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 Liquid`Jinro Sweden. June 30 2009 02:50. Posts 32587 | Profile Blog # |
I'm gonna copy paste what I replied in the Dustin interview topic:
On June 30 2009 02:24 omninmo wrote:
the shit he talks about towards the end...
"then we try to find ways to get people in and make it safe for them. we talked about doing a casual league that runs at a normal game speed... not a faster game speed, with maps designed to prevent rushing so you get a chance get in and figure out what's going on".
they should call this the CHOBO League.
why cant they just make the damn game? SC has an amazing community. we can run our our leagues. we dont want your fucking battle.net mediocrity man. just make the software. we will buy it and let us run with it. don't try to integrate yourselves into every aspect of the game. just make it and we will be thankful.
Dude, this is such a fantastic feature, I don't know why you are complaining lol. So many people are like "Wow pro SC looks cool, but man, everyone is so fucking good on BNet, it's tough to get started".
This is basically perfect.Last edit: 2009-06-30 02:51:24 |
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| geegee1 United States. June 30 2009 02:58. Posts 618 | Profile Blog # |
| But really its truth Blizzard wants to get involve now since its so big in korea. they never really got involved and they should just stick to making the game. i feel their being greedy and wants to run starcraft now. other of their games came out eariler and faster because their not big. |
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| Husky United States. June 30 2009 03:06. Posts 3361 | Profile Blog # |
The only thing I'm worried about is the no LAN feature honestly.
So I made a video and uploaded it to youtube.
Its my way of STICKIN IT TO THE MAN!
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 Chill Canada. June 30 2009 03:12. Posts 25253 | Profile Blog # | |
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 omninmo June 30 2009 03:15. Posts 2349 | Profile Blog # |
On June 30 2009 03:12 Chill wrote:
what is this?
hey chill. i watched your stream today.
This is a note i wrote to The Activlizard. Last edit: 2009-06-30 03:16:36 |
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| Husky United States. June 30 2009 03:21. Posts 3361 | Profile Blog # |
On June 30 2009 02:58 geegee1 wrote:
But really its truth Blizzard wants to get involve now since its so big in korea. they never really got involved and they should just stick to making the game. i feel their being greedy and wants to run starcraft now. other of their games came out eariler and faster because their not big.
uhhh what? Everything you said is so far off that it boggles my mind.
First off, Blizzard doesnt want to get involved in e-sports just because of Korea. Blizzard got involved in WoW before even backing GOM, or any Starleague for that matter. They supported WoW tournaments and e-sports in that regard long before Starcraft.
Second, they most certainly should get involved. As long as they arent total d-bags about how they're running it. Having the backing of one of the most popular names in gaming is a good thing. It is their dollars that will spread e-sports around the world IMO.
Third, none of their games have EVER been rushed. What game are you thinking about that came out faster? IIRC Warcraft 3 was postponed like 5 years or something, which is way longer than SC2. WoW was revolutionary in its own right when it came out (just look how popular it became). Diablo 3 isnt being rushed, Diablo 2 was practically finished when it came out... the original Starcraft was a very solid game upon release and was very well received. I'm running out of Blizzard titles... which ones were rushed?
Fourth, all of Blizzards games are huge successes upon release, even WC3 was a 'smash hit' for a respectable amount of time.
edit: grammarLast edit: 2009-06-30 03:26:16 |
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| omninmo June 30 2009 03:29. Posts 2349 | Profile Blog # |
On June 30 2009 03:21 HuskyTheHusky wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 30 2009 02:58 geegee1 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +But really its truth Blizzard wants to get involve now since its so big in korea. they never really got involved and they should just stick to making the game. i feel their being greedy and wants to run starcraft now. other of their games came out eariler and faster because their not big.
uhhh what? Everything you said is so far off that it boggles my mind. [spoiler]First off, Blizzard doesnt want to get involved in E-Sports just because of Korea. Blizzard got involved in WoW before even backing GOM, or any Starleague for that matter. They supported WoW tournaments and e-sports in that regard long before Starcraft. Second, they most certainly should get involved. As long as they arent total D-Bags about how they're running it having the backing of one of the most popular names in gaming is a good thing. It is their dollars that will spread E-Sports around the world IMO. Third, none of their games have EVER been rushed. What game are you thinking about that came out faster? IIRC Warcraft 3 was postponed like 5 years or something, which is way longer than SC2. WoW was revolutionary in its own right when it came out (just look how popular it became). Diablo 3 isnt being rushed, Diablo 2 was practically finished when it came out... the original Starcraft was a very solid game upon release and was very well received. I'm running out of Blizzard titles... which ones were rushed? Fourth, all of Blizzards games are huge successes upon release, even WC3 was a 'smash hit' for a respectable amount of time.
thanks for the input husky but actually you could say the whole raison d'etre of sc2 was to make hundreds of millions in the korean market. Korean esportz generates more $$$ than 100 times the rest of the world's esportz combined. The Activlizzard will make back its investment and much, much more when it takes control of korea's sc2 scene. To do this they needed a new title to wrestle control from The Kespa. If they can "spread sc2 around the world" then it will just be icing on the cake. Also, they are total D-bags about how they are running it, e.g. removing LAN support.
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| Eury Sweden. June 30 2009 03:43. Posts 1036 | Profile # |
On June 30 2009 03:29 omninmo wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 30 2009 03:21 HuskyTheHusky wrote:
On June 30 2009 02:58 geegee1 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +But really its truth Blizzard wants to get involve now since its so big in korea. they never really got involved and they should just stick to making the game. i feel their being greedy and wants to run starcraft now. other of their games came out eariler and faster because their not big.
uhhh what? Everything you said is so far off that it boggles my mind. [spoiler]First off, Blizzard doesnt want to get involved in E-Sports just because of Korea. Blizzard got involved in WoW before even backing GOM, or any Starleague for that matter. They supported WoW tournaments and e-sports in that regard long before Starcraft. Second, they most certainly should get involved. As long as they arent total D-Bags about how they're running it having the backing of one of the most popular names in gaming is a good thing. It is their dollars that will spread E-Sports around the world IMO. Third, none of their games have EVER been rushed. What game are you thinking about that came out faster? IIRC Warcraft 3 was postponed like 5 years or something, which is way longer than SC2. WoW was revolutionary in its own right when it came out (just look how popular it became). Diablo 3 isnt being rushed, Diablo 2 was practically finished when it came out... the original Starcraft was a very solid game upon release and was very well received. I'm running out of Blizzard titles... which ones were rushed? Fourth, all of Blizzards games are huge successes upon release, even WC3 was a 'smash hit' for a respectable amount of time.
thanks for the input husky but actually you could say the whole raison d'etre of sc2 was to make hundreds of millions in the korean market. Korean esportz generates more $$$ than 100 times the rest of the world's esportz combined. The Activlizzard will make back its investment and much, much more when it takes control of korea's sc2 scene. To do this they needed a new title to wrestle control from The Kespa. If they can "spread sc2 around the world" then it will just be icing on the cake. Also, they are total D-bags about how they are running it, e.g. removing LAN support.
You got a pretty grim outlook on the future of E-sports if you think that the Korean scene is 100 times larger than the rest of world combined, and will remain so for the rest of the eternity.
Blizzard want to expand E-sports way beyond the borders of Korea, and it is likely that China will bypass Korea in E-sports rather sooner than later.
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| HeavOnEarth United States. June 30 2009 04:01. Posts 6627 | Profile Blog # |
hey at least he's kind of making... sense now? brought up LAN
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 NonY June 30 2009 04:19. Posts 6923 | Profile Blog # |
On June 30 2009 03:29 omninmo wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 30 2009 03:21 HuskyTheHusky wrote:
On June 30 2009 02:58 geegee1 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +But really its truth Blizzard wants to get involve now since its so big in korea. they never really got involved and they should just stick to making the game. i feel their being greedy and wants to run starcraft now. other of their games came out eariler and faster because their not big.
uhhh what? Everything you said is so far off that it boggles my mind. [spoiler]First off, Blizzard doesnt want to get involved in E-Sports just because of Korea. Blizzard got involved in WoW before even backing GOM, or any Starleague for that matter. They supported WoW tournaments and e-sports in that regard long before Starcraft. Second, they most certainly should get involved. As long as they arent total D-Bags about how they're running it having the backing of one of the most popular names in gaming is a good thing. It is their dollars that will spread E-Sports around the world IMO. Third, none of their games have EVER been rushed. What game are you thinking about that came out faster? IIRC Warcraft 3 was postponed like 5 years or something, which is way longer than SC2. WoW was revolutionary in its own right when it came out (just look how popular it became). Diablo 3 isnt being rushed, Diablo 2 was practically finished when it came out... the original Starcraft was a very solid game upon release and was very well received. I'm running out of Blizzard titles... which ones were rushed? Fourth, all of Blizzards games are huge successes upon release, even WC3 was a 'smash hit' for a respectable amount of time.
thanks for the input husky but actually you could say the whole raison d'etre of sc2 was to make hundreds of millions in the korean market. Korean esportz generates more $$$ than 100 times the rest of the world's esportz combined. The Activlizzard will make back its investment and much, much more when it takes control of korea's sc2 scene. To do this they needed a new title to wrestle control from The Kespa. If they can "spread sc2 around the world" then it will just be icing on the cake. Also, they are total D-bags about how they are running it, e.g. removing LAN support.
Hundreds of millions hahaha. There isn't that much money in Korean eSports. It's the best scene, but it's not overflowing with money. OSL and MSL aren't flooded with sponsorship offers. They've had some troubles sometimes. You think MBC and OGN see huge profits from their leagues? You think KeSPA is banking it all? No, I don't think so. They get by, and that is a huge accomplishment, but they aren't hording cash that Blizzard is hoping to pounce on. What Blizzard is probably interested in is making copies of the Korean scene in Europe and America (China is taking care of itself, beastly eSports scene that it is :D).
Blizzard doesn't need a new title to take control away from KeSPA. They have the rights to SC:BW and can demand whatever they want from KeSPA. Of course, they can't make impossible demands or it'll just die. And they can't run it themselves because they have no means of doing so.
Removing LAN support wouldn't affect eSports. All major tournaments have internet access or could get internet access and play through B.net.
And you are talking about Korea's SC2 scene as if you already know it's going to be a huge success. Contracts exist, for both players and leagues, that extend through 2010 for SC:BW. The scene is going to be split up. If there isn't a significant amount of new interest for SC2, there will be difficulties. It's pretty safe to say that SC:BW games will be more entertaining than SC2 games for quite a while after SC2 is released.
eSports has been hit pretty hard by the global economy sucking. Hordes of money don't exist anywhere. You should be thankful that Blizzard is willing to invest into eSports at a time when so many others have pulled out. Blizzard's proactive stance on SC2's eSports might be the only thing that makes it work.Last edit: 2009-06-30 04:20:37 |
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| StorrZerg United States. June 30 2009 04:39. Posts 8998 | Profile Blog # |
On June 30 2009 03:12 Chill wrote:
what is this?
yeah i'm confused by this as well |
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| Day[9] United States. June 30 2009 04:54. Posts 7347 | Profile Blog # |
hmmmm omninmo,
you should change your OP to state clearly that you are presenting your personal opinion. as one of the oldest active members of the starcraft community, i completely disagree with your opinion and would greatly appreciate if you didn't attempt to act as the entire SC community's representative.
as far as i'm concerned, the more blizzard the better |
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| ghostWriter United States. June 30 2009 05:10. Posts 3302 | Profile Blog # |
On June 30 2009 02:50 FrozenArbiter wrote:I'm gonna copy paste what I replied in the Dustin interview topic:
Show nested quote +On June 30 2009 02:24 omninmo wrote:
the shit he talks about towards the end...
"then we try to find ways to get people in and make it safe for them. we talked about doing a casual league that runs at a normal game speed... not a faster game speed, with maps designed to prevent rushing so you get a chance get in and figure out what's going on".
they should call this the CHOBO League.
why cant they just make the damn game? SC has an amazing community. we can run our our leagues. we dont want your fucking battle.net mediocrity man. just make the software. we will buy it and let us run with it. don't try to integrate yourselves into every aspect of the game. just make it and we will be thankful.
Dude, this is such a fantastic feature, I don't know why you are complaining lol. So many people are like "Wow pro SC looks cool, but man, everyone is so fucking good on BNet, it's tough to get started". This is basically perfect.
Yeah really, the learning curve is really steep and it's tough to get started as a noob without a mentor who is willing to guide you. It takes a long time to get decent and there are tons of people stuck in the D ranks and get crushed anytime they try to get higher. |
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| Judicator United States. June 30 2009 05:11. Posts 5726 | Profile Blog # |
On June 30 2009 03:29 omninmo wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 30 2009 03:21 HuskyTheHusky wrote:
On June 30 2009 02:58 geegee1 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +But really its truth Blizzard wants to get involve now since its so big in korea. they never really got involved and they should just stick to making the game. i feel their being greedy and wants to run starcraft now. other of their games came out eariler and faster because their not big.
uhhh what? Everything you said is so far off that it boggles my mind. [spoiler]First off, Blizzard doesnt want to get involved in E-Sports just because of Korea. Blizzard got involved in WoW before even backing GOM, or any Starleague for that matter. They supported WoW tournaments and e-sports in that regard long before Starcraft. Second, they most certainly should get involved. As long as they arent total D-Bags about how they're running it having the backing of one of the most popular names in gaming is a good thing. It is their dollars that will spread E-Sports around the world IMO. Third, none of their games have EVER been rushed. What game are you thinking about that came out faster? IIRC Warcraft 3 was postponed like 5 years or something, which is way longer than SC2. WoW was revolutionary in its own right when it came out (just look how popular it became). Diablo 3 isnt being rushed, Diablo 2 was practically finished when it came out... the original Starcraft was a very solid game upon release and was very well received. I'm running out of Blizzard titles... which ones were rushed? Fourth, all of Blizzards games are huge successes upon release, even WC3 was a 'smash hit' for a respectable amount of time.
thanks for the input husky but actually you could say the whole raison d'etre of sc2 was to make hundreds of millions in the korean market. Korean esportz generates more $$$ than 100 times the rest of the world's esportz combined. The Activlizzard will make back its investment and much, much more when it takes control of korea's sc2 scene. To do this they needed a new title to wrestle control from The Kespa. If they can "spread sc2 around the world" then it will just be icing on the cake. Also, they are total D-bags about how they are running it, e.g. removing LAN support.
...Because WoW's 12+ million subscribers world wide aren't providing enough money for them.
My guess for why LAN support was removed is mainly because of the alternatives to B.net, namely Garena, with about ~250k users online at any given time for Warcraft 3 TFT (namely DotA), its pretty significant since you don't need a legitimate copy or cd key for the game to work online with a very very large community.Last edit: 2009-06-30 05:16:19 |
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| Chuiu June 30 2009 06:56. Posts 3470 | Profile Blog # |
On June 30 2009 04:19 Liquid`NonY wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 30 2009 03:29 omninmo wrote:
On June 30 2009 03:21 HuskyTheHusky wrote:
On June 30 2009 02:58 geegee1 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +But really its truth Blizzard wants to get involve now since its so big in korea. they never really got involved and they should just stick to making the game. i feel their being greedy and wants to run starcraft now. other of their games came out eariler and faster because their not big.
uhhh what? Everything you said is so far off that it boggles my mind. [spoiler]First off, Blizzard doesnt want to get involved in E-Sports just because of Korea. Blizzard got involved in WoW before even backing GOM, or any Starleague for that matter. They supported WoW tournaments and e-sports in that regard long before Starcraft. Second, they most certainly should get involved. As long as they arent total D-Bags about how they're running it having the backing of one of the most popular names in gaming is a good thing. It is their dollars that will spread E-Sports around the world IMO. Third, none of their games have EVER been rushed. What game are you thinking about that came out faster? IIRC Warcraft 3 was postponed like 5 years or something, which is way longer than SC2. WoW was revolutionary in its own right when it came out (just look how popular it became). Diablo 3 isnt being rushed, Diablo 2 was practically finished when it came out... the original Starcraft was a very solid game upon release and was very well received. I'm running out of Blizzard titles... which ones were rushed? Fourth, all of Blizzards games are huge successes upon release, even WC3 was a 'smash hit' for a respectable amount of time.
thanks for the input husky but actually you could say the whole raison d'etre of sc2 was to make hundreds of millions in the korean market. Korean esportz generates more $$$ than 100 times the rest of the world's esportz combined. The Activlizzard will make back its investment and much, much more when it takes control of korea's sc2 scene. To do this they needed a new title to wrestle control from The Kespa. If they can "spread sc2 around the world" then it will just be icing on the cake. Also, they are total D-bags about how they are running it, e.g. removing LAN support.
Hundreds of millions hahaha. There isn't that much money in Korean eSports. It's the best scene, but it's not overflowing with money. OSL and MSL aren't flooded with sponsorship offers. They've had some troubles sometimes. You think MBC and OGN see huge profits from their leagues? You think KeSPA is banking it all? No, I don't think so. They get by, and that is a huge accomplishment, but they aren't hording cash that Blizzard is hoping to pounce on. What Blizzard is probably interested in is making copies of the Korean scene in Europe and America (China is taking care of itself, beastly eSports scene that it is :D).
Do they ever release anything like 'Starcraft Best Games of Season XX' dvd set? Does any company? I think there would be a pretty good market for this especially if they sub it in other languages and make it available abroad. There are tons of videos on youtube but most of that is low resolution and low quality - that and you can't play them on a dvd/bluray player unless you do some work of your own.Last edit: 2009-06-30 06:56:50 |
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 Zelniq United States. June 30 2009 07:16. Posts 6940 | Profile Blog # |
It offends me to see you keep saying "We" in your opening post when it's really just you who's saying that.
Don't speak for others just speak for yourself please, please change it because I, along with others clearly disagree with you strongly.
I don't think you have the knowledge to be passing judgment like this on Blizzard either, you seem fairly ignorant of their company.. and stop calling them Activlizzard.. Blizzard is still Blizzard.Last edit: 2009-06-30 07:17:53 |
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| CharlieMurphy United States. June 30 2009 07:25. Posts 22893 | Profile Blog # |
I'm surprised at all the people defending blizzard here, especially the mods. There must be something they all know that we don't. Because taking out LAN is fucking retarded. And they seem to be doing it so they can be the proprietor of any events since LAN is not possible.
Even if they just have some kind of register at first or connect to bnet thing and then you can lan- that is pretty dumb. It just adds one more hassle to playing a friend. Last edit: 2009-06-30 07:28:26 |
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| HeavOnEarth United States. June 30 2009 08:10. Posts 6627 | Profile Blog # |
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