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Cheese Classification

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  HeavOnEarth   United States. July 05 2008 12:55. Posts 6627Profile Blog # 
<rant>
The general state of my well being rests upon your shoulders !

To settle an argument with a "friend" of mine

Is 3hatch ling speed (with only 10 drones left over) a cheese?

[image loading]

Poll: 3hatch speedlingz = ebil cheese?
(Vote): no fucking shit!(cheese)
(Vote): uhh no..(give reason)

;edit; kay fuck my general well -being
as i ranted to shallow eariler fuck all of ye'!- you all can fucking jump and fucking die in a flaming fucking pit with fucking flames and fucking spikes.
- No, ..actually, fucking , spiky dildoes SHOVED up your asses
NOT EVEN ONE SINGLE FUCKING PITY VOTE OMFG.
*cries in corner in fetal position

ok nevermind teh new zvt replay on tl makes meh happeh again
yey
for zvt game spoiler+ Show Spoiler +
ok nevermind the z fucking lost due to imba terran skeelz

;edit2;
OMG YAY 2 PITY VOTES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D
<end rant>

oh and im just kidding about the.. dying.. in horrific/traumatizing way
just wanted to emphasis meh disappointment
tl rox mah sox~
Last edit: 2008-07-05 13:38:56


*
"come korea next time... FXO house... 10 korean, 10 korean"
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 thunk   United States. July 05 2008 12:57. Posts 6233
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It's as legit as a 2 hatch hydra break. I lost to one of those today.
Every time Jung Myung Hoon builds a vulture, two probes die. || My post count was a palindrome and I was never posting again.
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 Southlight   United States. July 05 2008 12:58. Posts 9999
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If it was done without regard for the opponent's build (as mostly done in BGH), I would say it's cheese. But if it's done to, for instance, crush T/P FE, then I'd say it's a nice tactical move. *shrugs* I classify cheese by intent.
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
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 Monokeros   United States. July 05 2008 12:58. Posts 2469
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IMO a cheese is when its scouted you're basically screwed, like say proxy or 5pool, or just building in their base.
Keep the Dream Alive
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  Roffles  *   Tuvalu. July 05 2008 12:59. Posts 14416Profile Blog # 
Uhh no. Cheesing would be some gay shit like 4/5/6 pool. 3 hatch lings is like the same as 3 hatch hydras or some shit like that. If you can't stop lings 5 minutes into the game, you don't deserve to win.
@fucktwitterandallthosepeoplewiththesetagsintheirsigs
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 inlagdsil   Canada. July 05 2008 13:00. Posts 957
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3 hatch speedlings is easily scoutable and can be a good beginning to a macro heavy fast expanding zerg. It is a powerful way of taking map control, and since it isn't "all in" I don't think it's cheese. (I could be wrong about my strategic assessments, I rarely ever do this)
There is nothing cuter than a zergling when it has just started taking crack
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  micronesia   United States. July 05 2008 13:02. Posts 19521Profile Blog # 
It's a viable build, and strong vs people who don't know how to respond.
Haste. Exalted. Flying. Deathtouch. Lifelink. Protection from Red.
But the Hamiltonian wasn't Hermitian!
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 Krohm   Canada. July 05 2008 13:13. Posts 1721
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On July 05 2008 13:00 inlagdsil wrote:
3 hatch speedlings is easily scoutable and can be a good beginning to a macro heavy fast expanding zerg. It is a powerful way of taking map control, and since it isn't "all in" I don't think it's cheese. (I could be wrong about my strategic assessments, I rarely ever do this)

Nah you're pretty much right. With 3 hatch lings you can pretty much contain the protoss for a limited time, which gives you a big enough window to lay down a few expansions.
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 B1nary   Canada. July 05 2008 13:18. Posts 1054
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Saying 3 hatch speedling is cheese is like saying anything other than standard play is cheese. IMO, the only cheese builds are proxy rushes and 4/5 pools.
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  Chill   Canada. July 05 2008 13:23. Posts 25262Profile Blog # 
Shut the fuck up and scout.

JESUS CHRIST.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=275302&currentpage=225#4490
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 zobz   Canada. July 05 2008 13:27. Posts 2130
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I don't consider cheese a bad thing.. it's just a way to end the game early, which is perfectly legitimate, and which 3 hatch ling quallifies as. Maybe i should rethink that but i won't just now
"That's not gonna be good for business. That's not gonna be good for anybody..."
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  HeavOnEarth   United States. July 05 2008 13:30. Posts 6627Profile Blog # 

On July 05 2008 13:23 Chill wrote:
Shut the fuck up and scout.

JESUS CHRIST.


normally i would retort that i was just talking about the classification , not an actual game ( seeing as how i play z and rather tend to stray from tvz / pvz) or that ,in this hypothetical game, even if i did scout, it wouldn't debunk the question if it was a cheese of not.

but fuck, what chance do i have vs chill ;_;
Last edit: 2008-07-05 13:30:33
"come korea next time... FXO house... 10 korean, 10 korean"
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 ash.cure   United States. July 05 2008 13:54. Posts 29
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3 hatch speedlings shouldn't be considered "cheese" imo, but it is a pretty poor build because it wont win vs many average-above average players. And if it is scouted, it isn't all-in, but it would be hard to come back from an unsucessful 3hatch ling attack against a player of similar or better skill
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 Raithed   China. July 05 2008 13:54. Posts 7029
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its fine...................................... as long as you are able to scout it.
http://raith.freehostia.com
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 Equinox_kr   United States. July 05 2008 14:35. Posts 7391
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I thought this thread was going to be about various types of edible cheese
^-^
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  micronesia   United States. July 05 2008 14:36. Posts 19521Profile Blog # 

On July 05 2008 13:30 HeavOnEarth wrote:
but fuck, what chance do i have vs chill ;_;
Just acknowledge the fact that he is usually right on these sorts of topics, but often overreacts.
Haste. Exalted. Flying. Deathtouch. Lifelink. Protection from Red.
But the Hamiltonian wasn't Hermitian!
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 zulu_nation8   China. July 05 2008 15:04. Posts 18725
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it's an all-in sure
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 rgfdxm   United States. July 05 2008 15:07. Posts 214
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I think Chill's point is that "classifying" builds as cheese is monumentally pointless and psychologically self-defeating. It doesn't matter if the build that beat you can be called "cheese" or not according to a jury of your peers. Scout it and beat it or shut up.
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  micronesia   United States. July 05 2008 15:12. Posts 19521Profile Blog # 

On July 05 2008 15:07 rgfdxm wrote:
It doesn't matter if the build that beat you can be called "cheese" or not according to a jury of your peers. Scout it and beat it or shut up.

Definitely a matter of opinion open to interpretation. I refuse to argue that in this silly blog though, so pm me if you want my opinion.
Haste. Exalted. Flying. Deathtouch. Lifelink. Protection from Red.
But the Hamiltonian wasn't Hermitian!
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 Yogurt   Belize. July 05 2008 15:29. Posts 4257
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there is no "cheese"

you take certain risks by going different builds, and other builds are there to exploit them

rock paper scissors factor
ok dont not so good something is something ok ok ok gogogo
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