?
The word "hipster" is larger than music, yes.
The judgment call embedded in the word, that some people like something not because they in fact like it but because of the cultural capital inherent in the embrace of that particular cultural commodity, is really snotty and is often bandied about baseless. It's not that I don't think the superficial embrace of cultural capital doesn't exist; I'd prefer meaningful dialogue on the subject as opposed to virulently labeling things "hipster" when the criteria for things "hipster" are vague and easily applied to just about anything.
Especially because the "hipster" appendage is most often used by people who aren't active in these scenes; people who sneer and say "hipster" tend to be the least qualified to make that judgment.
On May 12 2011 03:52 zulu_nation8 wrote: While many do disregard indie in the same way hipsters have ruined it,
Wait, how old are you?
On May 12 2011 03:52 zulu_nation8 wrote: Often I'm more worried about those who are part of this culture but are oblivious to where their "taste" comes from.
I have Bastard but haven't listened to it that much. I do appreciate French! and Yonkers.
I appreciated this juxtaposition.
On May 12 2011 03:52 zulu_nation8 wrote: I don't know how much HRO as it is now can really satirize anything but their stuff on pitchfork is still mostly hilarious.
Haven't read it in two years.
In HRO's terms, it is impossible to actually like anything, and you'd be stupid to think you can. Ultimately I'd rather put the pieces back together and like what I like regardless.
On May 12 2011 03:52 zulu_nation8 wrote: In music hipster refers to a specific culture of fashionable individuals who are in tune more or less with the same circle of media ranging from blogs to pitchfork to nylon, etc.
Used by outsiders from that scene, I guess, although with all the tumblrs and blogs that exist, the distinction between "them hipsters" and "us" is blurry.
The Internet farm league that raises bands isn't much different from the major label farm league that hires and raises pop stars except the latter is explicitly about financial gain while the former has little hope of financial self-sustenance built into it.
That said, this implicates nearly all types of music, but more importantly mistakes the quality of music (as a transitive, subjective category, of course) for the perceived origin of that music - its distribution channels, the discourse that brought it to somebody's attention. It also implicates all listeners, or can, depending on who's using it.
I do not actually listen to Animal Collective. I listen to the hipsters I imagine listen to Animal Collective and I listen to the scores that Pitchfork gave Animal Collective. I then promote x-band over Animal Collective in an iconoclastic gesture that demonstrates my being superior to the standard calculus of taste. But am I actually listening?
I guess the difference is just how seriously someone takes all of it.
Nothing to disagree with here. But I remember not long ago people had less reasons to be cynical about the scene.
On May 12 2011 03:52 zulu_nation8 wrote: Odd future is lumped together with that group of bands because they have become an indie commodity through exactly the process you describe. I don't see how the fact none of those bands resemble each other very much proves anything. The point is exactly it's not about the music.
What's not about the music?
The word "hipster" is larger than music, yes.
The judgment call embedded in the word, that some people like something not because they in fact like it but because of the cultural capital inherent in the embrace of that particular cultural commodity, is really snotty and is often bandied about baseless. It's not that I don't think the superficial embrace of cultural capital doesn't exist; I'd prefer meaningful dialogue on the subject as opposed to virulently labeling things "hipster" when the criteria for things "hipster" are vague and easily applied to just about anything.
Especially because the "hipster" appendage is most often used by people who aren't active in these scenes; people who sneer and say "hipster" tend to be the least qualified to make that judgment.
Whatever allows those bands to be mentioned together has nothing to do with style or genre.
Again I don't disagree, though I often call others hipsters derogatively. I rarely get a chance to defend what I listen to versus a complete outsider so I don't mind when the word is actually used to condescend. But I do still believe the negative connotations associated with the term are, from perhaps an overly cynical perspective, true too often.
On May 12 2011 03:52 zulu_nation8 wrote: Often I'm more worried about those who are part of this culture but are oblivious to where their "taste" comes from.
I have Bastard but haven't listened to it that much. I do appreciate French! and Yonkers.
I appreciated this juxtaposition.
I can see how it can be read that way but I actually didn't mean it.