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 VampireLady Netherlands. August 07 2012 16:16. Posts 283 | Profile Blog # |
.. is the impression i get from girls who love to call others out for their insatiable hunger for attention and being a pretender as to whether or not she's a gamer. Ironically, this happens quite often and each time i see myself being in a situation where people claim that or say that about another i cannot but be surprised by the sheer hypocrisy.
Truth be told, i have seen this many times over and over.. People love to be judgemental whilst being blind to their own actions and recognition they seek. Taking someone down one way or the other gives one a pleasure of entitlement if you will or a feeling of superiority i should say. More than often this is paired with dislike and sometimes even hatred.
Now why am i breaking the silence now ? Well, yesterday night i came across an article by a girl stating that boobs do not equal noobs, which is debatable to some i'm sure, but in general it's fair to say that that is an accurate statement. However then she goes on explaining that probably the general consensus arises from the fact that a lot of girls are in the gaming scene for the attention and aren't up to par with the male majority of gamers. And then proceeding by backing up her claim with a picture of Lindsey Sporrer at NASL and the mistake she made during an interview. Her claim was that people like Lindsey Sporrer make the female gamer look bad because, well, the average female game isn't like that and so forth.
Agitated and angered as i was i immediately decided to respond and before i knew it, i was being quite fierce to put it lighty, in my response to her article. I was simply baffled by the nerves she had to say " Hey ! A lot of girls are attentionseekers but sometimes we are legit gamers ". By making such a statement she is distancing herself from that idea of female gamer yet confirming it and then being judgemental herself. Which to me is stupid, bigoted, judgemental, and inaccurate. I hear this very often from girls with a beligerent tone and just find it sad to see that even a lot of girls have such thoughts and claims that "most" or " a lot " of female gamers are there just to seek attention but aren't really gamers.
Now guys, that's where these people are wrong..
In all honesty, i've been around for a very long time and love playing with other ladies but rarely .. really very seldomly have i ever came across one who is an upright attentionseeker who fits the description given by people. It is is unfair and unjust.
First of all, Female and male gamers are different. Simply put, girls in general are less competitive than men are, and we act different from men too. There are numerous books about these and lectures, but i guess one of the most famous books about this is, men are from mars and women are from venus. Female gamers are casual gamers too so you won't see us playing hardcore nonstop that often. However, none of this makes us a lesser gamer. We still love gaming and share this passion with many around. And the attention part, well it is quite simple. Most people want to get recognition in what they love to do or get attention in that field by whatever means. The difference is, in my opion, that when a woman does it something to get that attention, she's an attentionseeker or the w word.
And frankly i don't see what's wrong with loving attention men do it too.
People try to be funny, or extremely rude or wear hats or w/e to get that recognition or attention. And you know, to be frank a lot of you out there would also showcase that which would help you get those things.
People love being judgemental and to point fingers and i think its sad to see that even girls to that to one another when we can just take one as he or she is and accept it. We don't need to like everyone but for heaven's sake stop being so hateful. When guys seek attention by whatever means they're never called attentionseekers but we always are. So why do women partake in this labeling for attentionw... ? Is it to distance themselves to be in a position where they can throw rocks at the alleged witch at the burning stake ? Or are we so deformed by the geenral misconcept of an attentionwh.. to the point that we partake in it as well ?
I wish we could support one another instead of pointing fingers. I wish we could banish this word from the world which has no place really other than labeling a person and trying to degrade that person. live and let live, you don't need to do stuff if you don't like it but stop judging others for having fun or getting attention by doing whatever wherever. In the end we all share our passion for the same game but we differentiate ourselves in our behavior and actions. Even if those actions may not be to everyone's liking.
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| Kyrillion Russian Federation. August 07 2012 16:36. Posts 585 | Profile # |
| It has always seemed to me that females craved for the opposite sex's attention more than males do in "real life". But of course that does not necessarily have any bearing on your behaviour inside games. Last edit: 2012-08-08 02:13:04 |
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| VampireLady Netherlands. August 07 2012 16:38. Posts 283 | Profile Blog # |
I think it's very easy to see it that way when attention is given to one of the female gender. If i wear something revealing or show my cam on stream people will say im the one craving when in fact theres a huge portion of guys who give that attention, so what? if you dont want to, then dont give it. Also if a guy could get attention as easily they would too. And you see that a lot of guys try whatever means necessary to get it.
Besides, there is nothing wrong with wanting or getting attention. Getting attention is a form of getting recognition that you are a part of something or belonging somewhere. Last edit: 2012-08-07 16:42:08 |
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| Conai Hong Kong. August 07 2012 17:24. Posts 39 | Profile # |
thank you for writing that
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| Ghin United States. August 07 2012 17:25. Posts 2201 | Profile Blog # |
| It sucks, but people say and do a lot of dumb things. I happen to enjoy female company and what other people call "attention whoring." There are also people who enjoy cannibalism. |
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| MasterOfPuppets Romania. August 07 2012 17:34. Posts 3903 | Profile Blog # |
You make some good points and I agree with you for the most part, however I do believe you have omitted a certain kind of people. Those pitiful persons who are so shallow and insecure that they need to find some kind of trend and latch on to the bandwagon, publically claiming they enjoy whatever that is just so they can find some sort of acceptance or approval from others. In this case an example would be the girls who play some random hyper-popular facebook game and feel the need to yell "OMG I'M SUCH A NERD I'M SUCH A GAMER" [gamers please shower me with attention and confirm to me that i am not as worthless as my insecurities make me feel]. In the metal scene we call people of that sort "posers" and in my opinion they don't deserve hate... just pity.
Just thought it would be worth mentioning. But, like I said, for the most part I agree with what you said. If some girl, as a gamer, feels somehow wronged by these so called attention whores... Well, it doesn't matter. You shouldn't feel the need to say something like "I'm legit, she's not" because you'd be basically doing the same thing. Just do whatever you like, if that happens to be gaming then game. If you are truly passionate, some people will appreciate it and recognize you as such, and those that don't should not matter to you anyway.
Just my 2 cents. ^^ |
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| Shock710 Australia. August 07 2012 17:54. Posts 3034 | Profile Blog # |
omg another trick girl blog...  first the toilet seat one now this one, i wanna hear about the girl problems ur having lol
im jking btw, i just see girl in the title and assume a girl story lolLast edit: 2012-08-07 17:55:33 |
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| Pandemona England. August 07 2012 17:56. Posts 10382 | Profile Blog # |
Difference is for me that why do most of these "attention wh.." think it's good idea to stream their games with a webcam etcetcetc. Thats the problem i have, i have met many a girl who plays games on my time playing , but i can honestly say to my knowledge 0 of them have ever streamed it, so to me every girl who is streaming is a attention wh...
And your correlation between men and women attention wh... i don't get? I can't think of any male streamer that matches the same meaning as a female attention wh... your addressing here? Maybe you could point me in the direction of one though?
However i know people are free to exploit anythng they like, and if they get hired by a gaming company to model something so be it, good for them. They pull 1000 viewers by having a webcam on their stream "gaming" so be it, good for them, i have no problem, i just prefer not to watch. The only problem i have is when it is thrown in your face and your force fed it, ie when someone is asking stupid questions at a LAN event on a stream to 20,000 plus nerds.
Also i know most are quite genuine like yourself, you have been commentating the EU daily cups since it started? You have become a decent caster as well, this i have no problem with. Soe is probably the best female caster/host around in the scene at the moment and that is what people should be aspiring to be if your female and want to get into the scene.
Just my view! XDLast edit: 2012-08-07 18:16:44 |
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| Itsmedudeman United States. August 07 2012 18:06. Posts 8894 | Profile Blog # |
| The whole term "gamer" is stupid. If someone ever referred to themselves as a "gamer" I'd probably never talk to them again - guy or girl. |
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| OptimusYale Korea (South). August 07 2012 18:20. Posts 981 | Profile Blog # |
I've always considered myself a 'gamer' as I play ALL the time, I play as many games as I possibly can...and only SC2 has stopped my appetite for buying games.
What annoys me about girl gamers is that most of them who say it aren't. I've met 1 girl gamer who I would say is a true gamer....she has an extensive collection of games, and even though she plays shitty ones, she still plays and enjoys playing...and that is all is needed to be a 'gamer'.
I don't care if you suck, I actually don't care that you're a woman....as long as you have a passion for games then I'm cool with you saying it. Gamer doesn't mean your good, it means you enjoy playing. I've met girls who claim to be gamers, and then when you proble they have a wii with 5 games including wii sports and fit.
That does not make you a gamer. IdrA isn't a gamer because he said that he doesnt play many games. Gaming is a passion, not just being good at said game |
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| Perguvious United States. August 07 2012 18:22. Posts 1747 | Profile Blog # |
On August 07 2012 18:06 Itsmedudeman wrote:
The whole term "gamer" is stupid. If someone ever referred to themselves as a "gamer" I'd probably never talk to them again - guy or girl.
I agree, the way I think about it is if you need to label yourself as a gamer to get people's attention, then you aren't playing games for the sake of playing games. Otherwise you'd have no problem just naturally talking to others about whatever game(s) you're playing. I'd imagine if I met someone who introduced themself as a gamer I wouldn't take them very seriously at all. |
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| PH United States. August 07 2012 18:24. Posts 6097 | Profile Blog # |
| Nice post! I largely agree. |
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| zalz Netherlands. August 07 2012 18:34. Posts 3291 | Profile Blog # |
On August 07 2012 18:06 Itsmedudeman wrote:
The whole term "gamer" is stupid. If someone ever referred to themselves as a "gamer" I'd probably never talk to them again - guy or girl.
I agree that it is ridiculous that people label themselves as such, but it is still a term that has meaning.
"Gamers," are defineable subculture to which a lot, mainly teens, subscribe. It goes beyond just playing video games and passes into using video games and its surrounding culture as a defining personality trait.
In my opinion it isn't any different from metalheads or goths in that regard. It is endulging in something to such a degree that you use it to express or define your personality.
It is less prevalant when people grow up, mostly because most subcultures don't survive the teenage stage. |
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| shadowboxer United States. August 07 2012 18:43. Posts 218 | Profile # |
On August 07 2012 18:06 Itsmedudeman wrote:
The whole term "gamer" is stupid. If someone ever referred to themselves as a "gamer" I'd probably never talk to them again - guy or girl.
This is hilarious. I'm sure the person you never talked to again would be simply crushed.
I don't think getting attention is the issue people have, rather, it's getting attention despite being untalented. Let's look at idra as a professional gamer, he VERY rarely does commentary and that is literally the only thing he offers as a streamer yet he still gets a TON of viewers because he works hard and is talented. Sure, he's ragey, but he's actually toned it down from back when streaming barely existed at all and I highly doubt he does any of it for attention. If he did, he'd be doing it every single game against every opponent and that just isn't the case. He gets viewers because he's a talented player and people appreciate that.
The issue arises when a female or male gamer gets viewers despite being untalented. In other words, he or she gets viewers by doing something gaming related that has nothing to do with the actual gaming. This happens more in the LoL community than it does in the SC community, but ultimately you have a female gamer wearing very revealing clothing and talking somewhat provocatively while playing a game or a guy that does silly stuff like wearing stupid hats or saying controversial things to get attention while having no actual talent at the game they're playing. You are watching it because you enjoy their actions and you like the idea of them being a "gamer" as well.
Now, is there an actual issue with streamers getting viewers for this? Absolutely not and I don't think this is what bothers people. The issue is the game becomes a complete aside from the stream. The stream isn't about a gamer or even games, it's about the boobs/drama/controversy. What bothers some people about this is the fact that opportunities arise out of these types of streams. The person ends up making a living off of this either by ads(very rarely as viewer counts are generally low) or by opportunities gained in the gaming community because of their notoriety while still remaining ultimately talentless.
It's similar to how reality T.V. captivates so many people despite being an absolute cess pool. The "actors" are generally talentless and play a poorly-acted persona that the writers push upon them. These people get rich as a result and we end up with more talentless people in our community that we don't want to hear about but are forced to because of their, again, notoriety.
Of course, gaming is on a much smaller scale and I'm not saying every "attention-whore(male or female)" gets money or fame. However, I believe people get angry at these types of personalities because of how little they contribute and lash out as a result. Is it warrented, justified or even fair? Probably not, but people are easily angered about much less.
I agree that people inside and outside of our community should be more accepting of people in general. However, people are so damned narcissicistic and entitled these days it's very difficult to be understanding.
Tl;dr: People don't necessarily hate the "attention-whore", they hate the fame and notoriety that comes to him/her despite being relatively talentless and giving little to nothing back to the community he or she thrived off of. |
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| MasterOfPuppets Romania. August 07 2012 19:09. Posts 3903 | Profile Blog # |
On August 07 2012 18:20 OptimusYale wrote:
I've always considered myself a 'gamer' as I play ALL the time, I play as many games as I possibly can...and only SC2 has stopped my appetite for buying games.
What annoys me about girl gamers is that most of them who say it aren't. I've met 1 girl gamer who I would say is a true gamer....she has an extensive collection of games, and even though she plays shitty ones, she still plays and enjoys playing...and that is all is needed to be a 'gamer'.
I don't care if you suck, I actually don't care that you're a woman....as long as you have a passion for games then I'm cool with you saying it. Gamer doesn't mean your good, it means you enjoy playing. I've met girls who claim to be gamers, and then when you proble they have a wii with 5 games including wii sports and fit.
That does not make you a gamer. IdrA isn't a gamer because he said that he doesnt play many games. Gaming is a passion, not just being good at said game
I agree wholeheartedly with the parts underlined, but I'm not so sure about your last sentence. Are you trying to say that professional gamers (hint) are not gamers just because they only play one game? Since when is it required to play a ton of games to be a gamer? Am I not a gamer if I play only 2 or 3 games but I spend 30-40 hours a week on them?
Not trying to be overly aggressive, it's just that I find what you said confusing. ^^ |
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| Itsmedudeman United States. August 07 2012 19:48. Posts 8894 | Profile Blog # |
On August 07 2012 18:43 shadowboxer wrote:
Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 18:06 Itsmedudeman wrote:
The whole term "gamer" is stupid. If someone ever referred to themselves as a "gamer" I'd probably never talk to them again - guy or girl.
This is hilarious. I'm sure the person you never talked to again would be simply crushed. I don't think getting attention is the issue people have, rather, it's getting attention despite being untalented. Let's look at idra as a professional gamer, he VERY rarely does commentary and that is literally the only thing he offers as a streamer yet he still gets a TON of viewers because he works hard and is talented. Sure, he's ragey, but he's actually toned it down from back when streaming barely existed at all and I highly doubt he does any of it for attention. If he did, he'd be doing it every single game against every opponent and that just isn't the case. He gets viewers because he's a talented player and people appreciate that. The issue arises when a female or male gamer gets viewers despite being untalented. In other words, he or she gets viewers by doing something gaming related that has nothing to do with the actual gaming. This happens more in the LoL community than it does in the SC community, but ultimately you have a female gamer wearing very revealing clothing and talking somewhat provocatively while playing a game or a guy that does silly stuff like wearing stupid hats or saying controversial things to get attention while having no actual talent at the game they're playing. You are watching it because you enjoy their actions and you like the idea of them being a "gamer" as well. Now, is there an actual issue with streamers getting viewers for this? Absolutely not and I don't think this is what bothers people. The issue is the game becomes a complete aside from the stream. The stream isn't about a gamer or even games, it's about the boobs/drama/controversy. What bothers some people about this is the fact that opportunities arise out of these types of streams. The person ends up making a living off of this either by ads(very rarely as viewer counts are generally low) or by opportunities gained in the gaming community because of their notoriety while still remaining ultimately talentless. It's similar to how reality T.V. captivates so many people despite being an absolute cess pool. The "actors" are generally talentless and play a poorly-acted persona that the writers push upon them. These people get rich as a result and we end up with more talentless people in our community that we don't want to hear about but are forced to because of their, again, notoriety. Of course, gaming is on a much smaller scale and I'm not saying every "attention-whore(male or female)" gets money or fame. However, I believe people get angry at these types of personalities because of how little they contribute and lash out as a result. Is it warrented, justified or even fair? Probably not, but people are easily angered about much less. I agree that people inside and outside of our community should be more accepting of people in general. However, people are so damned narcissicistic and entitled these days it's very difficult to be understanding. Tl;dr: People don't necessarily hate the "attention-whore", they hate the fame and notoriety that comes to him/her despite being relatively talentless and giving little to nothing back to the community he or she thrived off of.
"Works hard and is talented" is why idra gets viewers? Lmfao you must literally live in an igloo. Your next 3 paragraphs literally described idra is the saddest part.Last edit: 2012-08-07 19:52:25 |
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| shadowboxer United States. August 07 2012 20:04. Posts 218 | Profile # |
On August 07 2012 19:48 Itsmedudeman wrote:
"Works hard and is talented" is why idra gets viewers? Lmfao you must literally live in an igloo. Your next 3 paragraphs literally described idra is the saddest part.
As I said, simply crushed. |
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| Denzil United Kingdom. August 07 2012 21:15. Posts 3532 | Profile # |
On August 07 2012 19:09 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 18:20 OptimusYale wrote:
I've always considered myself a 'gamer' as I play ALL the time, I play as many games as I possibly can...and only SC2 has stopped my appetite for buying games.
What annoys me about girl gamers is that most of them who say it aren't. I've met 1 girl gamer who I would say is a true gamer....she has an extensive collection of games, and even though she plays shitty ones, she still plays and enjoys playing...and that is all is needed to be a 'gamer'.
I don't care if you suck, I actually don't care that you're a woman....as long as you have a passion for games then I'm cool with you saying it. Gamer doesn't mean your good, it means you enjoy playing. I've met girls who claim to be gamers, and then when you proble they have a wii with 5 games including wii sports and fit.
That does not make you a gamer. IdrA isn't a gamer because he said that he doesnt play many games. Gaming is a passion, not just being good at said game
I agree wholeheartedly with the parts underlined, but I'm not so sure about your last sentence. Are you trying to say that professional gamers (hint) are not gamers just because they only play one game? Since when is it required to play a ton of games to be a gamer? Am I not a gamer if I play only 2 or 3 games but I spend 30-40 hours a week on them? Not trying to be overly aggressive, it's just that I find what you said confusing. ^^
Idra literally dislikes video games (maybe not dislikes but doesn't find the same enjoyment from it as I or you would) don't believe he played Diablo 3 or Skyrim or any of that sort of "big" enjoyment release that most progamers took a break to play
Go ask his fanclub if you want confirmation
@dudeguy IdrA is literally one of if not the hardest working starcraft progamers out there, I as a fan appreciate how fucking hard he has worked to get to where he is going to Korea at 16 and staying in the house conditions and so onLast edit: 2012-08-07 21:20:40 |
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| EscPlan9 United States. August 08 2012 00:13. Posts 2676 | Profile Blog # |
"Works hard and is talented" is why idra gets viewers? Lmfao you must literally live in an igloo. Your next 3 paragraphs literally described idra is the saddest part.
I agree that Idra is a hard worker and talented SC2 player. However, the reason he gets more viewers than other hard working and talented SC2 streamers is because of his personality. That's what we should be looking at here - all other things being the same, what is it that stands out about this person that draws in more viewers?
And more relevant to OP... this also is part of the reason some people have issues with female gamers or steamers. There are plenty of other people playing the same game at or around the same level, so what is it that makes them stand out? Sometimes it simply is "a girl is playing it", othertimes its about her personality in the way she interacts with the fans, and lastly, it is strictly from watching the game itself (not to say these are the only reasons or that women only fall into one of these categories, just giving some examples). When it comes down to "a girl is playing it", I do not agree that she should be looked down upon or shamed for doing it. She's having fun playing it and people are having fun watching her. That's cool. No problem here.Last edit: 2012-08-08 00:18:20 |
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| Yanami Germany. August 08 2012 00:18. Posts 49 | Profile # |
| Oh dear lord, thank you for posting this. |
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