| KalWarkov Germany. February 04 2013 04:02. Posts 2808 | Profile Blog # |
![[image loading]](http://www.abload.de/img/headbannerjangnk07.png) About me and the ranking+ Show Spoiler +Hi TeamLiquid,
I'm DiaBoLuS, a german low gm protoss player in both WoL and HotS. I play sc2 since the release of the beta and I watch a shitton of professional SC2 – basically all major tournaments, many online cups and ladderstreams as well. Also, im obsessed with rankings!
Therefore, i post a foreigner rankings for about a year now, and i plan to keep posting rankings on a monthly basis in the future. When i talk about „Foreigners“, i exclude non-korean asian players (chinese, taiwanese), simply because I dont see enough of those scenes to rank them, and they dont participate in your regular major tournaments too often. So you may call it a „Western Foreigner Ranking“ if you so desire.
How do i make my ranking? Which criteria do i have? Well, here is a little list of what i look at, from important to less imporant:
- Major Tournament results of the month.
- My impression of the play: how did games look [impressive macrogames / lucky&cheesy], consistency, which opponents (bracket luck?) etc.
- Minor Tournemant / Online Tournament results of the month.
- Activity / Inactivity
- Tournament results of the past / Achievements.
- Ladder standing (bad or non existent stats have no negative value).
- Your votes and „TheBB's“ player rankings.
![[image loading]](http://www.abload.de/img/1stephanoaukpc.png) _ ![[image loading]](http://www.abload.de/img/2scarlettk2kns.png) _ ![[image loading]](http://www.abload.de/img/3naniwa2lk70.png) _ ![[image loading]](http://www.abload.de/img/4vortixr6jh6.png) _ ![[image loading]](http://www.abload.de/img/5nerchiorjknx.png) ![[image loading]](http://www.abload.de/img/6snuteh0k54.png) _ ![[image loading]](http://www.abload.de/img/7kass0j9o.png) _ ![[image loading]](http://www.abload.de/img/8lucifrond2jm4.png) _ ![[image loading]](http://www.abload.de/img/9manaaykmb.png) _ ![[image loading]](http://www.abload.de/img/10huk0fjdt.png) ![[image loading]](http://www.abload.de/img/11thorzainf7kig.png) _ ![[image loading]](http://www.abload.de/img/12grubbycfky2.png) _ ![[image loading]](http://www.abload.de/img/13sockecokdy.png) _ ![[image loading]](http://www.abload.de/img/14tlobqkk6.png) _ ![[image loading]](http://www.abload.de/img/15sasehuk9t.png) ![[image loading]](http://www.abload.de/img/16sortofd5kr0.png) _ ![[image loading]](http://www.abload.de/img/17titaneijaa.png) _ ![[image loading]](http://www.abload.de/img/18babyknightvfj4z.png) _ ![[image loading]](http://www.abload.de/img/19slivko2hk7w.png) _ ![[image loading]](http://www.abload.de/img/20goswserjqk1b.png) ![[image loading]](http://www.abload.de/img/21majorkbjgs.png) _ ![[image loading]](http://www.abload.de/img/22demuslimpekuk.png) _ ![[image loading]](http://www.abload.de/img/23fraerwjksw.png) _ ![[image loading]](http://www.abload.de/img/24suppycoj27.png) _ ![[image loading]](http://www.abload.de/img/25idra1ikrf.png) ![[image loading]](http://www.abload.de/img/26lowely6sjdm.png) _ ![[image loading]](http://www.abload.de/img/27hasuobsbnkkz.png) _ ![[image loading]](http://www.abload.de/img/28monchii3jr9.png) _ ![[image loading]](http://www.abload.de/img/29xlordzbjoa.png) _ ![[image loading]](http://www.abload.de/img/30blyhkji7.png) ------ 1.  Stephano ------ 2.Scarlett ------ 3.NaNiWa ------ ------ 4. VortiX ------ 5.Nerchio ------ 6.Snute ------ ------ 7. Kas ------ 8.Lucifron ------ 9.MaNa ------ ------ 10. HuK ------ 11.ThorZaiN ------ 12.Grubby ------ ------ 13. Socke ------ 14.TLO ------ 15.SaSe ------ ------ 16. SortOf ------ 17.TitaN ------ 18.BabyKnight ------ ------ 19. sLivko ------ 20.goswser ------ 21.MajOr ------ ------ 22. DeMusliM ------ 23.Fraer ------ 24.Suppy ------ ------ 25. IdrA ------ 26.LoWeLy ------ 27.HasuObs ------ ------ 28. monchi ------ 29.XlorD ------ 30.Bly ------ ![[image loading]](http://www.abload.de/img/rank30-50n2ji2.png)  Zerg Dimaga Ret ViBe mOOnGlaDe KiLLeR LiveZerg CatZ  Terran Happy BratOK BeastyQt Illusion Naama DieStar Masa GoOdy  Protoss elfi NightEnD Feast TT1 White-Ra Minigun ![[image loading]](http://www.abload.de/img/votesizkeh.png) TOP10+ Show Spoiler +Poll: TOP 10: Most overrated?HuK (113) 45% Scarlett (55) 22% Stephano (23) 9% NaNiWa (14) 6% VortiX (12) 5% Snute (11) 4% Nerchio (9) 4% Kas (7) 3% can't tell (3) 1% MaNa (3) 1% Lucifron (1) 0% 251 total votes Your vote: TOP 10: Most overrated? (Vote): Stephano
(Vote): Scarlett
(Vote): NaNiWa
(Vote): VortiX
(Vote): Nerchio
(Vote): Snute
(Vote): Kas
(Vote): Lucifron
(Vote): MaNa
(Vote): HuK
(Vote): can't tell
Poll: TOP 10: Most underrated?NaNiWa (48) 27% Kas (33) 19% Lucifron (26) 15% MaNa (16) 9% Stephano (12) 7% HuK (10) 6% Nerchio (9) 5% can't tell (7) 4% Snute (6) 3% VortiX (5) 3% Scarlett (4) 2% 176 total votes Your vote: TOP 10: Most underrated? (Vote): Stephano
(Vote): Scarlett
(Vote): NaNiWa
(Vote): VortiX
(Vote): Nerchio
(Vote): Snute
(Vote): Kas
(Vote): Lucifron
(Vote): MaNa
(Vote): HuK
(Vote): can't tell
Poll: Rank 11-20: Most overrated?goswser (39) 26% SaSe (28) 18% TLO (27) 18% ThorZaiN (19) 13% Grubby (7) 5% sLivko (6) 4% SortOf (6) 4% Socke (6) 4% TitaN (5) 3% BabyKnight (5) 3% can't tell (4) 3% 152 total votes Your vote: Rank 11-20: Most overrated? (Vote): ThorZaiN
(Vote): Grubby
(Vote): Socke
(Vote): TLO
(Vote): SaSe
(Vote): SortOf
(Vote): TitaN
(Vote): BabyKnight
(Vote): sLivko
(Vote): goswser
(Vote): can't tell
Poll: Rank 11-20: Most underrated?BabyKnight (30) 22% ThorZaiN (28) 20% SaSe (17) 12% TLO (15) 11% Grubby (12) 9% goswser (12) 9% Socke (10) 7% sLivko (6) 4% TitaN (5) 4% can't tell (2) 1% SortOf (2) 1% 139 total votes Your vote: Rank 11-20: Most underrated? (Vote): ThorZaiN
(Vote): Grubby
(Vote): Socke
(Vote): TLO
(Vote): SaSe
(Vote): SortOf
(Vote): TitaN
(Vote): BabyKnight
(Vote): sLivko
(Vote): goswser
(Vote): can't tell
Poll: Rank 21-30: Most overrated?IdrA (82) 57% XlorD (23) 16% MajOr (10) 7% DeMusliM (9) 6% Suppy (8) 6% Bly (3) 2% can't tell (3) 2% LoWeLy (2) 1% monchi (2) 1% Fraer (1) 1% HasuObs (0) 0% 143 total votes Your vote: Rank 21-30: Most overrated? (Vote): MajOr
(Vote): DeMusliM
(Vote): Fraer
(Vote): Suppy
(Vote): IdrA
(Vote): LoWeLy
(Vote): HasuObs
(Vote): monchi
(Vote): XlorD
(Vote): Bly
(Vote): can't tell
Poll: Rank 21-30: Most underrated?MajOr (35) 28% DeMusliM (30) 24% XlorD (17) 14% IdrA (12) 10% Suppy (9) 7% HasuObs (9) 7% Fraer (5) 4% monchi (3) 2% Bly (2) 2% LoWeLy (2) 2% can't tell (1) 1% 125 total votes Your vote: Rank 21-30: Most underrated? (Vote): MajOr
(Vote): DeMusliM
(Vote): Fraer
(Vote): Suppy
(Vote): IdrA
(Vote): LoWeLy
(Vote): HasuObs
(Vote): monchi
(Vote): XlorD
(Vote): Bly
(Vote): can't tell
Poll: Who deserves Top30 the most?mOOnGlaDe (46) 35% Dimaga (16) 12% Minigun (9) 7% KiLLeR (8) 6% GoOdy (6) 5% elfi (6) 5% CatZ (6) 5% ViBe (6) 5% Ret (5) 4% White-Ra (5) 4% Illusion (3) 2% LiveZerg (3) 2% DieStar (2) 2% BratOK (2) 2% Masa (2) 2% Happy (1) 1% TT1 (1) 1% NightEnD (1) 1% Naama (1) 1% BeastyQt (1) 1% Feast (0) 0% 130 total votes Your vote: Who deserves Top30 the most? (Vote): Dimaga
(Vote): Ret
(Vote): mOOnGlaDe
(Vote): ViBe
(Vote): LiveZerg
(Vote): KiLLeR
(Vote): CatZ
(Vote): Happy
(Vote): BratOK
(Vote): BeastyQt
(Vote): Illusion
(Vote): Naama
(Vote): GoOdy
(Vote): Masa
(Vote): DieStar
(Vote): elfi
(Vote): NightEnD
(Vote): Feast
(Vote): White-Ra
(Vote): TT1
(Vote): Minigun
Poll: Who isnt even Top50?CatZ (40) 41% White-Ra (13) 13% TT1 (7) 7% Minigun (6) 6% GoOdy (5) 5% DieStar (5) 5% Masa (4) 4% Naama (3) 3% Ret (3) 3% Dimaga (2) 2% BeastyQt (2) 2% ViBe (2) 2% KiLLeR (2) 2% NightEnD (1) 1% elfi (1) 1% LiveZerg (1) 1% mOOnGlaDe (1) 1% Illusion (0) 0% Happy (0) 0% BratOK (0) 0% Feast (0) 0% 98 total votes Your vote: Who isnt even Top50? (Vote): Dimaga
(Vote): Ret
(Vote): mOOnGlaDe
(Vote): ViBe
(Vote): LiveZerg
(Vote): KiLLeR
(Vote): CatZ
(Vote): Happy
(Vote): BratOK
(Vote): BeastyQt
(Vote): Illusion
(Vote): Naama
(Vote): GoOdy
(Vote): Masa
(Vote): DieStar
(Vote): elfi
(Vote): NightEnD
(Vote): Feast
(Vote): White-Ra
(Vote): TT1
(Vote): Minigun
![[image loading]](http://www.abload.de/img/oldrankings40ken.png) March 2012April 2012May 2012June 2012July 2012August 2012September 2012October 2012November 2012December 2012 (1)December 2012 (2)![[image loading]](http://www.abload.de/img/otherv2k62.png) If u want explanation of why i ranked specific players as i did, simply write a comment in this thread. Giving an explanation for each and every player would be way too much work for me^^ Please tell ur friends, state ur opinion in this thread, rate the blog and upvote on reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/17thd5/top30_foreigner_ranking_january_2013/Also, take a look at the korean ranking from 00Visor: 00Visor's Top30 Koreans (January)Thanks, I hope u had a nice read! Last edit: 2013-02-04 04:04:31
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| | DiaBoLuS *** HotS Grandmaster level Protoss / 6x GM in WoL & Dota2 very high bracket pub player *** TOP 30 Foreigner Ranking (Blog) - http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=412415 *** |
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| davidjayhawk February 04 2013 04:14. Posts 14 | Profile # |
| Please don't link to your reddit thread asking for upvotes. It's against reddiquette and reddit site rules. |
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| StarVe Germany. February 04 2013 04:20. Posts 10114 | Profile # |
You still should put Pomi in the rank 30-50 Protosses imho, having White-Ra, TT1 and Minigun and then not listing Pomi is almost disrespectful. 
And even more than Pomi, you need Welmu.Last edit: 2013-02-04 04:28:56 |
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| TemujinGK Scotland. February 04 2013 04:30. Posts 423 | Profile Blog # |
On February 04 2013 04:14 davidjayhawk wrote:
Please don't link to your reddit thread asking for upvotes. It's against reddiquette and reddit site rules.
While this is true, reddiquette has died long ago. If you don't enforce the "down downvote based upon opinion, only on relevance" in your subreddit, it's hard to demand respect for other reddiquette tenants. |
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| davidjayhawk February 04 2013 04:33. Posts 14 | Profile # |
Reddiquette is not a set of enforced rules, they are suggested guidelines. Other's disregard for them is, in my opinion, not a valid reason to knowingly ignore them yourself.
But, as I said, it's against reddit site rules as well to ask others to go upvote your posts (site-wide admin rules, not subreddit mod rules).
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| Luepert United States. February 04 2013 04:36. Posts 1705 | Profile Blog # |
| I like how slivko is still on there after doing legit nothing. And Higher than Goswser, who 3-0'd MVP and almost beat life. |
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| Tosster Poland. February 04 2013 04:36. Posts 138 | Profile # |
| "- Tournament results of the past / Achievements." This should be exluded if you want to release monthly rankings. Also i know there is poll, but i must say it... Huk? Last edit: 2013-02-04 04:37:31 |
| | Another one bites the dust! Creator'Prime, MarineKing'Prime, SK'MC, Tt'White-Ra MMA, SKT T1 Parting and Grubby fan! |
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| ELA Denmark. February 04 2013 04:44. Posts 4567 | Profile # |
Fuck, I voted overrated player as underrated and underrated as overrated T.T
I dont wanna poll anymore |
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| MrFrenchy Canada. February 04 2013 04:55. Posts 35 | Profile # |
| I think Kas is too high and Major is too low. |
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 nomyx United States. February 04 2013 04:58. Posts 2203 | Profile # |
| Huk has a green -6 |
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| cchily13 February 04 2013 05:00. Posts 52 | Profile # |
| Really happy to see Masa up there, kids a sick player. |
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| Zealo Australia. February 04 2013 05:04. Posts 40 | Profile # |
| you have CatZ above Sen? :S |
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| StarVe Germany. February 04 2013 05:16. Posts 10114 | Profile # |
On February 04 2013 05:04 Zealo wrote:
you have CatZ above Sen? :S
When i talk about „Foreigners“, i exclude non-korean asian players (chinese, taiwanese), simply because I dont see enough of those scenes to rank them, and they dont participate in your regular major tournaments too often. So you may call it a „Western Foreigner Ranking“ if you so desire.
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| GenetiXSc2 United States. February 04 2013 05:38. Posts 2 | Profile # |
| i would prob knock MaNa Huk and Kas out of top ten and Replace them with Grubby, Socke, ThorZain. And Bump DeMusliM who is looking really Strong in HoTs so is ThorZain omg both are Clutch as Fuck IMO |
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| Fuell Netherlands. February 04 2013 05:43. Posts 795 | Profile # |
| Wow, EmpireHappy so underrated, that guy is a beast and he has 0 votes lol! He wipes most of top30. |
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| HyyeRforAiuR United States. February 04 2013 05:43. Posts 20 | Profile # |
On February 04 2013 05:04 Zealo wrote:
you have CatZ above Sen? :S
I don't think Sen is considered a foreigner really |
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| GregMandel France. February 04 2013 05:50. Posts 573 | Profile Blog # |
Imo Huk is barely top 30 ( don't ask me why, I never liked him as a player and as an individual even in liquid )
And grubby should be higher, probably 10th instead of Huk.
Also, dimaga should be top 30, even though I don't think he's got much results recently, I'd bet he can still take games to anyone in this top 30.
But otherwise I pretty much agree. That's a ton of zergs tho XD |
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| MountainGoat United States. February 04 2013 06:27. Posts 473 | Profile Blog # |
On February 04 2013 05:50 GregMandel wrote:
Imo Huk is barely top 30 ( don't ask me why, I never liked him as a player and as an individual even in liquid )
Power rankings aren't about whether or not you like them. |
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| Shellshock1122 United States. February 04 2013 06:32. Posts 39622 | Profile Blog # |
| I'm glad to see Goswser make the list. I expect him to start moving up in the next few months. He seems to be a solid rising talent. |
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| dsousa United States. February 04 2013 06:37. Posts 962 | Profile # |
I think this is a well put together list, it is really hard to find many faults with it.
That being said, I was just thinking what an overall sad state the Foreign scene in SC2 has become. Stephano is two notches above everyone else on that list and even he can't get playing time in Proleague or advance in the GSL.
By the time you get to double digits on the foreigner list, you're talking about people who CANNOT even make GM on the Korean ladder.
Foreigners need to step it up, otherwise Hots is going to flounder.....Last edit: 2013-02-04 06:40:30 |
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