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 Sergio1992 Italy. April 14 2012 22:12. Posts 521 | Profile Blog # |
Hi everyone , I'm a mid-master playing (right now) for fun; I play on Eu, 2 hours a day, with terran.
My best matchup is Terran vs protoss.
I feel very confident in my abilities; yet I don't know if I must do something specifically to improve from mid-master to high master.
Do I just gotta polish my builds? my decision making? Do I have just to get more experience?
For example, on TvZ I usually mech , because I do not feel good using marine\tank, because zerg is always able to overwhelm me and I can't abuse it.
Do I need to get used to more than one style? How do I force the improving? Do I just do things that I'm not confident about? Do I just play more?
I bought another account today, and I'm trying to reach master league with protoss.
should I buy a third, and try zerg, because it is my worst matchup? Should I just practise with all the three account to understand timings?
Thanks for help |
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| Sianos April 14 2012 22:47. Posts 528 | Profile # |
How should we know, whether you are good or bad, when you don´t attach a replay?
You don´t need to practise more styles/BOs for beeing better. Day9 said it one time, a good player is not good because he can do all different kinds of builds/styles. A good palyer is good with 1 build, which he has refined as much as possible. You also don´t need to play the other races. You can do it, to get a better understanding how it feels to play Protoss or Zerg, but there isn´t the need to do it. You can discover every important things about the other races, by watching your replays.
Check for little errors in your build. Do you use every building 100% efficient or can you achieve more effiecient, by placing it somewhere else or changing the order of some buildings for example? Do you have a specific reason for an attack you are doing or do you just attack randomly? Do you have a well thought overall plan for every matchup? Can you read your opponent and adapt your play to his if needed? How good is your Micro and Macro?
These are all questions, you could ask yourself and watch for in your replays. The way from beeing a solid player to beeing a good player are the small things, which make a huge difference. |
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| Sergio1992 Italy. April 14 2012 23:11. Posts 521 | Profile Blog # |
On April 14 2012 22:47 Sianos wrote:
How should we know, whether you are good or bad, when you don´t attach a replay?
You don´t need to practise more styles/BOs for beeing better. Day9 said it one time, a good player is not good because he can do all different kinds of builds/styles. A good palyer is good with 1 build, which he has refined as much as possible. You also don´t need to play the other races. You can do it, to get a better understanding how it feels to play Protoss or Zerg, but there isn´t the need to do it. You can discover every important things about the other races, by watching your replays.
Check for little errors in your build. Do you use every building 100% efficient or can you achieve more effiecient, by placing it somewhere else or changing the order of some buildings for example? Do you have a specific reason for an attack you are doing or do you just attack randomly? Do you have a well thought overall plan for every matchup? Can you read your opponent and adapt your play to his if needed? How good is your Micro and Macro?
These are all questions, you could ask yourself and watch for in your replays. The way from beeing a solid player to beeing a good player are the small things, which make a huge difference.
I said that I wish to buy another account because I never know what is going on through the mind of a zerg; what I guess lacks me is a good partner that should help me understanding more what is going on through the mind of a zerg.
When I play against terran, it seems to me like chess. I know perfectly what is going on through the mind of my enemy, and I know what could my action force and what my enemy will do . I know how to predict enemy. But I know to lack this skill, for example, against Zerg. And I still don't understand why.
thanks for help
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| oZe Sweden. April 14 2012 23:29. Posts 412 | Profile # |
You should find practice partners. It's hard to see the holes in your own game. It's easy to get stuck in a rut without recognizing it. Do you ever play 10 games in a row where your opponent does that one thing you have issues beating?
Do you ever do a new build against medium AI X times in a row to get it ingrained into your brain?
To practice other races just play random on your other account will save you buying the game one time more atleast ;-) |
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| iAmJeffReY United States. April 14 2012 23:31. Posts 3388 | Profile # |
Contrary to what people have told you, when I get mind fucked in a matchup, I remake a new build/opening, and go through the tweaking process.
If Z overruns you with marine tank, do a more aggressive tankless push -> fast third -> marine tank defensive style if it suits you. |
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| Sianos April 14 2012 23:36. Posts 528 | Profile # |
On April 14 2012 23:11 Sergio1992 wrote:
Show nested quote +On April 14 2012 22:47 Sianos wrote:
How should we know, whether you are good or bad, when you don´t attach a replay?
You don´t need to practise more styles/BOs for beeing better. Day9 said it one time, a good player is not good because he can do all different kinds of builds/styles. A good palyer is good with 1 build, which he has refined as much as possible. You also don´t need to play the other races. You can do it, to get a better understanding how it feels to play Protoss or Zerg, but there isn´t the need to do it. You can discover every important things about the other races, by watching your replays.
Check for little errors in your build. Do you use every building 100% efficient or can you achieve more effiecient, by placing it somewhere else or changing the order of some buildings for example? Do you have a specific reason for an attack you are doing or do you just attack randomly? Do you have a well thought overall plan for every matchup? Can you read your opponent and adapt your play to his if needed? How good is your Micro and Macro?
These are all questions, you could ask yourself and watch for in your replays. The way from beeing a solid player to beeing a good player are the small things, which make a huge difference.
I said that I wish to buy another account because I never know what is going on through the mind of a zerg; what I guess lacks me is a good partner that should help me understanding more what is going on through the mind of a zerg. When I play against terran, it seems to me like chess. I know perfectly what is going on through the mind of my enemy, and I know what could my action force and what my enemy will do . I know how to predict enemy. But I know to lack this skill, for example, against Zerg. And I still don't understand why. thanks for help
If you don´t understand what the other races are up to, it´s most likely because you are not active enough on the map. Use your drops and moveouts with your army to figure out, what your opponent is doing. But again, we can´t tell what you are doing wong, when we don´t know how you play. Attach replays and you will get a lot of better answers.
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| yoona2012 Denmark. April 14 2012 23:41. Posts 196 | Profile # |
On April 14 2012 22:47 Sianos wrote:
You don´t need to practise more styles/BOs for beeing better. Day9 said it one time, a good player is not good because he can do all different kinds of builds/styles. A good palyer is good with 1 build, which he has refined as much as possible. You also don´t need to play the other races. You can do it, to get a better understanding how it feels to play Protoss or Zerg, but there isn´t the need to do it. You can discover every important things about the other races, by watching your replays
You do need to practice all standard openings, because there´s no 1 build that works vs all races vs all possible openings, knowing all the standard openings allows you to transistion between them smoother and develop your own playstyle. Low league players may benefit much more from just refining 1 opening, but higher level players already got the macro down on a decent level and build orders are something you can learn over a few hours.
I think its fine to play protoss and zerg for a while, because you get a different feel playing the race than just watching replays of it. You´ll get a better sense of when the zerg or protoss is weak, and when they feel strong and overall a better feel of what their strength and weakness are.
@OP
If you feel confident about your macro and smaller basic details (mapawareness, response time, scouting, positioning, micro etc) then I think your best bet is to work on, 1) multi-pronged attacks and 2) timings.
for 1), that means try to force yourself a good situation, f.x with 2 drops happening at same time while you stim-snipe an expo from a 3rd angle. Or show your entire force and threathen his ramp, then peel off 2 medivacs and drop in his main, forcing him to again split perfectly or you´ll be able to gun through whatever force is weaker. Banshee harrass while hellions ninja sneak in the mineral line because his attention is elsewhere forgot to block the ramp with sentries/queens etc. Offer some retard bait (floating factory, lone tank etc) to force a better situation etc, I think you get the point. These multiharrass and multipronged attacks are extremely hard to deal with, and quite hard to do while macroing well - this is one of the differences i see between low and high masters.
2) knowing your timings and make your builds line up with them for your attacks. f.x. you should know that if you start stim upgrade right after you made a factory, you can have stim and 2 medivacs finish at the same time or if you rush blueflame drop, you can have blueflame finish same time as 4th hellion and 1 medivac is done.
These timings often gives you windows where you are momentarily stronger than your opponent. |
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| sAsImre April 15 2012 00:05. Posts 2981 | Profile Blog # |
| I made the jump by refining 1/2 builds by match up according to the styles i'm confortable with. I didn't do anything else on the ladder and learn to react to every possibilities in early/mid game, thus it enabled be to go in "auto-pilot" mode and just concentrate on micro/map awareness ect... which are really important to reach high master/gm |
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| Adonminus Israel. April 15 2012 02:15. Posts 488 | Profile # |
| Funny, but it may seem you should refine builds, try out new strategies and improve your stuff like that. However it's the "macro better" combined with decision and micro improvements. In my opinion because of all the metagame shifts and all the new stuff that pops up in high master, staying with 1 strategy is just impossible. If you just perfect a strategy and use it there, it won't work at a point. While macro will allow you great execution on any strategy. So as people say go macro better. |
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| Westy England. April 15 2012 03:00. Posts 679 | Profile Blog # |
I am sort of in the same boat. I am a mid-high masters protoss player on EU, looking to push my self up to "GM" level. But not sure how to improve my play. I usually find when I lose its because of one obvious mistake. Such as being out of position, getting my HT's emped, failing to handle a drop, or taking a bad engagement.
I wish this was more like a sport where I could pick one area of my play and just refine it, and then move on to another. But it seems the best way to improve is just to play. |
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| BrTarolg United Kingdom. April 15 2012 05:34. Posts 2496 | Profile Blog # |
Honest to god, i'll give you some useful advice that probably you won't get from others
Learn a shitload of 1 base/2base cheeses, and get the timings, mechanics, and playing them perfect (will take a lot more time than you think)
This sets you up for step 2:
Find someone who has done the process with another race, and get him to do each and every one of those builds to you (refined only, otherwise its not worth it) and learn to defend them all
Being able to cheese and defend cheese with a very high success rate is ABSOLUTELY important in anything GM and above, and it's a skill that is often neglected
There are often players who are in GM purely on this basis alone, without any other major regards to them (macro, micro etc.) - they just can defend all cheeses thrown at them, and cheese and WIN with cheeses even in situations they can't because they perfected their build and have enough variety to know how to abuse every little edge they need for that build |
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| -_- United States. April 15 2012 07:10. Posts 6874 | Profile Blog # |
| Play 3 hours a day instead of 2. Just that simple, just that hard.That'll put you just above most foreign pros if you're consistent and actually play all 3 hours, requeuing immediately |
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| Kalingingsong Canada. April 15 2012 08:33. Posts 580 | Profile # |
| at this point its no longer one specific thing you must do. It's a bunch of little things that adds together, which means there is no easy solution. You just have to be patient and work on one area at a time. Last edit: 2012-04-15 08:34:31 |
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