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| lolmlg April 15 2012 17:35. Posts 474 | Profile # |
To pay 45% income tax in Canada, you'd need to make like $130 000 per year, and the 45% would only apply to maybe $5 000 of that amount. So you're astoundingly wrong there.
I don't know why people from the US are always so obsessed with taxes. I think about taxes when it's time to file or when there's an election but otherwise it means nothing. |
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| TheKwas Iceland. April 15 2012 17:46. Posts 345 | Profile Blog # |
On April 15 2012 16:03 lolmlg wrote:
Show nested quote +On April 15 2012 15:57 TheKwas wrote:
Also, Ottawa has a pretty good bus system, not sure what lolmlg is talking about. As long as you don't live in like Kanata or suburbia, you shouldn't take more than 40 minutes to get basically anywhere in the city. The fact it's cornered into a river makes bus routes only half as complicated compared to a normal city.
Try living in Regina or any of the prairie cities for truly horrible public transpo.
Ottawa is a pretty well 'sized' city where you have the better aspects of a big city and the better aspects of a small city. If I were to move back to Canada, Ottawa would be my top choice.
Regina isn't a national capital. If you live in Kanata, or Barrhaven, or Orleans (i.e. you live anywhere in Ottawa where people live in a house, especially one that costs less than a million dollars) then you will be subjected to long trips on the bus. If you plan to work in Kanata then you'd better either live in Kanata or live downtown within a five minute walk of the transitway, otherwise you will spend more than an hour on the bus each way, guaranteed.
It's a provincial capital.
Anyways, I doubt the OP is looking to become a homeowner right after jumping off the plane. He would probably be renting a place in Ottawa proper, meaning the buses work just fine. Statements like "you'll need a car, no exceptions" are just downright false. I survived 4 years in Ottawa(Nepean, not downtown) without a car just fine, and even buses going out to places like Kanata (where I went often due to friends) are pretty good and fast (transportation within Kanata is a different matter).
EDIT: Don't worry too much about taxes despite the groaning and complaining going on here (eh, it's taxes, who doesn't want to complain?). It's really not a burden and if your lower-income, you really don't pay much. Through my life I've certainly gained more from canada's social services than what I've personally contributed, so perhaps I'm more willing to accept taxes than others.Last edit: 2012-04-15 17:51:53 |
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| MrRicewife Canada. April 15 2012 17:55. Posts 415 | Profile Blog # | |
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| lolmlg April 15 2012 18:18. Posts 474 | Profile # |
I know it's a provincial capital. It also has less than a fifth of the population of Ottawa. There's no comparison to be made. The capital city of a country should be held to a certain standard. Cities in Europe with similar populations often have three different modes of public transportation. Ottawa has a flaky bus system and continual in-fighting over the future of the tiny light rail line. And the bus coverage is cut every year. If you live and work downtown there's no problem. If you live or work anywhere else and plan to own furniture then good luck.
Speaking of less than fifths, four years is less than a fifth of how long I've lived in Ottawa in my lifetime. Want to know how long it takes to get to the airport from Barrhaven by bus on a weekday? An hour and a half. If you make all your connections. The drive is 25 minutes and costs over $30 by taxi.
It's nice that you have this small-town view where everything is amazing but Ottawa has substandard public transportation and everyone who lives here agrees. I've spent time in many different cities so I have a lot to compare it to. |
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| -Kaiser- Canada. April 15 2012 18:23. Posts 479 | Profile Blog # |
| West coast, that's all I have to say. Try Victoria or North Vancouver. |
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| TheKwas Iceland. April 15 2012 18:34. Posts 345 | Profile Blog # |
Substandard transpo =/= "you must own a car, no exceptions".
Ottawa clearly doesn't have top-notch public transpo (I currently live in seoul, which DOES have world-class public transpo, and spent significant time in other cities as well, so my perspective isn't limited to a small-town view), and it's certainly a huge boost to have a car if you live in the suburbs (because, well duh it's a suburb; people don't tend to move to the suburbs unless they already have a car), but you can live a pretty normal life in Ottawa-proper without a car. |
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| -Kaiser- Canada. April 15 2012 18:39. Posts 479 | Profile Blog # |
| Vancouver has some of the best public transit in the world. Skytrain <3 |
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| lolmlg April 15 2012 19:04. Posts 474 | Profile # |
On April 15 2012 18:34 TheKwas wrote:
Substandard transpo =/= "you must own a car, no exceptions".
Ottawa clearly doesn't have top-notch public transpo (I currently live in seoul, which DOES have world-class public transpo, and spent significant time in other cities as well, so my perspective isn't limited to a small-town view), and it's certainly a huge boost to have a car if you live in the suburbs (because, well duh it's a suburb; people don't tend to move to the suburbs unless they already have a car), but you can live a pretty normal life in Ottawa-proper without a car.
Haha, you know, it's possible to "survive" without a job or apartment at all. You can panhandle downtown and dodge the whole problem, right?
He said he wants to work for a game company, so he's probably looking for a tech job. The two places to find a tech job are downtown and Kanata. Kanata is the suburbs. If he's not going to own a home or live in the suburbs then he's not going to live in Kanata. You have to choose where you live and work carefully if you're going to avoid punishing bus tours is the point, and sometimes you can't choose. The only reason I "survived" my first job in Kanata was because my neighbour worked on the same street and gave me a lift four days of the week. And while I didn't mind the two hour commute so much in university, the fact that the bus stopped running at midnight definitely fucked up a lot of plans. |
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| TheKwas Iceland. April 15 2012 19:21. Posts 345 | Profile Blog # |
| I missed that bit about the game industry. Anyways, within Ottawa-proper I never felt burdern by public tranpo for most of my purposes compared to my stays in other cities. Obviously the 12 oclock shutdown of most routes suck, but that's pretty standard in any city. "must own a car, no exceptions" is a pretty damning statement when what you really mean is "must own a car if you plan on working in the suburbs" |
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| Omnipresent United States. April 15 2012 22:18. Posts 871 | Profile Blog # |
On April 15 2012 14:29 skipgamer wrote:
See, in Australia, the culture is based heavily on drinking, having barbecues, being friendly in the sense that if someone's around you'll say G'day, or if someone needs a hand with something you'll lend it. But you never really get to know anybody unless you have a reason to.
I know this is a little off topic, but you've inspired me.
Is this true? Can any other Aussies confirm? Drinking and not being bothered by strangers sounds pretty sweet. In the US, it seems like you either live somewhere where everyone wants to know your business or where everyone's an asshole. I may need a visa. |
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| lifeisgood99 Canada. April 15 2012 22:45. Posts 274 | Profile # | |
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| Mementoss Canada. April 15 2012 22:59. Posts 2481 | Profile Blog # |
| The Maritimes for some good times. |
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| OpticalShot Canada. April 15 2012 23:25. Posts 5929 | Profile Blog # |
First of all, you can already how awesome us Canadians are from the supportive and informative posts in this thread. :D I know moving to Canada seems like a pretty random decision (I still think so) but if you're the adventurous type, hey, why not.
As a resident of Toronto who's lived here 13 years, here are a few things you should know (and I'll offer some opinions on things said about Toronto):
- Toronto, as you already know, is the biggest city in Canada in terms of population. Count the GTA (Greater Toronto Area), and we have like several million (and that's a lot for Canada). There is a lot of diversity, I'm not sure if the most diverse place in Canada, but there certainly is no short of immigrants from all over the world. If you want to experience foods and cultures around the world in one place, Toronto is a good one.
- Our public transportation service SUCKS. I would rank it as one of the worst in North America. The system hasn't evolved much since the 1980's, it's mad jammed in rush hour, it's unreliable, and not very cheap either. It almost encourages people to get a car ASAP. That being said, our downtown is much too hard to access with cars due to poor road network configurations and lack of parking spaces, so subway is a must when travelling to/from/within downtown.
- Living costs are relatively high, but I wouldn't say it's the highest in Canada. Altogether (rent, insurance, gas, food, internet, phone, leisure) personally, I think I spend about $2000/month.
- Job market in the city is decent... and most of the "office" jobs are concentrated either in the downtown core, or near the airport.
- Nightlife is also decent if you live in the downtown, but elsewhere, the options are pretty limited.
Any more questions, I can probably answer, so feel free to PM me if you're seriously considering Toronto! |
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| StarStruck April 15 2012 23:41. Posts 18367 | Profile # |
skip,
It's one thing to be an avid traveller as I one as well, but moving to an entirely different country is another and these stereotypes really have to end lmao. |
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| The_LiNk Canada. April 16 2012 01:48. Posts 863 | Profile Blog # |
On April 15 2012 23:25 OpticalShot wrote:
First of all, you can already how awesome us Canadians are from the supportive and informative posts in this thread. :D I know moving to Canada seems like a pretty random decision (I still think so) but if you're the adventurous type, hey, why not.
As a resident of Toronto who's lived here 13 years, here are a few things you should know (and I'll offer some opinions on things said about Toronto):
- Toronto, as you already know, is the biggest city in Canada in terms of population. Count the GTA (Greater Toronto Area), and we have like several million (and that's a lot for Canada). There is a lot of diversity, I'm not sure if the most diverse place in Canada, but there certainly is no short of immigrants from all over the world. If you want to experience foods and cultures around the world in one place, Toronto is a good one.
- Our public transportation service SUCKS. I would rank it as one of the worst in North America. The system hasn't evolved much since the 1980's, it's mad jammed in rush hour, it's unreliable, and not very cheap either. It almost encourages people to get a car ASAP. That being said, our downtown is much too hard to access with cars due to poor road network configurations and lack of parking spaces, so subway is a must when travelling to/from/within downtown.
- Living costs are relatively high, but I wouldn't say it's the highest in Canada. Altogether (rent, insurance, gas, food, internet, phone, leisure) personally, I think I spend about $2000/month.
- Job market in the city is decent... and most of the "office" jobs are concentrated either in the downtown core, or near the airport.
- Nightlife is also decent if you live in the downtown, but elsewhere, the options are pretty limited.
Any more questions, I can probably answer, so feel free to PM me if you're seriously considering Toronto!
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| PassiveAce United States. April 16 2012 02:18. Posts 4344 | Profile Blog # |
Canadians, on average, are fucking awesome.
I'm sure thats probably true for many countries though, if you want to travel go travel. If you really like it maybe you could consider staying there. You can go there if you want to, its not like its impossible. |
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| skipgamer Australia. April 16 2012 02:59. Posts 560 | Profile Blog # |
Just to answer some of the questions. I'm living alone no girlfriend etc, so there isn't much to lose really because most of my friends are moving on in life with families. I work in logistics (bleh =\) currently in a management position while doing freelance graphic design work and making flash/indy games/mods and gaming in my spare time, also have a ba in digital art and qualifications in small business management. So even though my work history/qualifications are a bit iffy in terms of not hitting one field/industry only, I'm far from uneducated and can't imagine it being impossible to find a liveable salary (I hope, of course I'll look in to this more once visa is accepted, there's also the option of getting a transfer within the company as they have operations in canada.)
I'll be coming with at least one friend, planning to share accommodation at least to begin with just to make things easier, and I'm fairly confident I will be able to buy a cheap car on arrival if necessary for work.
Living costs are fairly high in Melbourne too so I don't think that will come as too much as a shock. If I wanted cheap I'd go to Thailand or Dubai or something. But that's not what it's about, Canada just genuinely seems like a better country with better opportunities for travelling from.
So as for whether it's possible, that's almost a definite assuming getting the Visa goes well, It's not like I'm talking about moving out tomorrow, more like in a year or so time. I was just more-so interested in how Canadians themselves were in terms of culture and as a society, but as someone pointed out early on people will always be different no matter where they are. Still, from what people have said since it pretty much aligns with what I've heard elsewhere, that there really is nothing bad apart from the weather (and i like the cold, beats 40c heat and bush-fires down here in summer.) The idea of moving makes sense to me, but I'll probably just travel a bit first to see the different cities before thinking about settling somewhere. I just don't want to double my cost and time in flights, travel, spending money, by coming out for a non-working holiday first. I think it will be obvious if it doesn't suit and then I can just go back to Aus.
On April 15 2012 15:17 SK.Testie wrote:
I've seen your spiders.
What the fuck are you doing in Australia?
It is fun to clean spiderwebs though
+ Show Spoiler +
Anyway, thanks again TL as always, given me a bit more to think about.Last edit: 2012-04-16 03:54:06 |
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| jjun212 Canada. April 16 2012 03:01. Posts 2194 | Profile Blog # |
On April 15 2012 14:59 cmen15 wrote:
they have milk bags watch out LOL <3 Canada
Man I was raised with bagged milk. It's so normal to me. I thought it was the industry standard!
I still get surprised when others go WTF looooollll.
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| kane]deth[ Canada. April 16 2012 03:03. Posts 329 | Profile # |
| I live in Toronto and have actually had several conversations with complete strangers on the subway and such, which it sounds like you might be interested in. |
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| ziggurat Canada. April 16 2012 03:43. Posts 645 | Profile Blog # |
On April 15 2012 15:02 skipgamer wrote:
Show nested quote +On April 15 2012 14:48 Zapdos_Smithh wrote:
Honestly, I don't mean to be rude here, but I think you're the crazy one if you believe that an entire country of people are "nice and fun and friendly", like robots. There is no place on earth where every single person is the same in a country, you are always going to get a spectrum of different personality types. In fact, you'd probably find the exact same spectrum of people in Canada as you do in Australia, some are nice, some are mean, some are friendly, some are not.
Really, that's a huge bummer. Of course I wouldn't expect everyone to be the same, but from what I've read there just seems to be a more culturally accepting vibe about Canada. I don't know if you've ever been to Australia, but there is real seperation and segregation within most of the community. Australians stick to themselves, Vietnamese stick to themselves, Europeans stick to themselves, Middle-eastern's stick to themselves. And if you spend time with any of these groups you will usually find them complaining about others (especially Australian's complaining about others.) Perhaps, you are right, it may just be a pipe-dream.
My parents lived in Canada all their lives. A few years ago after they retired they spent a few months travelling in Australia. They came back and couldn't get over how friendly all the Australians were.
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