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| SiNKami United States. July 02 2012 16:15. Posts 1788 | Profile Blog # |
On July 02 2012 14:01 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 02 2012 13:51 LgNKami wrote:
EDIT: Actually, if you only have 1500 wins in total after the game being out for almost 2 years now, you CLEARLY need to play more if you want to improve. I have 3 accounts with at least 1000 ladder wins on all 3 (not even going to count how many practice games and tourny games I played). Put more time into it. you dont just become good overnight
Thats just stupid. However as someone mentioned above it can be helpful to ask a master's player to play with you and just look over your fundamentals to see if their is something that you shouldn't be doing.
? im already masters.. |
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| Rah United States. July 02 2012 16:17. Posts 918 | Profile # |
Sticking to the in-game issue, maintaining a rank for 2 years is actually improving, just not as fast as you'd like. A lot of the bad players have already left the ladder. I'm one of them, I was diamond on release and I'm sure if I came back now I'd be bronze or silver.
edit: Gotta say this, psychiatrists are useless and leave you with less money. Change comes from yourself.Last edit: 2012-07-02 16:22:45 |
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| tdt United States. July 02 2012 16:17. Posts 3096 | Profile # |
| Some ppl have no skills. I have ~ 750 under my belt and ocillate between plat and diamond depending how much I play. Just get over it. I can dunk a basketball I bet Idra cant. We all have different skills we are good at and conversely bad at. |
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| echobong Canada. July 02 2012 16:18. Posts 89 | Profile # |
| Quit the game dude. Mechanical Keyboard? You fell for the progaming schtick hook-line-and-sinker. You're supposed to play for fun and realize you're good before you ascend to some prolevel tier. Not go through the motions and make it into Code S. There truly is some natural talent needed to get to that god level, and the world will tell you it comes with dedication and hardwork, but there are a few magical factors and if you haven't seen those things in your play yet - and it's frustrating you *this* much...well, I'd get out. |
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 yeint Estonia. July 02 2012 16:19. Posts 2328 | Profile # |
On July 02 2012 15:59 papaz wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 02 2012 15:54 yeint wrote:
On July 02 2012 13:58 Clarity_nl wrote:
Why are people in this thread giving STARCRAFT advice? Clearly not what the OP needs right now...
Armchair psychiatrists making diagnoses based on one post written after a losing streak is also not what the OP needs right now.
Are you serious? A guy created a thread beginning with "dropped out of college because I am watching/playing Starcraft and I have given up social life and friends..." and THAT is not screaming "help me"? You mean to tell me this guy is in desperate need of strategy advice so that he can get a masters icon and everything would be fine then?
No, I'm just saying you have no basis to psychoanalyze a stranger based on not knowing a damn thing about him other than one post.
I gave up on "friends" about 8 years ago, because I just didn't find those people actually interesting or worth spending time with. They're just people who are geographically related to me. I have my wife for everyday conversation (we share interests, omg!) siblings and a few social acquaintances who I like to go out with when I feel like it.
I also tend to get obsessed over things. I've been a near-obsessed fan of a band, I've been far too deeply into politics, I've been a hardcore WoW player for a two year stretch where I would need to take naps in the bathroom at work. And I've been really into SC2, although not for as long as the OP.
I had the same questions the OP did when that band broke up, when I became disillusioned with politics, etc. It felt like since I had invested so much into something, how can I possibly justify just letting it go.
I'm in my 30s now and I realize that this is just who I am. I am happy. I've learned that my obsessions come and go and I can keep the good parts of it. I've learned that I'm just not comfortable with too much social interaction. I'm not socially awkward or unpopular, I just don't need to be around people as much as others. I like my obsessions. I like taking a week off work and doing NOTHING but playing a video game. I like learning a completely useless foreign language because I fucking feel like it.
The thing the OP needs is to understand why he's not improving. It's more likely that it's just that he likes being "into" things more than he likes the rather intense regimen of training for RTS.
He does not need alarmist laypeople calling him "borderline suicidal", and telling him to quit the thing that's most important to him cold turkey. Where the hell do you get off being that arrogant? The dude just got off a 7 game losing streak when he made the post, and you presume to psychoanalyze him based on things written in frustration?
I could just as easily psychoanalyze Jinro as some sort of violent thug because he punches walls after losing. But I'd be an idiot if I did that. |
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| ke_ivan Singapore. July 02 2012 16:20. Posts 333 | Profile # |
Yeah, I've been in Bronze for two years now (ok that's lying, I drifted in and out of silver), but it's because I've had other stuff. There was a time it took over my life and I wasn't doing anything but watching and playing SC2. Then I watched day9, and I wanted to be a nerd that could do more for esports than just play the game. In that same segment I watched I also realised that if you wanted to be good at SC2, you need to a) have fun, b) have a balanced lifestyle c) play to improve, not play to win. Getting to the next league is just an indicator of improvement.
From what you described, SC2 sounds more like an addiction. I think Liquid Jinro's right to say that you should stop, at least for now. And as others have said, just get your life on track first. When you come back, you will see things with greater clarity. Also, in my experience, the SC community is very, very helpful in general (as this post evidently shows. but also as a lowly bronze player getting practice time with Masters league friends who I met online). I'm sure we'll all be able to help you out if or when you choose to come back. |
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| Exempt. United States. July 02 2012 16:20. Posts 410 | Profile # |
On July 02 2012 16:10 vaderseven wrote:
SIGH, dont know why people think a guy playing one and a half hours a day and maybe watching games 2x as much as that means that sc2 addiction is the root of his problems.
that's 5 hours a day plus time spent on forums bro. It's a lot of time. |
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| Kamwah United Kingdom. July 02 2012 16:20. Posts 724 | Profile # |
Whether you quit or stay your attitude towards the game needs to change. You'll find that with a better attitude and approach that losses won't crush you as much and you'll find learning from your mistakes become something you don't feel bitter about.
Also join a community and make friends, learning together is always fun. |
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| yeint Estonia. July 02 2012 16:23. Posts 2328 | Profile # |
On July 02 2012 16:15 las91 wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 02 2012 16:10 vaderseven wrote:
SIGH, dont know why people think a guy playing one and a half hours a day and maybe watching games 2x as much as that means that sc2 addiction is the root of his problems.
Good thing you didn't read the thread, otherwise you would have in the OP that the game has had a fairly negative impact on pretty much every aspect of the OPs personal life.
Based on your totally unreasonable assessment of what the OP should value in his personal life. |
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| vaderseven United States. July 02 2012 16:26. Posts 2264 | Profile # |
On July 02 2012 16:20 Exempt. wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 02 2012 16:10 vaderseven wrote:
SIGH, dont know why people think a guy playing one and a half hours a day and maybe watching games 2x as much as that means that sc2 addiction is the root of his problems.
that's 5 hours a day plus time spent on forums bro. It's a lot of time.
Thats not a sc2 addiction. Thats a time management problem. There is a huge HUGE difference. |
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| Rah United States. July 02 2012 16:26. Posts 918 | Profile # |
On July 02 2012 16:19 yeint wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 02 2012 15:59 papaz wrote:
On July 02 2012 15:54 yeint wrote:
On July 02 2012 13:58 Clarity_nl wrote:
Why are people in this thread giving STARCRAFT advice? Clearly not what the OP needs right now...
Armchair psychiatrists making diagnoses based on one post written after a losing streak is also not what the OP needs right now.
Are you serious? A guy created a thread beginning with "dropped out of college because I am watching/playing Starcraft and I have given up social life and friends..." and THAT is not screaming "help me"? You mean to tell me this guy is in desperate need of strategy advice so that he can get a masters icon and everything would be fine then?
No, I'm just saying you have no basis to psychoanalyze a stranger based on not knowing a damn thing about him other than one post. I gave up on "friends" about 8 years ago, because I just didn't find those people actually interesting or worth spending time with. They're just people who are geographically related to me. I have my wife for everyday conversation (we share interests, omg!) siblings and a few social acquaintances who I like to go out with when I feel like it. I also tend to get obsessed over things. I've been a near-obsessed fan of a band, I've been far too deeply into politics, I've been a hardcore WoW player for a two year stretch where I would need to take naps in the bathroom at work. And I've been really into SC2, although not for as long as the OP. I had the same questions the OP did when that band broke up, when I became disillusioned with politics, etc. It felt like since I had invested so much into something, how can I possibly justify just letting it go. I'm in my 30s now and I realize that this is just who I am. I am happy. I've learned that my obsessions come and go and I can keep the good parts of it. I've learned that I'm just not comfortable with too much social interaction. I'm not socially awkward or unpopular, I just don't need to be around people as much as others. I like my obsessions. I like taking a week off work and doing NOTHING but playing a video game. I like learning a completely useless foreign language because I fucking feel like it. The thing the OP needs is to understand why he's not improving. It's more likely that it's just that he likes being "into" things more than he likes the rather intense regimen of training for RTS. He does not need alarmist laypeople calling him "borderline suicidal", and telling him to quit the thing that's most important to him cold turkey. Where the hell do you get off being that arrogant? The dude just got off a 7 game losing streak when he made the post, and you presume to psychoanalyze him based on things written in frustration? I could just as easily psychoanalyze Jinro as some sort of violent thug because he punches walls after losing. But I'd be an idiot if I did that.
QFT. This dude gets it.Last edit: 2012-07-02 16:33:48 |
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| papaz Sweden. July 02 2012 16:31. Posts 3758 | Profile # |
On July 02 2012 16:19 yeint wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 02 2012 15:59 papaz wrote:
On July 02 2012 15:54 yeint wrote:
On July 02 2012 13:58 Clarity_nl wrote:
Why are people in this thread giving STARCRAFT advice? Clearly not what the OP needs right now...
Armchair psychiatrists making diagnoses based on one post written after a losing streak is also not what the OP needs right now.
Are you serious? A guy created a thread beginning with "dropped out of college because I am watching/playing Starcraft and I have given up social life and friends..." and THAT is not screaming "help me"? You mean to tell me this guy is in desperate need of strategy advice so that he can get a masters icon and everything would be fine then?
No, I'm just saying you have no basis to psychoanalyze a stranger based on not knowing a damn thing about him other than one post. I gave up on "friends" about 8 years ago, because I just didn't find those people actually interesting or worth spending time with. They're just people who are geographically related to me. I have my wife for everyday conversation (we share interests, omg!) siblings and a few social acquaintances who I like to go out with when I feel like it. I also tend to get obsessed over things. I've been a near-obsessed fan of a band, I've been far too deeply into politics, I've been a hardcore WoW player for a two year stretch where I would need to take naps in the bathroom at work. And I've been really into SC2, although not for as long as the OP. I had the same questions the OP did when that band broke up, when I became disillusioned with politics, etc. It felt like since I had invested so much into something, how can I possibly justify just letting it go. I'm in my 30s now and I realize that this is just who I am. I am happy. I've learned that my obsessions come and go and I can keep the good parts of it. I've learned that I'm just not comfortable with too much social interaction. I'm not socially awkward or unpopular, I just don't need to be around people as much as others. I like my obsessions. I like taking a week off work and doing NOTHING but playing a video game. I like learning a completely useless foreign language because I fucking feel like it. The thing the OP needs is to understand why he's not improving. It's more likely that it's just that he likes being "into" things more than he likes the rather intense regimen of training for RTS. He does not need alarmist laypeople calling him "borderline suicidal", and telling him to quit the thing that's most important to him cold turkey. Where the hell do you get off being that arrogant? The dude just got off a 7 game losing streak when he made the post, and you presume to psychoanalyze him based on things written in frustration? I could just as easily psychoanalyze Jinro as some sort of violent thug because he punches walls after losing. But I'd be an idiot if I did that.
Then tell me, what is any of the really personal stuff you wrote relevant to start a thread with if all you are asking for is advice on how to get out of platinum league?
Why not just say: I have played SC2 for nearly 2 years and dedicated many hours playing, yet I am still in platinum league and I'd like to get some advice on how to improve.
Jinro didn't create a thread starting off by talking about his violent behaviour and then asking for SC2 advice so I don't even understand how you make that as a relevant comparison.
I am not giving him a diagnosis but if you really don't see that a guy starting a thread with personal information needs some help in life there is nothing more we need to discuss.
Also Jinro has already replied to this thread:
On July 02 2012 15:54 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
You really need to quit, it's a lot shorter road back to a healthy life than you probably think right now.... But the longer you wait the harder it will be. Yeah maybe you wasted the last two years, not a big deal as long as you don't let it waste any more.
Also, I can emphasize with a ton of the feelings you have (believe it or not). I actually don't think it's nearly as much about natural talent as you think, it's just about having the right mindset for learning, and actually still wanting to play and not playing because you are chasing ladder points.
None of that matters tho, the game is clearly not a healthy component of your life right now and you should find something else to do with your time.
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| Reborn8u United States. July 02 2012 16:32. Posts 1580 | Profile Blog # |
It sounds to me like you may be suffering from some form of obsessive compulsive disorder. It is very common in my family. Chances are that this isn't the first time you've obsessed over something, and if you don't get proper help it won't be your last. If you can't afford or just don't feel comfortable with talking to a professional mental health doctor, perhaps you should do some reading about it, and start asking yourself some tough questions. Typically, denial is the first phase, you clearly have gotten over that on your own. But the phases of addiction are typically as follows Denial > sadness > anger > bargaining with yourself > Acceptance. Often we bounce around, in and out, back and forth through the phases.
Just understanding this disorder and yourself better, may help you. I'm no doctor so I could be wrong, or there could be several other factors at work here. Anyway, you need to break away from starcraft and spend some time looking inward, and get some guidance. Just leaving starcraft on it's own may not be the answer, because you may just move to another obsession to fill the void it leaves. It's a vicious cycle, and your life will be richer and fuller if you get help over coming your own flaws. But starcraft itself isn't the problem, there is something underlying at work here and starcraft is just what happens to be feeding it. You need to get at the root of the problem and face it, and get help in doing so! Good luck to you sir, I wish you well. Last edit: 2012-07-02 16:36:31 |
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| InfernoStarcraft Australia. July 02 2012 16:33. Posts 132 | Profile # |
On July 02 2012 13:38 SilverWolfe wrote:
I've given up friends or a social life and pretty much dropped out of college because I would spend more time watching GSL/MLG other tournaments and playing this game than studying, I just have a job.
I like to think I enjoy SC2. I like to think that the same way other people might enjoy soccer or some other sport, SC2 is just a hobby for me and is harmless
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this makes 0 sense to me.Last edit: 2012-07-02 16:33:26 |
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| yeint Estonia. July 02 2012 16:36. Posts 2328 | Profile # |
On July 02 2012 16:31 papaz wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 02 2012 16:19 yeint wrote:
On July 02 2012 15:59 papaz wrote:
On July 02 2012 15:54 yeint wrote:
On July 02 2012 13:58 Clarity_nl wrote:
Why are people in this thread giving STARCRAFT advice? Clearly not what the OP needs right now...
Armchair psychiatrists making diagnoses based on one post written after a losing streak is also not what the OP needs right now.
Are you serious? A guy created a thread beginning with "dropped out of college because I am watching/playing Starcraft and I have given up social life and friends..." and THAT is not screaming "help me"? You mean to tell me this guy is in desperate need of strategy advice so that he can get a masters icon and everything would be fine then?
No, I'm just saying you have no basis to psychoanalyze a stranger based on not knowing a damn thing about him other than one post. I gave up on "friends" about 8 years ago, because I just didn't find those people actually interesting or worth spending time with. They're just people who are geographically related to me. I have my wife for everyday conversation (we share interests, omg!) siblings and a few social acquaintances who I like to go out with when I feel like it. I also tend to get obsessed over things. I've been a near-obsessed fan of a band, I've been far too deeply into politics, I've been a hardcore WoW player for a two year stretch where I would need to take naps in the bathroom at work. And I've been really into SC2, although not for as long as the OP. I had the same questions the OP did when that band broke up, when I became disillusioned with politics, etc. It felt like since I had invested so much into something, how can I possibly justify just letting it go. I'm in my 30s now and I realize that this is just who I am. I am happy. I've learned that my obsessions come and go and I can keep the good parts of it. I've learned that I'm just not comfortable with too much social interaction. I'm not socially awkward or unpopular, I just don't need to be around people as much as others. I like my obsessions. I like taking a week off work and doing NOTHING but playing a video game. I like learning a completely useless foreign language because I fucking feel like it. The thing the OP needs is to understand why he's not improving. It's more likely that it's just that he likes being "into" things more than he likes the rather intense regimen of training for RTS. He does not need alarmist laypeople calling him "borderline suicidal", and telling him to quit the thing that's most important to him cold turkey. Where the hell do you get off being that arrogant? The dude just got off a 7 game losing streak when he made the post, and you presume to psychoanalyze him based on things written in frustration? I could just as easily psychoanalyze Jinro as some sort of violent thug because he punches walls after losing. But I'd be an idiot if I did that.
Then tell me, what is any of the really personal stuff you wrote relevant to start a thread with if all you are asking for is advice on how to get out of platinum league?
He's frustrated. He just lost 7 games in a row. He's been playing for 2 years and has plateaud, of course he's going to list the reasons why he thinks he should be better.
I am not giving him a diagnosis but if you really don't see that a guy starting a thread with personal information needs some help in life there is nothing more we need to discuss.
People who debate via ultimatum are correct - there is indeed nothing more we need to discuss.Last edit: 2012-07-02 16:36:22 |
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| yeint Estonia. July 02 2012 16:37. Posts 2328 | Profile # |
On July 02 2012 16:32 Reborn8u wrote:
It sounds to me like you may be suffering from some form of obsessive compulsive disorder.
I'm no doctor so I could be wrong
Ya think? |
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| rufflesQueso July 02 2012 16:37. Posts 100 | Profile # |
On July 02 2012 16:05 SilverWolfe wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 02 2012 15:54 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
You really need to quit, it's a lot shorter road back to a healthy life than you probably think right now.... But the longer you wait the harder it will be. Yeah maybe you wasted the last two years, not a big deal as long as you don't let it waste any more.
Also, I can emphasize with a ton of the feelings you have (believe it or not). I actually don't think it's nearly as much about natural talent as you think, it's just about having the right mindset for learning, and actually still wanting to play and not playing because you are chasing ladder points.
None of that matters tho, the game is clearly not a healthy component of your life right now and you should find something else to do with your time.
Wow... I never thought I'd see the day when Jinro would be giving me advice. I guess all things considered after making/reading through this thread, I should really try to find interests besides starcraft. It feels really bitter and I'll keep feeling that call to play and try to get promoted, but I guess that everyone in this thread must be telling me the same thing for a reason. I don't think I can just turn my back on starcraft because honestly and truly, I love this game. I love watching the tournaments, I love following the players, I love learning new builds and watching new builds get used in tournaments, I love watching the BW players switch, I love our community and our casters. I guess the only problem is myself and what I've let my life become. It feels good to hear someone like Jinro tell me that it's not just about talent and that I could improve if I had the right mindset, but I guess the most important thing right now is trying to get my life to a point where I can say I have a healthy mindset. People in these threads and even people in my life (at home, former friends, co-workers) all tell me I seem like I don't have a healthy mindset about things. I will reduce how much I play and try not to be so obsessed with the game, I'll try to find other interests and things I can enjoy. And maybe when I have a balanced life I can enjoy this game with a healthy state of mind and improve that way.
I'm very very happy for you that someone (Liquid`Jinro no less!) has managed to persuade you to re-evaluate your current life situation.
I wish you the best, dude! Go find other interests and balance your time. Enjoy the other aspects of life :D |
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| Exempt. United States. July 02 2012 16:38. Posts 410 | Profile # |
On July 02 2012 16:26 vaderseven wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 02 2012 16:20 Exempt. wrote:
On July 02 2012 16:10 vaderseven wrote:
SIGH, dont know why people think a guy playing one and a half hours a day and maybe watching games 2x as much as that means that sc2 addiction is the root of his problems.
that's 5 hours a day plus time spent on forums bro. It's a lot of time.
Thats not a sc2 addiction. Thats a time management problem. There is a huge HUGE difference.
How about the part where it's a negative impact to his life? You don't need to post with an aggressive tone, relax bucko.
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| oxxo July 02 2012 16:39. Posts 944 | Profile # |
| Everyone has a skill cap on everything in life. SC2 is a game, play for fun just like people play pickup basketball or football for fun without any illusion being the best (Masters/GM) or in the NBA/NFL (pros). |
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| OGzan United States. July 02 2012 16:41. Posts 255 | Profile # |
| Make new friends online, eat well, and exercise. Your personal life should be your top priority. You can have SC2 at the top of the list, but don't make it number one. |
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