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 KurtistheTurtle   United States. October 15 2009 15:16. Posts 1786
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Two problems for me to solve over the weekend:

1. Here's a problem I've been trying to solve. I haven't figured it out yet. You start with this:

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The goal is to go through each line segment once. You can't go through the same one twice, and you may start wherever you like. One continuous line.Here's an example with the wrong part circled
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2. I'm back in my hometown on break from college. My friends attending community college are bored as shit. None of us are 21, and I wanna do something with them to shake things up. Nothing illegal unless its hard to get caught. Open to ideas

my thoughts so far are ranging from:
triple-date w/ random girls
golfing off of various roofs
prank war with somebody

but its cold as shit and rainy outside, so outside ideas are gonna have to be cancelled. We don't know enough people in town to have a good party, and we don't know anybody over 21 who we could reasonably ask to get us anything. After my taser incident I'm not sure I wanna drink either

open to ideas. anything and everything will be considered except obvious trolling


you've been dead since the moment you were born.
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 KurtistheTurtle   United States. October 15 2009 15:19. Posts 1786
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Also rule to #1: the line cannot cross over itself
you've been dead since the moment you were born.
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 SnowFantasy   October 15 2009 15:24. Posts 3653
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pretty sure #1 is impossible
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 Caller   Poland. October 15 2009 15:26. Posts 7265
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pretty easy

start from the center and draw lines squiggly through all the middle segments
then draw parabolic curves touching each segment at one sole point (i.e. tangent)

qed

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 KurtistheTurtle   United States. October 15 2009 15:28. Posts 1786
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On October 15 2009 15:26 Caller wrote:
pretty easy

start from the center and draw lines squiggly through all the middle segments
then draw parabolic curves touching each segment at one sole point (i.e. tangent)


i thought of this too. my sister is going crazy trying to solve this and she said that doesnt count, it actually has to go through
you've been dead since the moment you were born.
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 Ryan307 :)   United States. October 15 2009 15:30. Posts 1284
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[image loading]


I think I got it~
Dont let the action of factual things fracture your casual swing
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  motbob   United States. October 15 2009 15:30. Posts 11467Profile Blog # 

On October 15 2009 15:28 KurtistheTurtle wrote:

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i thought of this too. my sister is going crazy trying to solve this and she said that doesnt count, it actually has to go through

Why would you go crazy trying to solve something which is probably impossible?
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 KurtistheTurtle   United States. October 15 2009 15:32. Posts 1786
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On October 15 2009 15:30 Ryan307 wrote:
[image loading]


I think I got it~

you missed one, middle line second horizontal segment from the left
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 Ryan307 :)   United States. October 15 2009 15:33. Posts 1284
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oh fuck you're right lol.

then I give up.
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  Divinek   Canada. October 15 2009 16:14. Posts 4016Profile Blog # 
Yeah that's a graph theory problem. Yeah that's not doable.

Just look at this basic example

Take the top left square, there are 5 edges that you must cross. The only way to do this without crossing an edge twice is to start from INSIDE the square. So that's doable, but now you must start from outside the upper right square, and cross all the edges without crossing one twice. You can't do it.

Also i feel bad for your sister because this only takes a minute tops of reasoning it out instead of trying random paths.
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 d3_crescentia   United States. October 15 2009 16:17. Posts 3664
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Yeah read the wiki article - it pretty much explains it there.
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 Lemonwalrus   United States. October 15 2009 16:18. Posts 5445
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@Divinek: If it is a well known problem for which a new type of problem solving was developed to solve it...then it isn't just 'a minute tops of reasoning it out' that most people take to solve it.
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 EtherealDeath   United States. October 15 2009 16:19. Posts 8155
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It doesn't seem possible: unless I miscounted, there are 4 edges of odd degree, which means there is no Eulerian walk for this problem.
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 kOre   Canada. October 15 2009 16:19. Posts 3617
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So simple and so close lol

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 EtherealDeath   United States. October 15 2009 16:23. Posts 8155
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On October 15 2009 16:14 Divinek wrote:
Yeah that's a graph theory problem. Yeah that's not doable.

Just look at this basic example

Take the top left square, there are 5 edges that you must cross. The only way to do this without crossing an edge twice is to start from INSIDE the square. So that's doable, but now you must start from outside the upper right square, and cross all the edges without crossing one twice. You can't do it.

Also i feel bad for your sister because this only takes a minute tops of reasoning it out instead of trying random paths.



That is not true. Leave the top left square, but change the top right square so that it has only 2 interior edges, while not changing the rest of the squares (somehow), and the problem is now solveable. It's not that the top left square has 5 edges that is the problem, because then you have exactly two edges of odd degree (note that there are 11 possible edge destinations from each corner edge that faces the outside white space). Then, since the top right also has two edges of odd degree, you end up with 4 total edges of odd degree, which at THAT point makes the problem impossible.
SC2: Kasu.767 ////////// Dota 2: 1a2a3a
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  Divinek   Canada. October 15 2009 16:24. Posts 4016Profile Blog # 

On October 15 2009 16:18 Lemonwalrus wrote:
@Divinek: If it is a well known problem for which a new type of problem solving was developed to solve it...then it isn't just 'a minute tops of reasoning it out' that most people take to solve it.


seems pretty obvious that there cant be a solution just from what i said. You cant even get past that part so there's no part even fiddling with the rest.


On October 15 2009 16:23 EtherealDeath wrote:

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That is not true. Leave the top left square, but change the top right square so that it has only 2 interior edges, while not changing the rest of the squares (somehow), and the problem is now solveable. It's not that the top left square has 5 edges that is the problem, because then you have exactly two edges of odd degree (note that there are 11 possible edge destinations from each corner edge that faces the outside white space). Then, since the top right also has two edges of odd degree, you end up with 4 total edges of odd degree, which at THAT point makes the problem impossible.



That's what i said v_v. If you use them in combination like that. Though the way that paragraph started it did seem i was talking about only the one thing isolated.
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 Lemonwalrus   United States. October 15 2009 16:26. Posts 5445
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On October 15 2009 16:24 Divinek wrote:

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seems pretty obvious that there cant be a solution just from what i said. You cant even get past that part so there's no part even fiddling with the rest.

I'm just saying implying someone is stupid for not immediately realizing the solution to a problem that is so troublesome it lead to the development of a new type of problem solving is kinda lame.
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  Divinek   Canada. October 15 2009 16:27. Posts 4016Profile Blog # 

On October 15 2009 16:26 Lemonwalrus wrote:

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I'm just saying implying someone is stupid for not immediately realizing the solution to a problem that is so troublesome it lead to the development of a new type of problem solving is kinda lame.


I didn't imply she's stupid, i just felt bad that the problem was driving her nuts. I mean the way she tried it is by far way way funner.
I'm sure she could reason it out the same way if she didn't try a brute force method.
Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
Oh goodness me, FOX tv where do you get your sight? Can't you keep track, the puck is black. That's why the ice is white.
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 EtherealDeath   United States. October 15 2009 16:27. Posts 8155
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On October 15 2009 16:24 Divinek wrote:

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seems pretty obvious that there cant be a solution just from what i said. You cant even get past that part so there's no part even fiddling with the rest.


Show nested quote +




That's what i said v_v. If you use them in combination like that. Though the way that paragraph started it did mean i was talking about only the one thing isolated.


Oh haha misread, interpreted what you typed the wrong way for some reason. 3:27 am ftl.
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 Ota Solgryn   Denmark. October 15 2009 16:28. Posts 1266
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Could you maybe go inside the walls. This way you wont cross the wall but can use it for transport.
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