 micronesia United States. January 03 2010 05:37. Posts 19320 | Profile Blog # |
I'm not going to write a guide for good trolling techniques. I don't think it would be very good and there are many others already on tl. I'm just going to talk about a recent phenomenon (not that recent honestly) that is apparent both on and off of tl.
As many of you are already aware (but not all unfortunately), the word trolling has ascended to a new meaning. It used to mean approximately:
Trolling is trying to get a rise out of someone. Forcing them to respond to you, either through wise-crackery, posting incorrect information, asking blatantly stupid questions, or other foolishness.
But it's been expanded to mean:
Any time anyone says anything that isn't 100% serious.
What the hell? Where did this come from? I guess a lot of people just didn't understand what trolling was, tried to pick it up from context, failed miserably, and then started disseminating their own crappy interpretation. Just to clarify a couple of examples:
Example 1
+ Show Spoiler +Person 1: Why is Bisu such a failure at protoss? Person 2: What the fuck!? Bisu has so many accomplishments and dominated for a long time. You have no right to say bad things about him after all he's done for bw. Analysis+ Show Spoiler +Trolling! Person 1 doesn't necessarily have anything against Bisu. Person 1 just knew that Person 2 would flip out and defend Bisu. Person 1 was amused by Person 2's heartfelt and long-ish response. If Person 1 is feeling extra trolly he'll continue the charade further.
Example 2
+ Show Spoiler +Person 1: Here's a terran fpvod I made to help the community learn how to play terran better. + Show Spoiler +http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=58459 Not trolling! It is painfully obvious that person 1 isn't serious, and he doesn't actually intend for people to think that this was a serious attempt at creating a demonstration fpvod. Still, people have told me it's an exellent troll. No, it's not! The fact that a few people actually fell for it is a testament to their obliviousness rather than trolly nature of the thread.
Conclusion: Over half of the accusations I see of trolling on TL are wrong. This isn't a phenomenon limited to TL so I don't blame its members, but if you are someone who often makes this mistake please take a moment to think about this.
Bonus: Provide the analysis for this sample yourself:
Example 3
+ Show Spoiler +[15:08] <micronesia> what do you do if you go 2 gate zealots and your opponent goes 2 fact vultures
[15:08] <Zavior> find a hard object
[15:08] <Zavior> bash random thigns with it
[15:09] <Jathin> um
[15:09] <Jathin> you shouldn't be going 2gate zealots if your opponent goes 2fact vultures
[15:09] <micronesia> I always go 2 gate zealots vs terran it's the best strategy
[15:09] <Jathin> but if, for god knows what reason, you're in that position
[15:10] <Jathin> hold your ramp with zeals and stall until you get goons
[15:10] <micronesia> I don't get goons; I rush straight from zealots to scouts
[15:10] <micronesia> so I can kill the vultures more easily
[15:10] <Jathin> word
[15:10] <suxN> i guess you could go for a cannon then, since youre lacking gas not minerals rite?
[15:11] <micronesia> lol
[15:11] <Jathin> cannon and rush to reaver
[15:11] <Jathin> that's your only hope
[15:11] <micronesia> but what if he goes 12 battlecruisers
[15:11] <micronesia> that's what always kills me
[15:11] <Jathin> scourges
[15:11] <Zavior> you retaliate with proxy fleet beacon
[15:11] <Zavior> how could you not see that
[15:11] <suxN> wtf, battlecruisers shouldnt be the problem if youre doing scouts
[15:11] <intrigue_> if u block ur ramp with pylons
[15:11] <intrigue_> battlecruisers cant do shit
[15:12] <micronesia> intrigue_ good point let me practice that in 1 player mode
[15:12] <Jathin> MC his scv
[15:12] <suxN> pylons are for noobs, 4x shield battery
[15:12] <Jathin> and make turrets
edit: your own examples can be offered if you likeLast edit: 2010-01-03 05:45:36
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infinity21  Canada. January 03 2010 05:40. Posts 6268 | Profile Blog # | |
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 ghostWriter United States. January 03 2010 05:41. Posts 3302 | Profile Blog # |
| I think it's just something someone says when they say something wrong and try to play it off so that they can pretend that they got you by trolling rather than them just owning themselves by being a moron. |
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| Chef January 03 2010 05:43. Posts 9708 | Profile Blog # |
Example 1 isn't really trolling either imo. It doesn't seem like it was trying to get a rise out of anyone.
Real trolling happens in political threads. People who believe the holocaust is real, but just for fun start saying that it's not and acting like a racist retard so that someone will spend a hour telling them how wrong they are and playing hero to everything that is decent about humanity.
Which is separate from pranks and people who just don't get sarcasm or satire.Last edit: 2010-01-03 05:45:08 |
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| Kenpachi United States. January 03 2010 05:43. Posts 9007 | Profile Blog # |
| Trolsl 5/5 would read again. |
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| Loser777 January 03 2010 05:44. Posts 1838 | Profile Blog # |
| Yeah, I'd say trolling is more extreme/has more effort put into it than Example 1. |
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| micronesia United States. January 03 2010 05:44. Posts 19320 | Profile Blog # |
On January 03 2010 05:41 ghostWriter wrote:
I think it's just something someone says when they say something wrong and try to play it off so that they can pretend that they got you by trolling rather than them just owning themselves by being a moron.
I agree; this is something I didn't address but comes up a lot also.
On January 03 2010 05:43 Chef wrote:
Example 1 isn't really trolling either imo. It doesn't seem like it was trying to get a rise out of anyone.
Real trolling happens in political threads. People who believe the holocaust is real, but just for fun start saying that it's not and acting like a racist retard so that someone will spend a hour telling them how wrong they are and playing hero to everything that is decent about humanity.
It's not a severe example but I'm not that good of a troll so it would take some effort to come up with a good example. Hopefully it illustrates the basic principle.
edit: feel free to provide other examples that demonstrate this better.Last edit: 2010-01-03 05:45:16 |
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| Grobyc Canada. January 03 2010 05:53. Posts 16966 | Profile Blog # |
On June 25 2009 11:07 Grobyc wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 25 2009 10:59 infinity21 wrote:
On June 25 2009 10:42 Jibba wrote:
Remember, P - Park, N - Normal (as in normal gear), D - Down, R - Reverse.
wat
o.o What the fuck do you drive Jibba? Ever heard of 'D for drive' or 'N for neutral'?
On June 25 2009 11:07 Jibba wrote:
You guys are fucking idiots.
lol
that one one of the ones i can remember actually putting some effort intoLast edit: 2010-01-03 05:54:36 |
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| Shikyo Finland. January 03 2010 05:54. Posts 20141 | Profile Blog # |
Trolling is picking Troll Warlord in a -apem "proz only" dota game and going beyond godlike.
^ Above sentence is an example of trolling |
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| skronch United States. January 03 2010 05:58. Posts 2717 | Profile Blog # |
On January 03 2010 05:41 ghostWriter wrote:
I think it's just something someone says when they say something wrong and try to play it off so that they can pretend that they got you by trolling rather than them just owning themselves by being a moron.
ex:
On May 30 2009 05:00 Hot_Bid wrote:hehe the classic present an idea, argue it, realize its ridiculously stupid, try to pass off as troll IM ONTO YOU JUMPERER YOUR PYLON BLOCK SHALL NOT SAVE YOU THIS TIME
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| coltrane Chile. January 03 2010 06:03. Posts 986 | Profile Blog # |
wrinten thins badass troLZ
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| decafchicken United States. January 03 2010 06:09. Posts 15160 | Profile Blog # |
| Trolling is anytime someone says something stupid/not funny, gets called out on it and is completely wrong, then says they were trolling to cover their ass. |
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| Lemonwalrus United States. January 03 2010 06:10. Posts 5445 | Profile Blog # |
^^Yes
I hate the 'lol i wuz trollin u guyz' defense.
Edit: Admission of trolling is something a true troll would never do, ever.Last edit: 2010-01-03 06:11:08 |
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 Rekrul Korea (South). January 03 2010 06:11. Posts 16550 | Profile Blog # |
| if you're a true troll no one realizes you're a troll |
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| decafchicken United States. January 03 2010 06:14. Posts 15160 | Profile Blog # |
| and for reference if you're looking for a good time, bodybuilding.com is quite possibly the easiest forum to elicit massive reactions over the simplest most obviously sarcastic statements |
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| SanguineToss Canada. January 03 2010 06:15. Posts 815 | Profile Blog # | |
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| Jyvblamo Canada. January 03 2010 06:16. Posts 13669 | Profile Blog # |
| Troll blog is obvious troll blog. |
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| Boblion France. January 03 2010 06:25. Posts 7797 | Profile Blog # |
Stay simple.
On April 29 2009 01:17 Boblion wrote:
Who is Elky ?
On April 29 2009 01:34 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:how dare you
On April 29 2009 01:54 randomKo_Orean wrote::O
On April 29 2009 02:00 Zurles wrote:/slap with white glove
On April 29 2009 02:05 LaLuSh wrote:Blasphemy!
On April 29 2009 02:05 wiesel wrote:Your even from france and dont know elky? 
On April 29 2009 02:48 Machine[USA] wrote:...... .......... ............. i dont even know what to say, you should be ashamed.
On April 29 2009 03:06 Twisted wrote:
So is everyone re-leveling here or doesn't anyone know that boblion was kidding..?
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| Navane Netherlands. January 03 2010 06:26. Posts 2405 | Profile Blog # |
| If someone responds serious to a troll, and the troll thinks he is serious but actually his is not, is he then doubletrolling? |
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| Chef January 03 2010 06:29. Posts 9708 | Profile Blog # |
On January 03 2010 06:09 decafchicken wrote:
Trolling is anytime someone says something stupid/not funny, gets called out on it and is completely wrong, then says they were trolling to cover their ass.
Sometimes someone will say something obviously mockingly, satirical... Not intending to trick anyone, just trying to be funny, and then someone won't get it, and just for the hell of it, THEN they'll act like they're serious (under the impression eventually the person will realise they're just being absurd). I think that happens more often than not on TL because TLers have complete inability to give other posters the benefit of a doubt, especially if they have some dumb grudge against them
Other times you get people playing devil's advocate just because although they agree with the conclusion of the argument, the premises are absolute crap.
Other times a poster misunderstands another poster, and carries on an argument for several pages when essentially both posters agree. Again, this happens mostly because TLers refuse to give each other the benefit of a doubt.
This is why it's best just not to reply to replies. You can't reply like a normal person of forums... everything just turns to ridiculous crap. |
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