| LGSaxon United States. June 04 2012 06:49. Posts 32 | Profile Blog # | |
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| PR4Y United States. June 04 2012 07:03. Posts 258 | Profile # |
| You have a lot to learn if you plan on doing freelance work... no offense. |
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| Marti June 04 2012 07:19. Posts 543 | Profile # |
I'm sorry but ... People get scammed all the time ! I mean it's great and all you're telling us about this guy but ... big deal ? A random guy on the internet sent you a mail asking for a design and then didn't pay all of it so what ?
Edit ; the worst this guy can do is scam other people like that, he is not even remotely as annoying as say maphackers.Last edit: 2012-06-04 07:19:59 |
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| Torte de Lini Canada. June 04 2012 07:27. Posts 27325 | Profile Blog # |
| He didn't get anything from you did he? I thought you watermarked. |
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| Ktk Korea (South). June 04 2012 07:52. Posts 708 | Profile Blog # |
That sucks man.
And it does really suck, that's quoted to be more than 10 hours of work for what, half of 35 dollars? 3.50 an hour? Though maybe there should've been an estimate at the beginning of the deal rather than him asking how much after all the work has been put in? |
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| Skiro Netherlands. June 04 2012 07:56. Posts 75 | Profile # |
| you said u put a watermark on it, how can he possibly scam u that way? |
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| Xiron Germany. June 04 2012 08:04. Posts 1161 | Profile # |
| Well in the end he payed you. |
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 GMarshal United States. June 04 2012 08:04. Posts 20904 | Profile Blog # |
1.) don't give out personal info
2.) Don't take this opportunity to advertise. |
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| LGSaxon United States. June 04 2012 08:14. Posts 32 | Profile Blog # |
On June 04 2012 07:03 PR4Y wrote:
You have a lot to learn if you plan on doing freelance work... no offense.
No offense taken thats why I am out there to learn along the way =D |
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| LGSaxon United States. June 04 2012 08:15. Posts 32 | Profile Blog # |
On June 04 2012 08:04 Xiron wrote:
Well in the end he payed you.
He paid half of it |
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| LGSaxon United States. June 04 2012 08:18. Posts 32 | Profile Blog # |
On June 04 2012 07:52 Ktk wrote:
That sucks man.
And it does really suck, that's quoted to be more than 10 hours of work for what, half of 35 dollars? 3.50 an hour? Though maybe there should've been an estimate at the beginning of the deal rather than him asking how much after all the work has been put in?
I'm not charging people alot right now because I am so to speak "green" to the community. Like ive said Im very new to this and very new to working for myself. |
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| fabiano Brazil. June 04 2012 08:24. Posts 3927 | Profile Blog # |
Does not gives you the right to go around spreading his personal information.
It could even be considered crime of defamation...
Btw, how much one of those are worth? The stream overlays I mean.Last edit: 2012-06-04 08:25:51 |
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| Mr. Black United States. June 04 2012 08:29. Posts 409 | Profile Blog # |
As someone who is in a similar business model (I charge for my time) let me give you this advice.
1. Give an estimate of cost up front and stick to it (even if it takes longer than you estimated--this will make you get better at estimates).
2. Get money up front.
3. Agree to terms in writing. A formal contract is best, but at least an email exchange (i.e. One email that says the terms and a return email that says "I accept") that sets out the material terms: price (or rate per hour), amount of deposit, date of delivery, terms for late payment.
4. TALK MONEY EARLY--the later the money talk is had, the worse it goes. Having the talk early is great because you say, "It's going to cost X, and I need Y to get started." And they will either say, "Sure, here's some money," or "Oh, I can't afford that." And both are good, because if they can't pay, you don't have to do the work.
Both parties have some blame here. |
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| LGSaxon United States. June 04 2012 09:26. Posts 32 | Profile Blog # |
On June 04 2012 08:29 Mr. Black wrote:
As someone who is in a similar business model (I charge for my time) let me give you this advice.
1. Give an estimate of cost up front and stick to it (even if it takes longer than you estimated--this will make you get better at estimates).
2. Get money up front.
3. Agree to terms in writing. A formal contract is best, but at least an email exchange (i.e. One email that says the terms and a return email that says "I accept") that sets out the material terms: price (or rate per hour), amount of deposit, date of delivery, terms for late payment.
4. TALK MONEY EARLY--the later the money talk is had, the worse it goes. Having the talk early is great because you say, "It's going to cost X, and I need Y to get started." And they will either say, "Sure, here's some money," or "Oh, I can't afford that." And both are good, because if they can't pay, you don't have to do the work.
Both parties have some blame here.
Thank you for posting this... as i said before Im very "green" to this industry. In the beginning when we spoke things were working out very amicably. I was at fault for not getting money up front. Mostly it was my naivety and having to much faith in the fact he seemed like a decent person. i am well aware that I have things to learn but I think also it need to be pointed out that in researching this guy in an effort to try and contact him i have found that I am not the only person who has had an incident with him. |
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| LGSaxon United States. June 04 2012 09:49. Posts 32 | Profile Blog # |
On June 04 2012 08:24 fabiano wrote:
Does not gives you the right to go around spreading his personal information.
It could even be considered crime of defamation...
Btw, how much one of those are worth? The stream overlays I mean.
I usually charge clients $50 for each overlay (i.e. UI skin overlay & out of game overlays) unless they client has been sent to me from a mutual party such as one of my teams players. Then I charge $35 for each. It also varies in price depending on additional items added to the overlays such as .gif sponsor ads, flash animations and so on |
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| intense555 United States. June 04 2012 10:02. Posts 239 | Profile # |
That sucks. Saxon is a really cool guy and good graphics designer.  |
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| Probe1 United States. June 04 2012 11:34. Posts 16445 | Profile Blog # |
| Also watch out for Camilla Marshall. |
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| Sprungjeezy United States. June 04 2012 11:36. Posts 1196 | Profile Blog # |
I'm kind of surprised at how upset you are. It was pretty clear to me almost immediately that this guy was flakey and you yourself are clearly inexperienced about taking money for this type of work (not necessarily inexperienced in the work itself, just merely the financial aspect). As someone said, giving an estimate at the beginning/possibly requiring payment first (although if you want to get payment first, I recommend getting a portfolio/website together if you don't have one already as this makes it more clear that you are not a kid who just torrented PS and looking to sell cheaply made overlays) and generally making it clear the money is not too negotiable. The more clear it is that you full intend on collecting money, the easier it will be to weed out flakey individuals.
I really don't think this guy was trying to rip you off, I think at the beginning he was definitely interested, but over time he thought about it more and wasn't sure if he needed/wanted it in the end.
But yea, main thing I'd suggest is get used to this unless you build a website/portfolio so you will appear more professional/serious than a passing interest in GFX. Also I recommend a set price for different things whether it's a set of overlays for ingame/out of game or a website template or whatever you intend to sell. Generally after you make a few they're pretty easy to make and won't take long.
On June 04 2012 09:49 LGSaxon wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 04 2012 08:24 fabiano wrote:
Does not gives you the right to go around spreading his personal information.
It could even be considered crime of defamation...
Btw, how much one of those are worth? The stream overlays I mean.
I usually charge clients $50 for each overlay (i.e. UI skin overlay & out of game overlays) unless they client has been sent to me from a mutual party such as one of my teams players. Then I charge $35 for each. It also varies in price depending on additional items added to the overlays such as .gif sponsor ads, flash animations and so on
edit: too bad mannered for me to post I suppose.Last edit: 2012-06-04 11:45:49 |
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| nath United States. June 04 2012 11:57. Posts 1317 | Profile Blog # |
as someone who does freelance work (and has done it for a living) i can tell you you will have to deal with things like this; experience will help you sniff it out (in your description i saw classic warning signs that an experienced freelancer would have picked up on and abandoned the project).
if you can send me your portfolio, i might have some work for you (non e-sports related graphic design). |
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| Sprungjeezy United States. June 04 2012 12:02. Posts 1196 | Profile Blog # |
| Lol, wrong thread. Last edit: 2012-06-04 12:02:55 |
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