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| Jinsho United Kingdom. June 18 2012 08:00. Posts 3022 | Profile # |
In A the statement is emphasizing the word "joke".
In B the statement is emphasizing the "currently".
You get the difference now? |
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| husniack June 18 2012 08:01. Posts 113 | Profile Blog # |
On June 18 2012 08:00 Jinsho wrote:
In A the statement is emphasizing the word "joke".
In B the statement is emphasizing the "currently".
You get the difference now?
I do, but if you think about the meaning, doesn't the meaning still seem to be the same? What if you took out the "currently." |
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| Fishgle United States. June 18 2012 08:05. Posts 1577 | Profile Blog # |
TvZ is currently a joke. Currently, TvZ is a joke. TvZ is a joke currently. A joke, is TvZ currently. Currently a joke TvZ is. Currently is TvZ a joke. TvZ currently is a joke. A joke, currently, TvZ is. A joke, currently, is TvZ.
meh. as long as you get the point across. Wouldn't worry too much about syntax. English is a language where the order of words mattes, but there are many languages in which order doesn't matter, or at least is a lot more fluid. Do you speak any other language than english OP? Might help you not get mindfucked by this as much. English kinda forces you to think about the order of things.
For example: Is TvZ currently a joke =/= TvZ is currently a joke.
since feeling is first
who pays any attention
to the syntax of things
will never wholly kiss you
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 sam!zdat United States. June 18 2012 08:12. Posts 4170 | Profile Blog # |
I would not put that adverb at the end.
There's not really rules about this stuff, you just have to develop an ear for it.
If you say: Currently, TvZ is a joke, you are emphasizing the potential for change (ie temporariness)
If you say: TvZ is currently a joke, the emphasis is more on the jokiness
TvZ is a joke currently is not a very good sentence. |
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| DarkPlasmaBall United States. June 18 2012 08:12. Posts 19998 | Profile Blog # |
OP, there is no difference between A and B.
If there were more words in the sentence, then rearranging adjectives and adverbs may change the meaning of a sentence (because then you may be describing or qualifying different things).
But from what you're asking, there's no difference in meaning. |
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| sam!zdat United States. June 18 2012 08:14. Posts 4170 | Profile Blog # |
| Sure, but it's unaesthetic |
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| Jerubaal United States. June 18 2012 08:53. Posts 2520 | Profile # |
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| [UoN]Sentinel United States. June 18 2012 09:05. Posts 2516 | Profile Blog # |
Currently a joke TvZ is.
That would be Yoda.
But both would work, but I think A would make more sense written as "TvZ is a joke (currently)". It's a slightly different meaning, but that's what I think of when I see the words ordered like that.
Like everyone above me says, all matters on emphasis. |
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| AiurZ United States. June 18 2012 10:14. Posts 340 | Profile Blog # |
| one of the function tests of adverbs is that they can be moved freely around the sentence |
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| sam!zdat United States. June 18 2012 10:20. Posts 4170 | Profile Blog # |
| "freely" would be putting strongly it. |
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| Archas United States. June 18 2012 10:21. Posts 5595 | Profile Blog # |
On June 18 2012 08:53 Jerubaal wrote:
You should learn the rules before you learn to break the rules.
You know the rules, and so do I. |
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| Gheed United States. June 18 2012 10:24. Posts 962 | Profile Blog # |
| Since you seem interested, "linguistic" is already an adjective, so adding "-al" to it is a hypercorrection. |
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| [UoN]Sentinel United States. June 18 2012 10:31. Posts 2516 | Profile Blog # |
On June 18 2012 10:14 AiurZ wrote:
one of the function tests of adverbs is that they can be moved freely around the sentence
Not really "freely".
Nearly is an adverb. In the sentence "My mouse is nearly out of batteries." Nearly describes "out". The only way I see the sentence making sense is "My mouse nearly is out of batteries.", and other than those 2 scenarios I don't see anything. |
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| Gheed United States. June 18 2012 10:36. Posts 962 | Profile Blog # |
On June 18 2012 10:31 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 10:14 AiurZ wrote:
one of the function tests of adverbs is that they can be moved freely around the sentence
Not really "freely". Nearly is an adverb. In the sentence "My mouse is nearly out of batteries." Nearly describes "out". The only way I see the sentence making sense is "My mouse nearly is out of batteries.", and other than those 2 scenarios I don't see anything.
Nearly modifies is, not out.
Example of variable adverb placement:
I frequently enjoy bananas.
I enjoy bananas frequently.
Frequently, I enjoy bananas.
Frequently do I enjoy bananas.Last edit: 2012-06-18 10:37:23 |
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| sam!zdat United States. June 18 2012 10:43. Posts 4170 | Profile Blog # |
I think nearly modifies "out" not "is"
edit: maybe you're rightLast edit: 2012-06-18 10:44:36 |
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| docvoc United States. June 18 2012 10:49. Posts 3457 | Profile Blog # |
| People have already made comments about this, but its about what NrG.LuckyFool wanted to emphasize, and I'm going to guess he wanted to emphasize the "joke" part of his statement, therefore he wants to say its a joke currently, for two reasons: one is that since its in the middle of the sentence, it flows more obviously and will be modified and not turned into a modifier, which brings me to two, which is that currently modifies joke whereas if he were to say it is currently a joke, joke would modify what is currently and not visa versa. Its actually pretty awesome how well LuckyFool writes really, he says exactly what he means to say, which is more than i can say haha. |
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| Gheed United States. June 18 2012 10:50. Posts 962 | Profile Blog # |
Take a simpler sentence: My bucket is nearly full.
Nearly is modifying how full the bucket "is."
"Out of batteries" is serving to describe what his mouse nearly is.
Edit: this is not to say that adverbs cannot modify adjectives. However, in the case of being "out of something" or "full," those are binary states. So you can't be "almost out" of batteries. You are either out of batteries or you are not. You can "almost be" out of batteries or "be nearly" full, though.Last edit: 2012-06-18 10:57:41 |
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| sam!zdat United States. June 18 2012 11:00. Posts 4170 | Profile Blog # |
On June 18 2012 10:50 Gheed wrote: those are binary states..
Yeah that's why I decided you were right. gheed: 1, samizdat: 0
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