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| RemarK United States. October 30 2012 09:14. Posts 404 | Profile Blog # |
I’ve been toying with the idea of using my blog to share build order skeletons for a few weeks now, but haven’t found a build interesting enough to talk about until I saw all the recent discussion about Parting’s immortal sentry all-in. After all-killing LG-IM in the GSTL, he gave an awesome interview that was full of confidence and personality – “In practice matches, I've performed around 70 Immortal timing attacks, and I have never seen anyone block one. There are no Zergs who can defend against my Immortal rush in Wings of Liberty." That quote led me to research this build in more depth, and after seeing an excellent post on the “All Things Protoss” subreddit, I decided to start learning the build and work on mastering more aggressive PvZ builds.
Build order skeleton:
+ Show Spoiler +Safer and more recent variant:
Thanks to TL-user oOOoOphidian for sending me this:
"Here are the most recent timings on his build. They're mostly the same as they were in September, but the small changes seem to help, especially the opener. The timings of the opener allow you to be completely safe against 14 pool, which the old opener did not (especially with Forge in main).
16 Nexus, Forge 17 Pylon, Gateway, Cannon 19 2x Gas 24 Core 30 Pylon 32 Stalker (Chrono once), Warp Gate 34 Robo (5:36), Gas Pylon, Sentry, +1 Attack, Pylon (at main ramp) Immortal, 3x Gateway (at main ramp), Sentry Immortal, 4th Gas, 2x Gate, Sentry (wg finish 8:00) Warp in 2 Sentries
Push at 8:50 with 7 Sentry, 3 Immortal, 1 Stalker to set up a single proxy pylon Rally warp prism and make 7th Gate Wall off natural with 2 more pylons, wall off rest of main with 1 more pylon Warp in 2 Sentries and 2 Zealots as you move out."
Greediest variant for maximum strength:
Thanks to Reddit user pandazrule93 for taking the time to write this up from a Parting VoD:
9 Pylon (in main) Chronoboost probes 3 times 17 Nexus 17 Forge in main 17 Pylon at nat 17 Resume probe production 18 Gate at nat 18/19 Cannon at nat 20 Double gas in main 23 Pylon at nat 24 Cybernetics core @ gateway 100% complete 26 Research +1 ground weapons 30 Research warpgate @ cybernetics core 100% complete 30 Stalker (optional chronoboost on it) 36 Robotics facility 36 1st gas at nat 36 Pylon - place this for partial wall-off at the top of your main ramp @100 gas start sentry 44 Add 2 gates 46 Build immortal + Chronoboost it 54 2nd gas at nat 54 Add 1 gate 60 Add 3 gates
Notes: Stop producing probes at full saturation (44) Go up to 3 immortals Push out at 8:50 with 3 immortals, 1 stalker, 1 zealot, 7 sentries Warp prism and observer after 3rd immortal Wall-off your natural (and main) as push leaves Hit at 10:00 - go straight for the Zerg's natural, don't waste time attacking his 3rd base (this lets you forcefield his ramp to isolate reinforcements if you get into position as well) All chronoboost on probes and then immortals. Your robotics facility should never stop being chronoboosted once the first immortal is started. Parting positions his stalker to deny overlord scouts, so don't keep it out on the map for very long
Tips / Tricks / Thoughts:
+ Show Spoiler +Here are some tips and tricks posted by Reddit user bearrosaurus (some slight paraphrasing on my part):
- Parting goes Nexus first, Forge in his main base, and no scouting until the 18 gateway to max his mining. All the scout does is look for the hatch building at the third, then it goes back home to mine.* - No +1 armor. It looks like all the chronoboosts are on probes, and then on the robo nonstop. - His stalker is placed to deny the overlord scout at 7 min. - Probes cut when the first Immortal finishes (44 probes).
*RemarK note: on ladder, I would be scared of not scouting for so long versus a Zerg player, so if you aren't comfortable with it, feel free to 9 scout or build a blind 13 Forge and scout with the probe that builds the Forge - the build will still work!
One thought / comment I have on this build is that its effectiveness is directly correlated to how fast you can push out with it – if you aren’t succeeding with it, make sure that you are pushing out with the same amount of units at the same time that Parting does.
VoDs:
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Replays + Analysis:
+ Show Spoiler +RemarK vs Swarm - this replay was after I spent some time practicing the build versus my teammates and shows much better execution on the macro side than the other replays I have here. Disclaimer: the replays vs Dreamizer and Hawk are only my 2nd and 3rd time executing the build ever - they are NOT an example of a perfect or ever close to perfect level of execution of the build. The VoDs will be more helpful for learning the exact build, the replays are here simply to chronicle my own experiences with this build. RemarK vs MYiDreamizer – he played very interestingly. His response to this build was cutting lair + evo chamber, and never droning too hard. If I had read the situation properly, I could have just backed off after killing drones at his 3rd base and been ahead in both tech and economy. However, this was only my 2nd time trying the build and I overcommitted to aggression and lost the game. Also, my push was hitting later than it should so I believe just executing Parting’s build properly would have translated to a fairly straightforward win as well. RemarK vs QuanticHawk– I’m not sure if Hawk misread my build or just messed up his control by letting me get into a deadly position with my units (especially sentries), but this game could been a lot closer if he had more units and better positioning. He was going for a very ling-heavy defense, but could not directly engage my army when I first moved out and his attempt to get the lings past my wall was ineffective. This game I moved out faster than the first game versus Dreamizer, but I still need to improve things like preemptively placing my gateways to wall of at my main ramp and moving my army across the map in a tight ball formation.
Final Notes:
Given that this post is much shorter on detail and advice than any of my formal guides plus includes lots of citations from others, I decided to post it here under the format of a discussion rather than as a guide in the Strategy forum. I’ll continue practicing the build over the next few days, and update this post with more replays + analysis. Also, if anyone knows of more VoDs of this build, please post here or PM me so that I can add them to this post. I hope some of you join me in this conversation and post your results / replays with this build here for further discussion!
About Me:
+ Show Spoiler +I'm Matt "RemarK" Kramer, a grandmaster Protoss on the NA server. I come from an FPS background (competitive Halo player for 5+ years), and I switched to SC2 starting December 2010. I currently play for Frost eSports. You can learn more about me in my Stream hub thread here on TeamLiquid, or by checking out my stream and Twitter (@remarkiwa). Last edit: 2012-11-12 15:33:54
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| EtherealDeath United States. October 30 2012 09:31. Posts 8158 | Profile Blog # |
Good skeleton, but it's the WonWonWon.
Alternatively, you could call it the ZERGBONGER~ |
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| FXOkaRmy Canada. October 30 2012 09:50. Posts 575 | Profile Blog # |
| What is the reaction to a 6/10 pool? |
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| RemarK United States. October 30 2012 09:54. Posts 404 | Profile Blog # |
On October 30 2012 09:50 LgNkarmy wrote: What is the reaction to a 6/10 pool?
I play more standard and either 9-scout or blind 13-forge. I think he gets away with not scouting like that due to Code S metagame. |
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| docvoc United States. October 30 2012 10:05. Posts 3475 | Profile Blog # |
Why is this in blogs? i realize that it is not detailed enough for the strategy section, but I don't know if blogs is the best place for this. Though, very nice B-O and style, I love parting . Also all parting does to react to a 6 pool is WIN. |
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| Oboeman Canada. October 30 2012 11:11. Posts 3414 | Profile # |
All the scout does is look for the hatch building at the third, then it goes back home to mine
Don't you think this is a little unsafe? Seeing a hatchery doesn't mean you're safe. |
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| RemarK United States. October 30 2012 11:15. Posts 404 | Profile Blog # |
On October 30 2012 11:11 Oboeman wrote: Show nested quote +All the scout does is look for the hatch building at the third, then it goes back home to mine
Don't you think this is a little unsafe? Seeing a hatchery doesn't mean you're safe.
Hmm well, like I said, I don't follow that part of the build (I use standard scouting times, no-scout until 18 + nexus first is definitely greedy) but I think if you've scouted a 3rd base go down, the only thing you have to worry about is a slow zergling all-in which can be defended just by having a probe at your wall plugging the hole. |
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| Whatson United States. October 30 2012 11:58. Posts 4458 | Profile # |
Why this is only a blog...really could be turned into a guide And please do more of these in the future if you can  Last edit: 2012-10-30 11:59:18 |
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| RemarK United States. October 31 2012 03:31. Posts 404 | Profile Blog # |
On October 30 2012 11:58 Whatson wrote:Why this is only a blog...really could be turned into a guide And please do more of these in the future if you can 
I wasn't comfortable posting it as a guide because:
1) I have kinda high standards for myself when I write guides, as far as including lots of information, advice on how to respond to every situation, and updating them periodically and answering the questions people. I didn't have the energy or motivation to turn this into a full-fledged guide, and I had just started using this build yesterday so I don't have the experience or understanding yet to talk about this strategy in Guide-worthy detail.
2) A sizable amount of this blog post includes content that was written by people I don't know on Reddit - I wasn't comfortable posting stuff I didn't write as a formal guide without their permission, and I wanted to make a fairly small write-up and just get this post online yesterday.
I might adapt it into a full-fledged guide after I have more understanding of the build and replays to share.
And yeah, I will be working on more content like this in the future. Both formal guides and smaller build order skeletons like this  |
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| Teoita Italy. October 31 2012 03:40. Posts 4255 | Profile Blog # |
| I could swear i've seen him go robo before +1 to get his immortals out asap and i thought that was why his pushes are so much faster. Last edit: 2012-10-31 03:40:39 |
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| .kv United States. October 31 2012 03:56. Posts 2125 | Profile Blog # |
He has like 3 different variations
Spent countless of hours watching his WonWonWon build through like 7 vods.
He has one where he goes with just 2 immortals but most of his builds revolve around 3 immortals, etc etc |
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xPabt October 31 2012 06:31. Posts 226 | Profile # |
| I think in that game he went straight for the natural as a reaction to leenock going for the base trade situation. |
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| RemarK United States. October 31 2012 06:41. Posts 404 | Profile Blog # |
| Thanks to Reddit user WonWonWon, there are now two more VoDs in the OP - they do not require GOM subscription as they are from WCS Asia! |
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| Rickyvalle21 United States. October 31 2012 12:00. Posts 92 | Profile # |
| Thank you so much remark. Someone actually did a guide a few months back of Parting's immortal sentry all-in when he did it vs Ret at red bull battlegrounds but this build has been proven to be more powerful and advance. Thank you. |
| | people say practice is perfect but if nothing is perfect whats the point in practicing? |
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| QuantumChaos Canada. October 31 2012 12:39. Posts 30 | Profile # |
| Since the Parting v Roro vod is over 2 hours long, game one starts at 1:39:40 (may want to add to OP) Last edit: 2012-10-31 12:40:08 |
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| RemarK United States. October 31 2012 12:57. Posts 404 | Profile Blog # |
On October 31 2012 12:39 QuantumChaos wrote: Since the Parting v Roro vod is over 2 hours long, game one starts at 1:39:40 (may want to add to OP)
The link in the OP has the time stamp in it, so it should automatically take you to the right time. I'll put a note in the link though in case that doesn't work for people. |
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| Havik_ United States. October 31 2012 15:39. Posts 4395 | Profile # |
| Has he seriously never lost to a Zerg with this? I find that incredibly hard to believe. If he got the point where he straight up was never losing against another race, combined with his amazing PvT and good PvP he would be much more dominant than he currently is. |
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| zaner132 United States. October 31 2012 15:53. Posts 25 | Profile # |
On October 31 2012 15:39 Havik_ wrote: Has he seriously never lost to a Zerg with this?
Maybe he only does it on maps that he knows it is strong on? Or he only follows through with build/attack if he sees zerg doing certain things? I don't think he meant that he blindly goes sentry immortal all-in every game no matter what.
Instead, he probably meant that every time he chooses to go sentry immortal all-in he wins.
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| Crosswind United States. October 31 2012 18:01. Posts 272 | Profile # |
By making your first forge in your main, you are virtually guaranteeing that he will have lings in your base. Right? Or is there some way to prevent this?
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| PolishxThunder United States. November 01 2012 00:29. Posts 150 | Profile # |
| Go to Scvods and look up Squirtle's pvz, I remember there being like 2 games where he did the same build (Vs Curious on Ohana is one) |
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