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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
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Cheren
United States2911 Posts
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GTPGlitch
5061 Posts
On December 14 2013 04:17 DiMano wrote: CJ was meant to be a dark horse (I mean like Atletico Madrid in Spain) who will win coz of well coached young players but when you expect too much from such thing it usually does not work. You put Samsung with the same situation on 6 place and CJ on 1. I have the following thoughts on this: Both has young players who are good online BurNinG - SonGDuri, Bong, Trust - eMotion, Trend Both has regular players: RorO - herO, Reality - EffOrt, Shine - Hydra Both has a young championship calibre player: Solar - Sora If Stork performs well then I say these teams are equal if not then CJ has a small advantage but not 5 places as written here. Also I would put MVP higher as their roster lineup seems better then IM and KT on paper. 1) Samsung doesn't have coach park 2) Both Songduri and Bong have performed offline previously 3) You forgot about Bunny, Bbyong (another offline performer) 4) Burning, emotion, Solar, and Trend have barely any games against koreans in recent history! Turn and Reality, consistently play against Koreans and get dominated. Shine is pretty good, a lot better than Roro's performance at least, which is pitiful.... Compare that with Bunny, herO, Hydra, Bbyong, and Effort's recent results, along with Sora if you go back to October.... I guess I just don't see how you can compare a team that has been silent for basically the entire offseason except for rookie-ish players that are beating foreigners online to a team that has Coach Park and been performing at offline and online events, with a lot more players facing tougher opposition... | ||
-niL
Canada1131 Posts
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19042 Posts
Secondly, should have put KT at #1 power rank. Give them that evil curse and burden to wear. It doesn't matter where you rank SKT. The humble kingdom will prevail. | ||
DiMano
Korea (South)2065 Posts
On December 14 2013 05:00 GTPGlitch wrote: 1) Samsung doesn't have coach park 2) Both Songduri and Bong have performed offline previously 3) You forgot about Bunny, Bbyong (another offline performer) 4) Burning, emotion, Solar, and Trend have barely any games against koreans in recent history! Turn and Reality, consistently play against Koreans and get dominated. Shine is pretty good, a lot better than Roro's performance at least, which is pitiful.... Compare that with Bunny, herO, Hydra, Bbyong, and Effort's recent results, along with Sora if you go back to October.... I guess I just don't see how you can compare a team that has been silent for basically the entire offseason except for rookie-ish players that are beating foreigners online to a team that has Coach Park and been performing at offline and online events, with a lot more players facing tougher opposition... If you go checking you will see that the only players that did well in qualifiries from CJ were Hydra and herO. You are right that CJ rookies are more experienced offline but the ZOTAC and Go4SC2 Cup regular final appearances and results like eMotion 2-3 vs jjakji and Trend 3-0 vs Nerchio can not be denied. Symbol and HyuN started the same way good in online then good in team league then individual league. 1) Samsung doesn't have coach park. They have coach Choi from MVP I am not sure so if he coaches them or LoL team. 3) You forgot about Bunny, Bbyong (another offline performer) I did not mention kOp and TurN from KHAN's side. "Turn and Reality, consistently play against Koreans and get dominated." Check before writting next time, Reality is in Code S. "a lot more players facing tougher opposition" it is wrong they face same opponents where CJ rookies and KHAN ones showed comparable results. I do not deny the fact that CJ is stronger on paper but the difference is very small. | ||
Karis Vas Ryaar
United States4396 Posts
On December 14 2013 00:56 Zealously wrote: Making Code S and sucking is more impressive than being awesome in Code A and still not cutting it right because everyone remembers Virus. good article. I don't know enough to disagree with anything. | ||
GTPGlitch
5061 Posts
On December 14 2013 05:39 DiMano wrote: If you go checking you will see that the only players that did well in qualifiries from CJ were Hydra and herO. You are right that CJ rookies are more experienced offline but the ZOTAC and Go4SC2 Cup regular final appearances and results like eMotion 2-3 vs jjakji and Trend 3-0 vs Nerchio can not be denied. Symbol and HyuN started the same way good in online then good in team league then individual league. 1) Samsung doesn't have coach park. They have coach Choi from MVP I am not sure so if he coaches them or LoL team. 3) You forgot about Bunny, Bbyong (another offline performer) I did not mention kOp and TurN from KHAN's side. "Turn and Reality, consistently play against Koreans and get dominated." Check before writting next time, Reality is in Code S. "a lot more players facing tougher opposition" it is wrong they face same opponents where CJ rookies and KHAN ones showed comparable results. I do not deny the fact that CJ is stronger on paper but the difference is very small. IDK about Choi so I can't reallly refute you there but I'm sorry, I can't let this go because it's not just a small difference or comparable results. KoP's biggest wins in the last 3 months: 2-0 Terminator, 2-1 Harrier.Turn's biggest win in the last three months: 2-0 TheStC - he lost 0-2 to both qxc and strelok for crying out loud. Reality is 4-8 in the last three months, with a 2-1 over pigbaby and 2-0 over bang as his only wins, while losing to VINES, Tassadar, Trust, and Paralyze. Compare to Bunny, who, at Singapore, 2-0'd Flash, Action, Fantasy, and Squirtle. Trust 2-0'd Curious, Lucky, and Check in RBBG qualifiers and 2-0'd Reality at IEM. Sora has been slightly inconsistent but still managed to 3-1 Parting at WCG as well as going through Bong, Impact, Bbyong, Heart, and Curious in the RBBG qualifiers. *sigh* just go compare the match histories on aligulac and see if that changes your mind at all. If it doesn't... idk what to tell you. Suffice to say the difference is not 'very small'. | ||
Bagration
United States18282 Posts
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Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
On December 14 2013 04:35 Shellshock wrote: No mention of Sniper in the MVP portion? joke power rank That's the joke. Regarding ranks 5-7, you can switch them around however you like. I can't tell them apart with any kind of confidence, and only put MVP in #7 because I feel like the inconsistency their players have suffered from for ages will hurt them more in Proleague (format) than it did in GSTL where all you really needed was one red-hot player on any given day. | ||
Fionn
United States23455 Posts
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Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
On December 14 2013 07:29 Fionn wrote: will monsters be unleashed? The monster has been caged for now, though I suppose TL-IM would be a nice stand-in monster. | ||
StarStruck
25339 Posts
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Kasaraki
Denmark7115 Posts
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tili
United States1332 Posts
Booooom!!! I' so happy! People should also check out this blog from a week ago ^^ http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=437415 | ||
Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On December 14 2013 03:39 StarStruck wrote: I think you underrate MVP and overrate IM (I think their current line-up is worse than what EG-TL originally sent out) and ohgloriousleadertowinCJPL? Please. They aren't even close to number one. EG-TL had no where to go but up after that Round, so save the ohgoloriousleadertalk. The fuck is with this talk? Do people forget that the last time IM played in a team league they won? They also beat MVP in the finals. IM has the same Protoss lineup as when they won GSTL plus Liquid Hero, they lost Losira but trading Losira for Hero is an improvement since Hero has a lot of Proleague experience and he's Protoss. Squirtle, First, Yonghwa, Hero, that's a good protoss lineup and we all know Protoss dominate PL. No player on MVP won a tournament in 2013, all they have going for them is team league performance and they couldn't even win at that. That team is washed up. Not as washed up as KT Rolster, but pretty washed up. | ||
Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
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Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
let's hope Jin Air signs Dear so I can justify still having them at #3 | ||
ACrow
Germany6583 Posts
On December 14 2013 09:06 Zealously wrote: God damnit Trap I'm not bumping IM to third place again let's hope Jin Air signs Dear so I can justify still having them at #3 Bump it to first place then. IM has this ezpz. | ||
StarStruck
25339 Posts
On December 14 2013 08:47 Dodgin wrote: The fuck is with this talk? Do people forget that the last time IM played in a team league they won? They also beat MVP in the finals. IM has the same Protoss lineup as when they won GSTL plus Liquid Hero, they lost Losira but trading Losira for Hero is an improvement since Hero has a lot of Proleague experience and he's Protoss. Squirtle, First, Yonghwa, Hero, that's a good protoss lineup and we all know Protoss dominate PL. No player on MVP won a tournament in 2013, all they have going for them is team league performance and they couldn't even win at that. That team is washed up. Not as washed up as KT Rolster, but pretty washed up. My comments were before they added Trap and the team is overrated. Then you have guys like Nestea and MVP who are close to being done. | ||
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