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So yeah..failed to get out of probation, and I'm dismissed from Engineering. I didn't want to do it anyways, so I'm going to attend community college for the upcoming fall (I'm already attending summer because I was going to transfer credits, anyways).
I thought about my major and definitely want to do business or math. I really like math, but Engineering kind of stuff just didn't work out for me. So I'm pretty much fucked when my parents find out...they wouldn't want me going to CC T_T
I'll probably be working during the summer/fall too...since I only need 12 credits to re-apply. I'm taking 6 credits right now and probably 6-9 during the fall.
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if you like math dude, DO IT :D
business is more of a joke imo.
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Just make sure the only reason you like maths isn't because it's easy I know a few people who made that mistake since it was so easy before uni.
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Well, you are one of roughly 50% of the engineering students aren't you? As my old physics teacher used to tell the freshman classes in college: "Half of you will be the worst 50%, get used to it".
Anyway, when you try again go for business first since it is an easier major than maths, if you fail again it would be really bad to get back I think.
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what kind of engineering were you studying?
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T.O.P.
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I agree, don't make the mistake thinking math is easy. University math is on a totally different level compared to high school math.
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On June 01 2009 05:28 T.O.P. wrote: I agree, don't make the mistake thinking math is easy. University math is on a totally different level compared to high school math. I wouldn't say it's actually harder, though. It's more advanced, but the rate of learning is about the same (well, you go faster, but that's because you can focus on it more). Mainly it's just more abstract.
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You need 12 credits? Are those comparable with ECTS credits? Because I take 30 per semester and still have plenty of time left each time. We have to get 60 credits per year, if you get below 40 you get kicked out and can't do the subject again for about 5 years or something. Maybe you should consider re-applying if you can find the proper motivation.
Also I've checked out some of the math stuff at my university looking for fun courses I have to choose next year, it's pretty damn hard. I also have a friend who chose math as his major, which he's pretty good at and he's smart as hell, but he still completely failed due to lack of motivation.
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As others have pointed out, math is an extremely difficult major. Upperclassmen level math classes are far different from high school or even introductory college level math. If you're not comfortable with rigorous proofs and abstract thinking, math probably isn't for you. And I don't mean to be too harsh here, but if you're not doing so great in engineering, statistically speaking, you won't fare much better in math. Nonetheless, if you're really certain you like math, by all means go for it! =D
As for business, well... I sort of see it as a major for people who aren't really interested in anything but want to get rich (sorry business majors). The classes are reputed to be really easy but you need appropriate personality traits to get anywhere.
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On June 01 2009 05:32 Luddite wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2009 05:28 T.O.P. wrote: I agree, don't make the mistake thinking math is easy. University math is on a totally different level compared to high school math. I wouldn't say it's actually harder, though. It's more advanced, but the rate of learning is about the same (well, you go faster, but that's because you can focus on it more). Mainly it's just more abstract. While the calculus courses are really intuitive things like Lie algebras are not. More abstract is the same thing as harder unless you just muscled through your earlier courses without visualizing anything at all, I wouldn't really recommend doing that though...
Also the average maths student do not get 100% of every course, and if you missed a bit of the last course you will miss even more the next making the amount you understand of the latest course exponentially decreasing with every new course you take.
Like, a good student understands 90% of the course, while a bad one 50%. Then a few courses later the good one have maybe 50% left while the bad one is down to 3% and flunking everything.
This is probably the biggest problem with people, they do not realize that they really need an A in every course if they want to study maths/physics since otherwise stuff you don't understand starts piling up and it will hit you really hard later, getting A in every early class is like mandatory if you want to get anywhere.
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Take community college seriously and you'll do fine don't be "ashamed" of it. Many people go there for many reasons.
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You sound like you aren't too concerned about it.
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A BA is a joke, go for something in math.
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On June 01 2009 05:47 Klockan3 wrote:
This is probably the biggest problem with people, they do not realize that they really need an A in every course if they want to study maths/physics since otherwise stuff you don't understand starts piling up and it will hit you really hard later, getting A in every early class is like mandatory if you want to get anywhere. Yeah I'd agree with that. If you do a good job with everything and never get behind then it's not too hard, but if you do start to get behind, it's really hard to catch up since everything is related.
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Yeah, the difference between college and high school math is pretty astonishing. So much more crazy theoretical and abstract. In high school I did totally awesome in math (including winning some relatively major awards for it), loved it, etc. College it was so weird and different, I ended up hating it and not doing well (except combinatorics).
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@zulu: I was going to be BME
@travis: yeah, I am really worried. I knew this would happen anyways, so it's sorta gotten over me now. When the letter comes, it's my parents that I have to take care of =/ i don't know how to explain it to them.....
@everyone else: Math is REALLY hard. I know that because I have a friend from another university that dropped out of Math because it was really hard for him...and he was really good at math. I'm most likely going for business.
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fuck me I plan to major in BME, why don't you like it?
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yay at least I won't expect anything I'm not used to!...Being a comp sci major and hating math(well not really more the way its taught and the textbooks) is sorta challenging.
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On June 01 2009 05:40 Frits wrote: You need 12 credits? Are those comparable with ECTS credits? Because I take 30 per semester and still have plenty of time left each time. We have to get 60 credits per year, if you get below 40 you get kicked out and can't do the subject again for about 5 years or something. I'm assuming credits work differently here in the US because 30 credits per semester seems pretty crazy. Generally the minimum to be a full time student is 12 credits per semester (which roughly equals 12 hours of class per week + however much homework is given) and I rarely meet anyone who goes for 21+ credits.
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Clazz was this Cornell Engineering by any chance? If so then I'm in pretty much the same boat.
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if you like math and dont mind devoting plenty of time to thinking about it then go math :D, but otherwise it's just going to wear on you. dont worry about the cc, hell, i went to a cc and it was at least as nice as the university. gl with the parentals
Being a comp sci major and hating math
0.o lol
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Community college isn't a bad way to go. It's cheaper, you get the same requirements done, and when you graduate, you still get the exact same degree as someone that spent 4 years at a university. You can always retake failed classes so that your GPA isn't terrible. What I HAVE noticed from taking some cc classes though is that it's never taught at the same level as a university. The professors tend to be more lenient at the cc level and tests less challenging. Consequently, you tend to not learn the material at as high of a level as you would in a university. If you don't find the resolve to put some effort into your classes, you'll have a hard time 3rd year and 4th year as the classes become more difficult conceptually and your foundation's weak. I'm a 2nd year math major and I actually found upper division math to be refreshingly interesting. It was a lot more rigorous and a lot less arithmetic calculations. From what I've seen engineering tends to focus more on application and number crunching, whereas math is more proof based and conceptual. Whatever you choose, best of luck to you.
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just out of curiosity, how much sc have you played during the past few semesters?
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aww that suks =[
i got out of my probation... thank goodness
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On June 01 2009 08:57 Ender wrote: just out of curiosity, how much sc have you played during the past few semesters?
not that much, like 1 hour a day? which is like 3 games
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On June 01 2009 06:56 Falcynn wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2009 05:40 Frits wrote: You need 12 credits? Are those comparable with ECTS credits? Because I take 30 per semester and still have plenty of time left each time. We have to get 60 credits per year, if you get below 40 you get kicked out and can't do the subject again for about 5 years or something. I'm assuming credits work differently here in the US because 30 credits per semester seems pretty crazy. Generally the minimum to be a full time student is 12 credits per semester (which roughly equals 12 hours of class per week + however much homework is given) and I rarely meet anyone who goes for 21+ credits. EU credits are worth half of US credits.
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doesn't matter where you are now, just try to get on top of stuff and you'll be still a respectible man. Tell your parents, they'll be angry, but they're your parents, nothing terrible can happen (I hope). Tough luck! Work harder bro
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It's a shame you're not a girl or dealing with your parents would just be a matter of crying in front of them. Well I suppose you could still try it as a last resort.
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Well to be honest, it just sounds like you weren't honest with yourself from this post and the last one/thread. And I hate to be the one shitting on your future, but if you honestly think that switching to math (because you like it which in itself is a dumb reason) or business will fix your problems, then you'll be posting this same thing a year from now, like I can go into this more in detail if you want but rather not.
My advice to you, take a break from studies (if you can), find a job, and actually work for a living. Because right now, anything you undertake academically will end up in less than satisfactory results, trust me, you simply don't have the (sustainable) motivation for anything academically.
On the bright side, most of the respectable individuals in any field have undergone what you have, don't think you are doomed for failure but don't think that the road back will be easy.
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As someone who failed out in a way 10x worse than you, heed my advice: Take a semester off and work full time. When you realize that you're making dick in your dead end job, you will get your ass in gear and apply to school again and be fine
As aznmathfreak said, go to a CC. It's cheaper, and you can bang out all the bullshit, gened classes there. O NOT FORGET* Any classes that you failed at your prior uni WILL count against your GPA when you return from probation, even if you took them over at your new school. (if you decide to just go to a CC and to a new school, I think that circumvents this)
The retards at my school failed to notify me of this, so even though I had my associates when I came back, I still had to take about a half dozen bullshit courses over for a third (and even fourth!) time to fix my wonderful GPA.
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