I can't believe these people can say this. It's incredibly rage-inducing as you scroll down through the picture, and it makes me ashamed to call myself an American, knowing that these are my fellow comrades.
Wow, this pisses me off
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Pvvned
United States405 Posts
I can't believe these people can say this. It's incredibly rage-inducing as you scroll down through the picture, and it makes me ashamed to call myself an American, knowing that these are my fellow comrades. | ||
Crimson
United States311 Posts
i don't even know what to say. that is just... awful. why does my country do so many things to make me ashamed of being a citizen of it. | ||
Zerokaiser
Canada885 Posts
Goad Japan into attacking. Drop 2 nuclear bombs on civilian targets in Japan. Tell Japan "they had it coming" when an earthquake kills tens of thousands of innocent people over half a century later. EDIT: There's gonna' be a lot of comments about "There will always be idiots that you need to ignore." I know this doesn't apply to the majority, that's not what I'm saying...but let's be honest, there's a disproportionately high amount of shit frothing from American mouths. It's tough to believe that such a developed country can be raising so many ridiculous people considering corporate interest and nationalism has only really taken hold since WW2. Mr. Americans in this thread, what is it that keeps you in the States? Is it family, friends, finance? | ||
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Selth
United States469 Posts
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Amnesia
United States3818 Posts
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neobowman
Canada3324 Posts
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gongryong
Korea (South)1430 Posts
i dont understand humans. | ||
BookII
Australia400 Posts
Absolutely disgusting. When will people like this open up their eyes? | ||
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oBlade
Korea (South)4630 Posts
On March 13 2011 17:52 Zerokaiser wrote: but let's be honest, there's a disproportionately high amount of shit frothing from American mouths. I hope not per capita. It may appear that way since we are one of the most populous nations, and also because the comments are easy for you to observe since you share the English language and access to technology. For instance, you don't know how many people are saying stupid things in bars in Russia. Beware the perceptual bias. | ||
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Zerokaiser
Canada885 Posts
On March 13 2011 18:06 oBlade wrote: I hope not per capita. It may appear that way since we are one of the most populous nations, and also because the comments are easy for you to observe since you share the English language and access to technology. For instance, you don't know how many people are saying stupid things in bars in Russia. Beware the perceptual bias. Well, Canada is very similar to the United States in most ways other than being the United States. The biggest difference between Canada and the USA is the media, religion, and nationalism. There are idiots in Canada, but not nearly as many as the United States, and the United States' idiots tend to spew more "nonsense" and hypocrisy. I know I can't speak for Russia, but I can speak for Australia, most of Europe, etc. There's something significant about the States. | ||
roronoe
Canada1527 Posts
also, they mention WWII but they can't seem to remember america nuked Japan twice, wtf. | ||
Bajadulce
United States322 Posts
And to be perfectly honest, I for one am heavily swayed by the conspiracy theory that FDR knew of the Japanese attack but allowed it to happen due to the fact our aircraft carriers that were out to sea at the time and only outdated battlecruisers were stationed. | ||
TOloseGT
United States1145 Posts
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ReketSomething
United States6012 Posts
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NicksonReyes
Philippines4431 Posts
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Patriot.dlk
Sweden5462 Posts
On March 13 2011 17:52 Zerokaiser wrote: This is what happens in a country that's ruled by horrible media and nationalism. Goad Japan into attacking. Drop 2 nuclear bombs on civilian targets in Japan. Tell Japan "they had it coming" when an earthquake kills tens of thousands of innocent people over half a century later. EDIT: There's gonna' be a lot of comments about "There will always be idiots that you need to ignore." I know this doesn't apply to the majority, that's not what I'm saying...but let's be honest, there's a disproportionately high amount of shit frothing from American mouths. It's tough to believe that such a developed country can be raising so many ridiculous people considering corporate interest and nationalism has only really taken hold since WW2. Mr. Americans in this thread, what is it that keeps you in the States? Is it family, friends, finance? Really good post imo | ||
Existential
Australia2107 Posts
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tomatriedes
New Zealand5356 Posts
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Spritescaper
United States63 Posts
I mean, these people aren't intentionally trolling. These people genuinely believe in the shit spewing out of their mouths. | ||
Souma
2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
I know this doesn't apply to the majority, that's not what I'm saying...but let's be honest, there's a disproportionately high amount of shit frothing from American mouths. It's tough to believe that such a developed country can be raising so many ridiculous people considering corporate interest and nationalism has only really taken hold since WW2. Mr. Americans in this thread, what is it that keeps you in the States? Is it family, friends, finance? I don't think being a developed country has anything to do with it. In fact, one can argue it brings about elitism and even more bigotry. It all depends on the individual. Just remember that these guys are by no means a majority; they are, in the end, just a handful. What they're saying is disgusting, but what is even more disgusting are people who lump this country together through the bigotry of a vocal minority. | ||
writer22816
United States5775 Posts
you dropped TWO atomic bombs on Japan and you're still upset about pearl harbor? | ||
HeadhunteR
Argentina1258 Posts
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wrestlingfool08
United States139 Posts
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Loser777
1931 Posts
I'm angered the most by the people associating the actions of a government with all of the country's people. It's the same reason why the Internment Camps were a horrible decision and why the anti-Islamic sentiment in America is so ridiculous. I can't stand people who will be the first to say their country is the land of equality and just as quickly make sweeping generalizations with another group of people. | ||
Zidane
United States1683 Posts
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Bergys
Sweden337 Posts
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Kamais_Ookin
Canada4218 Posts
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Zerokaiser
Canada885 Posts
On March 13 2011 18:43 Souma wrote: I don't think being a developed country has anything to do with it. In fact, one can argue it brings about elitism and even more bigotry. It all depends on the individual. Just remember that these guys are by no means a majority; they are, in the end, just a handful. What they're saying is disgusting, but what is even more disgusting are people who lump this country together through the bigotry of a vocal minority. I know they're not a majority, I said that It is only a handful, but it's a larger handful than it should ever be. Those people aren't born stupid. Some of them are, but not most of them. I know that the United States isn't a country of idiots and bigots. At the same time, there are pretty widespread right-wing ideas in the United States that I personally find very disturbing. | ||
Souma
2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
Mr. Americans in this thread, what is it that keeps you in the States? It seems like you're blowing it up bigger than it actually is. | ||
NeonFlare
Finland1307 Posts
It makes me a bit sad to see people stop thinking and just linking the very few facts they know that barely relate the subject to form their opinion. | ||
Draconizard
628 Posts
Is such thinking misguided here? Of course. Should we not actively try to resist such base urges? Certainly. But is such thinking in the least bit surprising in and of itself? Not in the least. On March 13 2011 19:02 Zerokaiser wrote:I know that the United States isn't a country of idiots and bigots. Indeed, it's not simply the US; it is the entire world and everyone in it. No one is free from bias. | ||
Zim23
United States1681 Posts
(This was a satirical post, brought to you by me). | ||
NIIINO
Slovakia1320 Posts
god im pissed off too now ! | ||
BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES49045 Posts
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Kamais_Ookin
Canada4218 Posts
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Kickboxer
Slovenia1308 Posts
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hazelynut
United States2195 Posts
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Roe
Canada6002 Posts
Why have people been telling me that in WoW trade chat all this time... Well OP, I don't find this new at all. They're the same breed of human as the holocaust deniers, the anti-Semites, the KKK, the black panthers, neo-nazis, the list goes on. The only difference is we have some relative level of freedom of speech which allows these gremlins to come out of the woodwork background of national conversation. | ||
Realpenguin
8253 Posts
Anyways, this is my personal favorite one: + Show Spoiler + Oh, America ~_~ | ||
Souma
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guN-viCe
United States687 Posts
Atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki: 90,000–166,000 killed in Hiroshima 60,000–80,000 killed in Nagasaki Yay for ignorance ! | ||
Spazer
Canada8025 Posts
On March 13 2011 19:41 Roe wrote: wait I thought China was the one to attack pearl harbour? Why have people been telling me that in WoW trade chat all this time... lol, China was on the Allies' side in WWII. Even if they had wanted to attack the US (which they had no reason to), they were kinda busy with the Japanese invasion of their homeland at the time. | ||
nanashin
United States1584 Posts
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endy
Switzerland8966 Posts
This is both incredibly disgusting and ignorant. | ||
Shinrei
United States235 Posts
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krok(obs)
Germany264 Posts
smacks of a lot of unwarranted self-importance to me | ||
SushilS
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On March 13 2011 18:11 ArvickHero wrote: I'm glad none of this garbage ended up in my FB news stream, otherwise I would've started a fuckin war with whichever idiot spewed such trash Shit like this is why Im glad I never got onto FB in the first place.... | ||
Speedbump
New Zealand338 Posts
Joking about Mother Nature having her way with a country is never cool. | ||
Tetralix
Netherlands65 Posts
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Swwww
Switzerland812 Posts
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FraCuS
United States1072 Posts
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Womwomwom
5930 Posts
Anyway, these people aren't ignorant they know exactly what they're doing. The whole Pearl Harbour shit is just justification for their disliked of the Japanese people and in many cases the very same people will hide behind this fact to shield them from anyone commenting on their racism ("I'm not racist, its just karma for their attack on US soil"). To use a Starcraft example, its exactly the same as all those people who dislike Flash because he's a turtle. The very same people know he's probably one of the most aggressive terrans playing today but because they dislike him for beating their favourite player into the ground, they latch onto the few boring games where he builds 100 turrets to shield them from any call outs. They're not ignorant, they just really fucking hate some things and will grasp at straws to help justify their beliefs. Wonder if there is any cognitive dissonance amongst these people. | ||
SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
On March 13 2011 19:49 guN-viCe wrote: Pearl Harbor: 2,403 deaths Atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki: 90,000–166,000 killed in Hiroshima 60,000–80,000 killed in Nagasaki Yay for ignorance ! I actually don't get why people like comparing these events either; shouldn't we be counting something like total civilian deaths? Yeah I know these are big events, but it doesn't mean that they made up the entire war. | ||
fush
Canada563 Posts
On March 13 2011 17:52 Zerokaiser wrote: This is what happens in a country that's ruled by horrible media and nationalism. Goad Japan into attacking. Drop 2 nuclear bombs on civilian targets in Japan. Tell Japan "they had it coming" when an earthquake kills tens of thousands of innocent people over half a century later. EDIT: There's gonna' be a lot of comments about "There will always be idiots that you need to ignore." I know this doesn't apply to the majority, that's not what I'm saying...but let's be honest, there's a disproportionately high amount of shit frothing from American mouths. It's tough to believe that such a developed country can be raising so many ridiculous people considering corporate interest and nationalism has only really taken hold since WW2. Mr. Americans in this thread, what is it that keeps you in the States? Is it family, friends, finance? are you serious? this makes me sad coming from a fellow canadian, but don't you think people generalizing americans as a whole over a few idiotic posters on facebook aren't much better than the people they're ridiculing? why don't you take a stat about the number of american sympathetic posts over this and compare to the number who say shit like this before making your grand conclusion? i'd say the sheep who flock to a bandwagon of anti-americanism is pretty much exactly the same phenomenon that causes these idiots to post what they did about pearl harbor, is it not? On March 13 2011 19:41 Roe wrote: wait I thought China was the one to attack pearl harbour? Why have people been telling me that in WoW trade chat all this time... Well OP, I don't find this new at all. They're the same breed of human as the holocaust deniers, the anti-Semites, the KKK, the black panthers, neo-nazis, the list goes on. The only difference is we have some relative level of freedom of speech which allows these gremlins to come out of the woodwork background of national conversation. this is quite possibly worse than the stuff mentioned in the OP. LOL. | ||
Hans-Titan
Denmark1711 Posts
-_______________-;; Ignorance. EDIT: Found some of 'em, there were tons more though... | ||
Bergys
Sweden337 Posts
On March 13 2011 21:51 fush wrote: are you serious? this makes me sad coming from a fellow canadian, but don't you think people generalizing americans as a whole over a few idiotic posters on facebook aren't much better than the people they're ridiculing? why don't you take a stat about the number of american sympathetic posts over this and compare to the number who say shit like this before making your grand conclusion? i'd say the sheep who flock to a bandwagon of anti-americanism is pretty much exactly the same phenomenon that causes these idiots to post what they did about pearl harbor, is it not? The fact like places like that even exists raises them above average on the idiot-scale lol. | ||
29 fps
United States5717 Posts
ignorance persists, no matter what we do. it's inevitable. | ||
Sermokala
United States13545 Posts
there are rednecks your problem? I bet we could find some pretty horrible people from all our countries but we don't base how we perceive your countries on them. | ||
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Chef
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People are dying in Japan. There's massive structural damage. That is of course a bad thing. Let's just not get to moralistic about it and know it for what it is. It's not okay to deny people the right to feel bad about it, but I wouldn't feel too proud of feeling sick because of it either. Human suffering is not a pleasant thing to think about, but it's also a constant in our world. | ||
Torenhire
United States11681 Posts
On March 13 2011 21:51 fush wrote: are you serious? this makes me sad coming from a fellow canadian, but don't you think people generalizing americans as a whole over a few idiotic posters on facebook aren't much better than the people they're ridiculing? why don't you take a stat about the number of american sympathetic posts over this and compare to the number who say shit like this before making your grand conclusion? Agreed. While I think that a lot of the American public is pretty damn stupid for their own special reasons, you can't take...what....30 some odd FB posts about "lolol pearl harbor lolol" as any significant "shit coming from American mouths" Do you judge our country based on Westboro Baptist? No, you don't...and if you do, then you're just as bad as these people going "karma bitches!" Trust me, there's always going to be stupid shit coming from the American people no matter what the incident is. I'm sure there's people in Canada that say stupid shit about certain things all the time too. What is it that keeps us in the States? It's our home? What's the most frustrating thing ever is when something dumb shows up in the States, it seems like people are quick to judge the country on it, just because it's in the news or whatever. We're not a big bad terrible country full of uneducated degenerates. Don't take the outrageous stuff that happens on the internet and apply it to us. | ||
InFdude
Bulgaria619 Posts
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Vaeila
Netherlands336 Posts
"What will the punishment for USA be for Hiroshima and Nagasaki?" This is the only thing I have to say to the people that think like those in that image. | ||
Kukaracha
France1954 Posts
9/11 was a chilean payback for the 9/11 coup on Salvador Allende. Take that, fat retards! And I don't agree with Torenhire, I've been to the States and it has an amazing ratio of people who are rich but completely illogical and ignorant. It's amazing! I mean I've been through Europe, and most higher classes have a certain understanding... but this doesn't apply to the US, somehow. I mean Ronald Reagan was a frigging actor and TV anchor! It's like the UK electing Sean Connery as their prime minister... User was warned for this post | ||
Torenhire
United States11681 Posts
On March 14 2011 00:51 Kukaracha wrote: Meh, what about this: 9/11 was a chilean payback for the 9/11 coup on Salvador Allende. Take that, fat retards! And I don't agree with Torenhire, I've been to the States and it has an amazing ratio of people who are rich but completely illogical and ignorant. It's amazing! I mean I've been through Europe, and most higher classes have a certain understanding... but this doesn't apply to the US, somehow. I mean Ronald Reagan was a frigging actor and TV anchor! It's like the UK electing Sean Connery as their prime minister... Dude, you mind as well have made this post on Facebook and gotten added into the OP. When you came to the States, what were they "illogical and ignorant" about? | ||
IamBach
United States1059 Posts
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OverZero
United States271 Posts
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Bibdy
United States3481 Posts
The worst part, judging from the pictures, is not a single one of them was there, or even knew anyone that was lost in the event. | ||
tonight
United States11130 Posts
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VarmVaffel
Norway378 Posts
Then again, you should try to not rage over comments on the internet. I can probably sit 24/7 and gather comments from various internet forums (of facebook for that matter) that you will rage about. | ||
SgtSquiglz
United States668 Posts
Just absolutely embarrassing. | ||
fush
Canada563 Posts
On March 13 2011 23:30 Bergys wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrTWJo7a9l0 The fact like places like that even exists raises them above average on the idiot-scale lol. then it seems you are beyond saving. keep telling yourself that you're smarter than those guys in that video. | ||
Slaughter
United States20250 Posts
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Itachii
Poland12466 Posts
And unfortunately, they are found everywhere. | ||
Epicfailguy
Norway893 Posts
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FakePlasticLove
United States357 Posts
If Japan has to feel bad about a war crime, Pearl Harbor definitely ain't it. | ||
awkwardZone
United States17 Posts
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Torenhire
United States11681 Posts
On March 14 2011 01:51 FakePlasticLove wrote: Would this be more acceptable if it was by a Korean or a Chinese? (I know tons of Koreans and netizens who are glad it's Japan) If Japan has to feel bad about a war crime, Pearl Harbor definitely ain't it. I don't think anyone here is trying to justify it. I wasn't trying to justify it with my post, either, I was just saying that you can't base a country on a vocal group of people. People that post things like this on facebook or anything similar aren't what the US is about. Japan has nothing to feel bad about, nor does the US (imo)...shit happens and what was done is done. It was in the 1940s for crying out loud, we can't go back in time and undo Pearl Harbor. We can't undo dropping the bombs. People have no reason to even correlate the Earthquake to Pearl Harbor, they're just being idiots. If you're going to let your thoughts of people you don't even know be decided by people's stupid postings on Facebook, you're making a mistake. | ||
CapnAmerica
United States508 Posts
I don't get how people can expect others to be familiar with world history in detail when they don't even know how to divide properly and efficiently by their junior years in high school. I don't understand how you can say that a country is inept because the children of Cletus in the mountains or the over-privileged and under-intelligent in Beverly Hills act that way. The thing is, people do disgustingly stupid things all the time, regardless of race or nationality or religion. Nobody is perfect and lots of people are ignorant. You just have to get used to that -- even you fall under that blanket. edit: For clarification, I see nothing wrong with making light of disastrous events, because sometimes the best way to accept the way that you live and the world you live in (with all of its uncertainty) is to appreciate the fact that there are things you can't change and that you must live with. | ||
FakePlasticLove
United States357 Posts
On March 14 2011 01:56 Torenhire wrote: I don't think anyone here is trying to justify it. I wasn't trying to justify it with my post, either, I was just saying that you can't base a country on a vocal group of people. People that post things like this on facebook or anything similar aren't what the US is about. Japan has nothing to feel bad about, nor does the US (imo)...shit happens and what was done is done. It was in the 1940s for crying out loud, we can't go back in time and undo Pearl Harbor. We can't undo dropping the bombs. People have no reason to even correlate the Earthquake to Pearl Harbor, they're just being idiots. If you're going to let your thoughts of people you don't even know be decided by people's stupid postings on Facebook, you're making a mistake. You serious? You make it sound like the 40's were centuries ago. So I'm guessing stuff like genocides in Darfur will just "ease" into history in few years? OF COURSE Japan should feel bad about this And they DO feel bad. Japanese government has expressed remorse/regret and released (half-assed) apologies Who are you to say they have nothing to feel bad about? That's a HUGE middle finger to anyone with a relative who suffered terribly by the Japanese war atrocities. Same thing for U.S. It should feel bad about committing the worst war crime in history | ||
CapnAmerica
United States508 Posts
You can't look at WWII through the lens of modern day knowledge any more than you can state that "it's OK" that someone got nuked. This isn't StarCraft -- nukes don't do partial damage to buildings, they kill everything. Sure, people are idiots and say stupid things, but the truth is that history is history. People in this day and age won't understand the decades that our parents and grandparents have lived before us because they can't. They weren't there. Nothing "makes up" for something else in war. Nuclear weaponry being used against major Japanese cities does not just magically equalize everything and make events like Pearl Harbor or the countless island battles go away. Warfare does damage to everyone involved, there's no such thing as getting even, only losing. | ||
Epicfailguy
Norway893 Posts
I also like how America gave refuge to the sick fucks in control of that death camp. | ||
djcube
United States985 Posts
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Kukaracha
France1954 Posts
Kind of threatening someone to chop off his arm by... chopping off his arm. I don't know much about the previous tests, but it is likely that very few did know what were going to be the consequences. | ||
nanashin
United States1584 Posts
On March 13 2011 23:24 Hans-Titan wrote: + Show Spoiler + There were a bunch of these as well after the earthquake in Haiti, where people asked 'why are we helping Haiti, noone helped us after Katrina!' -_______________-;; Ignorance. EDIT: Found some of 'em, there were tons more though... It's so classy that Katrina was brought up here and the original post. Japan and its companies sent us a few million in aid and supplies. Hell, a lot of countries sent aid and supplies, but, derp, our government sold the stuff for cash because we don't have a disaster relief infrastructure that could make use of all the goods. #1 bureaucracy. This facebook site is classy as fuck. | ||
mizU
United States12125 Posts
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Bajadulce
United States322 Posts
1) it didn't look like Japan would surrender under any normal circumstances. 2) Their cities were being destroyed by firebombing with thousands dying and yet the Military would not give in. 3) They were given warning to the first bomb but refused to give in without keeping control of parts of China that they still occupied. 4) After Heroshima, they were again given a chance to surrender and they did not. 5) Even after Nagasaki, the military high council refused to surrender and had to be ordered by the Emperor. 6) Debatable, but more civilians would have died had there been an invasion or continued firebombing. Nobody wants their homeland invaded and if it is, then civilians will fight to the death regardless of the odds or how poorly armed they are. In fact citizens actually committed suicide as Americans took Okinawa. 7) No question, American military lives were sparred by the thousands as a result of the bombing. And in wartime, nations become desensitized and saving your own ppl become high priorities even at the cost of innocent lives of the enemy. It sucks we will always have to live with the fact we are the only ones in history to use an atomic bomb and hopefully it remains that way. 1945 wasn't that long ago, but the effects will last a long time. It still hurts for both parties involved and will take centuries to heal, but I for one am very concerned for our friends the Japanese in this time of crisis. This bullshit about retribution for pearl harbor is a total lack of respect for those that had to fight these wars for both sides and pretty much sums up why I tend to avoid "mainstream" social network places such as facebook like the plague. Too frustrating. | ||
iSometric
2221 Posts
I am Chinese, so I do dislike the Japanese to a large extent to what they did. | ||
wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On March 13 2011 17:52 Zerokaiser wrote: This is what happens in a country that's ruled by horrible media and nationalism. Goad Japan into attacking. Drop 2 nuclear bombs on civilian targets in Japan. Tell Japan "they had it coming" when an earthquake kills tens of thousands of innocent people over half a century later. EDIT: There's gonna' be a lot of comments about "There will always be idiots that you need to ignore." I know this doesn't apply to the majority, that's not what I'm saying...but let's be honest, there's a disproportionately high amount of shit frothing from American mouths. It's tough to believe that such a developed country can be raising so many ridiculous people considering corporate interest and nationalism has only really taken hold since WW2. Mr. Americans in this thread, what is it that keeps you in the States? Is it family, friends, finance? I agree with everything in this post except for the "goad Japan into attacking" part. That part is debatable, and IMO, false. | ||
nanashin
United States1584 Posts
On March 14 2011 09:06 wherebugsgo wrote: I agree with everything in this post except for the "goad Japan into attacking" part. That part is debatable, and IMO, false. Denying a military power oil is an act of terrorism, bro. | ||
sc2lime
Canada513 Posts
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krzych113
United Kingdom547 Posts
I mean like, really wtf ? not to say that US had their WTC attacks, hurricane Katrina, etc, and what in their thinking those suppose to be? a response for Hiroshima ? lol, I can't even say, why the hell someone did a picture of smth like that, its a shame for other people in the US. Especially that this comments were made probably by random people, and which are probably like 5 - 10 % people in there ( I Hope ). | ||
XDawn
Canada4040 Posts
But we can't really say because maybe they have gone through those. . 'times' and we haven't. We don't know what it's like at all. Tho. . . Very recently, a grand pastor in one of Korea's biggest churches stated that this happened to the Japanese because they didn't believe in God. It's caused a huge stir and he's being bombed with a lot of shit atm. | ||
419
Russian Federation3631 Posts
Just another one of the charms of TL. Luckily its generated rhetorical gems such as: America [goaded] Japan into attacking. Denying a military power oil is an act of terrorism, bro. Mr. Americans in this thread, what is it that keeps you in the States? I would like to state the obvious: that a small percentage of dumb yahoos does not uniformly represent an entire population, that dumb yahoo-ness is not an affliction restricted to the American condition, and that morality isn't as clear-cut in times of war as it is in the university lecture hall. (For the moral equivalence crowd: check out the terms "Nanking occuption" and what the Germans did to Russian civilians as they invaded, and vice versa. Its quite a bit worse than the admitted injustice of the American internment camps...) Oh, and I can point you to several international forums in which equally tasteless/stupid comments ( (compared to the facebook stuff) are being made about the tsunami. Feel free to take me up on this offer. There's a trend here, actually. Its almost like the impersonality of the internet gives people the idea that they have free license to spout whatever shit they want... PS How do you know these people aren't trolling? | ||
Kukaracha
France1954 Posts
Cliches are there for a reason! Not saying that Americans are stupid in general, but there's a certain population that's rich enough to obtain a good education and who don't, and that's what so special. It's not what you would expect from such abundance and power. | ||
419
Russian Federation3631 Posts
Cliches are there for a reason! The problem with that statement is you can use that to circularly justify evidence-unsupported prejudices...(e.g. X group is intrinsically dumb/lazy/uneducated -- well, I wouldn't think that if they weren't that that way, would I?) Wait a second... (PPS -- the spread of internet instant communication has not necessarily increased stupidity. It just made it more visible. Back in the days of the Pony Express, only John Doe Douchebag's immediate neighborhood would know he was an idiot. Now he can twitter and demonstrate that fact to the entire world. I suspect that Americans are statistically more likely to have twitter/facebook than residents of other countries...) | ||
Zergneedsfood
United States10671 Posts
That's so awful and insensitive. | ||
fush
Canada563 Posts
On March 14 2011 10:04 Kukaracha wrote: Again, I've been in the US and I've noticed an unusual trend of wealthy ignorants. Something quite unusual that created the whole cliche of the "dumb American". Cliches are there for a reason! Not saying that Americans are stupid in general, but there's a certain population that's rich enough to obtain a good education and who don't, and that's what so special. It's not what you would expect from such abundance and power. maybe you just think too highly of yourself. | ||
fush
Canada563 Posts
On March 14 2011 10:10 419 wrote: The problem with that statement is you can use that to circularly justify evidence-unsupported prejudices...(e.g. X group is intrinsically dumb/lazy/uneducated -- well, I wouldn't think that if they weren't that that way, would I?) Wait a second... (PPS -- the spread of internet instant communication has not necessarily increased stupidity. It just made it more visible. Back in the days of the Pony Express, only John Doe Douchebag's immediate neighborhood would know he was an idiot. Now he can twitter it and demonstrate that fact to the entire world.) well, that's one way of looking at it. the other is that there are thousands more who jump on the bandwagon and suddenly the word of the mob dominates all reason. case in point, sudden anti-americanism in this thread. | ||
Comeh
United States18918 Posts
We are just the one that has the most publicity behind it. | ||
punchabird
United States32 Posts
Though the opinions of these people are obviously incredibly ignorant, just try to remember people that this isn't the opinion of every single individual in the United States. Personally I'm glad my home hasn't been hit with an earthquake yet (I live in California), and from the looks of the situation the Japanese are pretty screwed right now. Let's try to dispel those notions of bigotry. | ||
slipperymess
14 Posts
Pray for Japan. Hope they recover. | ||
Z3kk
4099 Posts
On March 14 2011 10:23 Comeh wrote: Eh, every country has ignorant idiots spouting bullshit all over the place. We are just the one that has the most publicity behind it. There are also generally more of us as a whole, and more of us have access to media that share our opinions, so more of said idiots are heard... | ||
hypercube
Hungary2735 Posts
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Zergneedsfood
United States10671 Posts
And it's even magnified in America, the country that likes to champion human rights and justice and ironically has the most amount of people who fail to respect those same values. | ||
Tzel
United States72 Posts
Nuclear Bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki: ~150,000 - 226,000 Total of roughly 690,000 people killed, the majority civilians. Pearl Harbor death toll: 2,350 killed, with sixty-eight civilians. (figures were pulled from wikipedia, so fingers crossed about this being accurate) That's right America, a national disaster was God's divine punishment for us losing three people for every thousand that Japan lost in these one-sided attacks. This is why I'm moving to a different country. | ||
itzme_petey
United States1400 Posts
These special breed of americans arent special. They are called hypocrites, assholes or dumbfucks. They can be found in any country. Welcome to the world of stupid people. | ||
Sm3agol
United States2055 Posts
Really good post? Really? Lets see. Goad Japan into attacking . Yeah, what were we thinking. They were only farking raping our ally, China, figuratively and literally. And then us taunting them, and telling them we were untouchable, and daring them to hit us. Oh wait, nvm, that last part never happened. Whatever the fark you want to say abut Pearl Harbor.......placing the blame on the US instead of Japan for such an act is just ludicrous. They surprise attacked our navy without a declaration of war, and it's our fault. Nice. Wtf kind of history do you read? Oh, right, the "History Revisited: Everything the US Did Is an Affront to Mankind" version. P.S. That's no more accurate than the "History: America F&^$ YEAH!!" version. Drop 2 nuclear bombs on civilian targets in Japan. Or the alternative of: A. Starving the country to death with a blockade. B. Invading and killing millions more civilians, not to mention completely devastating their entire country. Oh yeah, and we lose tens of thousands of our own men to boot. C. Firebombing their entire country. Maybe you forget we were, you know, AT WAR? And not only were they not close to surrendering, they were basically sending civilians up in 20 year old planes with instructions to dive them into our warships. If we were to invade, the Japanese had plans to banzai charge us at the beaches with millions of civilians armed with spears. And yet......we're the barbaric enemies of society because we instead ended the war by blowing up a couple square miles of two cities. There is logical debate as to whether the second was really necessary, but it's not like they had approached us to surrender yet. You people baffle me sometimes. Tell Japan "they had it coming" when an earthquake kills tens of thousands of innocent people over half a century later. Yeah, you're right, everyone in America is calling it the Japanese's fault, and karma. I haven't met a single person who has said anything remotely close, and I know some real mouth-breathers. For all you know this crap is made up, or just 4chan trolls. At worst......breaking news, people are idiots. And idiots with access to the internet merely make their idiocy known worldwide. I know this doesn't apply to the majority, that's not what I'm saying...but let's be honest, there's a disproportionately high amount of shit frothing from American mouths. It's tough to believe that such a developed country can be raising so many ridiculous people considering corporate interest and nationalism has only really taken hold since WW2. Mr. Americans in this thread, what is it that keeps you in the States? Is it family, friends, finance? The "problem" in America is that even the most complete mouth-breathing retards have easy access to technology and things like Facebook. It doesn't mean there aren't complete idiots everywhere, it's just that the idiots over here have easier access to the rest of the world than most countries. And I stay in America because........it's still one of the best places to live on earth? No, you're right, I'm going to move away from all my friends, family, job, and life as I know it because some guy read something on the internet about atomic bombs this one time, and likes to think he's smart. | ||
Sm3agol
United States2055 Posts
On March 14 2011 11:37 Tzel wrote: Fire bombing of 67 Japanese Cities: ~500,000 total (plus 5 million left homeless) Nuclear Bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki: ~150,000 - 226,000 Total of roughly 690,000 people killed, the majority civilians. Pearl Harbor death toll: 2,350 killed, with sixty-eight civilians. (figures were pulled from wikipedia, so fingers crossed about this being accurate) That's right America, a national disaster was God's divine punishment for us losing three people for every thousand that Japan lost in these one-sided attacks. This is why I'm moving to a different country. Good farking riddance. You are the exact kind of biased person we don't need. Comparing those two things shows exactly zero understanding of history. But who the heck cares about facts and history? Better listen to US haters on the internet. Much better source of information. You're just as bad as the people you say you hate. | ||
Tzel
United States72 Posts
On March 14 2011 12:15 Sm3agol wrote: Good farking riddance. You are the exact kind of biased person we don't need. Comparing those two things shows exactly zero understanding of history. But who the heck cares about facts and history? Better listen to US haters on the internet. Much better source of information. You're just as bad as the people you say you hate. So yeah, Pearl Harbor was an unjustified attack on the USA, which had decided to be neutral in the war at that point. I know that. We went to war, killed tons of people, lost tons of people. I compared them because the USA killed over half a million people, the majority civilians, in a way that the Japanese could not directly counter, similar to the way that we could not muster enough forces to defend Pearl Harbor. Please elaborate on why you find that biased and inaccurate. Just saying it is doesn't help me change my views that you hate so much, so what was the point of you posting that if you don't explain why? | ||
CanucksJC
Canada1241 Posts
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Cider
United States198 Posts
On March 14 2011 12:37 Tzel wrote: So yeah, Pearl Harbor was an unjustified attack on the USA, which had decided to be neutral in the war at that point. I know that. We went to war, killed tons of people, lost tons of people. I compared them because the USA killed over half a million people, the majority civilians, in a way that the Japanese could not directly counter, similar to the way that we could not muster enough forces to defend Pearl Harbor. Please elaborate on why you find that biased and inaccurate. Just saying it is doesn't help me change my views that you hate so much, so what was the point of you posting that if you don't explain why? What is your definition of neutral that leads you to believe that the US was neutral in WWII leading up to Pearl Harbor? | ||
shinosai
United States1577 Posts
On March 14 2011 13:36 Cider wrote: What is your definition of neutral that leads you to believe that the US was neutral in WWII leading up to Pearl Harbor? I guess you could say that trading arms to its allies wasn't very neutral, but the US was neutral in the sense that they were not participating in the war. US had quite a strong stance on neutrality, actually, and was not planning on entering the battlefield until the attack on Pearl Harbor. | ||
The_LiNk
Canada863 Posts
Upon reading some of the comments I thought of that event. What's this thing about karma? Japan has a significant number of Hindus? | ||
Newbistic
China2912 Posts
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Alexson
Belarus293 Posts
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shawster
Canada2485 Posts
you have korea/chinese/americans spewing shit as well, so don't point it on americans. it's just sad people can't come to a logical conclusion and don't have a brain. it's multicultural up here so if one person said anything like that they'll get fucked up. | ||
fenixdown
Colombia320 Posts
And the people saying that Korea or China have "more" reasons to hate Japan, STFU, there is no reasons to justify such an horrible disaster like what hit Japan. | ||
Sm3agol
United States2055 Posts
On March 14 2011 12:37 Tzel wrote: So yeah, Pearl Harbor was an unjustified attack on the USA, which had decided to be neutral in the war at that point. I know that. We went to war, killed tons of people, lost tons of people. I compared them because the USA killed over half a million people, the majority civilians, in a way that the Japanese could not directly counter, similar to the way that we could not muster enough forces to defend Pearl Harbor. Please elaborate on why you find that biased and inaccurate. Just saying it is doesn't help me change my views that you hate so much, so what was the point of you posting that if you don't explain why? This isn't SC. Just because "they can't counter it" doesn't mean that it's cheap and lame, and that we shouldn't have bombed them. We were in an all-out war with japan, and despite us brutally kicking their butt all over the Pacific by that point in the war, they still refused to surrender, and were still mounting counter-attacks. They hadn't given up, and were still fighting everywhere. If anything, they were the inhumane idiots for continuing a war they hadn't even the slightest hope of winning. Their own leaders and code of honor got millions of their own people killed because they refused to surrender when they knew they were hopelessly beaten. Japan should have surrendered after Midway or Guadacanal. At that point in the war, there was no coming back. They lost whatever advantage they gained at Pearl Harbor, and there was no way they were going to compete with the US war machine in the long run. If we had not bombed Japan's civilian infrastructure, there is no telling how much longer the war would have carried on, and the only guaranteed fact was that not bombing them would not have saved any Japanese lives, and would only have costed the US thousands more in casualties. To put it in a wierdly fitting SC2 setting. The US was the Terran up 10 bases to the Japanese zergs 1. The US is on Tier 5, and the Japanese have been blasted back to tier 2. The US has 500 marines, 10 BCs, 10 banshees, 20 tanks, and 5 ghosts. The Japanese have 100 banelings, zero anti-air, zero detection, and no production, just 60 idle drones and a hatch. What would you do? First of all, the Japanese should have gg'ed about 5 minutes ago. But if they refuse.....what would you do? Attack with the marines or attack with the banshees and BCs? The end result to the Japanese people would have been the same.....the only difference is one way gets thousands of your own soldiers killed, while the other does not. The reason you can't compare Pearl Harbor and the US bombing of Japan was that Pearl Harbor was an attempt at a 1 shot kill of the US. It was the only way possible to try and start the war on a somewhat even footing for the Japanese. They almost succeeded. Directly attacking civilians would have had zero effect on the American war machine, and would have been a waste of resources. The US bombing of Japan was an attempt to end the war without physically invading Japan. I'll restate. Not bombing Japan(nukes, firebombs, etc) would not have saved Japanese lives or cities. It would only have resulted in thousands of additional US deaths as well as MORE destruction of Japanese infrastructure and more civilian casualties to the more indirect side of war, not to mention the Japanese plans to arm thousands of civilians with bamboo spears and banzai charge the US on the beach. The only ones at fault for the US bombing of Japan were the Japanese leaders for not ending the war sooner. It was painfully obvious after the late-war battles of Leyte Gulf and Iwo Jima that the US could never lose to Japan, and carrying on the war would have zero effect on the war's outcome. And yet the Japanese fought on for another year and a half. Heck, even AFTER the two atomic bombs were dropped on Japan, there was a threat of a military coupe overthrowing the Japanese government which was considering surrender and forcing the war to go on even longer. So I'll ask again. Why was it the US' fault for bombing Japan? Do you really just not know anything about the war, and just listen to random internet haters and random Wiki facts and form your opinions about an entire country from it? Really? Because you're obviously so much smarter and have so much more knowledge than people like MacAurthur and Truman. Do you honestly think the US believed it could have ended the war sooner with less casualties, and yet refused to do so? | ||
Tzel
United States72 Posts
On March 14 2011 21:43 Sm3agol wrote: This isn't SC. Just because "they can't counter it" doesn't mean that it's cheap and lame, and that we shouldn't have bombed them. We were in an all-out war with japan, and despite us brutally kicking their butt all over the Pacific by that point in the war, they still refused to surrender, and were still mounting counter-attacks. They hadn't given up, and were still fighting everywhere. If anything, they were the inhumane idiots for continuing a war they hadn't even the slightest hope of winning. Their own leaders and code of honor got millions of their own people killed because they refused to surrender when they knew they were hopelessly beaten. Japan should have surrendered after Midway or Guadacanal. At that point in the war, there was no coming back. They lost whatever advantage they gained at Pearl Harbor, and there was no way they were going to compete with the US war machine in the long run. If we had not bombed Japan's civilian infrastructure, there is no telling how much longer the war would have carried on, and the only guaranteed fact was that not bombing them would not have saved any Japanese lives, and would only have costed the US thousands more in casualties. To put it in a wierdly fitting SC2 setting. The US was the Terran up 10 bases to the Japanese zergs 1. The US is on Tier 5, and the Japanese have been blasted back to tier 2. The US has 500 marines, 10 BCs, 10 banshees, 20 tanks, and 5 ghosts. The Japanese have 100 banelings, zero anti-air, zero detection, and no production, just 60 idle drones and a hatch. What would you do? First of all, the Japanese should have gg'ed about 5 minutes ago. But if they refuse.....what would you do? Attack with the marines or attack with the banshees and BCs? The end result to the Japanese people would have been the same.....the only difference is one way gets thousands of your own soldiers killed, while the other does not. The reason you can't compare Pearl Harbor and the US bombing of Japan was that Pearl Harbor was an attempt at a 1 shot kill of the US. It was the only way possible to try and start the war on a somewhat even footing for the Japanese. They almost succeeded. Directly attacking civilians would have had zero effect on the American war machine, and would have been a waste of resources. The US bombing of Japan was an attempt to end the war without physically invading Japan. I'll restate. Not bombing Japan(nukes, firebombs, etc) would not have saved Japanese lives or cities. It would only have resulted in thousands of additional US deaths as well as MORE destruction of Japanese infrastructure and more civilian casualties to the more indirect side of war, not to mention the Japanese plans to arm thousands of civilians with bamboo spears and banzai charge the US on the beach. The only ones at fault for the US bombing of Japan were the Japanese leaders for not ending the war sooner. It was painfully obvious after the late-war battles of Leyte Gulf and Iwo Jima that the US could never lose to Japan, and carrying on the war would have zero effect on the war's outcome. And yet the Japanese fought on for another year and a half. Heck, even AFTER the two atomic bombs were dropped on Japan, there was a threat of a military coupe overthrowing the Japanese government which was considering surrender and forcing the war to go on even longer. So I'll ask again. Why was it the US' fault for bombing Japan? Do you really just not know anything about the war, and just listen to random internet haters and random Wiki facts and form your opinions about an entire country from it? Really? Because you're obviously so much smarter and have so much more knowledge than people like MacAurthur and Truman. Do you honestly think the US believed it could have ended the war sooner with less casualties, and yet refused to do so? Ah... I think we have had a misunderstanding. I wasn't trying to say that it's the US' fault for bombing Japan. I'm not trying to say I would've made a better decision in Truman's shoes. I wouldn't've. I'm not trying to say that the US is horrible because of what they did during a state of war in which they did not even strike first. I'm not saying their choices were ill-thought. I was trying to show my disgust that people would actually say that a natural disaster was retribution for Pearl Harbor, when far more casualties occurred in other events in the same time period. Saying a tsunami was a comeback for the events of Pearl Harbor would mean that the US should be expecting an apocalypse, as well as countless other countries - the entire world has a blood-filled history, so why aren't we all dead for the atrocities we've committed, since this earthquake and tsunami were retribution for such a (relatively) small amount of casualties? Obviously I did that poorly, and for that I apologize for any offense I have caused. I'll be more careful with my wording in the future. | ||
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