Responsibility

My initial reaction to this whole Slush vs Artosis debacle was to be like:

"Errrm well Artosis is the idiot that disced and he is a trash newbie anyways so he must have defied all odds and gotten lucky to win anyways. Kid has nothing better to do all day anyways than play SC2 so u may as well let him fill another 30 minutes of his pathetic life with a re-game."

I then watched the replay and even though I barely play/watch SC2 it was blatantly obvious to me that it was an 100% win for artosis. Though, that isn't the issue here, because we all know this to be true as does the TL.net staff as evidence from Nazgul's latest post.

Though TL.net has done good job with it's apology and it's ability to learn from it's mistakes in this venture, they are forgetting one critical thing which they seemed to have made a precident for last year by banning/temp banning all the players that abused in TSL from events/future events. They forgot about the standard they have been (correctly) trying to impose on the gaming community:

Holding players accountable for all their actions (or in this case, inaction). Slush is not being held accountable.

What Slush did is epitome of selfishness and lack of sportsmanship. Obviously he's pretty good to have won the thing, so obviously he was well aware how dead he was even without watching the replay. To act like he still had a chance to win and then refusing to watch the replay and basically saying stuff to Artosis that essentially meant: "Fuck you man even though you won fair and square I'm going to fuck you over by means of a loophole in the system."

This is something that you wouldn't see happening at a live event. Malicious behavior from one competitor to another. Because there are repricussions for your actions in those scenarios. It's really pathetic to have seen some faggot like Slush abuse the fact that he's hiding behind his computer screen and just ignore reality and skip by thanks to a moderator error. If that was happening in real life I guarantee you artosis's non-existant muscles made of grass would have suddenly looked like the incredible hulk and he would have certainly got that win.

As a sportsmanlike competitor in an event like this it MUST be your duty act in a fair manner and know when to accept a loss. If Slush was a real man he WOULD have watched that rep, he WOULD have realized he was 100% dead, and he WOULD have said "okay you had it, gg wp GL!" Not doing this is an ultimate slap in the face to not only all the other competitors, but also the administration and the fans.

Not that we can really expect broke nerds competing for a few hundred dollars to act sportsmanlike. All they care about is the 1st place and it's prize money. But what we can do is hold them accountable for their pathetic actions. Just because TL.net made a mistake that wasn't corrected until the player in violation (Slush) happened to win the event doesn't mean it's too late for him to be punished for his actions.

How do we do this? We revoke his prize money and move everyone up one slot in the payout, and make said player in violation of morality publically apologize and post that they've learned from their actions until further being allowed to compete again.

TL.net I know you guys probably won't do this. But if you did, it would establish a good precident and certainly would be the right thing to do. Anyways, whatever you guys choose to do, I know you know I'm right.

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Xeris Iran. May 09 2010 12:19. Posts 16877

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Agreed , thats pretty fuckin trash manner by Slush

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Megalisk United States. May 09 2010 12:19. Posts 6095

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Mofo's will do anything to get to the top.

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lowbright May 09 2010 12:19. Posts 308

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it also seemed unfair to me.
i mean sure it was artosis' fault for disconnecting, but it's not like he had any control over that. also, if he's in korea, it was like 5am for him, i can see why he wouldn't want to waste time playing a regame of a game that he was apparently almost sure to win. it's a shame for artosis, but referees don't always make the right calls. nevertheless, tl admins have been pretty fair with their judgments though so it wouldn't be wrong for the community to give them the benefit of the doubt.

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dronebabo May 09 2010 12:24. Posts 10827

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where can i find the replay?

this space acts more like a description area than a quote

Oracle Canada. May 09 2010 12:26. Posts 411

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The prize pool wasnt even that big; don't know why anyone would ruin your entire reputation over such a little prize pool. It wasn't even a first place game, there was no 'real' money involved in this game lol.

Who cares, half these players will die out within a year when true strats and mechanics come out, and proper builds are realized. Slush? He's pretty good, but who knows if we'll even remember that name besides from this one tournament, and that ridiculous act of non sportsmanship.

Slush didn't come from BW did he? Stupid question; if he did his etiquette would have been WAY better and moral. 90% of the players I play on bnet don't gg, don't say anything, no GL, no HF, and whine when they lose and even win. On iCCup frustration happened, but never to this degree.

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ShaperofDreams Canada. May 09 2010 12:26. Posts 2492

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Yeah Slush doesn't exactly have good pr right now

I really liked Nazgul's post though and it would be extreme to call out the tourney winner on this. This beta is useful for creating precedents and establishing a practice in SC2 tournaments though.

I think it would be unfair to reprimand Slush so harshly AFTER the fact.

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Megalisk United States. May 09 2010 12:32. Posts 6095

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Yeah we just have to take this as another lesson and move on, taking away prize money is unfair and extreme in itself.

Radical United States. May 09 2010 12:35. Posts 481

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I think slush is being punished enough right now with the knowledge that the majority of the people who watched that match thinks he's a dick sucker now.

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Rekrul Korea (South). May 09 2010 12:37. Posts 16552

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On May 09 2010 12:32 Megalisk wrote:
Yeah we just have to take this as another lesson and move on, taking away prize money is unfair and extreme in itself.

Whats funny about your statement here is that you wouldn't be saying that if Slush was found out to have map hacked in none of the games in the tournament except in a game vs Artosis. You'd be like "burn him!!!" Map hack or selfishly getting a win, both are equally illegitimate and people need to realize this.

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Rekrul Korea (South). May 09 2010 12:38. Posts 16552

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On May 09 2010 12:35 Radical wrote:
I think slush is being punished enough right now with the knowledge that the majority of the people who watched that match thinks he's a dick sucker now.

Yeah so everything thinks his actions are "dick sucker"ish and thinks he's wrong but he still deserves the prize money? Does not compute. Grow some balls people.

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Chill Canada. May 09 2010 12:38. Posts 25255

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I don't think there's any responsibility for a player to police himself - that's the administrator's job. Great if he does it but I don't feel any malice to one who takes a regame that is given to him.

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Seiuchi United States. May 09 2010 12:38. Posts 467

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On May 09 2010 12:35 Radical wrote:
I think slush is being punished enough right now with the knowledge that the majority of the people who watched that match thinks he's a dick sucker now.

It's pretty obvious from the way Slush acted all he cares about is the money and not respect or honor. Taking the $300 actually sends a message.

Liquid`Zephyr United States. May 09 2010 12:41. Posts 740

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think you might be stretching your expectations out a bit too far here.

Radical United States. May 09 2010 12:43. Posts 481

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On May 09 2010 12:38 Rekrul wrote:
Yeah so everything thinks his actions are "dick sucker"ish and thinks he's wrong but he still deserves the prize money? Does not compute. Grow some balls people.

On May 09 2010 12:38 Seiuchi wrote:
It's pretty obvious from the way Slush acted all he cares about is the money and not respect or honor. Taking the $300 actually sends a message.

Valid points...I guess in my view the prize money is kind of inconsequential. What's far more important to me is the fact that slush ended up winning the tournament, which is something that can't really be taken away. To me, winning a tournament like that is a lot better than simply getting the cash prize, so I didn't really think about the cash. But you're both right, the $300 should be taken away. And I guess if he cares about $300 so much that he'd tarnish his reputation to get it, then it would probably mean a lot to him if it got taken away.

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jodogohoo Canada. May 09 2010 12:43. Posts 2488

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On May 09 2010 12:38 Seiuchi wrote:

Show nested quote +

It's pretty obvious from the way Slush acted all he cares about is the money and not respect or honor. Taking the $300 actually sends a message.

$300 or respect? Either way, slush is already in the clear, i doubt he gives a shit if people think hes a dick. He won, and no one can deny that.

Rekrul Korea (South). May 09 2010 12:43. Posts 16552

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hahahahaha zephyr

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Oracle Canada. May 09 2010 12:43. Posts 411

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On May 09 2010 12:38 Chill wrote:
I don't think there's any responsibility for a player to police himself - that's the administrator's job. Great if he does it but I don't feel any malice to one who takes a regame that is given to him.

I respectfully disagree, there should be some inherent responsibility for each player, it should be part of etiquette. I agree etiquette doesn't HAVE to be followed, for example look at Idra, but that's their choice, and any repercussions is fully on them, hence why any 'malice' towards them is, in my opinion, justified.

Sprite United States. May 09 2010 12:45. Posts 1014

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On May 09 2010 12:38 Seiuchi wrote:

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It's pretty obvious from the way Slush acted all he cares about is the money and not respect or honor. Taking the $300 actually sends a message.

Money makes people do crazy things. The entire incident was a mistake but because of it there's not much to be done. Slush will lose respect of most of TL, which apparently is worth less then $300.

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Holgerius Sweden. May 09 2010 12:48. Posts 16798

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Agreed.

This whole thing really makes me appreciate and admire the behavior of Nony in TSL when he disconnected and then conceded the game without making a fuss or demanding a regame. If only all people had that level of sportsmanship.

Fuck you, Slush!