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| Cheshyr United States. July 08 2012 17:22. Posts 75 | Profile # |
I competed in MLG Raleigh and IPL3 last year, and I'm hoping to do something similar this year, but I took a long break in here and need to catch up and surpass my skill level from last year. I haven't been making progress, so I'm looking for help in designing a training program. My target is to be prepped for the Fall / Winter tourney season. If this thread will help others develop their own training program, so much the better.
I'm curious about recommendations for a training regimen for measured improvement. I'm not interested in the generic answers: play more ladder, get a life, macro is king, etc. If you were going to set up a daily training schedule, including metrics, what would you include? For purposes of this discussion, assume I only have about 4-6 hours a day to dedicate to this, except maybe some extra time on weekends.
Currently, I manage about 10-20 games a day across NA/EU/TW regions. My current revised regimen plan is:
- 5 games per region per day.
- Participate in at least one Playhem or Z33k tournament per day.
- Review and take notes on all replays.
- Track metrics for APM, EAPM, building control, supply block (larva injects and overlord timings, since I'm zerg).
- Identify scouting timings, patterns, and flaws (where'd he hide the proxy stargate this time, and why didn't I see it?)
- What builds do I frequently lose to, and how do I fix this?
- What other metrics can I use to make concrete, measured improvements?
Feedback is welcome and desired.Last edit: 2012-07-08 17:25:37 |
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| Postman United States. July 08 2012 17:29. Posts 255 | Profile # |
| I'd recommend trying to get some practice partners. It makes it easier to practice specific builds, but also can help a lot by discussing the game with someone after it happens and to get tips from an outside perspective. I feel like although ladder might be fine for training mechanics, there's something to be said about being able to focus on overall strategy with someone you play regularly. |
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 Glurkenspurk United States. July 08 2012 17:33. Posts 1843 | Profile # |
| Swapping servers is annoying. Just stick to NA. Unless you get 0 lag on KR. |
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| NotoriousBig Germany. July 08 2012 17:39. Posts 299 | Profile Blog # |
Maybe you should learn new builds, it helps a lot to play modern builds and improves your level, because most players know how to deal and react to the old builds, but sometimes they struggle if they see something new or at least newer.
And of course modern builds are better in the current metagame.
may i ask how is your skill level today and how it was when you competed at Mlg?Last edit: 2012-07-08 17:39:44 |
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| KawaiiRice United States. July 08 2012 17:47. Posts 2807 | Profile Blog # |
On July 08 2012 17:22 Cheshyr wrote:
My current revised regimen plan is:
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[*]5 games per region per day.
sorry but I've never seen something so pointless xD |
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| mizU United States. July 08 2012 17:50. Posts 9978 | Profile Blog # |
| What's the point of being so spread out between regions? |
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| masterbreti Korea (South). July 08 2012 17:51. Posts 2547 | Profile Blog # |
I think the first thing imo that comes to mind is that you only play 10-20 games a day. That is less than half of what most people consider practice. 10-20 is playing casually for fun, its not even that, its playing a few games in your spare time of playing other games casually.
If you want to make a training regimen this is what it should look like
- 40-60 games a day (at least 40 should be your goal, anything less is playing casually)
- Review not only your own replays, but replays of the best players in the world. Watch how they do things.
- Keep a notepad handy so you can write down their builds and understand there play better.
A lot of what you are doing is pointless. Focusing on apm and eapm is stupid because apm doesn't equal skill. I've seen some top level players have 100ish apm, then seen some really bad players have 300 apm. it isn't about the apm but how you use it that matters.
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| StrinterN Denmark. July 08 2012 17:53. Posts 493 | Profile # |
On July 08 2012 17:47 KawaiiRice wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 08 2012 17:22 Cheshyr wrote:
My current revised regimen plan is:
[list]
[*]5 games per region per day.
sorry but I've never seen something so pointless xD
I do not think its pointless, even though i will aggre that what server you play on doesnt really matter. The important thing here is that if your make it your goal to play 15 games a day, you should focus on doing so, consistently.
But yeah as mentioned by many others before me, the amount of games is really key. Practice partners, etc. is a bonus, put just playing x amount of games on ladder should be sufficient to raise your skill level overall. |
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| Polarexia United States. July 08 2012 17:59. Posts 350 | Profile # |
On July 08 2012 17:47 KawaiiRice wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 08 2012 17:22 Cheshyr wrote:
My current revised regimen plan is:
[list]
[*]5 games per region per day.
sorry but I've never seen something so pointless xD
Yeah I don't get the point of this either |
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| Spray United States. July 08 2012 18:08. Posts 402 | Profile Blog # |
| Yeah this makes no sense. |
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| trGKakarot United States. July 08 2012 18:21. Posts 129 | Profile # |
On July 08 2012 17:22 Cheshyr wrote:
Review and take notes on all replays.
What builds do I frequently lose to, and how do I fix this?
Feedback is welcome and desired.
Seem like the only things that will actually make you a better player.
Also, you competed in MLG/IPL does that mean you are a Gold League player that got stomped, or a "legitimate" contender, at least to the point of not knowing you would be out after the first round?
I only ask because from the sounds of things the regions are only different enough at the tip-top of the servers, so if you are mid/low masters it seems like a waste of time.
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| FXOkaRmy Canada. July 08 2012 18:29. Posts 575 | Profile Blog # |
I recently got home from living in the Ministry of WiN pro house in Poland. While living there our schedule looked like this
Woke up at 9 am, ate breakfast and started practising at 9:30
9:30 - 2:30 we did custom games. No ladder. We practised on what we felt we needed to work on with players equal or better than skill ourselves. We review replays but we didn't look to deep into them. Look for the mistakes that cost you the game, how you can change yourself for the better. Don't be to worried about missing a chrono, or making your gas on 64 supply instead of 65 etc.
2:30 we had lunch and an optional 1 hour break. We usually used this time to work out, nap, watch TV, etc.
3:30 to 7:00 customs/ladder/general practice. We mostly just kept working in custom games, continuing to improve since ladder isn't that great of overall practice.
7:00 - 7:30 dinner.
7:30 - 10:00 more practice. Same as before, mostly ladder and streaming with commentary. After 10 it was free time, most of us still played until roughly 12 and went to sleep.
Don't focus on ladder! It's not that great of practice! If you want to improve find practice partners that are better than you. Play with them! Go over your replays with them. Ask LOTS of questions! If you're having troubles vs mutas get them to play 10 games in a row vs mutas and tell you what you did wrong. Continue to try and improve on it. Don't just get frustrated and try to do a silly all in. Stay focused, stay dedicated, and find players that have the same mindset and work ethic.
Good luck |
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 GDbushido United States. July 08 2012 18:37. Posts 926 | Profile # |
On July 08 2012 17:47 KawaiiRice wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 08 2012 17:22 Cheshyr wrote:
My current revised regimen plan is:
[list]
[*]5 games per region per day.
sorry but I've never seen something so pointless xD
regarding the OP...it sounds like you're ready to put in the hours which gives you a leg up on most of the competition already. however, I'm not a fan of mass gaming as your primary training.
playing real games is obviously important, but there are so many things that go into being a good starcraft player. because of this, I believe players are better off dedicating a significant amount of time to specific exercises that will help the areas of their game that need the most improvement. this is how most professional athletes train - work on individual skills over and over again, and it should carry over when its for real.
so basically, figure out what situations or skills you struggle with the most, and work on them in custom games. THEN go ladder or playhem or whatever.Last edit: 2012-07-08 18:39:23 |
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| sTrike17 United States. July 08 2012 18:45. Posts 11 | Profile # |
| I think the server swapping constantly would be a real pain. Why not just play 20 games a day on a single server and switch every day or week? |
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| sixfour England. July 08 2012 18:47. Posts 10355 | Profile Blog # |
On July 08 2012 17:59 Polarexia wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 08 2012 17:47 KawaiiRice wrote:
On July 08 2012 17:22 Cheshyr wrote:
My current revised regimen plan is:
[list]
[*]5 games per region per day.
sorry but I've never seen something so pointless xD
Yeah I don't get the point of this either
i guess the point is if the OP perceives that there's different playstyles (i hate that term metagame) on different servers he wants to be able to experience a lot of different styles and approaches so that he's prepared for anything. it's certainly going to be less efficient than finding practice partners which'll allow him to focus on his known weaknesses, but the idea isn't without merit |
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| Salivanth Australia. July 08 2012 18:51. Posts 823 | Profile Blog # |
| I agree with sTrike, however: The idea seems good, but swapping servers daily is probably easier, and will still get you the different approaches and styles. |
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| Clarity_nl Netherlands. July 08 2012 19:19. Posts 3283 | Profile # |
I think watching EVERY replay is a bit overkill. Sometimes I want to check if my feelings during the game are justified or not, and sometimes I just want to identify mistakes etc, but mainly I only watch replays when I don't know why I lost or if I don't have a 1-liner that'll fix it (e.g. Next time I 13 scout ZvT on this map I'll change my drone scout pattern to X or I get supply blocked on the 33/38 overlord a lot, I need to focus on that).
Try to never say something vague like "my control wasn't good here" or "I need to macro better"
Have something you can specifically work on. |
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| Gladiator6 Sweden. July 08 2012 20:13. Posts 6831 | Profile # |
OP, I think you should restructure your practice regimen around this post!
On July 08 2012 17:51 masterbreti wrote:
I think the first thing imo that comes to mind is that you only play 10-20 games a day. That is less than half of what most people consider practice. 10-20 is playing casually for fun, its not even that, its playing a few games in your spare time of playing other games casually.
If you want to make a training regimen this is what it should look like
- 40-60 games a day (at least 40 should be your goal, anything less is playing casually)
- Review not only your own replays, but replays of the best players in the world. Watch how they do things.
- Keep a notepad handy so you can write down their builds and understand there play better.
A lot of what you are doing is pointless. Focusing on apm and eapm is stupid because apm doesn't equal skill. I've seen some top level players have 100ish apm, then seen some really bad players have 300 apm. it isn't about the apm but how you use it that matters.
Last edit: 2012-07-08 20:14:10 |
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| FinBenton Finland. July 08 2012 20:34. Posts 824 | Profile # |
| Just mass ladder on 1 server, 30 games per day at least, watch replays only if you dont know why you lost. |
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| sixfour England. July 08 2012 20:39. Posts 10355 | Profile Blog # |
On July 08 2012 20:34 FinBenton wrote:
Just mass ladder on 1 server, 30 games per day at least, watch replays only if you dont know why you lost.
the danger with this is lack of feedback. it's all very well massing a lot of games, and for most players that'll show improvement if only through better mechanics, but if you just do what you say, you'll miss out on so much stuff which at the OP's level will actually hinder development |
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