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| NrG.Bamboo United States. August 11 2008 04:50. Posts 2442 | Profile Blog # |
As I'm sitting here at my grandparents house, on the dialup connection as they sleep in the living room while watching NASCAR (I'm trying to ignore the sound), unable to practice BW or anything, I think that my current skill level is really the most annoying area to be. Don't get me wrong, it really sucks being D- and all, but I'll explain why being B rank sucks so much (in my opinion)
1 - resources for improvement
Sure, when you're B rank you understand the basics of BW, and you have at least mediocre mechanics, but that doesn't mean I don't have a million questions that need to be answered. Alot of the time I can't go to the strategy forum else I'll just get the information that I already know; posting replays, people will think you're just "showing off" if you ask for advice from the "better" players at TL, but if not, you'll just keep getting the same (possibly incorrect) information given back to you. Also, getting a hold of the better players to answer my questions is pretty hard because, in my experience, there is alot less of a noob-friendly attitude when you try to get some help from an A rank player. The more community players, as far as I have seen, are usually centered in the lower ranks.
I've found this especially true in 2:2. I think it's really hard to improve in 2:2 because the huge wealth of information that you can usually find on TL for 1:1 is simply non-existent for 2:2, at least when being compared to 1:1 that is. The only players that really have the knowledge to help you out simply won't, and there aren't really any good sources of replays (that I know of, if you have a good place please link me). In fact, I think that the only player that I find significantly better than my partner and I in 2:2 that would agree to answer even a couple simple fucking questions was ToT)Yosh(. I really respect him alot more because of the fact that he actually helped me out, unlike every other good 2:2 player I asked. But enough about 2:2, that's not really my concern here anyway.
2 - Stuck in the middle
I think of the B ranks as being the last barrier before becoming a good foreigner. You see, at this level, I have reached the point where I have questions that I can't find the resources for a good answer, but I'm not good enough to be around the people who can answer. What I mean is that I'm still not good enough to join a national team, or any top-tier teams (don't get me wrong, I don't see myself leaving Energy ever really, but I just wanted to make my point), nor am I good enough to be a practice partner for the good foreigners. I'm still a waste of time to play against for the people who I need the help from.
3 - Still not a league winner
The fact that I'm stuck in this ditch makes it really hard to ever "get my name out", which is what I want to do so badly. I'm not really good enough to win any notable tournaments, or get my self ranked up in the GGnet rankings (which I believe is the best way to get yourself at least known in the foreign community). Especially because of the fact that Energy was 1 fucking game shy of staying in Div2a in WGTCL, thus we dropped to Division 3 and my games don't get counted towards my GGnet ranking thing.
Just to clarify everything a little bit, I don't go to GGnet forums at all really, the only thing I ever open that site on my web browser for is to look at the rankings and showmatches. TL for life.
It's just that I have the passion to play 40 games a day, but I just don't see myself improving no matter how much I massgame. I need the knowledge just as much as the mechanics. Right now, my strategic level of play, I believe, is still in the C ranks; I find myself clueless at some of the most simple scenarios to other B players. But as far as mechanics go, I think they are well above what I need to exceed my current rank. If only I could get myself to understand more about the game, I think this barrier would be gone. The passion is certainly there; I mean I have fucking daydreams about being a progamer and shit, lol. And in all reality, I think I have the mindset required to go pro, just not the skills for it =[
So, agree or disagree? Tell me what you think about this please ^__^;
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| naventus United States. August 11 2008 05:05. Posts 1337 | Profile Blog # |
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| beetlelisk Poland. August 11 2008 05:20. Posts 2228 | Profile Blog # |
I know this would sound arrogant but have you tried noting (in bold?) that you are interested in B/A players help the most?
I remember reading somewhere here what is the difference between clans and teams, Frozen Arbiter wrote that teams are made of players from different clans and are good excuse of not playing with clan-mates only, so have you tried looking for good teams? |
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| Xeris Iran. August 11 2008 05:23. Posts 16896 | Profile Blog # |
You never asked me for help in 2v2 T_T! I think that your post is pretty spot on however, because at B ranks you essentially have all the basic info down, so it's a lot harder to improve from that point onwards.
For example if you are like D level players, it's SO easy to be able to get better really rapidly. If you are a D level player probably one or more of these is true:
- Your mechanics are really bad
- Your apm is low and/or ineffective (you can have 200 apm and not use any of it properly)
- Your build orders / game sense are very bad
Those are really easy to fix ... as compared with being B rank who already presumably understands all these basic concepts. So I'd say uh, just read KwarK's blog about reaching B+ on ICCUP, and try to do that.
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| NrG.Bamboo United States. August 11 2008 06:34. Posts 2442 | Profile Blog # |
On August 11 2008 05:23 Xeris wrote:
You never asked me for help in 2v2 T_T! I think that your post is pretty spot on however, because at B ranks you essentially have all the basic info down, so it's a lot harder to improve from that point onwards.
For example if you are like D level players, it's SO easy to be able to get better really rapidly. If you are a D level player probably one or more of these is true:
- Your mechanics are really bad
- Your apm is low and/or ineffective (you can have 200 apm and not use any of it properly)
- Your build orders / game sense are very bad
Those are really easy to fix ... as compared with being B rank who already presumably understands all these basic concepts. So I'd say uh, just read KwarK's blog about reaching B+ on ICCUP, and try to do that.
To be honest, I didn't even know you played 2:2 until we played against you. That was probably a good reason that Ian and I were raging after losing games if I remember correctly. So yeah when I get back home in two weeks I'll have a list of shit to ask lol.
On August 11 2008 05:20 beetlelisk wrote:
I know this would sound arrogant but have you tried noting (in bold?) that you are interested in B/A players help the most?
I remember reading somewhere here what is the difference between clans and teams, Frozen Arbiter wrote that teams are made of players from different clans and are good excuse of not playing with clan-mates only, so have you tried looking for good teams?
Yeah the bolding part would probably just spark people to say that I'm purely showing off or being a dick. And what exactly do you mean about the teams, I don't think I understand? You mean to find other practice partners so that I'm not always playing the same people? o_o;
EDIT: Well shit, if you're all going to vote me an idiot at least post back and tell me why, anonymous haters : ]Last edit: 2008-08-11 06:56:06 |
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| Pafnucy Poland. August 11 2008 08:04. Posts 1124 | Profile # |
can't help you skill-wise since my ceiling is at C+ but there is a slight chance that you might need something outside of SC to get better. Now you were on a few week break from it if I understood correctly thats probably a good thing. Approaching a problem with fresh mindset might be the solution. Other things that might help is interrupting your in-game management scheme. Maybe its your mechanics that are done somewhat mindlessly, while taking a lot of energy and not letting you spend your time on evaluating situation, changing gameplan etc.
Last idea, pretty general one - massgaming one matchup and certain build order. After 5298234 pvp games in a row you should be less clueless in first 48 minutes of the game ;-) Easiest way is having a practice partner(s) |
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| NrG.Bamboo United States. August 11 2008 09:04. Posts 2442 | Profile Blog # |
On August 11 2008 08:04 Pafnucy wrote:
can't help you skill-wise since my ceiling is at C+ but there is a slight chance that you might need something outside of SC to get better. Now you were on a few week break from it if I understood correctly thats probably a good thing. Approaching a problem with fresh mindset might be the solution. Other things that might help is interrupting your in-game management scheme. Maybe its your mechanics that are done somewhat mindlessly, while taking a lot of energy and not letting you spend your time on evaluating situation, changing gameplan etc.
Last idea, pretty general one - massgaming one matchup and certain build order. After 5298234 pvp games in a row you should be less clueless in first 48 minutes of the game ;-) Easiest way is having a practice partner(s)
Hm, never really thought about that possibility. I always thought that my micro/macro were top-level and it's my in-game choices and strategic errors that were costing me games. Thanks : ]
On August 11 2008 08:07 boesthius wrote:
Show nested quote +On August 11 2008 04:50 Valentine wrote:
As I'm sitting here at my grandparents house, on the dialup connection
ever since i moved back home i've been on dialup  no iccup or league games..so anytime i try to get a game with anyone it usually goes like this them: "chaos?" me: "not atm" them: "nvm" me:
Yeah, I feel really sorry for you haha. How long will you be on dialup? Hopefully it's temporary : [ |
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| boesthius United States. August 11 2008 10:49. Posts 9808 | Profile Blog # |
On August 11 2008 09:04 Valentine wrote:
Show nested quote +On August 11 2008 08:04 Pafnucy wrote:
can't help you skill-wise since my ceiling is at C+ but there is a slight chance that you might need something outside of SC to get better. Now you were on a few week break from it if I understood correctly thats probably a good thing. Approaching a problem with fresh mindset might be the solution. Other things that might help is interrupting your in-game management scheme. Maybe its your mechanics that are done somewhat mindlessly, while taking a lot of energy and not letting you spend your time on evaluating situation, changing gameplan etc.
Last idea, pretty general one - massgaming one matchup and certain build order. After 5298234 pvp games in a row you should be less clueless in first 48 minutes of the game ;-) Easiest way is having a practice partner(s)
Hm, never really thought about that possibility. I always thought that my micro/macro were top-level and it's my in-game choices and strategic errors that were costing me games. Thanks : ]
Show nested quote +On August 11 2008 08:07 boesthius wrote:
On August 11 2008 04:50 Valentine wrote:
As I'm sitting here at my grandparents house, on the dialup connection
ever since i moved back home i've been on dialup no iccup or league games..so anytime i try to get a game with anyone it usually goes like this them: "chaos?" me: "not atm" them: "nvm" me:
Yeah, I feel really sorry for you haha. How long will you be on dialup? Hopefully it's temporary : [
hopefully by the end of the month, but i'm not sure since i'm not going back to school this fall semester; but the spring semester :X. i think i'll be moving in with my friend in Sac soon, but idk
luckily i have a few friends that'll play with me via b.net, but things get dull when you play the same 5 people over and over again..especially when all of em are D/D- and only one of them is greater than a B/B+ player -_-;; |
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| Xeris Iran. August 12 2008 07:39. Posts 16896 | Profile Blog # |
I actually think my 2v2 is pretty good, like I'd feel comfortable playing with a nice ally almost any 2v2 outside of Division 1.
Also uh... fuck I was going to say something but forgot T_T. I'll edit when I thinkn of it. |
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| beetlelisk Poland. August 12 2008 08:02. Posts 2228 | Profile Blog # |
On August 11 2008 06:34 Valentine wrote:
Show nested quote +On August 11 2008 05:23 Xeris wrote:
You never asked me for help in 2v2 T_T! I think that your post is pretty spot on however, because at B ranks you essentially have all the basic info down, so it's a lot harder to improve from that point onwards.
For example if you are like D level players, it's SO easy to be able to get better really rapidly. If you are a D level player probably one or more of these is true:
- Your mechanics are really bad
- Your apm is low and/or ineffective (you can have 200 apm and not use any of it properly)
- Your build orders / game sense are very bad
Those are really easy to fix ... as compared with being B rank who already presumably understands all these basic concepts. So I'd say uh, just read KwarK's blog about reaching B+ on ICCUP, and try to do that.
To be honest, I didn't even know you played 2:2 until we played against you. That was probably a good reason that Ian and I were raging after losing games if I remember correctly. So yeah when I get back home in two weeks I'll have a list of shit to ask lol.
Show nested quote +On August 11 2008 05:20 beetlelisk wrote:
I know this would sound arrogant but have you tried noting (in bold?) that you are interested in B/A players help the most?
I remember reading somewhere here what is the difference between clans and teams, Frozen Arbiter wrote that teams are made of players from different clans and are good excuse of not playing with clan-mates only, so have you tried looking for good teams?
Yeah the bolding part would probably just spark people to say that I'm purely showing off or being a dick. And what exactly do you mean about the teams, I don't think I understand? You mean to find other practice partners so that I'm not always playing the same people? o_o;EDIT: Well shit, if you're all going to vote me an idiot at least post back and tell me why, anonymous haters : ]
Yes... I think this is what you meant in OP? |
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| NrG.Bamboo United States. August 13 2008 00:59. Posts 2442 | Profile Blog # |
On August 12 2008 08:02 beetlelisk wrote:
Show nested quote +On August 11 2008 06:34 Valentine wrote:
On August 11 2008 05:23 Xeris wrote:
You never asked me for help in 2v2 T_T! I think that your post is pretty spot on however, because at B ranks you essentially have all the basic info down, so it's a lot harder to improve from that point onwards.
For example if you are like D level players, it's SO easy to be able to get better really rapidly. If you are a D level player probably one or more of these is true:
- Your mechanics are really bad
- Your apm is low and/or ineffective (you can have 200 apm and not use any of it properly)
- Your build orders / game sense are very bad
Those are really easy to fix ... as compared with being B rank who already presumably understands all these basic concepts. So I'd say uh, just read KwarK's blog about reaching B+ on ICCUP, and try to do that.
To be honest, I didn't even know you played 2:2 until we played against you. That was probably a good reason that Ian and I were raging after losing games if I remember correctly. So yeah when I get back home in two weeks I'll have a list of shit to ask lol.
On August 11 2008 05:20 beetlelisk wrote:
I know this would sound arrogant but have you tried noting (in bold?) that you are interested in B/A players help the most?
I remember reading somewhere here what is the difference between clans and teams, Frozen Arbiter wrote that teams are made of players from different clans and are good excuse of not playing with clan-mates only, so have you tried looking for good teams?
Yeah the bolding part would probably just spark people to say that I'm purely showing off or being a dick. And what exactly do you mean about the teams, I don't think I understand? You mean to find other practice partners so that I'm not always playing the same people? o_o;EDIT: Well shit, if you're all going to vote me an idiot at least post back and tell me why, anonymous haters : ]
Yes... I think this is what you meant in OP?
Nah, what I meant was that I don't have the people who can answer the questions that I have in the game. Like if I were a D+ player, pretty much anyone could help me out on what I do wrong in certain situations etc. But I don't have the people around me (especially because nobody plays Terran!) that can really help me. Also gaming with higher level people is out of the question because I'm still a waste of time for A rank users to play and help me : [
On August 12 2008 07:39 Xeris wrote:
I actually think my 2v2 is pretty good, like I'd feel comfortable playing with a nice ally almost any 2v2 outside of Division 1.
Also uh... fuck I was going to say something but forgot T_T. I'll edit when I thinkn of it.
Yeah.. our 2:2 knowledge really consists of:
1) copy the few replays we can find
2) win it with stronger mechanicsLast edit: 2008-08-13 01:03:49 |
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| boesthius United States. August 13 2008 01:02. Posts 9808 | Profile Blog # |
On August 13 2008 00:59 Valentine wrote:
Show nested quote +On August 12 2008 08:02 beetlelisk wrote:
On August 11 2008 06:34 Valentine wrote:
On August 11 2008 05:23 Xeris wrote:
You never asked me for help in 2v2 T_T! I think that your post is pretty spot on however, because at B ranks you essentially have all the basic info down, so it's a lot harder to improve from that point onwards.
For example if you are like D level players, it's SO easy to be able to get better really rapidly. If you are a D level player probably one or more of these is true:
- Your mechanics are really bad
- Your apm is low and/or ineffective (you can have 200 apm and not use any of it properly)
- Your build orders / game sense are very bad
Those are really easy to fix ... as compared with being B rank who already presumably understands all these basic concepts. So I'd say uh, just read KwarK's blog about reaching B+ on ICCUP, and try to do that.
To be honest, I didn't even know you played 2:2 until we played against you. That was probably a good reason that Ian and I were raging after losing games if I remember correctly. So yeah when I get back home in two weeks I'll have a list of shit to ask lol.
On August 11 2008 05:20 beetlelisk wrote:
I know this would sound arrogant but have you tried noting (in bold?) that you are interested in B/A players help the most?
I remember reading somewhere here what is the difference between clans and teams, Frozen Arbiter wrote that teams are made of players from different clans and are good excuse of not playing with clan-mates only, so have you tried looking for good teams?
Yeah the bolding part would probably just spark people to say that I'm purely showing off or being a dick. And what exactly do you mean about the teams, I don't think I understand? You mean to find other practice partners so that I'm not always playing the same people? o_o;EDIT: Well shit, if you're all going to vote me an idiot at least post back and tell me why, anonymous haters : ]
Yes... I think this is what you meant in OP?
Nah, what I meant was that I don't have the people who can answer the questions that I have in the game. Like if I were a D+ player, pretty much anyone could help me out on what I do wrong in certain situations etc. But I don't have the people around me (especially because nobody plays Terran!) that can really help me. Also gaming with higher level people is out of the question because I'm still a waste of time for A rank users to play and help me : [
That's how I am with toss; all the people I play with are z and t and I suck at pvp because of it |
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| Chef August 13 2008 04:30. Posts 9766 | Profile Blog # |
| I would say take a break from playing, watch your replays, start analysing situations more carefully, think of ways you could have tricked your opponents, ways you could have had a sharper build and drop the attitude that you'd be so much better if only someone would tell you how. I think you problem is that you're playing games like a robot, and you need to start developing game sense and tactics. There should be no time you feel like you've played a truly perfect game and you're just missing out on some unknown fact no one else will tell you. If you look hard enough, you'll find it yourself. To reiterate for the like the 5th time this post: develop introspection and find out why you lost those games. |
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