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 micronesia United States. September 30 2011 23:12. Posts 19323 | Profile Blog # |
edit: pictures below
For the past month or two I've been putting together a collection of pure metals. One day after watching Breaking Bad I brought up a periodic table in my browser and started counting all the elements I knew that were available in bullion. I hopped on ebay and have started acquiring them.
So far I have:
- 1 ounce silver ingot (31 g)
- 1 ounce aluminum ingot (33.5 g)
- 1 ounce titanium ingot (31 g)
- 1 ounce nickel ingot (35 g)
- 1 ounce lead ingot (33 g)
- 1 ounce zinc ingot (37.5 g)
- 1 ounce tin ingot (32 g)
- 1 ounce copper ingot (33 g)
- 1 gram iron ingot [hard to get iron ingots lol]
- 1 avdp ounce copper ingot (avdp, 28 g) [oops avdp lol]
The obvious ones to add are gold, platinum, palladium, and rhodium but I really don't want to spend that kind of money right now... the silver ingot alone was close to 50 bucks 
I was considering getting other metals but have run into a bit of a problem: I don't know how safe they are. My chemistry knowledge is a bit lacking and I don't really trust it. For starters, I'm going to avoid any alkali elements because I know they react violently with even small amounts of water. Other elements I'm not too sure about though.
For example, I just found this auction on ebay: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Magnesium-Metal-Ingot-99-9-Pure-Free-Shipping-5lb-/300579778261?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item45fbf36ed5#ht_500wt_922
They are selling magnesium which is an alkaline earth and fairly abundant on the Earth's crust. I know this stuff is pretty nasty when it catches fire... not to mention putting it out is pretty tough since it turns water into hydrogen gas. Is it too dangerous to buy though? I'd be storing it in a metal box which should help a bit...
What about these metals available from the same seller? I'm looking into it but don't want to make a mistake and blow up the house or something lol (I'm assuming the easier it is to get something the safer it is but I don't want to find out the hard way I was wrong):
gallium, strontium, rubidium, calcium metal, indium metal (left out lithium, potassium, sodium, cesium lol)
If anyone has any suggestions please let me know... I think it's cool to have a sample of each type of metal (each ingot I have is >99.9% pure).Last edit: 2011-09-30 23:25:16
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| GigaFlop United States. September 30 2011 23:14. Posts 1143 | Profile Blog # |
You should look into Sodium, it reacts very violently with water. You can also cut it with a kitchen knife ^^
This sounds rather interesting, though. Pictures? |
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| micronesia United States. September 30 2011 23:24. Posts 19323 | Profile Blog # |
Picture:
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/GXoc3.png) |
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| Mr. Wiggles Canada. September 30 2011 23:27. Posts 4685 | Profile Blog # |
Hmmm, I'm not sure if my Chemistry knowledge is enough to help you out either.
I think that it could be safe to buy alkali metals, so long as they are properly stored and handled. If I remember right, most of them oxidize on contact with air, forming a non-reactive barrier oxidized metal on the surface. Don't take my word on it, though, it's just what I remember from High School.
Also, I know some metals are toxic in certain forms, so you might want to check that out, if you are actually planning on attaining near-every metal.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toxic_metal
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Oh, that's cool.
From the OP, I got the impression you were just buying lump metal, haha.
You could probably check out science stores and suppliers for some of the rarer or more volatile ones, though. For example, it's possible to buy small amounts of radioactive metals, if I remember correctly.Last edit: 2011-09-30 23:29:14 |
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| marttorn Norway. September 30 2011 23:29. Posts 5019 | Profile Blog # |
... I thought this was about Metal, the music genre.
SILVER INGOT FUCK YEAH! /headbang |
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| Shockk Germany. September 30 2011 23:35. Posts 2267 | Profile Blog # |
Try large suppliers for research / teaching needs. They usually have tons of materials in stock, everything from ingots to dust.
If you have little to no experience with handling chemicals, I'd suggest sticking to the "classic" metals. Some metalloids or other metals can be a pain to handle and store or might be expensive / impossible to get (or even toxic). |
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| GigaFlop United States. September 30 2011 23:37. Posts 1143 | Profile Blog # |
| What's the tiny ingot? I thought it was lead until I read the names on the other ingots. |
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| micronesia United States. September 30 2011 23:37. Posts 19323 | Profile Blog # |
On September 30 2011 23:35 Shockk wrote:
Try large suppliers for research / teaching needs. They usually have tons of materials in stock, everything from ingots to dust.
If you have little to no experience with handling chemicals, I'd suggest sticking to the "classic" metals. Some metalloids or other metals can be a pain to handle and store or might be expensive / impossible to get (or even toxic).
I agree. The problem is, I don't know which ones are the classic ones which are safe and easy to handle.
On September 30 2011 23:37 GigaFlop wrote:
What's the tiny ingot? I thought it was lead until I read the names on the other ingots.
It's hard to get 1 ounce iron ingots lol... plus I wanted to have one that was 1 gram for variety.Last edit: 2011-09-30 23:37:45 |
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| GigaFlop United States. September 30 2011 23:47. Posts 1143 | Profile Blog # |
On September 30 2011 23:37 micronesia wrote:
Show nested quote +On September 30 2011 23:35 Shockk wrote:
Try large suppliers for research / teaching needs. They usually have tons of materials in stock, everything from ingots to dust.
If you have little to no experience with handling chemicals, I'd suggest sticking to the "classic" metals. Some metalloids or other metals can be a pain to handle and store or might be expensive / impossible to get (or even toxic).
I agree. The problem is, I don't know which ones are the classic ones which are safe and easy to handle.
Show nested quote +On September 30 2011 23:37 GigaFlop wrote:
What's the tiny ingot? I thought it was lead until I read the names on the other ingots.
It's hard to get 1 ounce iron ingots lol... plus I wanted to have one that was 1 gram for variety.
Why not get a bunch of 1g iron ingots and tape them together to form a (roughly) 1oz ingot? |
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| micronesia United States. September 30 2011 23:49. Posts 19323 | Profile Blog # |
On September 30 2011 23:47 GigaFlop wrote:
Show nested quote +On September 30 2011 23:37 micronesia wrote:
On September 30 2011 23:35 Shockk wrote:
Try large suppliers for research / teaching needs. They usually have tons of materials in stock, everything from ingots to dust.
If you have little to no experience with handling chemicals, I'd suggest sticking to the "classic" metals. Some metalloids or other metals can be a pain to handle and store or might be expensive / impossible to get (or even toxic).
I agree. The problem is, I don't know which ones are the classic ones which are safe and easy to handle.
On September 30 2011 23:37 GigaFlop wrote:
What's the tiny ingot? I thought it was lead until I read the names on the other ingots.
It's hard to get 1 ounce iron ingots lol... plus I wanted to have one that was 1 gram for variety.
Why not get a bunch of 1g iron ingots and tape them together to form a (roughly) 1oz ingot?
lol
That would be cost inefficient and not really necessary
Maybe if I feel like my collection of 1 ounce ingots is nearing completion I'll be motivated to search more for a 1 ounce sample of iron. |
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| Mr. Wiggles Canada. September 30 2011 23:53. Posts 4685 | Profile Blog # |
I think it would be best to just look at them by elemental group? Most metals in the same elemental group share most of their properties, I believe.
Then just research them, one by one, to determine if reactivity increases too much as you move down the list, and if any of the metals are toxic/radioactive.
EDIT: Maybe ask a chem teacher where you work? Last edit: 2011-09-30 23:55:53 |
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| GigaFlop United States. October 01 2011 00:05. Posts 1143 | Profile Blog # |
On September 30 2011 23:49 micronesia wrote:
Show nested quote +On September 30 2011 23:47 GigaFlop wrote:
On September 30 2011 23:37 micronesia wrote:
On September 30 2011 23:35 Shockk wrote:
Try large suppliers for research / teaching needs. They usually have tons of materials in stock, everything from ingots to dust.
If you have little to no experience with handling chemicals, I'd suggest sticking to the "classic" metals. Some metalloids or other metals can be a pain to handle and store or might be expensive / impossible to get (or even toxic).
I agree. The problem is, I don't know which ones are the classic ones which are safe and easy to handle.
On September 30 2011 23:37 GigaFlop wrote:
What's the tiny ingot? I thought it was lead until I read the names on the other ingots.
It's hard to get 1 ounce iron ingots lol... plus I wanted to have one that was 1 gram for variety.
Why not get a bunch of 1g iron ingots and tape them together to form a (roughly) 1oz ingot?
lol That would be cost inefficient and not really necessary Maybe if I feel like my collection of 1 ounce ingots is nearing completion I'll be motivated to search more for a 1 ounce sample of iron.
You need to get a hold of 3 iron and 2 sticks before you can acquire anything like Diamond or Gold, you're doing it wrong... |
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| caradoc Canada. October 01 2011 00:07. Posts 2893 | Profile Blog # |
Magnesium needs pretty hot temperatures to ignite (a flame will do it eventually though), but once it ignites you aren't going to put it out.
Some also oxidize in air-- I'm not sure how they're stored since I've actually never even seen ingots, but its probably something you'll want to figure out. |
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| Shockk Germany. October 01 2011 00:23. Posts 2267 | Profile Blog # |
On September 30 2011 23:37 micronesia wrote:
Show nested quote +On September 30 2011 23:35 Shockk wrote:
Try large suppliers for research / teaching needs. They usually have tons of materials in stock, everything from ingots to dust.
If you have little to no experience with handling chemicals, I'd suggest sticking to the "classic" metals. Some metalloids or other metals can be a pain to handle and store or might be expensive / impossible to get (or even toxic).
I agree. The problem is, I don't know which ones are the classic ones which are safe and easy to handle.
The "regular" metals would be transition metals - scandium to zinc, yttrium to cadmium and hafnium to mercury. This group includes all the common metals like titanium, chromium, iron, silver, gold etc. Alumimium, tin or lead are post-transition metals and shouldn't be too much trouble either. Metalloids could be tricky; you'll certainly not want to have some polonium or arsenic, but antimony or silicon shouldn't be a problem.
In this image, the transition metals are red, post-transition are blue and metalloids are light blue. Disregard the last three lines of the periodic table as lanthanides and actinides aren't what you're looking for and everything post polonium is radioactive.
![[image loading]](http://i.infopls.com/images/periodictableWEB_ext.gif)
From the three groups already mentioned, you'll probably not get everything due to prices and availability and don't want to get others due to danger. Polonium as already mentioned is radioactive, arsenic and thallium are toxic, mercury will be a bitch to store properly (and is toxic as well).
Just work your way through the periodic table, check for prices and dangers. I'd say stock up on conventional and non-difficult metals first. Chromium, cobalt, tungsten, lead, antimony or zirconium shouldn't be that hard to add to your collection (just some examples). |
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| FaCE_1 Canada. October 01 2011 00:26. Posts 4947 | Profile Blog # | |
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| DoublespeakUS United States. October 01 2011 00:32. Posts 55 | Profile Blog # |
Oh wow I feel like a noob.
I'm graduated with a degree in geoscience so I know all about metals. I collect plenty of rocks and metals myself. I actually have an ingot but never knew it was an ingot. I really like your collection. It is very raw, unique and has a lot of story behind it.
What were ingots used for and when? I'm curious =D
Edit: Of course I could google it but I'd like to hear from the OP. Also, I'm on a work computer and many sites do not work with this browser. Last edit: 2011-10-01 00:33:35 |
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| LaLuSh Sweden. October 01 2011 00:34. Posts 1522 | Profile Blog # |
At school I remember they stored alkali metals in kerosene. But any sort of sealed container should do for the sort of amounts that I imagine you'd be buying.
They don't react as violently as you'd think. Unless you plan on buying pounds of the stuff and throwing it into a bathtub you shouldn't be worried about explosions until you reach down the list to cesium. There was an episode of mythbusters where they examined whether large amounts of alkali metals such as potassium, lithium and sodium could be used as explosives. While they certainly react in a cool way, they're not very efficient as explosives. |
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| DreamChaser October 01 2011 00:39. Posts 1632 | Profile Blog # |
It is magnesium that creates the super white light
But also OP the amount your getting is hardly dangerous as long as you take proper precautions and dont leave your reactive metals hanging around you should be fine. Theres no metal that reacts with air  so just keep everything dry and safe maybe like a clear box. |
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| shucklesors Singapore. October 01 2011 00:47. Posts 1136 | Profile # |
| Just dropped by to say that looks awesome as hell, know nothing about metals though. |
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| Glull Germany. October 01 2011 01:13. Posts 389 | Profile Blog # |
gallium --> very low melting point - not "easy" to handle. not toxic.
calcium --> not toxic, surface oxidizes in air.
strontium --> see calcium
indium --> not toxic (rather expensive but safe to collect)
rubidium --> worse than potassium. stay away. (also very expensive.)
magnesium --> not toxic, surface oxodizes in air ("passivation"). cheap and easy to get and collect. does not "turn water into hydrogen gas". (buy a metal pencil sharpener and you have your ingot )
i might write more later on this, because i share the sentiment that pure element samples are intriguing and beautiful. i prefer crystalline or natural samples over ingots though. |
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