 HeavOnEarth United States. July 05 2008 12:55. Posts 6627 | Profile Blog # | |
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| thunk United States. July 05 2008 12:57. Posts 6233 | Profile Blog # |
| It's as legit as a 2 hatch hydra break. I lost to one of those today. |
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| Southlight United States. July 05 2008 12:58. Posts 9999 | Profile Blog # |
| If it was done without regard for the opponent's build (as mostly done in BGH), I would say it's cheese. But if it's done to, for instance, crush T/P FE, then I'd say it's a nice tactical move. *shrugs* I classify cheese by intent. |
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| Monokeros United States. July 05 2008 12:58. Posts 2469 | Profile Blog # |
| IMO a cheese is when its scouted you're basically screwed, like say proxy or 5pool, or just building in their base. |
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 Roffles  Tuvalu. July 05 2008 12:59. Posts 14416 | Profile Blog # |
| Uhh no. Cheesing would be some gay shit like 4/5/6 pool. 3 hatch lings is like the same as 3 hatch hydras or some shit like that. If you can't stop lings 5 minutes into the game, you don't deserve to win. |
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| inlagdsil Canada. July 05 2008 13:00. Posts 957 | Profile # |
| 3 hatch speedlings is easily scoutable and can be a good beginning to a macro heavy fast expanding zerg. It is a powerful way of taking map control, and since it isn't "all in" I don't think it's cheese. (I could be wrong about my strategic assessments, I rarely ever do this) |
| | There is nothing cuter than a zergling when it has just started taking crack |
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 micronesia United States. July 05 2008 13:02. Posts 19521 | Profile Blog # |
| It's a viable build, and strong vs people who don't know how to respond. |
| Haste. Exalted. Flying. Deathtouch. Lifelink. Protection from Red.
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| Krohm Canada. July 05 2008 13:13. Posts 1721 | Profile Blog # |
On July 05 2008 13:00 inlagdsil wrote:
3 hatch speedlings is easily scoutable and can be a good beginning to a macro heavy fast expanding zerg. It is a powerful way of taking map control, and since it isn't "all in" I don't think it's cheese. (I could be wrong about my strategic assessments, I rarely ever do this)
Nah you're pretty much right. With 3 hatch lings you can pretty much contain the protoss for a limited time, which gives you a big enough window to lay down a few expansions. |
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| B1nary Canada. July 05 2008 13:18. Posts 1054 | Profile Blog # |
| Saying 3 hatch speedling is cheese is like saying anything other than standard play is cheese. IMO, the only cheese builds are proxy rushes and 4/5 pools. |
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 Chill Canada. July 05 2008 13:23. Posts 25262 | Profile Blog # |
Shut the fuck up and scout.
JESUS CHRIST. |
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| zobz Canada. July 05 2008 13:27. Posts 2130 | Profile # |
| I don't consider cheese a bad thing.. it's just a way to end the game early, which is perfectly legitimate, and which 3 hatch ling quallifies as. Maybe i should rethink that but i won't just now |
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| HeavOnEarth United States. July 05 2008 13:30. Posts 6627 | Profile Blog # |
On July 05 2008 13:23 Chill wrote:
Shut the fuck up and scout.
JESUS CHRIST.
normally i would retort that i was just talking about the classification , not an actual game ( seeing as how i play z and rather tend to stray from tvz / pvz) or that ,in this hypothetical game, even if i did scout, it wouldn't debunk the question if it was a cheese of not.
but fuck, what chance do i have vs chill ;_;Last edit: 2008-07-05 13:30:33 |
| | "come korea next time... FXO house... 10 korean, 10 korean" |
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| ash.cure United States. July 05 2008 13:54. Posts 29 | Profile Blog # |
| 3 hatch speedlings shouldn't be considered "cheese" imo, but it is a pretty poor build because it wont win vs many average-above average players. And if it is scouted, it isn't all-in, but it would be hard to come back from an unsucessful 3hatch ling attack against a player of similar or better skill |
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| Raithed China. July 05 2008 13:54. Posts 7029 | Profile Blog # |
| its fine...................................... as long as you are able to scout it. |
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| Equinox_kr United States. July 05 2008 14:35. Posts 7391 | Profile Blog # |
I thought this thread was going to be about various types of edible cheese  |
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| micronesia United States. July 05 2008 14:36. Posts 19521 | Profile Blog # |
On July 05 2008 13:30 HeavOnEarth wrote:
but fuck, what chance do i have vs chill ;_;
Just acknowledge the fact that he is usually right on these sorts of topics, but often overreacts.
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| zulu_nation8 China. July 05 2008 15:04. Posts 18725 | Profile Blog # | |
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| rgfdxm United States. July 05 2008 15:07. Posts 214 | Profile # |
| I think Chill's point is that "classifying" builds as cheese is monumentally pointless and psychologically self-defeating. It doesn't matter if the build that beat you can be called "cheese" or not according to a jury of your peers. Scout it and beat it or shut up. |
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| micronesia United States. July 05 2008 15:12. Posts 19521 | Profile Blog # |
On July 05 2008 15:07 rgfdxm wrote:
It doesn't matter if the build that beat you can be called "cheese" or not according to a jury of your peers. Scout it and beat it or shut up.
Definitely a matter of opinion open to interpretation. I refuse to argue that in this silly blog though, so pm me if you want my opinion. |
| Haste. Exalted. Flying. Deathtouch. Lifelink. Protection from Red.
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| Yogurt Belize. July 05 2008 15:29. Posts 4257 | Profile Blog # |
there is no "cheese"
you take certain risks by going different builds, and other builds are there to exploit them
rock paper scissors factor |
| | ok dont not so good something is something ok ok ok gogogo |
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