| Tenryu United States. April 04 2010 07:52. Posts 564 | Profile Blog # |
Always been a bit curious of what others think about the games Go and Chess. Im nowhere near pro in Chess or Go so dont take these speculations to serious plz. Just want to know what some much better players think bout the 2 games and as to why the game Go never really made it into the Western side of the world  and chess to eastern.(They might be bigger then i think maybe idk. But from what i know, Go is definitely more associated to the eastern side as Chess is to the western side of the world.)
As i said, im no where near pro in Chess and im even worse in Go. In my opinion, i feel as Go is a much more difficult game. Some reasons as i why i think so:
1. Officialy, Go is played on a 19x19 size board compared to Chess's 8x8 size board. This feels as the game gets much more complicated during the end of play considering you have much more pieces put on the table while in chess, you will usually have less pieces during the end of game.
2. The pieces and gameplay. In Go there are no special individual pieces, however you can place a piece anywhere on the board and they can never move(unless captured). As taking this into account, gameplay feels much more strategic and insight is much more needed.
3. Scoring. In chess there isnt any scoring. The objective is to check-mate the opponent's king. As in Go, you score points by collecting territories, areas you control. The winner is whomever controls the most territory by the end of game or by resigning from the match. As a result, the game feels a bit more complicated towards the end. Your trying to save as much territories as possible as well as trying to prevent your opponent to do the same.
Anyways, i think both games are great and i love playing them both. Id have to say ive played both games just as much as the other and Chess has always been the easiest for me.
So, what do you guys think? Take it ez, im fragile
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 SuperArc Austria. April 04 2010 08:01. Posts 7781 | Profile Blog # |
Chess has been mastered on computers for ages.
On the other hand Go computers get raped by players.
It's clear which one is the harder one. |
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| LuCky. Zimbabwe. April 04 2010 08:03. Posts 91 | Profile # |
On April 04 2010 08:01 SuperArc wrote:
Chess has been mastered on computers for ages.
On the other hand Go computers get raped by players.
It's clear which one is the harder one.
Go? |
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| haster27 Taiwan. April 04 2010 08:06. Posts 809 | Profile Blog # |
| Go is simply awesome. Could be me simply being prejudiced, but involves so much calculation yet simple in its elegance. |
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| Picture Canada. April 04 2010 08:07. Posts 75 | Profile # |
| Does chess have a Hikaru no go counterpart? ) |
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| kefkalives Australia. April 04 2010 08:07. Posts 1246 | Profile Blog # |
The whole debate is extremely retarded. The case has been made for fans of both games countlessly on why their game is the superior one. Pointless.
I play go, 5k on kgs ;;. |
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| FragKrag United States. April 04 2010 08:08. Posts 11081 | Profile Blog # |
| I'm going to say that I like Chess more. |
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| lac29 United States. April 04 2010 08:10. Posts 1412 | Profile Blog # |
On April 04 2010 08:07 kefkalives wrote:
The whole debate is extremely retarded. The case has been made for fans of both games countlessly on why their game is the superior one. Pointless.
I play go, 5k on kgs ;;.
I agree ... it seems like a silly argument that leads to lots of "I'm better than you" type of pointless talk. Play both and enjoy both. It's as simple as that. |
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 micronesia United States. April 04 2010 08:10. Posts 19522 | Profile Blog # |
I think your analysis of endgame for go isn't really right... then again I'm not that good at either game. I enjoy both of them but am a skilled player of neither.
I feel like go offers a lot more freedom and creativity which is daunting for beginners (harder game to play decently at a low level?) but more interesting. Advanced study of chess seems more dry to me. |
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| Klockan3 Sweden. April 04 2010 08:11. Posts 2791 | Profile Blog # |
On April 04 2010 08:01 SuperArc wrote:
Chess has been mastered on computers for ages.
On the other hand Go computers get raped by players.
It's clear which one is the harder one.
Hard for computers != hard for humans. You can't make a computer tell the difference between pictures of cats and dogs while every human can do it without even thinking.
With this I just want to say that just because it is harder to make an accurate computer algorithm for it do not mean that the game is a better test of skill for humans. Last edit: 2010-04-04 08:12:30 |
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 Carnivorous Sheep April 04 2010 08:14. Posts 8847 | Profile Blog # |
On April 04 2010 08:11 Klockan3 wrote:
Show nested quote +On April 04 2010 08:01 SuperArc wrote:
Chess has been mastered on computers for ages.
On the other hand Go computers get raped by players.
It's clear which one is the harder one.
Hard for computers != hard for humans. You can't make a computer tell the difference between pictures of cats and dogs while every human can do it without even thinking. With this I just want to say that just because it is harder to make an accurate computer algorithm for it do not mean that the game is a better test of skill for humans.
Go definitely is harder than chess, the reading requirement is so much deeper.
The beauty of Go lies in its simplicity - the rules can literally be summed up in like a paragraph. Such simplicity giving rise to such a complex game is what makes it amazing.
I wish I didn't suck at Go xDLast edit: 2010-04-04 08:15:13 |
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| Tenryu United States. April 04 2010 08:16. Posts 564 | Profile Blog # |
Yeh i couldnt really find the right words to describe how i feel when i play Go end game. I guess there's just so many damn pieces on the board it feels a bit tiring and complicated trying to find ways to squeeze out some more territory need for win. Tis how i personally feel about it anyways.
I would say Chess is more fun but Go is more challenging, maybe? |
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| scyper United States. April 04 2010 08:33. Posts 779 | Profile Blog # |
On April 04 2010 08:07 kefkalives wrote:
The whole debate is extremely retarded. The case has been made for fans of both games countlessly on why their game is the superior one. Pointless.
I play go, 5k on kgs ;;.
LET'S PLAY. i was 4k 2 years ago. i quit since then.. and i got back recently. what a coincidence this blog came up. im around 7k now? lol
and Go is definitely harder because Computer Chess can beat pros easily. Go has infinite possibilities with ko situations. Also.. there is Shougi which is the Japanese chess. That is more popular in Japan. |
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| love1another United States. April 04 2010 08:36. Posts 1844 | Profile Blog # |
On April 04 2010 08:07 Picture wrote:Does chess have a Hikaru no go counterpart? )
It has a disney movie called Searching for Bobby Fischer |
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| kuresuti April 04 2010 08:38. Posts 854 | Profile Blog # |
[B]On April 04 2010 08:11 Klockan3 wrote:
You can't make a computer tell the difference between pictures of cats and dogs.
Yes you can.
Anyway it's worth to note that Chess is vastly more popular than Go, which means a larger pool of people willing to build AIs for it. Technically there are more possible positions in Go, but I don't know... weirder stuff has happened.
I don't really know anything about the Go scene, but has there been a large company like the big blue that has tried their hand at AI building for Go? |
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| bellweather United States. April 04 2010 08:46. Posts 388 | Profile Blog # |
Please stop citing chess computers as evidence for go being a harder game. The reason computers have a difficult time playing go is because it's a combinatorics nightmare of a game. Chess has significantly less moves available per turn than go does and hence computers cannot compute "good moves" in a timely/efficient manner. Humans do not think like computer algorithms and hence this analogy is just inapplicable.
Replying to the OP, I'd say go is harder, but its clearly subjective. |
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| Boblion France. April 04 2010 08:51. Posts 7806 | Profile Blog # |
I don't understand Go 
I have tried to play vs a computer program and i had no idea what i was doing. Even when i was winning i still felt clueless.
Well i'm probably almost as bad at chess but at least i somewhat understand what is going on.
When i tried go everything seemed so random ( I think i should watch good people play ). |
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 Xeofreestyler Belgium. April 04 2010 09:02. Posts 6355 | Profile Blog # |
Yeah seriously, the people using chess-AI arguments are just showing they dont understand how these artificial 'intelligences' work. Cut it out.
I personally enjoy chess the most (chess960 to be precise) |
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| Athos United States. April 04 2010 09:05. Posts 2464 | Profile Blog # |
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| Picture Canada. April 04 2010 09:08. Posts 75 | Profile # |
On April 04 2010 08:36 love1another wrote:
Show nested quote +On April 04 2010 08:07 Picture wrote:Does chess have a Hikaru no go counterpart? )
It has a disney movie called Searching for Bobby Fischer
Oh lol. Thanks.
PS. This thread needs the opinion of someone who's legitimately good at both games. |
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