Short summary: I have been playing since the beta. I've pretty much given up all games except SC2. I've given up friends or a social life and pretty much dropped out of college because I would spend more time watching GSL/MLG other tournaments and playing this game than studying, I just have a job. I have about 1500 league wins. I never play team games. I am in plat league on NA as terran. I realize that in saying all this, it could be said that I am the worst player in the world. It makes no sense to me as a person how I could have dedicated all this time and money (newer computer that can run SC2 well, decent mouse, mechanical keyboard) and have been playing for literally years and sometimes spend hours at a time playing this game, and I am still terrible at it.
I like to think I enjoy SC2. I like to think that the same way other people might enjoy soccer or some other sport, SC2 is just a hobby for me and is harmless. I like to think that how some people exercise their minds through puzzles or reading or whatever they enjoy, SC2 is just my way of having fun. I am just tired of losing at this game. It makes no sense to me how anyone can play this game for so long and be so terrible at it the way I have managed to do so. It's especially hard when I hear stories of people literally playing 50 games and making master's easily. For me even making diamond seems like such an impossible goal that I've tried desperately for 2 years.
I have just lost about 7 games in a row after waking up at 10pm at night after doing nothing but playing this game when I was awake, to instantly wanting to play again because I just couldn't stop thinking about how much I need to improve.
I realize I will never be a pro player or probably even a decent player at this point. I used to think that if I could just put the time in effort into it and learn standard build orders and how to execute them, I could become good. But the more time I try to play this game, the more it just seems impossible.
I only have on question: Is it possible that in the same way some people are naturally just better than others at RTS games than other people, is it possible that some people are naturally terrible at this game, no matter how much they enjoy it or try to improve?
It's just tiring. I sometime look back at my life before I was introduced to this game and think of how much better it was. I had friends, I was doing well in university and would spend time studying, I would go to the gym and work out. The thing about all these things is that it never seemed to matter if I was 'naturally' athletic or 'naturally' smart, what I learned from going to school and the gym was that if somebody puts the effort into these things, they will succeed. In this game I have not seen that. I've kept trying to tell myself that it's true, or that I can and will improve. But it's just tiring. I am tired of being in gold/plat level for 2 years. It's frustrating seeing yourself play more and more games, more and more of your free time disappears and all that happens is a lower ladder ranking and mmr. I cannot emphasize enough how tired I am. I feel like this game is more like a drug addiction to me than a hobby anymore. I don't gain anything. I don't improve. I just get more tired and keep playing and spending more time and feeling like a worse and worse person because of how terrible I am.
This might fit better into blogs or whatever but since it's SC2 related I decided to post it here
Eat, exercise, and sleep well. That alone will save you from making a lot of dumb mistakes in games, due to having a healthy and focused mind. Hearing you talk about starting to play @ 10 p.m. after just waking up (WTF? And apparently that sleep was just a break from more playing earlier...) doesn't sound healthy at all, man.
I'm in Diamond, and I play twice as well when I've had a good night's sleep and have been eating properly, compared to something like a bad weekend schedule where I don't get a proper sleep and skip a meal.
Once you get that down, then maybe you can take a look at what you're doing in the game itself.
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BreakfastBurrito United States. July 02 2012 13:45. Posts 676
On July 02 2012 13:38 SilverWolfe wrote:I only have on question: Is it possible that in the same way some people are naturally just better than others at RTS games than other people, is it possible that some people are naturally terrible at this game, no matter how much they enjoy it or try to improve?
Maybe you're not practicing the right way? I don't know the right way, but if you are not improving on your current practice routines, maybe you need to change the way you practice. And about your question regarding if there are people who are naturally good at RTS; yes I think there are people like that but I like to think that anyone can achieve what he/she wants if they really wanted to and they are able to (I mean, person is not handicapped physically, mentally, etc.), and that goes not only for games.
Supamang United States. July 02 2012 13:48. Posts 2085
This is possibly one of the saddest posts Ive read here on TL that wasn't in the General Forum, and I don't mean that as an insult.
Honestly, they way to stop losing? Stop over committing yourself to this game if you've already realized you wont be a pro player. If you aren't gonna be a pro, why would you give up your education, career, social life, sex life, etc. for it?
Unless you actually take more pleasure in SC2 than all those things, which from your tone it doesn't sound like you do, I've no doubt in my mind that you will stop "losing" once you start getting your priorities straight. Again, this is not meant as an insult.
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OutlaW- Czech Republic. July 02 2012 13:48. Posts 3405
blog post, and either you are very unlucky (which i don't think is very likely) to have some horrible brain attributes that make video games impossible for you, you have been doing something wrong with such a big amount of time spent trying to improve correctly, almost everybody could get to at least mid master imo
Neeblet United States. July 02 2012 13:48. Posts 8
I would say yes, some people are just naturally better than others at RTS games. I immediately got from silver - diamond in 2 weeks when I began to play and not just watch sc back about a year ago. Every season I seem to improve greatly playing 1 or 2 games a day. Since last september being in diamond I just got gm during last season. So yea, I guess some people are naturally better than others. I have 1000 league wins if you were wondering.
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wozzot United States. July 02 2012 13:49. Posts 779
I feel you man. I've been playing Starcraft since the BW days and got into SC2 this past spring. I feel like I've poured a decent chunk of my life in to watching vods and playing regularly. It's hard to say whether I sacrificed my social life for SC or I lean on SC because I'm socially inept, but it's definitely saddening when I don't feel like I'm improving at Starcraft when I'm spending so much time on it.
I finally made it to Diamond this season, but the competition just gets fiercer and the wall just seems higher and higher.
All I can say is that improving in SC2 takes an incredible balance of improving your macro, identifying and admitting to your own mistakes in the game, analyzing what the people in the next rank are doing that your not, and eliminating dumb mistakes within the game.
It definitely helps to have friend at your level or above.
I would suggest checking out "darglein's micro trainer" map to work on micro. SC2 ladder doesn't really offer you too many chances to practice those death ball vs death ball scenarios which are SO important.
Good luck dude.
OutlaW- Czech Republic. July 02 2012 13:50. Posts 3405
On July 02 2012 13:48 Neeblet wrote: I would say yes, some people are just naturally better than others at RTS games. I immediately got from silver - diamond in 2 weeks when I began to play and not just watch sc back about a year ago. Every season I seem to improve greatly playing 1 or 2 games a day. Since last september being in diamond I just got gm during last season. So yea, I guess some people are naturally better than others. I have 1000 league wins if you were wondering.
what the hell does that have to do with anything? In 2 years, you got from silver to GM and you think you are naturally talented? don't make me laugh
You can't just mass games and you gotta give up on the notion of fun if you want to improve Sure you can have fun but spending hours going through replays and analyzing them, or playing micro testers and multi tasking testers over and over and over is really tedious but is something you gotta do to improve. Go into chat channels and look for masters players willing to stomp you over and over and do that - watch replays - learn why you lost and how to fix that problem Also you NEED to exercise, sleep well, eat healthy etc. I play two leagues better when I'm well rested, have been going to gym and have been eating healthy. Lately I do none of those and I lose a lot yet at my peak I was beating low gm players and now I lose to diamonds because I eat too much sweets and get 3 hours of sleep a night and don't exercise
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Sounds like you need to take a break from the game and figure out what you truly want to do with your life. Also, you dropped out of college to continue playing a game that will NEVER give you a secure financial future? If you this is honestly true, you need to talk to your parents and/or a therapist.
There is a difference between enjoying game as a hobby and having an obsession that is ruining your life.
SiNKami United States. July 02 2012 13:51. Posts 1788
New equipment wont change how well you play until you're already pro. If you have 1500 wins and you're still plat that means that you've gotten into a bad habit of doing somethin that you think is right and is clearly wrong. I started playing this game in january 2011 as a bronze protoss player, now im a masters toss and terran player.
EDIT: Actually, if you only have 1500 wins in total after the game being out for almost 2 years now, you CLEARLY need to play more if you want to improve. I have 3 accounts with at least 1000 ladder wins on all 3 (not even going to count how many practice games and tourny games I played). Put more time into it. you dont just become good overnight
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CuSToM United States. July 02 2012 13:51. Posts 1246
I am with you man I have like three smurf accounts plus a Europe / Korea account for more practice but have been diamond since Season 1... Kanye West once said "diamonds are forever" but he was lying cause now I am in platinum... I spend most of my Friday and Saturday nights laddering and have close to 2k league wins (95% 1v1) across my accounts. I have a part time job and get really busy with school a lot so I like to use that as an excuse but I care a lot so it depresses me since I dedicate so much time and money with my accounts (also bought $300 worth of RAM so I could force field in late game).
I was really close to master's twice but ended up falling apart once the pressure was on and it seemed like the games started to matter more. It sucks. It makes me sad. We should both leave this game and play League of Legends together.
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MadVillian United States. July 02 2012 13:52. Posts 106
Did you start off as Platinum? If not, where did you place season 1? I think your mindset could be what is holding you back, but I don't know for sure. My brother was stuck in gold for a while and the game was only making him aggravated. So, he took a week or two off the game, came back and landed himself in platinum the next season (currently in high diamond). I am sure you can get out of platinum.
Focus on small things that you can change in your play that can make you better and grow from there.