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| Treetop United States. June 17 2012 12:28. Posts 128 | Profile Blog # |
Yup, it's long. Sorry!
Much to my sadness, and the sadness of many, many fans out there, professional Brood War is on life support right now, and in a couple of months, it might be dead. For myself, coming in from Starcraft 2, I have listened to all the old time fans and players alike, talking about the greatness of their game. I've heard so much, that I took it upon myself experience the magic for myself, and I'm very glad that I have.
I went to the Nevake channel, and to Moletrap, and others, looking for all the games people talk about. After far too many nights and weekends, I was starting to get it. However, I still don't fully grasp the skill and strategy that is Brood War. I need to make that effort, because if there is something you love, you should really find out where the roots of it came from.
With all the KESPA heroes nearly exclusively playing SC2, we have another opportunity to be in on the ground floor of something special. Something new. The KESPA pros have more resources, more coaches...more everything. Yes, they are behind for now, but that's one of the biggest reasons to stay.
Why you should be watching Proleague
1. The game isn't just one blob vs other blob anymore.
One of the biggest complaints about SC2 from some of the Brood War fans is something along the lines of, both sides build up a giant death ball, fight for 15 seconds and the game is over. Admittedly, that was how it was for a good while. This just isn't the case anymore.
Many forms of early aggression and pressure show up often. A Terran pushing with a smallish bio force toward a Zerg to force out some Lings instead of the ever important Drones. Wild multiple drop play pulling armies out of position to rush back in the front to take out a key expansion. A massive Mech army against a Zerg that never has any intention of fighting it head on, flying Mutalisks around harassing bases, Lings running past, snipping off workers. Picking the Terran apart from the outside instead of trying to force their way inside.
Sure, some games do come down to one push out and fighting at the opponent's ramp. However, that's not even close to the only thing happening anymore. With our Brood War friends, they may be doing that for a little while . They are to a certain extent . However, they have one beautiful resource that the GSL Open Season 1-3 players didn't have: Millions of VODs and replays of players playing correctly. We aren't going to have to wait a year this time before these players get it in their head on what they should be doing. Even now, comparing games from opening day of PL to games that have just been played, they're getting better so fast.
2. Brand New Storylines With the Same Old Cast
Getting into SC2 with this league, is the most exciting thing that's happened to me with this game yet. I've been playing since day one release and I've played every day and watched every day. Nothing has made me more hyped to be a fan than Proleague starting the new game.
For the super old time BW fans, this is 2000 and 2001 all over again. Progamers starting on a voyage of a game that is largely unexplored. Despite all the VODs and replays out there of the original SC2 players, BW teams have big coaching staffs that can find new and fun things to do that no one else has thought of yet. The big innovation will likely start when the Heart of the Swarm expansion pack gets released. It's a brand new toy to play with. New units to shake everything up again. I have no doubt that the KESPA players will be taking a huge charge in reinventing the game that most of us have been playing for two years already.
Oh, the stories there could be. You have this solidified cast of players that you all already know, in the seat, ready to go. Think of all the things that could happen. Will Flash be the immoveable force that he was in BW? Will Stork finally break out of the Kong line and pick up his much deserved gold medals? Will Bisu always be so pretty? Will the Flash and Jaedong rivalry get reignited since the flames of their former battles have begun to dim? Will newer players like Lizzy live up to their current expections of being the best in KESPA? Will decent players that never really got a huge amount of spotlight, like say Roro or PianO, suddenly grasp seemingly super-human skills and move on to dominate? Where we are right now, we get to see all these questions and hundreds more start unfolding before our eyes.
3: We still have more expansions to go.
As the standard game of Brood War goes, there haven't been a whole lot of big changes over the years. Sure, a couple patches here and there, but fundamentally, everyone has always had the same units, they've all had the same abilities. With SC2, we're only in part 1 of a trilogy.
Some may not find this as exciting as I do, but getting the game shaken up pretty radically is fun for me. Getting some new things, taking away some old things. It makes things dynamic and things will most definitely change.
I'm certainly the last person to say that all the SC2 units are fun or inventive. Fungal growth, as is now, is personally my least favorite thing about the game. (Which is annoying being a Zerg player myself) However, with these expansions coming up and a very active (okay, "very active" might be a bit of a stretch, but they are watching) balance team means all of these things can be fixed. Or, if they never are, at some point we'll end up seeing a new Bisu show come along and just change how everything is done. For the next several years, players won't be stuck with a Scout sitting in their Stargate. If it's worthless, it'll go away and something new might show up instead.
4: It's free and at better hours.
Of course, the Europeans do get a bit shafted for live Proleague as I believe it usually starts around 6am or so in England, but as the further east you go, the better the time gets. For NA folks, it can come on around 11 or midnight, which as all you Brood War fans and the current GSL fans know very well, it's a hell of a lot better than staying up until 3am!
The esportstv Youtube channel is streaming all the games, for the folks like like to listen to the super exciting Korean commentators. Or, you have fun other outlets like watching English restreams with people like Sayle, or Ominous or Pokebunny and a couple of others I sadly forgetting. Sayle is the person I watch. He makes the casts fun. He doesn't take it too seriously. When he's broadcasting, it's more of a friend watching games with you and sharing some knowledge when he can. It's not like a strict cast for a tournament. It's relaxed and it's fun. Plenty of interaction with the stream and the chat.
Plus, Kiett is there all the time.
GSL does have the best games out there, no question. GSL also has a pretty damn steep business model for watching the games. If you miss the very low quality free stream at 3am and can't afford the tickets to watch the VODs, you just flat don't get to see it. Even with paying for the premium GSL ticket, in NA at least, the quality is still very very poor. With Proleague so far, the quality still isn't great. It is better than the free GSL stream for sure, and it's only getting better with the new HD (I wouldn't really say HD, but we can hope for next season) stream, on top of getting all the VODs either directly from the source, or the awesome restreamers that do this for us. Doesn't matter when you have time, you can watch!
With the hybrid Proleague and this final OSL, pro Brood War is likely going to go away. It sucks and it doesn't deserve it. However, that's where it is. To all of the folks that are angry that SC2 is taking away Brood War, or it just naturally dying away, I understand being upset. BW still had another five years in it. It was still exciting and it was just as great as it always was. But people in suits make decisions that we can't affect. So SC2 is coming and is here to stay for the time being. Please give it a chance; a real chance. Some folks may have watched some games here and there, or watched the train wreck of play that was the opening day of the hybrid PL. However, I urge you to come back and watch your heroes play again. It's a new challenge for the best of the best to really shine once again. We're on the ground floor of something truly new and exciting with all your favorite players still on stage. Come on the journey to see them realize their potential and rise to the top of greatness yet again. It's going to be fun. |
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| revy United States. June 17 2012 12:38. Posts 1494 | Profile # |
Hmm.. a "you should watch the end of bw and watch sc2" thread in the bw forum. This will end well.
For me the end of BW will be the OSL.The hybrid league is weird, I would be more inclined to watch a pure sc2 proleague than this monstrosity. Players are confused and playing badly in both games. At least in the OSL we can count on players to play some good BW.
For me the final ace match ever was Bisu vs Flash, it was a good game and a good end to a rivalry, and that's really all there is to it. |
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| Xiphos Canada. June 17 2012 12:56. Posts 5732 | Profile Blog # |
| I still can't see shit in battles. In BW, ever single battle pans out nicely that I can tell EVERYTHING that is happening. In SC2, its still blob vs blob battles. That is not to say that you can't micro the blob but with the HP bars over the top, its like a fog of war. |
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| SarcasmMonster June 17 2012 13:00. Posts 2907 | Profile # |
On June 17 2012 12:56 Xiphos wrote:
I still can't see shit in battles. In BW, ever single battle pans out nicely that I can tell EVERYTHING that is happening. In SC2, its still blob vs blob battles. That is not to say that you can't micro the blob but with the HP bars over the top, its like a fog of war.
The HP bars are off by default. They are useful for people who want to micro in small-medium engagements, and a nice feature that SC2 added to the game.
However, the league really should turn them off when observing. |
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| Release United States. June 17 2012 13:05. Posts 3982 | Profile Blog # |
You have to be kidding me. You are trying to convince us to watch SC2?
The graphics alone make it hard to watch. As already mentioned, you can't see shit. Shadows, lighting, 3D, etc, bullshit. It ruins the "game" aspect of starcraft.
As someone who began watching esports through WC3, i can say that SCBW is literally easier to watch than SC2. |
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| KenNage Chile. June 17 2012 13:05. Posts 836 | Profile # |
| how many times do the bw guys have to post that is the game itself that we dont like? and thats not going to change |
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 SlowBullets United States. June 17 2012 13:05. Posts 731 | Profile # |
| Ehh, no thank you. After the BW sets, I pretty much turn the stream off. Thanks anyways. |
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| ii.blitzkrieg Canada. June 17 2012 13:10. Posts 852 | Profile Blog # |
On June 17 2012 13:05 KenNage wrote:
how many times do the bw guys have to post that is the game itself that we dont like? and thats not going to change
You're not listening man. There's expansions coming out!!! |
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 GMarshal United States. June 17 2012 13:11. Posts 20904 | Profile Blog # |
| Moved to blogs to avoid civil war. |
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| krndandaman Mozambique. June 17 2012 13:14. Posts 4448 | Profile Blog # |
i gave sc2 a try while watching proleague (in a long while) yesterday and saw up to flash vs kop
it was better than i thought and was impressed with flash's bw-like play (fast expansion with bunker and that last drop/flank ^^) but sc2 is just so much more inferior as a game imo
bw grabbed me from the start sc2 im just meh'ing over.
i can see why some people like it but sc2 did not win me over and i don't want to put in effort to like a game |
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| HighTemper Canada. June 17 2012 13:16. Posts 3866 | Profile # |
Don't wanna post on SCtoo anymore. SCtoo is the trend now and SCtoo can do what he wants, but please leave the last standing BW sanctuary alone.
Point 2 is ridiculous for any serious sport fans. It's like saying you watched basketball for over 10 years, now it's time to move all the NBA players to water polo. What is better than seeing Kobe Bryant, Lebron James, and Kevin Durant to improve and play another sport in swinsuit?
I could wake up at odd hours for 3 years to watch my BW. But fuck this, I can't watch my fav players to play water polo.+ Show Spoiler +swinsuit all-star on the beach would be nice Last edit: 2012-06-17 13:20:14 |
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| b0lt United States. June 17 2012 13:44. Posts 613 | Profile # |
On June 17 2012 12:28 Treetop wrote:
1. The game isn't just one blob vs other blob anymore.
One of the biggest complaints about SC2 from some of the Brood War fans is something along the lines of, both sides build up a giant death ball, fight for 15 seconds and the game is over. Admittedly, that was how it was for a good while. This just isn't the case anymore.
Having just watched light vs jaehoon, LOL |
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| PrinceXizor United States. June 17 2012 14:58. Posts 4861 | Profile Blog # |
| BTW the BW pros are really really bad at the game. The fact that a few non Pro TLers have winning record vs them on the ladder is testament to that. |
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| corumjhaelen France. June 17 2012 17:58. Posts 4925 | Profile Blog # |
Ok I've read your points. I disagree with 1) on many accounts, I think 2) is stupid, 3) I want to answer "so what ?", and 4 is not really a reason for bw fans.
But I have a better counter-argument.
"Why you shouldn't be watching Proleague, by corumjhaelen
The game quality is absolutely atrocious."
Watch foreign bw events guys, it's much better than this horror. |
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| jpak United States. June 17 2012 21:13. Posts 3745 | Profile Blog # |
| I watched the first couple matches, then decided to boycott proleague because BW games were of horrible quality and SCToo looked worse still. |
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| brolaf June 17 2012 22:04. Posts 219 | Profile # |
| Meh ive tried to watch it a few times and there is some cool strategic play in tvt but in general the feel of the "balls" is still there, it turns me off |
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| endy China. June 18 2012 01:38. Posts 6232 | Profile Blog # |
| To me, it's not even the quality of the games, the game is simply too hard to watch. I've tried hard, with TSL3, then Boxer and Nada games, then some MLG, then Proleague, and the low contrast, the visual effects, the animations (most units seem to levitate, where are my BW zerglings running in every direction ?), the difficulty to see team colors in mirror match ups, and the poor sound effects are what makes it hard for me to enjoy the game. |
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| ninazerg United States. June 18 2012 03:01. Posts 1947 | Profile Blog # |
This blog hurts my SOUL.
1 - Believe in the blob; it is real, and always will be.
2 - I don't want to watch Flash play SC2. I want to watch him play BroodWar. I know this is something that a SC2 fan can never understand, but that's the way it is.
3 - Blizzard can come out with like, 20 more expansions, and I still won't care.
4 - Goddamn it. I don't WANT to watch the GSL at a better time. I want to watch the fucking OSL at a better time. |
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 avilo United States. June 18 2012 03:31. Posts 3245 | Profile Blog # |
Brood war is an amazing game. It's also 10+ years old. So yes, it's time to move on to SC2 which is what the entire SC scene, including the korean scene, is doing.
It's unfortunate that a lot of brood war viewers are elitist and refuse to switch over. Ironically, a lot of SC2 players that have never played brood war enjoy watching brood war quite a bit. I'm sure it's the same for some people the other way around but it seems much more prevalent to see brood war elitists not even giving SC2 a chance rather than the other way around.
But seriously, a lot of you do realize...it's possible to enjoy watching both games...right? |
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| avilo United States. June 18 2012 03:36. Posts 3245 | Profile Blog # |
Also, by the way, arguments for "not being able to see shit" in battles is idiocy. The reason you don't know wtf is going on is because you haven't played the game/given it a chance. I said the same thing before I played SC2 and when I saw the pre-release videos, I'm like, "wow can't see shit don't know what's happening."
No shit you don't know what's happening, if you haven't played the game or don't know the units you won't know wtf is going on. You're naive if you think it's any different with brood war to a non-SC/video game viewer. The only reason you "know what's going on" is because you've watched brood war for the past 10 years. So basically...learn the game and then you "know what's going on."
If you are a new brood war viewer, you wouldn't know wtf is going on at all either and you can say the same thing of, "I can't see/understand wtf is going on." |
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