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| Stratos Czech Republic. September 02 2012 18:39. Posts 1583 | Profile Blog # | |
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| Birdie New Zealand. September 02 2012 18:54. Posts 1226 | Profile Blog # |
You want to play on iCCup (http://www.iccup.com/starcraft/sc_start.html ). You should expect to lose a LOT when you start, as SCBW is a lot more difficult than SCII, and the average skill level is higher (D rank players are platinum/diamond in SCII, roughly).
Terran vs Protoss is mech, unlike SC2 (that means tanks and vultures and some goliaths). Tanks are really good in SCBW, unlike SC2. There are similiarities (marine splitting in SC2 can be similiar to splitting against, say, zerg lurkers in SCBW). I'd say Terran turtles more in SCBW than in SC2. When playing vs Zerg you can go either mech or bio; bio is more standard but both are good. TvT is all mech, almost constantly after the first few marines.
For general differences, you'll have to get used to SCVs not automatically mining (you have to manually right click mineral patches to mine), single building select instead of multiple building select, and max 12 unit selection instead of max 500. This means the game is mechanically more difficult to play than SC2.
For Terran, SCVs and marines are about the same. Marines have two upgrades at the Academy (terran tech building), the range upgrade (U238 shell) and Stim upgrade. Instead of medivacs, you have medics, which are ground units that heal ground bio units. (Requires an academy) There is a separate air unit called the dropship which is used as an air transport. There is a ground unit called the Firebat (requires academy) which has flamethrowers like a hellion, but is slow like a marine. Ghosts are sorta similiar to SC2 but not used as often; you mostly use marines and medics for your main bio army.
For mech units, you have the vulture, which is fast like a hellion, but shoots single powerful shots. It has a speed upgrade which is very useful, and a Spider Mine upgrade which gives it three Spider Mines. Spider Mines are placed on the ground and chase and explode on units that come close (very similiar to the Widow Mine in HotS). The siege tank is the same as in SCII but more powerful (it requires a machine shop on the factory). The goliath is basically a smaller Thor, which doesn't do splash damage. It is mostly effective vs air units, and has a range upgrade. Mech upgrades are at the Machine Shop, which is a Factory addon. There is also the Armory, which has the weapon and armour upgrades, and is required for goliaths.
Air units are built from the Starport. Wraiths are like ...banshees but they can attack air and ground. They can cloak. Dropships are like medivacs without heal. Science Vessels are the air spellcaster, and are very useful. They have EMP (drains shields and energy, like the SCII Ghost EMP), and a shield (targets one unit, shields something like 250 damage), and Irradiate. Irradiate targets one unit and attaches a green cloud to that unit which deals splash damage to bio units in the area as well as to the targetted unit.
Battlecruisers are similiar to SCII BCs; they have Yamato Cannon, which is a spell which does heaps of damage to a single target, after a warmup.
I can go into the other races if you need. I suggest you play some of the campaign if you have the full version of SCBW, as it'll teach you all the units of each race in an easy way. There is a skype group for beginner players, which if you need an invite I can give you one (add me, JackRCDF on skype). There are often leagues and tournaments for low level players; one is in progress now (D Ranks Team League and one just finished, the D Ranks Individual Tournament. If you need more information just let me know.
Again, expect to lose a lot of games when you first start. |
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| Djeez September 02 2012 19:08. Posts 469 | Profile Blog # |
I don't really understand why people always tell completely new players to start on iccup right away. There's still a reasonable amount of 1:1 play/obs on US East/West every day. In fact, there's one right now and it's 6 am. And it specifies ''for noobs''. It's like you want him to go get wrecked right away just to shame him and prove BW is that much harder than SC2 >.>
Sorry about ranting but it's pretty much like that everytime and I'm convinced that it's for this reason.Last edit: 2012-09-02 19:11:05 |
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| Birdie New Zealand. September 02 2012 19:13. Posts 1226 | Profile Blog # |
On September 02 2012 19:08 Djeez wrote:
I don't really understand why people always tell completely new players to start on iccup right away. There's still a reasonable amount of 1:1 play/obs on US East/West every day. In fact, there's one right now and it's 6 am. And it specifies ''for noobs''. It's like you want him to go get wrecked right away just to shame him and prove BW is that much harder than SC2 >.>
Sorry about ranting but it's pretty much like that everytime and I'm convinced that it's for this reason.
There's lots of hackers on West and East, which is why I don't normally recommend it. Plus, the skill level is higher on iCCup which is a good thing. However, it is true that there are often games hosted on East and West, so OP, if you want, you can go on USEast and USWest to play as well. |
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| Cambium Japan. September 02 2012 20:29. Posts 15607 | Profile Blog # |
don't play on iccup, play against computers.
if you can beat 3 computers on python or fighting spirit, then try iccup
if you start now, you'll just get super disheartened and lose interest almost immediately
On September 02 2012 19:08 Djeez wrote:
I don't really understand why people always tell completely new players to start on iccup right away. There's still a reasonable amount of 1:1 play/obs on US East/West every day. In fact, there's one right now and it's 6 am. And it specifies ''for noobs''. It's like you want him to go get wrecked right away just to shame him and prove BW is that much harder than SC2 >.>
Sorry about ranting but it's pretty much like that everytime and I'm convinced that it's for this reason.
I agree. iccup is about the worst place to start for complete beginnersLast edit: 2012-09-02 20:30:07 |
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| mizU United States. September 02 2012 21:05. Posts 9976 | Profile Blog # |
Computers are just 6 minute all ins though, only good practice for turtling ;;
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| Stratos Czech Republic. September 02 2012 21:10. Posts 1583 | Profile Blog # |
Indeed, don't practice vs the AI too much because you'll develop bad habits. Just learn to deflect their initial rush and maybe work on your hotkeys/bos regardless of what they're doing. You need to go online and find a practice buddy who's in the same situation as you. A lot of the D-/E players can practice their offrace with you.
If you want me to add you to the sGs skype group (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=272674) add me on skype - sgs.stratos. There's a lot of people new to the game. Actually my zerg is E/D- and I could use a practice buddy to learn the basic openings. |
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| SaWse Belgium. September 02 2012 21:10. Posts 84 | Profile # |
| The only thing you can do vs computers is train your macro because they are what you could call horrible. |
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| jello_biafra United Kingdom. September 02 2012 22:28. Posts 5811 | Profile Blog # |
On September 02 2012 21:10 SaWse wrote:
The only thing you can do vs computers is train your macro because they are what you could call horrible.
You can practice your micro as well, like trying to kill their zealot rush with 2 vultures or something.
Really though, you want to get past the stage of practicing against computers as fast as possible and get on to playing the real games. |
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| Th1rdEye United States. September 02 2012 22:46. Posts 809 | Profile Blog # |
Haha good luck bro! Brood War is much more demanding and frustrating than SC2 will ever be.
Diamond in SC2 will equivocate to about D or D+ on iccup. |
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| sob3k United States. September 02 2012 23:01. Posts 4652 | Profile Blog # |
On September 02 2012 21:05 mizU wrote:
Computers are just 6 minute all ins though, only good practice for turtling ;;
There were some AI's you could DL from www.broodwarai.com that were actually pretty solid for working on a build order against and actually did semi reasonable builds. I know they were very nice for me when I was working on learning zerg a few years ago, don't know if they are still around. |
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| iPlaY.NettleS Australia. September 02 2012 23:49. Posts 1495 | Profile Blog # |
On September 02 2012 19:13 Birdie wrote:
Show nested quote +On September 02 2012 19:08 Djeez wrote:
I don't really understand why people always tell completely new players to start on iccup right away. There's still a reasonable amount of 1:1 play/obs on US East/West every day. In fact, there's one right now and it's 6 am. And it specifies ''for noobs''. It's like you want him to go get wrecked right away just to shame him and prove BW is that much harder than SC2 >.>
Sorry about ranting but it's pretty much like that everytime and I'm convinced that it's for this reason.
There's lots of hackers on West and East, which is why I don't normally recommend it. Plus, the skill level is higher on iCCup which is a good thing. However, it is true that there are often games hosted on East and West, so OP, if you want, you can go on USEast and USWest to play as well.
Havent played BW for a couple of years but in my experience alot of the hackers doing these type of games are just map editors who have rigged the UMS map in their favour (vision , extra minerals etc)
Play TVB or MELEE and not UMS if you want a lower chance of running into these type of guys |
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| N.geNuity United States. September 03 2012 00:00. Posts 3196 | Profile # |
obligatory join clan sgs (d/d+ level clan, helps new players get into the game. I am not a part of it):
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=272674
Even though their thread hasn't updated in a month, you can see from the link in that OP that their team on iccup has 50 people that all have games played this season and about 35-40 of them seem to have enough games indicating plenty of activity (like 48-38 or so).
http://www.iccup.com/teams/27072.html
They're all friendly and many are also newcomers. |
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| FlaShFTW United States. September 03 2012 00:04. Posts 4954 | Profile Blog # |
On September 02 2012 19:08 Djeez wrote:
I don't really understand why people always tell completely new players to start on iccup right away. There's still a reasonable amount of 1:1 play/obs on US East/West every day. In fact, there's one right now and it's 6 am. And it specifies ''for noobs''. It's like you want him to go get wrecked right away just to shame him and prove BW is that much harder than SC2 >.>
Sorry about ranting but it's pretty much like that everytime and I'm convinced that it's for this reason.
D ranked players have a low enough macro that if he at least knows the basics of SC2, then he just needs to pick up a build order and he'll do fine.
plus US E/W too many hackers. screw that. |
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| bITt.mAN Switzerland. September 03 2012 00:18. Posts 3396 | Profile Blog # |
I'll warn you now: Terran is great, I chose it because I wanted to try and copy my BW idols Boxer and Fantasy (in their micro), but IT IS NOT EASY. At the higher tiers it evens out, but starting out there is a massive difference in the gaming requirements to compete on even grounds.
So, be prepared for people rushing you early on, and without great building placement and unit control you're completely dead, even when you see it coming. You can know all the things a Protoss is doing wrong (e.g. not expanding enough), but if you still aren't super careful, they can 1a2a3a their Goons+Zealots and easily steamroll your un-prepared forces. At lower levels, 'the number of things you have to do to play at the same level' is much higher for Terran. Yes, I'm biased, but you can see the frustration that's coming out when I think about my own ladder experience and the frustrations of learning Terran.
It will most likely really piss you off sometimes when they do what seems like overly easy (to the point of being unfair) shit, and still win. But that's worth it, because playing Terran is a blast, and I would be ashamed to play anything but it q: Lol if you switched to P, you'd have to play PvP, which can also hurt your soul (in how often it happens on iCCup).
TL;DR getting in is HARD and can be quite frustrating, but don't be tempted to compromise on which race you play just because the others may appear easier. You'll have the most fun if you play with the units you like the most, regardless of unfairness. |
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| don_kyuhote September 03 2012 02:08. Posts 1870 | Profile Blog # |
I've never played SC2, but from what I heard, Terran as a race in SC2 is alot more mobile than Terran in BW. (Hence why Artosis played Zerg and not Terran in SC2 according to himself.)
I think its a general consensus that at lowest level, Terran is the hardest race to play in BW, but it's that much rewarding too 
Nothing is more pleasurable to see than your tanks melting your opponent's army. Blue goo if Protoss, Red blood if Zerg.
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| surfinbird1 Germany. September 03 2012 02:26. Posts 999 | Profile # |
| Why don't you start with the campaign? It's a reasonable tool to get the hang of the game and get acquainted to the units. Also it's a great story with great characters. I still play the campaign from time to time and it's always an amazing experience. Most importantly have fun! |
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| ZerphyR September 03 2012 03:25. Posts 259 | Profile Blog # |
| Thanks all for your advice I'll make an account on iCCup. But how are you ranked whats equivalent to GM in SC2? And why isn't there a ladder in BW? |
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