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| lpstroggoz New Zealand. May 22 2012 16:12. Posts 30 | Profile # |
my thoughts on diablo 3:
story sucked
music sucked
no awesome gothic theme like in diablo 1.
i actually knew diablo 3 was going to suck in these areas before i bought it, i was hoping the game would excell in other areas, but it failed alot in other areas too.
hardly any gameplay improvements from diablo 2, it's pretty much the same game.
the few improvements are the spells and abilities, and runes or skilltrees ect are better designed than diablo 2. And interface is better as well obviously. So, hacking and slashing aspect flows better than in D2 imo. Apart from that though the game is garbage.
Remember back to diablo 1 and diablo 2, and remember the difference between those games. Now think of the difference between D2 and D3.
The same goes for brood war and starcraft 2. Starcraft 2 was pretty much the same game as brood war, except with worse story/ singleplayer and better interface.
How the hell does these games take 5+ years to make? You could write the entire story/script for diablo 3 in one day.
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| Clazziquai10 Singapore. May 22 2012 16:41. Posts 930 | Profile Blog # |
Any Gheed blog is worth 5/5 from me. Awesome read.
P.S. I gotta admit.....I had to google the meaning of "polemical" due to my horrible vocab 
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| Emnjay808 United States. May 22 2012 17:03. Posts 2484 | Profile Blog # |
On May 21 2012 16:11 Gheed wrote:
I hate the items! Rares are as good as uniques and set items!
Uh, good? Do you know how fucking boring the game was when everyone had the same items? Once you got "the items," you were done. You could build every single caster with hoto/enigmia/spirit shield/shaco/war travs/mara's/2xsoj. And, because of a combination of duping and forum gold, they were incredibly easy to obtain, and thus incredibly boring. On the other hand, the most exciting parts of Diablo 2 was hunting for a godly bow skills dual leech gloves, or a pcomb with a good affix. Those were the items that were worth the most money, and they weren't set items or rune words. By not making Uniques the be-all and end-all, it means you're never "done" with items, which, for a game like Diablo, is a good thing. I remember the first time that I was "done." I quit the game until the next ladder reset. The moments of "oh boy, my pshaco has a ber in it now," or "hey, my hoto rolled a 40" was not the peak of my enjoyment of the game, despite it being the peak of my character's power.
Couldnt agree with this part the most.
I really enjoy hunting down dat 700+dps 100 vit/str 1-hander. Everytime I ID a weap I always hold my breathe lol.
Having the game dictated by "godly" uniques and sets isnt the way to go. Very boring. |
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 StorkHwaiting United States. May 22 2012 18:37. Posts 3464 | Profile Blog # |
On May 22 2012 17:03 Emnjay808 wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 21 2012 16:11 Gheed wrote:
I hate the items! Rares are as good as uniques and set items!
Uh, good? Do you know how fucking boring the game was when everyone had the same items? Once you got "the items," you were done. You could build every single caster with hoto/enigmia/spirit shield/shaco/war travs/mara's/2xsoj. And, because of a combination of duping and forum gold, they were incredibly easy to obtain, and thus incredibly boring. On the other hand, the most exciting parts of Diablo 2 was hunting for a godly bow skills dual leech gloves, or a pcomb with a good affix. Those were the items that were worth the most money, and they weren't set items or rune words. By not making Uniques the be-all and end-all, it means you're never "done" with items, which, for a game like Diablo, is a good thing. I remember the first time that I was "done." I quit the game until the next ladder reset. The moments of "oh boy, my pshaco has a ber in it now," or "hey, my hoto rolled a 40" was not the peak of my enjoyment of the game, despite it being the peak of my character's power.
Couldnt agree with this part the most. I really enjoy hunting down dat 700+dps 100 vit/str 1-hander. Everytime I ID a weap I always hold my breathe lol. Having the game dictated by "godly" uniques and sets isnt the way to go. Very boring.
There's not really any hunting with the auction house though. You just farm gold and then go buy whatever you want off the auction house... |
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| sc4k United Kingdom. May 22 2012 19:13. Posts 4414 | Profile Blog # |
On May 22 2012 16:12 lpstroggoz wrote:
my thoughts on diablo 3:
story sucked
music sucked
no awesome gothic theme like in diablo 1.
i actually knew diablo 3 was going to suck in these areas before i bought it, i was hoping the game would excell in other areas, but it failed alot in other areas too.
hardly any gameplay improvements from diablo 2, it's pretty much the same game.
the few improvements are the spells and abilities, and runes or skilltrees ect are better designed than diablo 2. And interface is better as well obviously. So, hacking and slashing aspect flows better than in D2 imo. Apart from that though the game is garbage.
Remember back to diablo 1 and diablo 2, and remember the difference between those games. Now think of the difference between D2 and D3.
The same goes for brood war and starcraft 2. Starcraft 2 was pretty much the same game as brood war, except with worse story/ singleplayer and better interface.
How the hell does these games take 5+ years to make? You could write the entire story/script for diablo 3 in one day.
Thanks for this post, just been waiting for someone who isn't trying to justify spending money/time/hope on diablo 3 and is honestly looking at the game from a player's perspective. Gheed and others have been close to swaying me to buy the game but now I will hold strong and not buy it until it is cheap.
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| Tobberoth Sweden. May 22 2012 19:41. Posts 4547 | Profile # |
On May 22 2012 19:13 sc4k wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 22 2012 16:12 lpstroggoz wrote:
my thoughts on diablo 3:
story sucked
music sucked
no awesome gothic theme like in diablo 1.
i actually knew diablo 3 was going to suck in these areas before i bought it, i was hoping the game would excell in other areas, but it failed alot in other areas too.
hardly any gameplay improvements from diablo 2, it's pretty much the same game.
the few improvements are the spells and abilities, and runes or skilltrees ect are better designed than diablo 2. And interface is better as well obviously. So, hacking and slashing aspect flows better than in D2 imo. Apart from that though the game is garbage.
Remember back to diablo 1 and diablo 2, and remember the difference between those games. Now think of the difference between D2 and D3.
The same goes for brood war and starcraft 2. Starcraft 2 was pretty much the same game as brood war, except with worse story/ singleplayer and better interface.
How the hell does these games take 5+ years to make? You could write the entire story/script for diablo 3 in one day.
Thanks for this post, just been waiting for someone who isn't trying to justify spending money/time/hope on diablo 3 and is honestly looking at the game from a player's perspective. Gheed and others have been close to swaying me to buy the game but now I will hold strong and not buy it until it is cheap.
What's your reason to value his post higher than the OP? The OP is well written and in-depth, while his post is... well, yeah. The game is awesome, but anyone who doesn't want to buy it can obviously just listen to haters, but you don't need people on this forum for that, just go to metacritic if you're looking for overly negative opinions. |
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| DoubleReed United States. May 22 2012 20:14. Posts 3133 | Profile Blog # |
On May 22 2012 14:37 StorkHwaiting wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 22 2012 14:10 Dead9 wrote:
uh idk if u've played d2 or d1 recently
but there was barely a story in d1 and d2's story was about as good as d3 (ie pretty awful)
wizards have a much easier time because there's a skill combo that makes u pretty much invicible ...
and a week? how many hours is a week? lol
the game's not perfect and there's a lot of stuff that needs to be patched out (wiz invulnerability, azmodan quad runs, monk near-invulnerability for example) but d3's probably the most solid game in its genre so far
What? The original Diablo story was awesome. A portal to hell has opened up deep underneath a cathedral and evil has slowly seeped out to pollute the land around it. You investigate the disturbing stories of frightened villagers and slowly get drawn deeper and deeper into the evil, fighting your way through the macabre hallways of a corrupted church until you're knee-deep in demons in the very depths of hell itself. The storyline is absolutely epic. The ambient sounds and effects were terrifying. The setting was brilliant. Fighting in a church that's been corrupted by evil was such a delicious paradox. The Butcher was such a sinister villain when you first met him. You could just tell he'd been in there, hacking up bodies, and eating the innards of his victims for months. You felt the meaty thwack and visceral pleasure of goat men bleating as they hit the floor. Sorry, but you're raving mad if you think the original Diablo barely had a story.
What? How is that not an excuse plot?
Are you being sarcastic or something? I mean the very first Act of Diablo 3 has that kind of "epic storyline," where you are trailing the story of the king gone mad, exploring the ruined monastery and his private manor, jail, and torture chamber, discovering more details of his tragic fall. |
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| dismiss United Kingdom. May 22 2012 21:02. Posts 176 | Profile Blog # |
Calling people that disagree with you stupid isn't really polemic. Apart from that very little content, No idea why this blog is featured.  |
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| CaptainCrush United States. May 22 2012 21:03. Posts 784 | Profile Blog # |
I noticed Diablo's tits right away. In fact, I had to stop fighting in the beginning long enough to type to my friends about the alarming discovery.
Sigh, how did that get past development? |
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| Sadistx Zimbabwe. May 22 2012 21:16. Posts 5471 | Profile Blog # |
| An entertaining read, even though I disagree with some points! |
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| Osmoses Sweden. May 22 2012 21:33. Posts 2636 | Profile Blog # |
| "Who cares?" is not an argument. The story was still bad, whether you cared or not. Stop using that "argument" as if it had anything to do with the issue. |
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| IntoTheheart Canada. May 22 2012 22:02. Posts 2728 | Profile Blog # |
On May 22 2012 21:33 Osmoses wrote:
"Who cares?" is not an argument. The story was still bad, whether you cared or not. Stop using that "argument" as if it had anything to do with the issue.
His idea was that the story wasn't the focus of the game. I think that Gheed was trying to point out that enjoying a good storyline has never really been Diablo's focus, compared to hackoslashobuttonmasho gameplay. |
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| Tobberoth Sweden. May 22 2012 22:22. Posts 4547 | Profile # |
On May 22 2012 21:33 Osmoses wrote:
"Who cares?" is not an argument. The story was still bad, whether you cared or not. Stop using that "argument" as if it had anything to do with the issue.
If you're a movie reviewer, do you give a movie 1/10 because it lacked interactivity? I doubt it. You have to evaluate things for what they are. Diablo 3 is a hack n slash, it focuses on mashing tons of enemies and getting gear, just like its predecesors. You might feel it would be awesome if the game had a really deep story as well, but that's not something you can fault the game for lacking, there are other games where story is a focus, go praise those instead. |
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| sc4k United Kingdom. May 22 2012 22:58. Posts 4414 | Profile Blog # |
On May 22 2012 19:41 Tobberoth wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 22 2012 19:13 sc4k wrote:
On May 22 2012 16:12 lpstroggoz wrote:
my thoughts on diablo 3:
story sucked
music sucked
no awesome gothic theme like in diablo 1.
i actually knew diablo 3 was going to suck in these areas before i bought it, i was hoping the game would excell in other areas, but it failed alot in other areas too.
hardly any gameplay improvements from diablo 2, it's pretty much the same game.
the few improvements are the spells and abilities, and runes or skilltrees ect are better designed than diablo 2. And interface is better as well obviously. So, hacking and slashing aspect flows better than in D2 imo. Apart from that though the game is garbage.
Remember back to diablo 1 and diablo 2, and remember the difference between those games. Now think of the difference between D2 and D3.
The same goes for brood war and starcraft 2. Starcraft 2 was pretty much the same game as brood war, except with worse story/ singleplayer and better interface.
How the hell does these games take 5+ years to make? You could write the entire story/script for diablo 3 in one day.
Thanks for this post, just been waiting for someone who isn't trying to justify spending money/time/hope on diablo 3 and is honestly looking at the game from a player's perspective. Gheed and others have been close to swaying me to buy the game but now I will hold strong and not buy it until it is cheap.
What's your reason to value his post higher than the OP? The OP is well written and in-depth, while his post is... well, yeah. The game is awesome, but anyone who doesn't want to buy it can obviously just listen to haters, but you don't need people on this forum for that, just go to metacritic if you're looking for overly negative opinions.
Wait I said that Gheed and others have been CLOSE to swaying me. I didn't bomb out Gheed's arguments, other than the story one. I think he makes some good points. However I disagree that it's well-written. But what I do value is the ability of someone who has spent money on a game to point out its weaknesses and say it wasn't worth the money. I always look for good quality fans' reviews and look for the negatives, and see if they are things I would care about. For example I am a huge huge die hard Deus Ex fan, I have a tattoo on my calf of the logo. And I will be the first to admit that Deus Ex 3 is nothing even remotely comparable in quality to Deus Ex.
Also size of blog does not necessarily = quality or usefulness. And unfortunately I just have a gut feeling that a lot of people are still trying to make themselves believe they have spent their hope and money and time well. From the start of seeing the graphics and finding out they were getting rid of arguably the best player character in video gaming history (necromancer), through the journey of various revelations to finally seeing the finished article on youtube videos, I have to say that, although not completely disappointed in how it turned out, I am not very pleased at the final product.
This seems to be like another game where the designers don't seem to have been all die-hard diablo fans, or at least there has been some malign influence somewhere along the creative process perhaps by Activision-Blizzard higher ups. In all honesty it generally is hard to find sequels which live up to or surpass their predecessor. Diablo 2 was perhaps one of the best examples for disproving that general rule. GTA has been a series which consistently produces very high quality sequels too. Warcraft 3 was a great step forward from 2. Red Alert 2 brought a lot of new stuff to the table when compared to 1. However, unfortunately I think that Diablo 3 is destined in the future to be regarded as a less than successful sequel, maybe comparable to Deus Ex 3 actually. And yes I'm sorry to say but I will happily put SC2 in that category too.
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| Osmoses Sweden. May 22 2012 23:06. Posts 2636 | Profile Blog # |
On May 22 2012 22:22 Tobberoth wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 22 2012 21:33 Osmoses wrote:
"Who cares?" is not an argument. The story was still bad, whether you cared or not. Stop using that "argument" as if it had anything to do with the issue.
If you're a movie reviewer, do you give a movie 1/10 because it lacked interactivity? I doubt it. You have to evaluate things for what they are. Diablo 3 is a hack n slash, it focuses on mashing tons of enemies and getting gear, just like its predecesors. You might feel it would be awesome if the game had a really deep story as well, but that's not something you can fault the game for lacking, there are other games where story is a focus, go praise those instead.
I'm not saying the game is terrible because the story sucked. I'm saying the story sucked. I'm also saying that "who cares" is in no way a counterargument to that statement.
Personally I didn't care for the gameplay either, but I know alot of people enjoy it so I supposed that's totally subjective. But the story is objectively shit. It didn't break the game, but it didn't exactly help either.
Here's an anology: you're watching a movie. A hobo in the row behind you suddenly soils himself and starts yelling about Jesus. You might say that the hobo wasn't really part of the movie itself, but that doesn't change the fact that your evening is ruined.Last edit: 2012-05-22 23:16:09 |
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| awu25 United States. May 22 2012 23:08. Posts 1999 | Profile # |
On May 22 2012 16:12 lpstroggoz wrote:
my thoughts on diablo 3:
story sucked
music sucked
no awesome gothic theme like in diablo 1.
i actually knew diablo 3 was going to suck in these areas before i bought it, i was hoping the game would excell in other areas, but it failed alot in other areas too.
hardly any gameplay improvements from diablo 2, it's pretty much the same game.
the few improvements are the spells and abilities, and runes or skilltrees ect are better designed than diablo 2. And interface is better as well obviously. So, hacking and slashing aspect flows better than in D2 imo. Apart from that though the game is garbage.
Remember back to diablo 1 and diablo 2, and remember the difference between those games. Now think of the difference between D2 and D3.
The same goes for brood war and starcraft 2. Starcraft 2 was pretty much the same game as brood war, except with worse story/ singleplayer and better interface.
How the hell does these games take 5+ years to make? You could write the entire story/script for diablo 3 in one day.
Hmm differences between D2 and D3:
-skill/stat system
-inventory changes
-AH
-gold is actually worth somethign
-different quest system
-professions for crafting
Differences between BW and SC2:
-macro mechanics (chrono/queen/MULE)
-matchmaking system
-multiple building selection
-auto mining
-different units
-Did you really expect SC2 to be some completely different game?
I see lots of things different, but obviously some of it is gonna be similar otherwise they wouldn't call it a sequel
Look at any sequel game and it's going to be the same. All the pokemon games, you're still training pokemon. All the GTA games, you're still just running around robbing people and stealing cars. Your point about the games being the same is irrelevant especially when they are tons of differences between the games
Also, go write me a story for Diablo 4 in one day and let me laugh at itLast edit: 2012-05-22 23:18:43 |
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| Heh_ Singapore. May 22 2012 23:29. Posts 2245 | Profile Blog # |
On May 22 2012 06:24 Crazyseal wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 22 2012 03:41 Heh_ wrote:
On May 22 2012 03:32 Crazyseal wrote:
On May 21 2012 22:21 Sated wrote:
On May 21 2012 20:18 Crazyseal wrote:
TBH, i find alot of this review to be incorrect in my opinion. The game is simply just boring. Its an RPG, without any real feel of being an RPG. The game is simply a worse version of WoW, and hold your horses, let me explain why:
1) No open world - This is, imo, a real flaw to the game and eliminates so much of the randomness in RPG's which often make them great, such as ganking or doing random crazy things to people.
2) No factions - Without PvP being implemented from release and the lack of opposition the game is pretty much a vs AI grind fest, which granted some people enjoy, but it is mind numbingly repetitive, without any real strategy. PvP being delayed means that the game is not competitive at all.
3) Small Games - A max of 5 people per game is quite poor for Diablo. Even D2 would allow 8 people max if I recall correctly which allowed a lot more interaction.
4) Exactly the same Quests - Just like in D2, going from one difficulty or character, to another is a mirror image of the game. Even in WoW, which is arguably similar in these instances, there is much more choice in the areas you want to quest , the range of quests and the whole feel of the levelling system.
5) Lack of Skill involved - With the ability to be able to swap and switch everything on your character and its skills, it really destroys the ability for actual skill based game play and the need to level another of the same class, which is what made D2 a brilliant game in terms of continuity.
Just my 2 cents.
1) Diablo has never been open world. If you expect open world from Diablo 3 then you're a retard. This is like complaining that SC2 is terrible because it's not like Mario, or something equally redundant. 2) PvP is pretty pointless until there are enough level 60 characters to go at it... and until people have geared up enough to make it meaningful. Also, as Blizzard have said that they don't intend to balance the game for PvP, people trying to figure out the most imbalanced combinations is the most fun you can expect PvP to get. Diablo isn't really about PvP, PvP is merely an entertaining distraction. 3) It's 4 people. Admittedly, 5 would be better as it would allow one of each class to be in a party. 8 is too many IMO as you never needed 8 people in D2 - you'd end up with people who stood around doing nothing for large parts of the game. 4) So? It's about being able to kill shit, what you're killing shit for is actually irrelevant in a game like this. 5) If you think that then try solo'ing through to Hell or Inferno. You need to use your skills properly. As for team play, teamwork is way more important in D3 than in D2 because the enemy skill increase ("Hell's minions grow stronger") actually makes things harder. In D2, most character builds could solo Hell in an 8 person game, this doesn't seem as likely in D3 due to the myriad of elite mob combinations that will fuck up certain types of build (try a build that relies strongly on kiting against a Frozen Waller or an Arcane Jailer in Hell+ and see how far that gets you, for example).
1) Im not saying that Diablo as a game should change its roots, im saying that itself is the reason to why the game is bad, coupled with the lack of party members deepens this problem. 2) Yeah, so half of what D2 was about is not even relevant anymore. Cool. Whats the point of the game then? 3).... what? 4)... once again, your dumbing down your own argument. It is 100% relevant. It is what makes up the fabric of the game.
If you don't like the game, don't play it. No one's forcing you to play it. If you wanted A, B and C but got A, B and D, either suck it up or find a game that fulfills your criteria. If you got D, E and F instead, it's your fault for buying a game without any prior research.
Im not saying anyone is forcing me to play it im giving you my opinion on the game. And its not my fault, as i did research it and i dident buy it tyvm.
What you did goes something like this: I don't play baseball (or whatever game you desire), but I read up the wikipedia article about it. Turns out that I find the game dumb and boring (without watching a single game), and then proceed to criticize it all over the forums because people throw the ball instead of kicking it around, because they shouldn't use a baseball bat but a sledgehammer instead... the list of potential (absurd) criticisms goes on.
So you didn't buy it. Then why even bother making a long critique about a game which you're not gonna play? I didn't buy ME3 but I'm not gonna shit on it about its bad ending because I NEVER PLAYED IT. |
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| Meerel Germany. May 22 2012 23:51. Posts 269 | Profile # |
| exactly my thoughts, great blog |
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| caradoc Canada. May 23 2012 00:05. Posts 2893 | Profile Blog # |
oh god this is awesome, laughed and laughed, and then agreed.
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| iwearcapes France. May 23 2012 00:24. Posts 143 | Profile Blog # |
| regardless people will always complain and its actually really annoys me. the only problem i have with diablo is the servers. but im sure it will all change . but thats it. people always have to be mad or something. |
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