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 sumi United States. November 04 2009 02:37. Posts 23 | Profile Blog |
Hi! So I'm looking to build a new computer in the near future, as my current one is very old and cannot run anything that's coming out lately.
My problem is that I haven't been following ANYTHING at all in terms of models/what's good/what companies are making good products these days, so I'm looking for your help!
I'm looking to spend around $500-$700, nothing too major, just a decent computer that will be able to run new games for the next few years, hopefully giving me the best bang for the buck.
I'm seriously very clueless on anything at all that is out right now in the current market, so if anyone could help out by suggesting some good budget parts that equal my price range I would love you forever! I'm competent on how to build computers, just haven't been keeping up with the market. ;p
(As a side note, I'd generally like to avoid ATI for videocards, and I'd prefer AMD over Intel but I don't really mind either way. I also don't need harddrive/case/keyboard/mouse things, basically just all the core parts, CPU, mobo, videocard, PSU, RAM.)
I'll also edit this or make a new blog with a list of things that I've found for what I want to build, which I'm going to start doing right now as I wait for people's replies!
Thanks a bunch!! ^_^
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 Boblion Andorra. November 04 2009 02:42. Posts 3575 | Profile Blog |
ATI is making the best cards atm.
If you want something with a good performance / price ratio:
Athlon II x4 or Phenom II x3
Ati 4870 512mb
If you have more money:
Phenom II x4
4870 vapor-X
or 4890
or 5770 ( has Dx11 )
PSU -> a Corsair 450W modular ? or 520W.
Last edit: 2009-11-04 02:47:36 |
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 Fontong United States. November 04 2009 03:01. Posts 4805 | Profile Blog |
ATI 4870 is a VERY solid purchase, I second that one. Phenom x4(or x3 -- which games really use 4 cores anyway)is plenty enough to run most anything.
I'm not sure if you are looking for a monitor, but I 100% recommend this one : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824001317
23" monitor but with 2048 x 1152 resolution. :D it rapes so hard. |
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 iSiN United States. November 04 2009 03:03. Posts 370 | Profile Blog |
On November 04 2009 02:42 Boblion wrote:
ATI is making the best cards atm.
If you want something with a good performance / price ratio:
Athlon II x4 or Phenom II x3
Ati 4870 512mb
If you have more money:
Phenom II x4
4870 vapor-X
or 4890
or 5770 ( has Dx11 )
PSU -> a Corsair 450W modular ? or 520W.
This is debatable. Their top end cards are Slightly better than nVidia's but that doesn't mean their mid range(what this guy is looking for) is better. GTX260s are pimp right now for an affordable computer(~200). Currently I'm running a GTX280. |
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 EtherealDeath China. November 04 2009 03:09. Posts 2063 | Profile Blog |
| Well I don't know much about the current prices and hardware, but just remember to not care too much about your processor unless you are running some mad crazy processor hogs, gaming not included (assuming you have the other req hardware to back it up). |
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| Boblion Andorra. November 04 2009 03:30. Posts 3575 | Profile Blog |
On November 04 2009 03:03 iSiN wrote:
Show nested quote +On November 04 2009 02:42 Boblion wrote:
ATI is making the best cards atm.
If you want something with a good performance / price ratio:
Athlon II x4 or Phenom II x3
Ati 4870 512mb
If you have more money:
Phenom II x4
4870 vapor-X
or 4890
or 5770 ( has Dx11 )
PSU -> a Corsair 450W modular ? or 520W.
This is debatable. Their top end cards are Slightly better than nVidia's but that doesn't mean their mid range(what this guy is looking for) is better. GTX260s are pimp right now for an affordable computer(~200). Currently I'm running a GTX280.
lol no it isn't only an Nvidia fan boy can say this.
Nvidia is getting raped at every range. Actually i think that the 4870 rapes the mid-low range even harder than the 58xx rape the high range. Its price/performance ratio is unmatched.
Better than the GTX260 and 40$ cheaper lol.
The 4890 is only 20$ more expensive than the GTX260 ...
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| haduken China. November 04 2009 03:46. Posts 5018 | Profile Blog |
Intel i5 - 750
4GB DDR3
Any decent P55 mobo
graphic card - seriously for most people a 4870 or even 4850 is enough.
G.Skill 64GB SSD or Velociraptor 150GB for primary drive
WD 1TB for storage ( Black, Blue, Green doesn't really matter, 5400rpm not going to make a different for storing files.)
Seasonic S12 ENERGY+ Series 550W Power Supply - Is this modular?
Lian Li Lancool Dragon Lord PC-K56 Black - Mid Tower, anyone recommending a full tower needs to be slapped.
I would cut back on GPU and cooler atm and source them later when 58xx drops in price. |
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| haduken China. November 04 2009 03:48. Posts 5018 | Profile Blog |
Phenom X4 and i5 are all pretty decent value atm.
I would seriously invest in a SSD or velociraptor. The difference is night and day.
PSU and Case are two often overlooked areas. IMO you should spend generously as they are two components that don't get changed very often and a PSU plays a very big part in system stability. |
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 v[1.8]c November 04 2009 03:53. Posts 33 | Profile |
| What are disadvantages of a full tower in your opinion? seeing as how you want to slap someone who would recommend one? |
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| haduken China. November 04 2009 03:53. Posts 5018 | Profile Blog |
![[image loading]](http://i34.tinypic.com/2e3d4et.png)
Decent AMD Phenom II recommendation.
![[image loading]](http://i34.tinypic.com/ke7kle.png)
i5 750 that compets against AMD
AMD's 945 is inferior but don't let that fool you, i5 750's extra juice won't mean jack for gaming. The extra money that you save can be put towards a SSD or a better graphics. |
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| haduken China. November 04 2009 03:57. Posts 5018 | Profile Blog |
On November 04 2009 03:53 v[1.8]c wrote:
What are disadvantages of a full tower in your opinion? seeing as how you want to slap someone who would recommend one?
Have you seen a full tower in real life? It's HUUUUGE.
If that doesn't spell douche, I don't know what will lol.
Actually, I shouldn't slap people, full tower is obviously great (you get extra rooms for working with cables.), I just think that a mid tower is enough. |
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| v[1.8]c November 04 2009 04:04. Posts 33 | Profile |
I'm currently running a midtower and will be getting a full tower as my next comp. Most mid towers are only capable of fitting at most 5 harddrives and usually this actually means 3 or 4 (other stuff being in the way, vidcard, sound, etc). A full tower simply has more room overall and will allow for a wider range of modification (SATA bay converter for hotswapping for example, or fan controllers, cards readers, etc) More room being in the case also leads to possibly lower temperature due to the huge amount of air and fans moving them around. Obviously this meant you wont be able to lug it to a LAN party or such (unless you're pretty determined) but if he's not planning to do that in the first place, a full tower is recommended (unless pricing is an issue)
(I have ~3tb of storage in my comp and still running out fast, so I will be requiring a lot more harddrive slots so a full tower is much better for me. This is why I'd recommend a full tower) |
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| Boblion Andorra. November 04 2009 04:11. Posts 3575 | Profile Blog |
On November 04 2009 03:53 haduken wrote:Decent AMD Phenom II recommendation. i5 750 that compets against AMD AMD's 945 is inferior but don't let that fool you, i5 750's extra juice won't mean jack for gaming. The extra money that you save can be put towards a SSD or a better graphics.
Jeez dollar is so cheap 
Also there is a VAT in the us ?
-> % ? Last edit: 2009-11-04 04:12:28 |
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| haduken China. November 04 2009 04:19. Posts 5018 | Profile Blog |
Eh? VAT?
I don't know, I live in Australia. The configs are North American prices. Maybe you are talking about sales tax that gets slapped on top. I believe the lists are final prices which includes sales tax.
USA gets the best of everything, more choices, cheaper prices, I have to pay 15% export + 10% gst on top of everything Last edit: 2009-11-04 04:29:36 |
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| haduken China. November 04 2009 04:25. Posts 5018 | Profile Blog |
![[image loading]](http://i35.tinypic.com/2l8hl4x.png)
i7 920 config - Probably the best future-proofing rig; if you believe in future proofing.
More than enough for gaming; if not, buy another 58xx when prices drop. I wouldn't, I rather get an Intel X25-M SSD, North American prices are like $250ish and it is an all around upgrade, not just gaming.
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| haduken China. November 04 2009 04:27. Posts 5018 | Profile Blog |
On November 04 2009 04:04 v[1.8]c wrote:
I'm currently running a midtower and will be getting a full tower as my next comp. Most mid towers are only capable of fitting at most 5 harddrives and usually this actually means 3 or 4 (other stuff being in the way, vidcard, sound, etc). A full tower simply has more room overall and will allow for a wider range of modification (SATA bay converter for hotswapping for example, or fan controllers, cards readers, etc) More room being in the case also leads to possibly lower temperature due to the huge amount of air and fans moving them around. Obviously this meant you wont be able to lug it to a LAN party or such (unless you're pretty determined) but if he's not planning to do that in the first place, a full tower is recommended (unless pricing is an issue)
(I have ~3tb of storage in my comp and still running out fast, so I will be requiring a lot more harddrive slots so a full tower is much better for me. This is why I'd recommend a full tower)
Of course but that's assuming that the OP will keep collections of HD rips (or pron).
I have 2 x 1TB and that's more than enough and I'm the guy that leech from newsgroup 24x7 |
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 Ecael United States. November 04 2009 04:51. Posts 1347 | Profile |
| While I believe in futureproof-ing a machine, I don't really buy the value of SSDs for that, or rather, I feel like that at the moment purchasing SSD would be against the very idea of it. Considering that we are seeing more consumer oriented SSDs, why go for the extreme solution in an Intel SSD? Considering that the market, in comparison to GPU and CPU, is really lacking clear information, to make such a purchase now feels rather odd to me. Even if nothing is going to challenge Intel's position at the top of the line, the prices of less capable certainly are getting much more competitive. Considering the budget range, it is imo more sensible to go after the other areas and then eventually come back to shop for high value consumer level SSD. |
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| Boblion Andorra. November 04 2009 04:52. Posts 3575 | Profile Blog |
On November 04 2009 04:19 haduken wrote:Eh? VAT? I don't know, I live in Australia. The configs are North American prices. Maybe you are talking about sales tax that gets slapped on top. I believe the lists are final prices which includes sales tax. USA gets the best of everything, more choices, cheaper prices, I have to pay 15% export + 10% gst on top of everything
VAT: value added tax.
20% in France ( Wish i was living in Andorra and not just going there to buy Alcohol >.< )
Had my comp for ~ 570 euros last month ... Could have been ~ 460 euros without tax T-T |
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| haduken China. November 04 2009 05:20. Posts 5018 | Profile Blog |
On November 04 2009 04:51 Ecael wrote:
While I believe in futureproof-ing a machine, I don't really buy the value of SSDs for that, or rather, I feel like that at the moment purchasing SSD would be against the very idea of it. Considering that we are seeing more consumer oriented SSDs, why go for the extreme solution in an Intel SSD? Considering that the market, in comparison to GPU and CPU, is really lacking clear information, to make such a purchase now feels rather odd to me. Even if nothing is going to challenge Intel's position at the top of the line, the prices of less capable certainly are getting much more competitive. Considering the budget range, it is imo more sensible to go after the other areas and then eventually come back to shop for high value consumer level SSD.
The major doubts regarding SSD at the moment are TRIM support and write degradation and in both area Intel is ahead (well, not so much for trim but they are releasing firmwares.)
Consumer SSD using indix controllers are great and very competitive, I only recommend Intel SSD as it is the only SSD accepted for use by Linus Torvald (I read his blog)  and X25-M 80GB is not that much more expensive (in terms of cost per GB)
Regardless of the state of SSD, one thing is certain. random read do not degrade and this is why it is a good purchase.
To each its own, if you don't feel that SSD is good value at the moment due to the write degradation then wait. Last edit: 2009-11-04 05:22:39 |
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 mahnini United States. November 04 2009 05:56. Posts 4385 | Profile Blog |
if you can i would wait till Q1 next year i7 930, c3 stepping phenom iis, and i3/i5 duals should be out. a lot more options. 
though right now phenom ii prices have sharply declined. a 955 BE looks mighty appetizing.
i read somewhere that ssds would never replace traditional hdds for the consumer. just look at the rate hdd space is growing and how the price is staying relatively the same. within the last few months we've gone from 1tb to 2tb and 1tb can be had for $90. it might not be ssd fast but it's hardly a slouch.
also there is no where anywhere in the price range where nvidia beats ati. you can get a 4870 for $120 ffs.Last edit: 2009-11-04 06:03:45 |
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