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| KurtistheTurtle United States. October 15 2009 15:19. Posts 1786 | Profile Blog # |
| Also rule to #1: the line cannot cross over itself |
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| SnowFantasy October 15 2009 15:24. Posts 3653 | Profile Blog # |
| pretty sure #1 is impossible |
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| Caller Poland. October 15 2009 15:26. Posts 7265 | Profile Blog # | |
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| KurtistheTurtle United States. October 15 2009 15:28. Posts 1786 | Profile Blog # |
On October 15 2009 15:26 Caller wrote: pretty easy
start from the center and draw lines squiggly through all the middle segments then draw parabolic curves touching each segment at one sole point (i.e. tangent)
i thought of this too. my sister is going crazy trying to solve this and she said that doesnt count, it actually has to go through |
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| Ryan307 :) United States. October 15 2009 15:30. Posts 1284 | Profile Blog # | |
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motbob United States. October 15 2009 15:30. Posts 11467 | Profile Blog # |
On October 15 2009 15:28 KurtistheTurtle wrote: Show nested quote +On October 15 2009 15:26 Caller wrote: pretty easy
start from the center and draw lines squiggly through all the middle segments then draw parabolic curves touching each segment at one sole point (i.e. tangent)
i thought of this too. my sister is going crazy trying to solve this and she said that doesnt count, it actually has to go through
Why would you go crazy trying to solve something which is probably impossible? |
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| KurtistheTurtle United States. October 15 2009 15:32. Posts 1786 | Profile Blog # |
On October 15 2009 15:30 Ryan307 wrote:I think I got it~
you missed one, middle line second horizontal segment from the left |
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| Ryan307 :) United States. October 15 2009 15:33. Posts 1284 | Profile Blog # |
oh fuck you're right lol.
then I give up. |
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Divinek Canada. October 15 2009 16:14. Posts 4016 | Profile Blog # |
Yeah that's a graph theory problem. Yeah that's not doable.
Just look at this basic example
Take the top left square, there are 5 edges that you must cross. The only way to do this without crossing an edge twice is to start from INSIDE the square. So that's doable, but now you must start from outside the upper right square, and cross all the edges without crossing one twice. You can't do it.
Also i feel bad for your sister because this only takes a minute tops of reasoning it out instead of trying random paths.Last edit: 2009-10-15 16:16:28 |
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| d3_crescentia United States. October 15 2009 16:17. Posts 3664 | Profile Blog # |
| Yeah read the wiki article - it pretty much explains it there. |
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| Lemonwalrus United States. October 15 2009 16:18. Posts 5445 | Profile Blog # |
| @Divinek: If it is a well known problem for which a new type of problem solving was developed to solve it...then it isn't just 'a minute tops of reasoning it out' that most people take to solve it. Last edit: 2009-10-15 16:19:20 |
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| EtherealDeath United States. October 15 2009 16:19. Posts 8155 | Profile Blog # |
| It doesn't seem possible: unless I miscounted, there are 4 edges of odd degree, which means there is no Eulerian walk for this problem. |
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| kOre Canada. October 15 2009 16:19. Posts 3617 | Profile Blog # |
So simple and so close lol
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| EtherealDeath United States. October 15 2009 16:23. Posts 8155 | Profile Blog # |
On October 15 2009 16:14 Divinek wrote: Yeah that's a graph theory problem. Yeah that's not doable.
Just look at this basic example
Take the top left square, there are 5 edges that you must cross. The only way to do this without crossing an edge twice is to start from INSIDE the square. So that's doable, but now you must start from outside the upper right square, and cross all the edges without crossing one twice. You can't do it.
Also i feel bad for your sister because this only takes a minute tops of reasoning it out instead of trying random paths.
That is not true. Leave the top left square, but change the top right square so that it has only 2 interior edges, while not changing the rest of the squares (somehow), and the problem is now solveable. It's not that the top left square has 5 edges that is the problem, because then you have exactly two edges of odd degree (note that there are 11 possible edge destinations from each corner edge that faces the outside white space). Then, since the top right also has two edges of odd degree, you end up with 4 total edges of odd degree, which at THAT point makes the problem impossible. |
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Divinek Canada. October 15 2009 16:24. Posts 4016 | Profile Blog # |
On October 15 2009 16:18 Lemonwalrus wrote: @Divinek: If it is a well known problem for which a new type of problem solving was developed to solve it...then it isn't just 'a minute tops of reasoning it out' that most people take to solve it.
seems pretty obvious that there cant be a solution just from what i said. You cant even get past that part so there's no part even fiddling with the rest.
On October 15 2009 16:23 EtherealDeath wrote: Show nested quote +On October 15 2009 16:14 Divinek wrote: Yeah that's a graph theory problem. Yeah that's not doable.
Just look at this basic example
Take the top left square, there are 5 edges that you must cross. The only way to do this without crossing an edge twice is to start from INSIDE the square. So that's doable, but now you must start from outside the upper right square, and cross all the edges without crossing one twice. You can't do it.
Also i feel bad for your sister because this only takes a minute tops of reasoning it out instead of trying random paths.
That is not true. Leave the top left square, but change the top right square so that it has only 2 interior edges, while not changing the rest of the squares (somehow), and the problem is now solveable. It's not that the top left square has 5 edges that is the problem, because then you have exactly two edges of odd degree (note that there are 11 possible edge destinations from each corner edge that faces the outside white space). Then, since the top right also has two edges of odd degree, you end up with 4 total edges of odd degree, which at THAT point makes the problem impossible.
That's what i said v_v. If you use them in combination like that. Though the way that paragraph started it did seem i was talking about only the one thing isolated.Last edit: 2009-10-15 16:28:07 |
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| Lemonwalrus United States. October 15 2009 16:26. Posts 5445 | Profile Blog # |
On October 15 2009 16:24 Divinek wrote: Show nested quote +On October 15 2009 16:18 Lemonwalrus wrote: @Divinek: If it is a well known problem for which a new type of problem solving was developed to solve it...then it isn't just 'a minute tops of reasoning it out' that most people take to solve it.
seems pretty obvious that there cant be a solution just from what i said. You cant even get past that part so there's no part even fiddling with the rest.
I'm just saying implying someone is stupid for not immediately realizing the solution to a problem that is so troublesome it lead to the development of a new type of problem solving is kinda lame. |
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Divinek Canada. October 15 2009 16:27. Posts 4016 | Profile Blog # |
On October 15 2009 16:26 Lemonwalrus wrote: Show nested quote +On October 15 2009 16:24 Divinek wrote: On October 15 2009 16:18 Lemonwalrus wrote: @Divinek: If it is a well known problem for which a new type of problem solving was developed to solve it...then it isn't just 'a minute tops of reasoning it out' that most people take to solve it.
seems pretty obvious that there cant be a solution just from what i said. You cant even get past that part so there's no part even fiddling with the rest.
I'm just saying implying someone is stupid for not immediately realizing the solution to a problem that is so troublesome it lead to the development of a new type of problem solving is kinda lame.
I didn't imply she's stupid, i just felt bad that the problem was driving her nuts. I mean the way she tried it is by far way way funner. I'm sure she could reason it out the same way if she didn't try a brute force method. |
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| EtherealDeath United States. October 15 2009 16:27. Posts 8155 | Profile Blog # |
On October 15 2009 16:24 Divinek wrote: Show nested quote +On October 15 2009 16:18 Lemonwalrus wrote: @Divinek: If it is a well known problem for which a new type of problem solving was developed to solve it...then it isn't just 'a minute tops of reasoning it out' that most people take to solve it.
seems pretty obvious that there cant be a solution just from what i said. You cant even get past that part so there's no part even fiddling with the rest. Show nested quote +On October 15 2009 16:23 EtherealDeath wrote: On October 15 2009 16:14 Divinek wrote: Yeah that's a graph theory problem. Yeah that's not doable.
Just look at this basic example
Take the top left square, there are 5 edges that you must cross. The only way to do this without crossing an edge twice is to start from INSIDE the square. So that's doable, but now you must start from outside the upper right square, and cross all the edges without crossing one twice. You can't do it.
Also i feel bad for your sister because this only takes a minute tops of reasoning it out instead of trying random paths.
That is not true. Leave the top left square, but change the top right square so that it has only 2 interior edges, while not changing the rest of the squares (somehow), and the problem is now solveable. It's not that the top left square has 5 edges that is the problem, because then you have exactly two edges of odd degree (note that there are 11 possible edge destinations from each corner edge that faces the outside white space). Then, since the top right also has two edges of odd degree, you end up with 4 total edges of odd degree, which at THAT point makes the problem impossible.
That's what i said v_v. If you use them in combination like that. Though the way that paragraph started it did mean i was talking about only the one thing isolated.
Oh haha misread, interpreted what you typed the wrong way for some reason. 3:27 am ftl. |
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| Ota Solgryn Denmark. October 15 2009 16:28. Posts 1266 | Profile Blog # |
| Could you maybe go inside the walls. This way you wont cross the wall but can use it for transport. |
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