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| Velr Switzerland. August 22 2012 04:11. Posts 5111 | Profile Blog # |
| I just don't care that much over tournaments that span several weeks anymore. |
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| WindWolf Sweden. August 22 2012 04:23. Posts 2618 | Profile Blog # |
| I lost interest when my favorite players (NaNiwa ans Sase) lost in the first round. That and I really don't like the decision to remove Korhal Compound but keeping Antiga Shipyard. |
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| Cornstyle United States. August 22 2012 04:25. Posts 146 | Profile # |
I would imagine if one were to compare the viewer numbers of TSL3 to TSL4, TSL3 would win in a landslide. I'm basing that on the surprisingly few posts on many of the weekend preview posts by the TLesports writers and just lack of interest. It's impossible to determine just how much of the indifference to this TSL is due to burnout of SC2 fans who don't follow the scene anymore or the lack of known names and foreigners remaining in the tournament however.
I know my own interest in SC2 tournaments has waned considerably. The players I loved when SC2 came out aren't enjoyin the success they once did. In my opinion the biggest obstacle to the long term viability of SC2 in things like MLG or other foreign tournaments will be a lack of local names ( non-Korean). Yes, there will always be fans who just want to see the best skill possible. That's not enough fans to continue the growth and sustainability of the SC2 tournament scene as we know it though. |
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| ACrow Germany. August 22 2012 04:33. Posts 3193 | Profile # |
Hm, I personally love to just watch the best games, so I don't share the complaints about the player pool. However, I think there is an oversaturation of tournaments, there is barely any weekend without a major or at least pretty big tournament, it's just too much right now. Take for example last weekend, I tried to catch as much as possible from IEM (epic matches btw) and then there just wasn't much enthusiasm left to watch TSL.
Imo, it would just be better to limit the amount of tourneys, would be better for the viewer numbers and also for the sponsors to get their message out. If for example RedBull, instead of pulling of yet another event instead became a major sponsor of MLG or IPL, they'd get probably a better exposure, the tourney would get a better price pool or could maybe sponsor the attendance of some up and coming foreigners (like a scholarship) so we as viewers would profit as well without this oversaturation. |
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| Froadac United States. August 22 2012 05:19. Posts 5641 | Profile Blog # |
There are koreans, but there aren't koreans people care about :/ Not every round is an epic matchup.
Good high quality tourney, but with recco and vortix out, there isn't really a player there that i can really strongly root for. |
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| Blazinghand United States. August 22 2012 05:31. Posts 12224 | Profile Blog # |
| I mean, say what you want but JohnnyREcco made a pretty deep run, and mad props to Major as well. Foreigners aren't going to win every foreign tournament, and the level of play IMO has been excellent. Guys like Sting and Life are talented, even if they're unknown, and that's what TSL is about even if the dudes happen to be korean. |
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| ZAiNs United Kingdom. August 22 2012 05:32. Posts 3467 | Profile # |
On August 22 2012 04:23 WindWolf wrote:
I lost interest when my favorite players (NaNiwa ans Sase) lost in the first round. That and I really don't like the decision to remove Korhal Compound but keeping Antiga Shipyard.
Keeping Korhal Compound would be stupid because nobody ever plays it and forcing players to play on a completely new map leads to worse games. While Antiga can be a pretty annoying map it is still used in most big tournaments so there is no reason to remove it. |
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| StarStruck August 22 2012 06:39. Posts 18381 | Profile # |
On August 22 2012 03:42 catplanetcatplanet wrote:
I've been seeing a lot of posts lately concerning TSL4 that deal with people disappointed in the player base. Lots of comparisons are being made to TSL3 and how the previous tournament had big names and exciting up and comers like ThorZaIN. People are getting bored watching Koreans they haven't heard of that don't have much personality make it into the final rounds over fan favorites. On the other side is the argument that Starcraft isn't a popularity contest. Sometimes people complain that invites don't deserve their seed (such as at IPL4).
Does anyone believe that there is a feasible solution to satisfy both parties?
There is no feasible solution. Not only do the players have to try and promote themselves but the organizers have to give them a push at the same time with interviews and getting them more involved with the community.
You don't get this without face-to-face interactions. |
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| Suc Australia. August 22 2012 07:23. Posts 1566 | Profile Blog # |
Yeah, I'm in a similar boat. For TSL2 and TSL3, I woke up at like 3, 4 or 5am or whenever it was to watch almost all of the broadcasts, but I haven't watched a single live broadcast this time. I watched the VODs for the first round with players that were interesting, but, through no fault of TL, TSL4 has become a bit boring for me. As people have mentioned, it feels like a bit of the reason is that there are players that I just don't care about in the top 4. I could honestly care less about watching a game from Keen, Life, Creator or Sting. Who even is Sting anyway, never heard of him before.
I would be lying if I said I wasn't also affected somewhat by burnout of watching so many tournaments for so long now, but I feel that I would still watch TSL4 if there were players in it that I was interested in in it. Unfortunately no one can really do anything about that though, haha.
I hope I will be as psyched for TSL5 as I was for TSL2 and TSL3.Last edit: 2012-08-22 07:25:11 |
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| uikos United States. August 22 2012 09:04. Posts 121 | Profile Blog # |
=/ I feel like tournaments that span a long period of time always suffer from this problem. It might happen in NASL, in IPL Team Leagues, the EG's Team League, and even the GSL (sometimes). Once all your favorite people (or teams) are out, you turn off the broadcast... and you never come back for months until the new season.
I feel like there needs to be video interviews of some sort are needed to make the public feel more attached to these players who advance so I become more curious even if I wasn't a fan of them before. (Not sure how it would be done. Like, would TL fly someone out just to do a video interview? Probs not. Can it just be a skype interview? That'll be weird, never liked those.) So I'm not sure. But yes, I do agree with you. I'm not that interesting in TSL4 now that I don't feel attached to any of these players. |
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| DRTnOOber New Zealand. August 22 2012 10:30. Posts 402 | Profile Blog # |
On August 22 2012 09:04 uikos wrote:
=/ I feel like tournaments that span a long period of time always suffer from this problem. It might happen in NASL, in IPL Team Leagues, the EG's Team League, and even the GSL (sometimes). Once all your favorite people (or teams) are out, you turn off the broadcast... and you never come back for months until the new season.
I feel like there needs to be video interviews of some sort are needed to make the public feel more attached to these players who advance so I become more curious even if I wasn't a fan of them before. (Not sure how it would be done. Like, would TL fly someone out just to do a video interview? Probs not. Can it just be a skype interview? That'll be weird, never liked those.) So I'm not sure. But yes, I do agree with you. I'm not that interesting in TSL4 now that I don't feel attached to any of these players.
Dreamhack was good in that respect, interviewing the winners after each match. I would have really liked to have seen an interview with MC after losing the finals of GSL Season 3... There is definitely something valid about personalities in Starcraft. Look at Usain Bolt; his success isn't just the fact he's the fastest human being who has ever existed, but he gives the fans something to cheer about with his interviews, his moves, his attitude.
If players, teams, tournaments and the whole community want to take professional Starcraft 2 to the next level I think making more of the personalities is perfectly valid, and in my opinion, important. I wish I'd been there when Idra GG'd out of that match against (was it MVP?) when he was clearly not losing/maybe even winning... that's drama. |
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| Itsmedudeman United States. August 22 2012 10:33. Posts 8529 | Profile Blog # |
| Korean vs foreigners is old news. It's all about Kespa vs. GSL players now. The reason why TSL3 was so successful was because that storyline was in its infancy and TSL3 was really one of the first places we ever got to see it. You won't see an online tourny ever be that successful again I'm pretty sure. Last edit: 2012-08-22 10:34:34 |
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| Cornstyle United States. August 22 2012 11:39. Posts 146 | Profile # |
On August 22 2012 10:33 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Korean vs foreigners is old news. It's all about Kespa vs. GSL players now. The reason why TSL3 was so successful was because that storyline was in its infancy and TSL3 was really one of the first places we ever got to see it. You won't see an online tourny ever be that successful again I'm pretty sure.
I'm interested in what you mean by it being old news. While I agree that in terms of competitiveness its all about GSL vs KESPA players, I feel like the influx of KESPA players will result in a sudden spike in viewership, then just continuing the viewership decline we are seeing. While this may be out of scope for this blog, and if so I apologize, I am extremely interested in the "Korean problem" that has been somewhat discussed on TL already. I just feel like TSL4 is a gigantic in our face warning sign of what happens when you have a bunch of the "faceless Koreans" (to quote the original article) and few to none of the popular players in the community. I can't imagine SC2 continuing to have such a large place in tournaments such as MLG, IPL or Dreamhack without the attraction of players that the majority of fans can get behind. |
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| catplanetcatplanet August 22 2012 16:08. Posts 2230 | Profile Blog # |
| I can see where a lot of people are coming from, but some of them compare TSL to tournaments like ESV as if thats a derogatory term. It kind of gets on my nerves. |
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