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Vector Marketing: Scam?

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  Fontong   United States. May 30 2009 14:54. Posts 4805Profile Blog 
So, today my girlfriend got a job at a company called Vector Marketing. If you don't know what they do (I didn't), here is the wikipedia page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vector_Marketing
Summary:

Vector Marketing is the domestic sales arm of Alcas Corporation, the Olean, New York-based company that manufactures Cutco products.

Salespeople, many of them college students and recent high school graduates[1] market Cutco products (mainly kitchen knives) to customers, especially their friends and family members[2] via one-on-one demonstrations, and (infrequently) through fairs & shows.[3] Vector builds its force through advertising via newspapers, Craigslist, direct marketing, MySpace, Facebook, word-of-mouth, posted advertisements, unsolicited mass text messages, and letters sent to students and recent graduates. Their fliers advertising "student work" are a common sight on many college campuses in the United States and Canada.


She was quite excited to get this job for the summer, since it pays about 16 dollars per 'appointment'. Apparently her job is to interview customers about their needs in order to sell them the correct product, which is what an 'appointment' consists of. Things were looking good, that is, until a mutual friend of ours sent us this site: http://www.spamlaws.com/vector-marketing-scam
+ Show Spoiler [what it says] +


A quick google turns up many hits for 'vector marketing scam' Naturally, this has her worried. After sifting through the information provided us by the internet, we really couldn't decide what to believe. There were some positive testimonies mixed in as well.

I am coming to you, teamliquid, for help. If you have had experience with Vector Marketing please tell us about it. Thanks!

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  Draconizard   United States. May 30 2009 14:56. Posts 227Profile 
I've heard of them before and went to one of their presentations. Once I realized I was basically being asked to be a door-to-door knife salesmen, I walked out.
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  mahnini   United States. May 30 2009 14:57. Posts 4383Profile Blog 
then send out invitations to join them via mail en masse, that alone should tell you something about the company.
the world's a playground. you know that when you're a kid but somewhere along the line everyone forgets it.
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  leMaj24   United States. May 30 2009 14:59. Posts 236Profile Blog 
lol i got one of those things in the mail, i felt special until i saw this thread.
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  rgfdxm   United States. May 30 2009 15:00. Posts 162Profile 
I don't really know much about them but I was under the impression they're shady. My sister was going to interview with them last year and I talked her out of it.
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  Chef   Canada. May 30 2009 15:03. Posts 4712Profile Blog 
It's an obvious scam. Seriously, use your head.
Even though you go to the other world, please don't blame me... (don't)
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  datscilly   United States. May 30 2009 15:06. Posts 297Profile Blog 
Got a letter from them as well. It was full of jargon and it was not clear on what they were hiring for/selling. l already heard they sell knives door to door so I didn't take a second look.
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  Solinren   United States. May 30 2009 15:08. Posts 2255Profile Blog 
A few people from my high school did this over the summer. You're a fucking salesman and the product is shit and you will end up selling it only to people you know because they feel bad. In the end you'll wish you were working at McDonalds

edit : I didn't read the spoilers or wiki.
Last edit: 2009-05-30 15:10:02
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  xmShake   United States. May 30 2009 15:09. Posts 685Profile Blog 
I got one too, threw it away after realizing it was some broad, sent in mass vague letter from some marketing company that probably sucks and uses naive students.

Don't bother with them.
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  Chef   Canada. May 30 2009 15:14. Posts 4712Profile Blog 
Here's a brief summary of why anyone who does this is not thinking clearly:

You're buying really expensive low quality knives. So that you can sell them. And then you're giving 90% of the profits back to who you bought them from.

Why not buy your knives without a contract and resell them yourself? Get a bunch of cheap knives about the same quality, and mark them up a huge amount and try selling them. Except that won't work because now no one feels bad for you since you're just trying to rip people off (what Vector is doing).
Even though you go to the other world, please don't blame me... (don't)
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  mikeymoo   Canada. May 30 2009 15:16. Posts 5880Profile Blog 
I did this last summer.
The pay is fine, and I still use the product now lol (best fucking knives ever). The managers can be pushy, but it's okay.
Sounds very scammy/pyramid scheme like/false, but I'll assure you that it's legitimate.
However, be forewarned that the pay isn't as consistent as they like to convince you it is.
Also, if you're Asian, GOOD LUCK because it's way too difficult to sell to bother.
Everyone who speaks basic English and applies gets the job. In the end, don't take any shit from anyone, and you'll be fine.
Tell your girlfriend to continue searching for a job, but hey, I met people my age at divisional meetings that did fairly well selling it, it's just a matter of who you know initially to get your feet wet. PM me if you want to know anything else, because I have a lot to say on the matter, having worked for Vector for around 3 months over last summer.
EDIT: lol shit I'm going to get flamed so hard for this. Bracing myself.
Last edit: 2009-05-30 15:17:34
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  Bockit   Australia. May 30 2009 15:17. Posts 2079Profile Blog 
There was a thread about this a couple of years ago, I doubt much has changed. Try reading through some of the experiences here.
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  Vivi57   United States. May 30 2009 15:18. Posts 2476Profile Blog 
my friend was going to do this, but we eventually talked him out of it (after he went to the first interview)

you have to provide your own transportation, and really, after counting travel time and the fact that you're only working for an hour at a time and gas money and stuff, you'll be making less than minimum wage.

me and my friends ended up deciding it wasn't an outright scam, more of a way to circumvent minimum wage (unpaid training, etc)
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  Urth   United States. May 30 2009 15:25. Posts 277Profile Blog 
wow, I got an ad for this in the mail, but ignored it when i found out wut id be doing. Then a while ago my friend found a job, and I asked him where. And I literally just found out it was vector before seeing this thread lol
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  artofmagic   United States. May 30 2009 15:27. Posts 1861Profile Blog 
scam or not.. this job is NOT WORTH DOING. there's no way you can sell their knives to enough people to make a profit/living. one of my friend did this and was only able to successfully sell it to one person, his older brother.

just think about it.. who will buy knives from a stranger? and cmon.. how many friends and family members are in need of new knives(that costs $50+)?
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  mikeymoo   Canada. May 30 2009 15:33. Posts 5880Profile Blog 
I sold roughly $10-12k in 2-3 months last year. And I was improving as I went. Your friend may not be a good salesman, that's all. As to whether people buy the product, or what would motivate them to buy, realize that nobody is parting with their money out of pity, as I told them straight up that I'm paid just to be there. Hell, some people still call me back to say that they need some more products from me.
This job is not for everyone.
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  Carnivorous Sheep   China. May 30 2009 15:34. Posts 2959Profile Blog 
Don't do it, simple as that.
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  Shivaz   Canada. May 30 2009 15:36. Posts 607Profile Blog 

On May 30 2009 15:33 mikeymoo wrote:
I sold roughly $10-12k in 2-3 months last year. And I was improving as I went. Your friend may not be a good salesman, that's all. As to whether people buy the product, or what would motivate them to buy, realize that nobody is parting with their money out of pity, as I told them straight up that I'm paid just to be there. Hell, some people still call me back to say that they need some more products from me.
This job is not for everyone.


I think you can do better selling other products if you can sell knives this well by just going person to person lol
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  Gliche   United States. May 30 2009 15:40. Posts 523Profile Blog 
It's sounds basically like a pyramid scheme with nice presentation. I've seen some of these companies that circulate through college and high school campuses. Interview process was pretty easy right? Tell your friend to find an actual job. This is going to be a waste of time and dignity.


On May 30 2009 15:36 Shivaz wrote:

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I think you can do better selling other products if you can sell knives this well by just going person to person lol

Exactly this. For the same amount of effort, time, and money from your own pocket, you could be shooting up the ranks at an actual company where your future is worth something.
Last edit: 2009-05-30 15:42:57
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  T.O.P.   Hong Kong. May 30 2009 15:52. Posts 1109Profile 
I just know that I have Cutco knives at home because my cousin did this a long time ago. My parents couldn't refuse buying it.
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