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 ghermination Croatia. September 01 2009 11:03. Posts 1655 | Profile Blog |
Okay. So i just had this infuriating conversation with my ex-girlfriend
Basically, she, after abusing nearly every possible sort of psychoactive drug with me, now says that she "looks down" on drugs and drug users.
She called me to say happy birthday and we got into this long drawn out argument about my drug use, and eventually she said "Why is that (psychoactive culture overall) important to you."
So in a long, philosophically drawn out way, here is what i explained to her:
There seems to be some sort of... repression of psychoactives in our modern culture. Mushrooms wrote the Bible. Marijuana and LSD created the 70's in America. DXM is becoming an outlet for expression for thousands of people all over the world. For some reason we've come to this belief that "Psychoactives are bad." And propaganda distributed by governments all over the world continues to drive that belief home in millions (if not billions) or perfectly intelligent people. However, as in the examples i explained earlier, when a psychoactive becomes an important part of a culture, it always changes things in (relatively arguably) good ways.
The fact is that the ability to change how you think, feel, see, touch, smell, and hear things holds amazing value for so many people around the world. Be it a struggling artist or a person driven to the brink of suicide by depression, psychoactives have an incredibly ability to inspire and cause great revelation. Culturally, they have the ability to create entire new ways of thinking which are (once again, arguably) improved from those we create in our own logical ways.
Although it sounds rather egotistical, i've always considered myself pretty intelligent. I have a nearly photogenic memory and so bits and pieces of information have been my life for as long as i could remember. When i was 12 and i discovered Marijuana, it changed things in an amazing way for me. I used to be bored and in contempt of a lot of the things in life, and i felt that i was superior to them. However a new way of thinking showed me that there were so many other things in life that seemed to be right for me, and that i hadn't seen them before. Marijuana started it all, and after that i was on the internet constantly (keep in mind this was 1999, 18.8kbps connection ftw) researching everything i could. Before i was 18, i'd tried things most seasoned drug veterans hadn't. I'd shot up heroin in a back alley in Seattle. I'd bought PCP at the high class gated community of Semiahmoo. Not only were psychoactives an integral part of my beliefs, but they were also some of the strongest experiences of my life.
In my quest for self exploration, i've discovered a lot of things about myself and the world. After i graduated from highschool, my father called and offered to fly me back to Croatia to live with him for awhile (a place i vaguely remembered, having not lived there since before primary school). My old self would have said no, and would have stuck with what was concrete. However, once again, psychoactives had tought me that different things were often far better.
Because of moving here, i've created my career, nearly graduated from college, found the woman who will hopefully be my wife, and created more memories and good times than i could possibly have imagined.
I'm more knowledgeable in the subject of "Drugs" than any other dealer i have ever met, American or Croat. I've based a lot of my life around the philosophical and scientific exploration of psychoactives and how they effect us both on a micro and macro level. A lot of the time i feel like a walking, talking Erowid. All these experiences, all these memories, and so many of my values, all stem from one group of chemicals which i can't even begin to classify. In my "journeys", i've discovered that there is even an entire subculture of people exactly like me, who share the same beliefs. They live just beneath the surface, underneath the casual halo=playing brosefs who party with a 40 and act hardcore because they tried shrooms once. They are the mild mannered psychoactive super heroes, and there are more of them than you think.
Consider that all of this is in my head, constantly, as a part of my life which could as easily be seperated from me as my heart or soul.
So basically, thats why it's so important to me.
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 Xeofreestyler Belgium. September 01 2009 11:25. Posts 5739 | Profile Blog |
Happy birthday bro, and nice blog.
I agree that its saddening how many people look down upon drug use. Usually because of misinformation or just sheer ignorance  Too many people think that using = abusing. There can be amazing things in moderation people! |
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 BanZu United States. September 01 2009 11:26. Posts 2679 | Profile Blog |
On September 01 2009 11:03 ghermination wrote:
Mushrooms wrote the Bible.
Stopped after that. |
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 Manifesto7 Osaka. September 01 2009 11:29. Posts 17680 | Profile Blog |
"nearly photogenic memory"
I have a nearly photogenic face.
After you gave this explanation to her, what was her reaction? Also, you attribute many of your experiences to the drugs, do you think you would have had positive experiences and memories otherwise? Not the same ones, but different ones?
"Be it a struggling artist or a person driven to the brink of suicide by depression, psychoactives have an incredibly ability to inspire and cause great revelation."
On the flip side, do you not think that drugs have taken people into depression or suicide as well?
I'm not passing judgement, I'm just wondering about the other side of the coin. |
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| ghermination Croatia. September 01 2009 11:30. Posts 1655 | Profile Blog |
On September 01 2009 11:26 BanZu wrote:Stopped after that.
1. There is proof that Judaistic scholars who are thought to have written the bible at least had the means to use mushrooms, considering how many of them grow in the area, and there is evidence that they did use them.
2. Mushrooms were viewed, culturally, at the time, as something that aided in meditation, and a lot of other works were composed using mushrooms and other "spiritual aids" at that time period.
A bias is a bad thing to bring with you to the internet. If you ask me to provide sources i will, but i'm too lazy to google them up atm. |
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| CharlieMurphy United States. September 01 2009 11:31. Posts 17055 | Profile Blog |
On September 01 2009 11:26 BanZu wrote:Stopped after that.
lol pretty much me too, where do you get this from?
edit- well that is a pretty big speculation, like all things to do with ancient times or religion. You can't just state it as a fact like you did. For all we know Jesus never even existed.Last edit: 2009-09-01 11:32:30 |
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| ghermination Croatia. September 01 2009 11:32. Posts 1655 | Profile Blog |
On September 01 2009 11:29 Manifesto7 wrote:
"nearly photogenic memory"
I have a nearly photogenic face.
After you gave this explanation to her, what was her reaction? Also, you attribute many of your experiences to the drugs, do you think you would have had positive experiences and memories otherwise? Not the same ones, but different ones?
"Be it a struggling artist or a person driven to the brink of suicide by depression, psychoactives have an incredibly ability to inspire and cause great revelation."
On the flip side, do you not think that drugs have taken people into depression or suicide as well?
I'm not passing judgement, I'm just wondering about the other side of the coin.
Lol that was a good typo =x
I assume that i would have had good memories had i the means to seek them out, but i believe that drugs gave me the ability to do so. Therefore, without drugs, i wouldn't have created very many positive memories sitting at home being all angsty and thinking about how stupid everyone else was.
Yes, i do believe that people have been driven to depression and suicide by psychoactives, just as they have been by midterms, marriage, poker, video games, work, and just about anything else you can possibly think of. |
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| ghermination Croatia. September 01 2009 11:33. Posts 1655 | Profile Blog |
On September 01 2009 11:32 ghermination wrote:
Show nested quote +On September 01 2009 11:29 Manifesto7 wrote:
"nearly photogenic memory"
I have a nearly photogenic face.
After you gave this explanation to her, what was her reaction? Also, you attribute many of your experiences to the drugs, do you think you would have had positive experiences and memories otherwise? Not the same ones, but different ones?
"Be it a struggling artist or a person driven to the brink of suicide by depression, psychoactives have an incredibly ability to inspire and cause great revelation."
On the flip side, do you not think that drugs have taken people into depression or suicide as well?
I'm not passing judgement, I'm just wondering about the other side of the coin.
Lol that was a good typo =x I assume that i would have had good memories had i the means to seek them out, but i believe that drugs gave me the ability to do so. Therefore, without drugs, i wouldn't have created very many positive memories sitting at home being all angsty and thinking about how stupid everyone else was. Yes, i do believe that people have been driven to depression and suicide by psychoactives, just as they have been by midterms, marriage, poker, video games, work, and just about anything else you can possibly think of.
On September 01 2009 11:31 CharlieMurphy wrote:
Show nested quote +On September 01 2009 11:26 BanZu wrote:
On September 01 2009 11:03 ghermination wrote:
Mushrooms wrote the Bible.
Stopped after that.
lol pretty much me too, where do you get this from? edit- well that is a pretty big speculation, like all things to do with ancient times or religion. You can't just state it as a fact like you did. For all we know Jesus never even existed.
Refer to my above post. I was posting that assuming that people would at least have knowledge of the evidence i was referencing. |
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 Koiru United States. September 01 2009 11:34. Posts 28 | Profile |
I don't  Really have a problem with people and their drugs but suggesting psychoactive drugs are going to change cultures in good ways if everyone started taking them is a bit ridiculous. The reason I think this is because if people start taking them en masse just to escape from any of their problems or stress, they really won't grow as human beings since I would say it usually takes conflict to grow. A land of stagnant minds caught up in pretty colors and altered perceptions won't be productive or efficient. Also, if something became so widespread and popular don't even try to bullshit anyone saying "Well people wouldn't take them during work hours, they'd be serious then." because we all know that wouldn't be true. I don't need my construction workers and crane operators tripping on LSD while they're supposed to be working.
I also have a question. Why/what is the appeal of changing your personality, living in a different world, not being you, etc.? I do not take or use any drugs whatsoever so I'm obviously not an expert and take whatever I say with a grain of salt, but I just don't see what the point is other than to escape from how you're currently feeling or your life situation that you're in. Yes, many people have fucked up lives and serious problems, but not the majority of drug users. It just seems like pussying out to me. I don't need to get high just to live with myself.
Yes people do it for fun or whatever but it still seems like a waste of time and money.
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sitting at home being all angsty and thinking about how stupid everyone else was.
isn't this what's called "being a teenager"??Last edit: 2009-09-01 11:36:30 |
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| CharlieMurphy United States. September 01 2009 11:35. Posts 17055 | Profile Blog |
| Well I disagree 100% with your mushroom theory and raise you aliens wrote it theory. Now what? |
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| ghermination Croatia. September 01 2009 11:36. Posts 1655 | Profile Blog |
On September 01 2009 11:35 CharlieMurphy wrote:
Well I disagree 100% with your mushroom theory and raise you aliens wrote it theory. Now what?
My answer is simple: Jews did WTC.
On September 01 2009 11:34 Koiru wrote:I don't Really have a problem with people and their drugs but suggesting psychoactive drugs are going to change cultures in good ways if everyone started taking them is a bit ridiculous. The reason I think this is because if people start taking them en masse just to escape from any of their problems or stress, they really won't grow as human beings since I would say it usually takes conflict to grow. A land of stagnant minds caught up in pretty colors and altered perceptions won't be productive or efficient. Also, if something became so widespread and popular don't even try to bullshit anyone saying "Well people wouldn't take them during work hours, they'd be serious then." because we all know that wouldn't be true. I don't need my construction workers and crane operators tripping on LSD while they're supposed to be working. I also have a question. Why/what is the appeal of changing your personality, living in a different world, not being you, etc.? I do not take or use any drugs whatsoever so I'm obviously not an expert and take whatever I say with a grain of salt, but I just don't see what the point is other than to escape from how you're currently feeling or your life situation that you're in. Yes, many people have fucked up lives and serious problems, but not the majority of drug users. It just seems like pussying out to me. I don't need to get high just to live with myself. Yes people do it for fun or whatever but it still seems like a waste of time and money. EDIT:
Show nested quote +sitting at home being all angsty and thinking about how stupid everyone else was.
isn't this what's called "being a teenager"??
Escapism is a very real problem today. People use all sorts of things to escape from their problems, and it is often condoned in the media. Every time you hear of "stress relief" that is basically someone escaping from their problem. I'm not attacking your semantics, but i think your point is invalid because everyone does it with other things anyway.
As for your second point, i think you are applying our current non-tolerant culture to my ideals. For example, in my perfect culture, where psychoactives are legal, peoples responsibilities will be seperate from their psychoactive use. For example, you have to go to a special dispensary to obtain your psychoactive. These will somehow have an open line of communication with your employer and while preserving the rest of your privacy, this system will work to stop people from coming to the job impaired. For example, if you buy some LSD at 10 AM, you will have to use a special government issued card. The dispensary will record your card number and then send a notice to your work that you bought it at that time. Your employer is then obligated to ask you if you're under the influence of the LSD, and if you are there are consequences (i.e. you get fired).
A lot of things would be like this. Obviously just legalizing everything right nwo wouldn't work, BUT, with adaptations it wouldn't.Last edit: 2009-09-01 11:47:46 |
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 Polar_Nada United States. September 01 2009 11:39. Posts 253 | Profile |
| i thought drugs are too expensive and screw ur brain up O.o |
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| CharlieMurphy United States. September 01 2009 11:40. Posts 17055 | Profile Blog |
no but I am serious, There is countless scenarios and stories and translations that = to aliens. Biggest examples being the moving star in bethlehem and Elijah the prophet/saint who was abducted by chariots of fire from the heavens in a whirlwind.
Also tons of artworks of UFOs including egyptian and aztec cultures as well.Last edit: 2009-09-01 11:43:26 |
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 scwizard United States. September 01 2009 11:44. Posts 1110 | Profile |
Some drugs have given people some very negative experiences. I think that's part of the reason they're taboo, a lot of people have trouble differentiating between bad drugs and good drugs.
Also you have to remember that opium was a social problem back in the days.
There are quite a few reasons I don't do drugs. The main one though is $$$
Re: CharlieMurphy
There are countless stories that link jews to the WTC attacks. Such as the phone calls that Jews got telling them to stay home blah blah blah
If you're going to say something like that, post a link at least lol  Last edit: 2009-09-01 11:47:04 |
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| Kiarip United States. September 01 2009 11:47. Posts 92 | Profile |
ignoring this paragraph:
There seems to be some sort of... repression of psychoactives in our modern culture. Mushrooms wrote the Bible. Marijuana and LSD created the 70's in America. DXM is becoming an outlet for expression for thousands of people all over the world. For some reason we've come to this belief that "Psychoactives are bad." And propaganda distributed by governments all over the world continues to drive that belief home in millions (if not billions) or perfectly intelligent people. However, as in the examples i explained earlier, when a psychoactive becomes an important part of a culture, it always changes things in (relatively arguably) good ways.
Your defense for using drugs is that if you didn't use them your life would be different O_o? I would agree with this statement, but I don't see how it serves as a defense (not to imply that you necessarily need a defense.)
I don't really have anything against these types of drug users, because I, myself am a believer in the clause "Reality is what's in your head," but I would assume that any drug that affects your way of thinking in this way has at least some chronic side-effects (obviously insignificant without overuse, but still existent.) So I personally probably won't take them ever.
Plus you never know which way these things are gonna swing your personality, so it seems like a serious risk if you take them for this purpose.
I would trust myself to turn my life/personality/views when I'm sober a lot more so than when I'm under the effect of one of these things, and to be honest I just don't see a plausible explanation for someone wanting to do it the other way around. |
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| ghermination Croatia. September 01 2009 11:49. Posts 1655 | Profile Blog |
On September 01 2009 11:40 CharlieMurphy wrote:
no but I am serious, There is countless scenarios and stories and translations that = to aliens. Biggest examples being the moving star in bethlehem and Elijah the prophet/saint who was abducted by chariots of fire from the heavens in a whirlwind.
Also tons of artworks of UFOs including egyptian and aztec cultures as well.
I was also being semi-serious, while i agree that Aliens and Jews and Mushrooms are all perfectly acceptable explanations for something we know nothing about, in this case i was using my opinion and belief that, via the evidence i've seen, the bible was writted by people who were at least inspired by mushrooms. |
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| ghermination Croatia. September 01 2009 11:53. Posts 1655 | Profile Blog |
On September 01 2009 11:47 Kiarip wrote:ignoring this paragraph:
Show nested quote +
There seems to be some sort of... repression of psychoactives in our modern culture. Mushrooms wrote the Bible. Marijuana and LSD created the 70's in America. DXM is becoming an outlet for expression for thousands of people all over the world. For some reason we've come to this belief that "Psychoactives are bad." And propaganda distributed by governments all over the world continues to drive that belief home in millions (if not billions) or perfectly intelligent people. However, as in the examples i explained earlier, when a psychoactive becomes an important part of a culture, it always changes things in (relatively arguably) good ways.
Your defense for using drugs is that if you didn't use them your life would be different O_o? I would agree with this statement, but I don't see how it serves as a defense (not to imply that you necessarily need a defense.) I don't really have anything against these types of drug users, because I, myself am a believer in the clause "Reality is what's in your head," but I would assume that any drug that affects your way of thinking in this way has at least some chronic side-effects (obviously insignificant without overuse, but still existent.) So I personally probably won't take them ever. Plus you never know which way these things are gonna swing your personality, so it seems like a serious risk if you take them for this purpose. I would trust myself to turn my life/personality/views when I'm sober a lot more so than when I'm under the effect of one of these things, and to be honest I just don't see a plausible explanation for someone wanting to do it the other way around.
Yes, its probably a very personal thing. However i definitely know how much these things have changed my life. Also a lot of the negative side effects are greatly exaggerated. For example, remember that whole "one joint = 20 cigarettes" bullshit, when now its being shown that marijuana is an effective preventative to cancer? Admittedly PCP would be a bad example to use because people DO go crazy on it and HAVE done things (such as eating their sons eyes) but i've done pcp myself at least 7-10 times, and with a good amount of other people, and most of the time we just kind of sat there and tripped balls, while a few times we wandered around and had completely nonsensical conversations. Remember that PCP is like super-dxm, and basically when some people who were already unstable reach the state equal to "plateau sigma" that can be reached on DXM, they will snap. I think it takes a certain degree of mental instability to snap and enter psychosis on PCP, just as i think it would take a certain amount of instability for any drug to trigger latent psychological disorders within you.
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 Jayme United States. September 01 2009 11:53. Posts 2155 | Profile |
On September 01 2009 11:34 Koiru wrote:I don't Really have a problem with people and their drugs but suggesting psychoactive drugs are going to change cultures in good ways if everyone started taking them is a bit ridiculous. The reason I think this is because if people start taking them en masse just to escape from any of their problems or stress, they really won't grow as human beings since I would say it usually takes conflict to grow. Aug users. It just seems like pussying out to me. I don't need to get high just to live with myself. Yes people do it for fun or whatever but it still seems like a waste of time and money.
Every time I hear a doomsday theory I scoff. People look at drug addicts that sacrifice their lives to the drug and act like that's the standard when it really really isn't. It's the most VISIBLE and hence people associate that with drug use.
There is something called moderation that while some people lack is a boon for people that just like to chill every once in a while
I'm not a big drug user, I've only really done weed, XtC, and LSD but I have enough self control not to do those every freaking day. In fact it's more of a once every three months type of thing because... well it's fun.
People look down on me as if I'm that guy on the street corner playing tricks for some crack. It's just not the same thing.
sitting at home being all angsty and thinking about how stupid everyone else was.
isn't this what's called "being a teenager"??
No it's called being angsty and thinking about how stupid everyone else is. Teenagers as a whole are more diverse then that. |
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| Licmyobelisk Philippines. September 01 2009 11:54. Posts 1037 | Profile Blog |
| For me drugs are actually better if used recreationally rather than getting addicted to it and shrooms are used by Mario to get buffer |
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| ghermination Croatia. September 01 2009 11:56. Posts 1655 | Profile Blog |
On September 01 2009 11:53 Jayme wrote:
No it's called being angsty and thinking about how stupid everyone else is. Teenagers as a whole are more diverse then that.
When i first read that, i checked your profile to see if you were 13-16, and instead found a picture which i will be staring at the next time i trip on acid. |
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