A Polemical Diablo 3 Review - Page 10
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MightyAtom
Korea (South)1897 Posts
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NKexquisite
United States911 Posts
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Lobotomist
United States1541 Posts
Diablo has tits - I haven't seen anyone complain specifically about this, but seriously, what the hell. SRSLY. What's with that man. He could have just stayed looking like Diablo instead of "raw I'm all the evils and Andariel had tits so SO DO I" Act 3 is better anyway.I like the game so far, but inferno is sooo broken and shielding molten frozen waller damage reflect arcane vortex teleport extra fast plague elite mobs are so lame. huehuehuehue And also rhis. | ||
goiflin
Canada1217 Posts
On May 24 2012 11:58 Epishade wrote: I also disagree with your post about customization in D2 vs D3, and how you think that there is only 1 or so viable builds for a hell-built character; that every one was just a cookie-cutter build no different from everyone else. Idk how you can say this is any different than D3. You are restricted even less in D3 because the majority of the skills on the characters suck on hell and inferno mode. You are absolutely pidgeon-holed into a single build that everybody HAS to use because nothing else works. Demon Hunter has to rely on their smokescreen + preparation to survive in inferno (but that got nerfed anyways). Wizard had something too but idk what it was, just that it got nerfed as well. Hell, there aren't even any viable builds for the Barbarian on D3 in inferno mode. In D2, I realize that some of the skills weren't optimal to invest in, but there are even less ones in Diablo 3. Idk how you can say "If you have 1000 choices and 999 of them are bad, that is not customization." only applies to Diablo 2, when it certainly (and even more so imo) applies to Diablo 3. So basically, you're saying that everyone was using cookie cutters in D2 and that they weren't the only viable builds, but D3 has no variety in viable builds for inferno. But the game has literally been out for 9 days and there's a large chance nobody knows exactly what works best yet, and the game is going to recieve patches to change stuff like D2 did (corpse explosion nerf, anyone?) And you can't use any skill you want in hell in D2, just like in D3, so I'm not sure why you're bringing that up. A meteor sorc can't go through the game only using fireball, even if she maxes it for meteor. It's just not going to deal enough damage in hell to kill stuff effectively. Just like you can't go through as a CE necro anymore. And as for the number of viable skills; those will change with patches. | ||
Leopoldshark
United States176 Posts
That being said, the story is not the main selling point of Diablo 3. Diablo 3 is a hack and slash and it looks like it does that well. Maybe it was from my time in Diablo 2 or maybe it was my time in WoW, but I can't really tolerate grindy games anymore. If I want to kill lots of things, I can just load up D2 again and play to my hearts content without paying 60 bucks for a new game to do that. I may pick it up down the road but not at full price. I still agree with a lot of your points. I don't know why people have so many expectations for a hack and slash game. Just sit back and kill lots of things. Maybe you'll get phat lootz. That's why a lot of people love Diablo. | ||
firehand101
Australia3152 Posts
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Mindcrime
United States6899 Posts
On May 24 2012 17:17 goiflin wrote: So basically, you're saying that everyone was using cookie cutters in D2 and that they weren't the only viable builds, but D3 has no variety in viable builds for inferno. But the game has literally been out for 9 days and there's a large chance nobody knows exactly what works best yet, and the game is going to recieve patches to change stuff like D2 did (corpse explosion nerf, anyone?) And you can't use any skill you want in hell in D2, just like in D3, so I'm not sure why you're bringing that up. A meteor sorc can't go through the game only using fireball, even if she maxes it for meteor. It's just not going to deal enough damage in hell to kill stuff effectively. Just like you can't go through as a CE necro anymore. And as for the number of viable skills; those will change with patches. wait, what? Are you seriously referring to the nerf that happened way back in 1.03? CE is and has always been incredibly strong, but you've never been able to use only CE; you need some way to generate a corpse. | ||
leo23
United States3075 Posts
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CryMore
United States497 Posts
While the main story sucked, if you explore and read all the little tidbits hidden around the areas, there is a great amount of easter eggs and side stories scattered. You can also find out some of the aftermath of the heroes from diablo 2 . One thing I hate is the goddamn rubber banding. This is the worst part of the game and it the one thinking making it near unplayable for me at times. I don't mind the over-the-top difficulty in inferno, or the cheap insta deaths from rare mobs, but when they take skill out of the game, and there's a random chance that I might lag and not dodge a mortar, then fuck them. Seriously, 250MS ping is NOT green latency, what is wrong with you? | ||
Epishade
United States2267 Posts
On May 24 2012 17:17 goiflin wrote: So basically, you're saying that everyone was using cookie cutters in D2 and that they weren't the only viable builds, but D3 has no variety in viable builds for inferno. But the game has literally been out for 9 days and there's a large chance nobody knows exactly what works best yet, and the game is going to recieve patches to change stuff like D2 did (corpse explosion nerf, anyone?) And you can't use any skill you want in hell in D2, just like in D3, so I'm not sure why you're bringing that up. A meteor sorc can't go through the game only using fireball, even if she maxes it for meteor. It's just not going to deal enough damage in hell to kill stuff effectively. Just like you can't go through as a CE necro anymore. And as for the number of viable skills; those will change with patches. Granted, the main reason for this is immunities, which D3 doesn't exactly have. But there are certainly builds like meteorb which, though won't kill as quickly as a specialist, will allow you to atleast kill monsters. To be clear here, I am comparing hell in diablo 2 to inferno in diablo 3, as those are both the two hardest difficulties. In inferno as it is right now (that might change but I doubt it), there are just about no viable original skill builds due to most of the skills being vastly inferior in Inferno than they were in the other difficulties. They don't scale up in damage at all and the entire game is completely gear dependant. Some people may like that, but I'd prefer to be able to hybrid/specialize my skills to actually original. As for your last point, I sure hope that they would patch the game to make the skills scale with difficulty or something. There are no reasons to have pets as a Witch Doctor, or any kind of companion (other than maybe a bat for hatred regen) as a Demon Hunter. Some of the skills in this game are just god awful, and I would hope that they do get changed. But I doubt Blizzard would do anything about it anytime soon. | ||
OneBaseKing
Afghanistan412 Posts
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JoeSchmoe
Canada2058 Posts
On May 21 2012 16:11 Gheed wrote: No, you're dumb. Who the fuck plays Diablo for the story? People play Diablo because they have an addictive personality type but are too poor to spend real money gambling, not because they care about the fictitious interplay between Heaven and Hell. Go read the Bible or the Apocrypha or something if you're interested in that shit. Diablo exists to give people who want to grind but don't want to pay a monthly fee something to do. Are you sure they're the ones who are dumb? Funny how you're indirectly insulting the guys at blizzard who poured hours of effort perfecting the story than the actual people who thought it was bad. | ||
solidbebe
Netherlands4921 Posts
On May 26 2012 09:37 JoeSchmoe wrote: Are you sure they're the ones who are dumb? Funny how you're indirectly insulting the guys at blizzard who poured hours of effort perfecting the story than the actual people who thought it was bad. It doesn't matter how much effort they put into it, if they did a bad job they deserve to be critisized for it. | ||
Steveling
Greece10806 Posts
On May 26 2012 20:04 solidbebe wrote: It doesn't matter how much effort they put into it, if they did a bad job they deserve to be critisized for it. Almost all games have bad story. Just Diablo and arpg's in general take the tryhard-emotional-scene-should-i-save-the-geth-or-quarians aspect out of it. If they wanted they could use some passable plot twists and make you more involved in the story. They don't. In my experience there's a phenomenal amount of people that couldn't know a good scenario if it hit them in the head. | ||
Myrkul
Croatia132 Posts
On May 21 2012 23:16 sc4k wrote: Yeah this is the biggest problem I have with Gheed's arguments. It's probably the dumbest and most un-diablo-fannish argument as well. WTF are you talking about Gheed, Diablo II's story, specifically its cutscenes, were some of the most EPIC and radically awesome experiences in my childhood. All the stuff involving the dark traveller, the guy who goes insane following him and Tyrael finding him in the mental asylum, Tal Rasha being imprisoned etc. Are you KIDDING me??? That stuff was pure godly story. Pretty much no game in history has had a BETTER story than Diablo 2. The argument that people didn't play Diablo because of the story is completely misplaced. Sure they may not have been enticed into playing for the first time because of the story, but surely MANY MANY stayed because of a) the story b) the atmosphere/ visuals c) the music. I find that most of the people who have problems with the story are just people who were kids back when diablo 2 came out(this includes me) and it left a big impression then because of how young they were. The same is true of 10 year old kids who are now playing diablo 3. In another 10 years they will also be probably nostalgic about diablo 3 and bash on diablo 4 or whatever. I am probably one of the rare ones who actually thoroughly enjoyed the story. The reason behind this being is that I was genuinely surprised at the events after the second act. While I was playing I was thinking: "Ok so there's Belial and Azmodan, Belial was at the end of the second act, so Azmodan will probably be at the end of the fourth, that is at the end of the game. You have your regular cheesy helpers, with some girl taking Cain's place and her mysterious*scofs* mother, and they are all about family values, missing their uncle/brother and insert simillar children-values-oriented bullshit. And the all of a sudden BAM!. This one is a traitor, the little girl who was promoted during the first half of the game as the ultimately goody2shoes is now suddenly just completely lost and dead and no mention of her anywhere in the game since? WTF??? It was like the equivalent of saying that Cain was actually Diablo all along or some shit. And the whole second part of the game has a completely different feel about it. No more *hush hush* mysterious demons and horadric scrolls and mages and whatnot, all of a sudden youre in a awesome looking heaven under attack by some serious fire spewing demons and you have the archangel of justice by your side. You managed to genuinely surprise me Blizzard, and I thank you for it | ||
Psychobabas
2531 Posts
On May 26 2012 22:12 Myrkul wrote: I find that most of the people who have problems with the story are just people who were kids back when diablo 2 came out(this includes me) and it left a big impression then because of how young they were. The same is true of 10 year old kids who are now playing diablo 3. In another 10 years they will also be probably nostalgic about diablo 3 and bash on diablo 4 or whatever. I am probably one of the rare ones who actually thoroughly enjoyed the story. The reason behind this being is that I was genuinely surprised at the events after the second act. While I was playing I was thinking: "Ok so there's Belial and Azmodan, Belial was at the end of the second act, so Azmodan will probably be at the end of the fourth, that is at the end of the game. You have your regular cheesy helpers, with some girl taking Cain's place and her mysterious*scofs* mother, and they are all about family values, missing their uncle/brother and insert simillar children-values-oriented bullshit. And the all of a sudden BAM!. This one is a traitor, the little girl who was promoted during the first half of the game as the ultimately goody2shoes is now suddenly just completely lost and dead and no mention of her anywhere in the game since? WTF??? It was like the equivalent of saying that Cain was actually Diablo all along or some shit. And the whole second part of the game has a completely different feel about it. No more *hush hush* mysterious demons and horadric scrolls and mages and whatnot, all of a sudden youre in a awesome looking heaven under attack by some serious fire spewing demons and you have the archangel of justice by your side. You managed to genuinely surprise me Blizzard, and I thank you for it Did you really get that surprised about Leah? I was very suspicious when in the Fields of Misery she says something like "I sometimes have outbursts of power, but cant control them" or something like that. I was pretty sure that something is up there, that either Diablo (since he is destined to make an appearance) or Asmodan are controlling her. | ||
Myrkul
Croatia132 Posts
On May 27 2012 08:57 Psychobabas wrote: Did you really get that surprised about Leah? I was very suspicious when in the Fields of Misery she says something like "I sometimes have outbursts of power, but cant control them" or something like that. I was pretty sure that something is up there, that either Diablo (since he is destined to make an appearance) or Asmodan are controlling her. Yeah I actually was. I thought she was just this some kind of unrealized potential, because of horadric or nephalem ancestry or whatever. I mean, she's like the main character in the game probalby, takes Cain's place, slowly developes her power, you walk by her side ad she's always talking about how she'll get her own Inn after this is finished, and how she misses her uncle, and how all of this is unreal, and then she just fucking up and dies and is never mentioned again? It seemed very.... unblizzard-like,and yes, that surprised the crap out of me. I was expecting that when you kill Azmodan and Belial, that maybe you'd have to kill Diablo's soul inside the soulstone or smth, but definetly not this lol. | ||
nweb
198 Posts
On May 24 2012 11:59 MightyAtom wrote: great write up from someone who really knows the game. appreciated reading it. You'd think that until you read him saying ES on Sorc in pvp is a "troll build" | ||
DRTnOOber
New Zealand476 Posts
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rawb
United States252 Posts
Saw this in general chat just now.. | ||
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