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| Clarity_nl Netherlands. July 02 2012 15:31. Posts 3283 | Profile # |
On July 02 2012 15:25 SniXSniPe wrote:
Some questions for you:
Changing your hot-key set up? Do you hot-key your entire army on 1 hot-key? Do you find yourself struggling to press the correct hot-key at times in game?
Increasing Mouse/Keyboard speeds? (for instance, I play at with my mouse @ 1800 DPI, Max windows sensitivity, and SC2 around 70-73%--- with a 1600x900 resolution--- all my scroll speeds are maxed out--- and I find myself use to these speeds and able to play accurately). In other words... are you perhaps playing way to slow as one of your fundamental issues?
Can you micro well? How is your marine splitting, are you capable of getting past level 15+ on the Marine Split Challenge almost never losing a single round (can you replicate this marine splitting in standard games)? Can you target fire banelings with tanks and control marines very quickly? How about your stutter step?
In marine/tank vs marine/tank battles, do you try to position your marines in a Arc when engaging? Do you position your army when engaging in all match ups in a logical manner? Such as, "My opponent has no Banelings, I will move my marines close to the wall to minimize surface area and so I can prevent my units from being surrounded entirely by Zerglings."
Are you SURE you are doing optimized build orders? I tend to see mistakes even in Diamond player's build orders.
Can you without a doubt tell me how to counter certain builds when doing certain openings? Such as 1-Rax expand vs 3-Gate Stargate All-In. Can you blindly estimate your opponents builds on certain maps? Such as, "I'm playing on Antiga Shipyard. There is a good chance my opponent will Blinkstalker All-In or 3-Gate Stargate All-in me."
If you do the same thing over and over and never change, you will never notice any differences or slowly improve (most of the time). This applies to builds as well--- MarineKing is very good with unit control and precision, but he stands out above all the other perfect micro/positioning Terrans in Korea because he has more builds than any other Terran player I have seen.
Oh my god I'm going to kill someone. Is this how people get their postcounts?
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| las91 United States. July 02 2012 15:33. Posts 568 | Profile Blog # |
On July 02 2012 15:31 Clarity_nl wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 02 2012 15:25 SniXSniPe wrote:
Some questions for you:
Changing your hot-key set up? Do you hot-key your entire army on 1 hot-key? Do you find yourself struggling to press the correct hot-key at times in game?
Increasing Mouse/Keyboard speeds? (for instance, I play at with my mouse @ 1800 DPI, Max windows sensitivity, and SC2 around 70-73%--- with a 1600x900 resolution--- all my scroll speeds are maxed out--- and I find myself use to these speeds and able to play accurately). In other words... are you perhaps playing way to slow as one of your fundamental issues?
Can you micro well? How is your marine splitting, are you capable of getting past level 15+ on the Marine Split Challenge almost never losing a single round (can you replicate this marine splitting in standard games)? Can you target fire banelings with tanks and control marines very quickly? How about your stutter step?
In marine/tank vs marine/tank battles, do you try to position your marines in a Arc when engaging? Do you position your army when engaging in all match ups in a logical manner? Such as, "My opponent has no Banelings, I will move my marines close to the wall to minimize surface area and so I can prevent my units from being surrounded entirely by Zerglings."
Are you SURE you are doing optimized build orders? I tend to see mistakes even in Diamond player's build orders.
Can you without a doubt tell me how to counter certain builds when doing certain openings? Such as 1-Rax expand vs 3-Gate Stargate All-In. Can you blindly estimate your opponents builds on certain maps? Such as, "I'm playing on Antiga Shipyard. There is a good chance my opponent will Blinkstalker All-In or 3-Gate Stargate All-in me."
If you do the same thing over and over and never change, you will never notice any differences or slowly improve (most of the time). This applies to builds as well--- MarineKing is very good with unit control and precision, but he stands out above all the other perfect micro/positioning Terrans in Korea because he has more builds than any other Terran player I have seen.
Oh my god I'm going to kill someone. Is this how people get their postcounts?
I'm disgusted people are giving SC2 advice about an issue that is clearly deeper than simply his SC2 playing.
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| Steglich Denmark. July 02 2012 15:34. Posts 270 | Profile # |
Maybe you have a bad mind for RTS'. I have also played since beta, and have not played BW. And I have around 1200 league wins - but I am in masters with all races.
But everyone can at least reach masters, if you just hang in there and work hard! |
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| phiinix United States. July 02 2012 15:37. Posts 1124 | Profile Blog # |
To answer your questions, yea some people are just better at rts. I think it helps quite a bit if you take a step back and see the game more as an rts than as starcraft itself. Worry less about unit compositions and macro and stuff and think a lot about army positioning and map control. As any player will tell you, it's crazy how 1 engagement can wreck your game, especially when dealing with tanks. Try to be more conscious about where your army is, what it's capable of doing and what it's not.
I just played a tvz mech v roach infestor bl and a base trade won me the game. I had starports but 0 vikings. I saw him coming and i only had 2 thors, and a lot of hellion tank. Since my army was now faster than his since he had broods, I base traded, and with any freed up supply i made a bunch of vikings to deal with the broods since he didn't really have corruptors and infestor energy was low. Once i traded vikings for broods My army was way better, and I ended up winning the last engagement pretty easy. This is just one example but it's very game specific things that improve your over all game.
Also, especially at plat level, and with the amount of experience you have, worry less about what your opponent should be doing and concentrate on what he is doing. |
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| Doraemon Australia. July 02 2012 15:38. Posts 9589 | Profile Blog # |
mate. if you quit college just to play sc2 and no longer have ambitions to be pro...it's time to reassess where you are and drop the game...
it sounds like you had a very healthy lifestyle prior to this game, i recommend you revisit that....
On July 02 2012 14:23 solidONE wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 02 2012 14:20 ROOTFayth wrote:
wtf guys stop giving advice on how he should improve his game, he isn't enjoying himself at all and sacrificed a lot of thing for nothing
and it's pretty obvious he has no talent whatsoever, what the fuck is it going to matter if he makes it to diamond seriously, he needs to get his life back, do something productive with his life
anyway best of luck
Because developing the skillset used for SC2 is actually carried over into other things. It's like exercise for the brain. Also I think anyone with that train of thought is a lethargic fucking devil to tell someone otherwise.
like what? i interview plenty of people and i seriously doubt any of them, if they played sc2 at all, had any influence on their skillsets. perhaps dexterity might help you in a more labourous working environemnt, but in a commercial sense, it ain't going to do much for you.Last edit: 2012-07-02 15:42:34 |
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 InMotion Canada. July 02 2012 15:38. Posts 110 | Profile # |
On July 02 2012 15:34 Steglich wrote:
Maybe you have a bad mind for RTS'. I have also played since beta, and have not played BW. And I have around 1200 league wins - but I am in masters with all races.
But everyone can at least reach masters, if you just hang in there and work hard!
Are you serious?
He's given away 2 years of his life to reach a MEANINGLESS skill level and rank.. and you're brilliant advice is "hang in there and work hard!" LOL.
When you work hard it's generally for something that will give you benefit in your life, and sorry for almost everybody but the top 20 players in the world it's hardly worth the time they invest. Hell, even most 'pro' players are wasting their lives as SC2 doesn't offer a living like a pro sport does (as it's not team based).
Stop playing this game. Uninstall it. Go to the gym and bulk up. Live life. Play sports and have fun.
Most people here are simply giving the shittiest advice. |
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| Klipsys United States. July 02 2012 15:41. Posts 1209 | Profile Blog # |
On July 02 2012 15:30 PiGStarcraft wrote:
Quit playing now.
You have an addiction.
You've given up education, friends, social life and personal health for a game which is:
You're hiding from real-life in a game
This. Next step is harming yourself and/or others. You don't need to get better at SC2 you need to figure out life. |
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| Klipsys United States. July 02 2012 15:43. Posts 1209 | Profile Blog # |
On July 02 2012 15:38 InMotion wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 02 2012 15:34 Steglich wrote:
Maybe you have a bad mind for RTS'. I have also played since beta, and have not played BW. And I have around 1200 league wins - but I am in masters with all races.
But everyone can at least reach masters, if you just hang in there and work hard!
Are you serious? He's given away 2 years of his life to reach a MEANINGLESS skill level and rank.. and you're brilliant advice is "hang in there and work hard!" LOL. When you work hard it's generally for something that will give you benefit in your life, and sorry for almost everybody but the top 20 players in the world it's hardly worth the time they invest. Hell, even most 'pro' players are wasting their lives as SC2 doesn't offer a living like a pro sport does (as it's not team based). Stop playing this game. Uninstall it. Go to the gym and bulk up. Live life. Play sports and have fun. Most people here are simply giving the shittiest advice.
Seriously. This fucking Pokemon try your best and you'll succeed shit is fucking insane. This person is border line suicidal over a VIDEO GAME and people are telling him to buck up. Unreal |
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| TheGlassface United States. July 02 2012 15:45. Posts 612 | Profile # |
This thread is so funny.
Seriously TC, seek help. You have an addiction to something you admit lacking even moderate skill in. You're not having fun anymore when you're making posts like this.
If you were just playing poorly for 2 years,I'd say it's time to move on to a new race or whatever. You have a lot more than bad gaming going on.
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| Steglich Denmark. July 02 2012 15:47. Posts 270 | Profile # |
On July 02 2012 15:38 InMotion wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 02 2012 15:34 Steglich wrote:
Maybe you have a bad mind for RTS'. I have also played since beta, and have not played BW. And I have around 1200 league wins - but I am in masters with all races.
But everyone can at least reach masters, if you just hang in there and work hard!
Are you serious? He's given away 2 years of his life to reach a MEANINGLESS skill level and rank.. and you're brilliant advice is "hang in there and work hard!" LOL. When you work hard it's generally for something that will give you benefit in your life, and sorry for almost everybody but the top 20 players in the world it's hardly worth the time they invest. Hell, even most 'pro' players are wasting their lives as SC2 doesn't offer a living like a pro sport does (as it's not team based). Stop playing this game. Uninstall it. Go to the gym and bulk up. Live life. Play sports and have fun. Most people here are simply giving the shittiest advice.
It would probably be good for him to stop.
But if he really wants to be good at this game he shouldnt stop. |
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| yeint Estonia. July 02 2012 15:49. Posts 2327 | Profile # |
On July 02 2012 13:38 SilverWolfe wrote:I have about 1500 league wins.
That's a very low number of games played.
I started playing at launch as well, and I'm up to 1000 league wins, and that's with skipping several seasons. I was only ever really active in season 1-3.
My problem is that I don't have the time, energy, or desire to invest into structured training. You seem to at least have the desire - why so few games? The game's been out for 23 months, and given a 50% winrate you've only played 130 matches a month. |
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| Jayme United States. July 02 2012 15:50. Posts 4925 | Profile Blog # |
On July 02 2012 15:47 Steglich wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 02 2012 15:38 InMotion wrote:
On July 02 2012 15:34 Steglich wrote:
Maybe you have a bad mind for RTS'. I have also played since beta, and have not played BW. And I have around 1200 league wins - but I am in masters with all races.
But everyone can at least reach masters, if you just hang in there and work hard!
Are you serious? He's given away 2 years of his life to reach a MEANINGLESS skill level and rank.. and you're brilliant advice is "hang in there and work hard!" LOL. When you work hard it's generally for something that will give you benefit in your life, and sorry for almost everybody but the top 20 players in the world it's hardly worth the time they invest. Hell, even most 'pro' players are wasting their lives as SC2 doesn't offer a living like a pro sport does (as it's not team based). Stop playing this game. Uninstall it. Go to the gym and bulk up. Live life. Play sports and have fun. Most people here are simply giving the shittiest advice.
It would probably be good for him to stop. But if he really wants to be good at this game he shouldnt stop.
lol you don't get it.
If this guy was in masters it wouldn't be good enough. He says it would be right now because he's plat but if he ever made it there he would want more. Its not about being better at sc2 for him |
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| papaz Sweden. July 02 2012 15:50. Posts 3746 | Profile # |
Reading your post OP I'll give you some advice that has already been given to you in this thread:
1. Quit playing SC2 immidiately. You have a problem and making excuses that the problem is you being platinum and everything in your life would be fine if only you were a masters player.
2. Get some professional help figuring out why you gave up life (friends, education) for a game.
SC2 isn't the problem. If SC2 wouldn't come along something else would have and you would have hidden your problems behind some other addiction.
In some way you are reaching out for help by creating a thread and writing that you have dropped out of college and given up your social friends.
If you truly didn't have a problem but merely asking for advice to get better I believe you wouldn't have written that piece of information since that is not relevant to your progress as a player.
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| SDream Brazil. July 02 2012 15:52. Posts 896 | Profile Blog # |
I really wish I could hug you right now, it was easy to feel your frustration.
You at least learned something new for you.
This is a competitive world, there will be people doing their best everywhere, at every field. So it won't be enough to just try hard, to be the best you do need some talent, be it genes, be it being born in a good environment (practicing since kid to do something). I don't know.
Bring that information with you in your decisions from now on in order to focus the right amount of effort in the right things for you.
For example: I am 5kg heavier than I should, I will work slightly harder on Gym. I am yet to get my graduation, so I will dedicate these 1-4 years to it. I do like SC2, so I will watch these tournments, at least the finals or that player that I like.
Keep in mind that even though you have been gold-plat for 2 years, I am pretty sure that the leagues are harder and harder because everyone is playing and learning stuff, so you are not stuck in the same skill level. However, you probably don't have what it takes to learn faster than everyone else, and that is a information you should use wisely. You can still play, watch games, but I don't think you should aim to anything. Play when you have time, schedule the good tournments (GSL, MLG, at least the cool players, MMA? MVP?  ), but don't make an useless "objetive" for your life like getting to diamond, master. If you got into master you'd probably aim for GM next, so it is an ilusion to think that you'd be content with diamond!
You didn't lost 2 years for nothing ok, you did learn something you will carry for the rest of your life! Use this new wisdow and you might actually otimize your life now in a way that you will get these 2 years back 
It's not too late, keep walking =3 |
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 Liquid`Jinro Sweden. July 02 2012 15:54. Posts 32587 | Profile Blog # |
You really need to quit, it's a lot shorter road back to a healthy life than you probably think right now.... But the longer you wait the harder it will be. Yeah maybe you wasted the last two years, not a big deal as long as you don't let it waste any more.
Also, I can emphasize with a ton of the feelings you have (believe it or not). I actually don't think it's nearly as much about natural talent as you think, it's just about having the right mindset for learning, and actually still wanting to play and not playing because you are chasing ladder points.
None of that matters tho, the game is clearly not a healthy component of your life right now and you should find something else to do with your time.Last edit: 2012-07-02 15:57:39 |
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| yeint Estonia. July 02 2012 15:54. Posts 2327 | Profile # |
On July 02 2012 13:58 Clarity_nl wrote:
Why are people in this thread giving STARCRAFT advice? Clearly not what the OP needs right now...
Armchair psychiatrists making diagnoses based on one post written after a losing streak is also not what the OP needs right now. |
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| DoctorPhil Netherlands. July 02 2012 15:55. Posts 167 | Profile # |
| dude, drop this fucking game and never look back. Get your real life back on track. I'd talk with it to my parents/other loved ones and maybe a psychiatrist. Last edit: 2012-07-02 15:56:37 |
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| papaz Sweden. July 02 2012 15:59. Posts 3746 | Profile # |
On July 02 2012 15:54 yeint wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 02 2012 13:58 Clarity_nl wrote:
Why are people in this thread giving STARCRAFT advice? Clearly not what the OP needs right now...
Armchair psychiatrists making diagnoses based on one post written after a losing streak is also not what the OP needs right now.
Are you serious?
A guy created a thread beginning with "dropped out of college because I am watching/playing Starcraft and I have given up social life and friends..." and THAT is not screaming "help me"?
You mean to tell me this guy is in desperate need of strategy advice so that he can get a masters icon and everything would be fine then?
You don't need to be a professional psychiatrists to see that this guy needs help in life. It's actually enough to be a human.Last edit: 2012-07-02 16:01:10 |
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| vaderseven United States. July 02 2012 15:59. Posts 2204 | Profile # |
On July 02 2012 15:16 vaderseven wrote:
You have the award for 500 wins as Protoss and the one for 500 wins as Terran. You have ~1500 league wins.
You are plat after a major race switch OR after playing 2 races constantly. Thats completely and 100% normal for someone that sc2 was a first rts for.
People are ignoring this. Keep in mind he never customs so this means he has literally split his time as far as main race.
All that aside, if this isnt a qq because of another losing streak that makes you look at your life in a sour light (maybe you dropped college cuz you are not good at time management and slept through classes after staying up to late, if that staying up to late was cuz of sc2 you might find quitting the game doesnt fix that as you will fill that gap with something else etc).
I just doubt that the game is the problem here. I see a problem, but that problem isnt playing 3000-3500 games of sc2 since the game came out in July 2010 (averaging around 5 games a day since the game came out... THIS ISNT THAT MUCH GUYS).
Everyone read this-
Math: 706 days since sc2 was released. ~1500 league wins with the 50% win rate in mind leads us to ~3000 games. Lets be generious and add a few hundred. 3500 games.
3500 games over 706 days = 4.96 games per day.
4.96 games of sc2, with a VERY generous average game length of 20 real life minutes per game is 99 minutes per day. Thats a little over an hour and half a day.
Lets say he watches 2x as much sc2 as he plays. Thats 3 hours per day watching and 1.5 hours a day playing.
Assuming he is watching 2x as much as he plays, he is doing sc2 items that require his butt in a chair for 4.5 hours a day.
You can have a social life, get straight As, have a girlfriend, and play that much. Many of you do that. The issue here isnt too much sc2, its time management (for life concerns) and bad learning techs (for sc2 skill) (such as race switching to the point that he has spent half his time as a different race).
I repeat, the numbers just DO NOT SUPPORT that this guy is an sc2 addict that threw his life away. Its more like sc2 is the excuse that is covering up time management problems.
OP- sorry, I am trying to analyze, not condemn or insult.Last edit: 2012-07-02 16:09:18 |
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| BlindKill Australia. July 02 2012 16:00. Posts 1180 | Profile # |
I think what you're missing is state of mind. You may have started playing/watching to get better at SC2 but as you lose everything else in your life you play sc2 for the sake of playing. You want to play sc2 because even when you are getting destroyed in ladder games it is still a better feeling than being in real life. If you are prone to blank out and go into "autopilot" while playing sc2, and snapping back minutes later at your base getting dropped then yeah your mental state is affecting your gameplay.
I know this sounds like therapist talk, but getting your life back on balance could improve your mental readiness and ability to improve. So yeah, get your shit together. When you are mentally ready, come back and derp around the Terran help me thread, I bet someone wouldnt mind watching your replays and helping you improve.
Also, you watch too much and play too little. Knowledge is useless unless you have the mechanics to pull it off. |
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