 Aqo[il] Israel. July 13 2009 17:39. Posts 129 | Profile Blog |
Some people play to win, some people play for fun. I always want to consider myself as one of the latter, and I believe some playstyles are more fun than others.
What's fun? For me, trying to win is fun. The winning part itself isn't as important. If I tried my best to win and lost, I still had fun that game.
My favorite mu is ZvZ. I hosted a game on Bluestorm, and a player joins, instantly picks T. But then he switches to Z, and tells me he's Z. So he's a racepicker, and he prefers ZvZ over TvZ. Awesome, I like this guy already. <3
We played a 6 minute long ZvZ (5:50 or so) and I have to say that I had about 4x more fun this game as I would've had in a 30min long passive macroish ZvT mech. Obviously T can go bunker->vult->2port->bio->drops&BC and it's way more fun, but nevertheless, it's cool to see that some people play out different than others (how many ZvZ racepickers do you know? usually it's the other way around lol).
Yeah that's it. Shitty blog heh. Just wanted to rant about all the passive players I've been seeing lately who rely solely on mechanic ability to win games. If you beat me by doing drop play, abusing attack timings to maximum efficiency, nice micro control of your units, that's totally cool and I'd love to play you more.
But if you try to win just by macroing harder...
...why do you play this game?Last edit: 2009-07-13 17:42:49
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 theobsessed1 United States. July 13 2009 17:42. Posts 452 | Profile Blog |
It's not really just one or the other anymore, like oldschool micro vs nowadays macro. SC has developed enough that players require a good composition of both to win. Of course creative micro-oriented plays are indeed more fun, but winning is more fun than losing in general.
Idk what you mean by TvZ being a passive macro game because as far as I know, TvZ is one of the most exciting, micro-oriented matchups (at least for T). TvT on the other hand can get kind of passive and boring, but the recent article on XellOs's influence in TvT changed my perspective as well. |
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 BanZu United States. July 13 2009 17:44. Posts 2679 | Profile Blog |
On July 13 2009 17:39 Aqo[il] wrote:
But if you try to win just by macroing harder...
...why do you play this game?
Isn't that sort of hypocritical? I'm assuming you want others to appreciate that you love micro-intensive, low-eco games yet you can't accept that some would rather play epic macro games?
I happen to be quite the opposite of you. I generally dislike it when people play cheesy or use different tactics. Although I really, really enjoy watching it, I don't like being the "victim" of it.Last edit: 2009-07-13 17:44:59 |
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| Aqo[il] Israel. July 13 2009 17:44. Posts 129 | Profile Blog |
I did not imply macro is not fun and micro is fun. It's a common misconception. I don't think more micro makes a game more fun.
What I consider fun is the decision making part of the game. I also mentioned specifically the mech style that some people use lately, where you just crawl out slowly with goliath/tank. From the Z side, you don't need to make a lot of decisions against this, you basically time your expansions and drones and that's it. It's not -fun-.
Look in the replays section for Mio TvP. He didn't have the best micro ever, like at some moments he had great micro and in others he lost units in really non cost-efficient battles. Yet the entire gamestyle was very fun. He was constantly in his opponent's face, constantly forcing them to be aware of everything on the entire map. This is way more fun than just focusing on one thing that basically comes down to -do X to counter Y- which stems from other sorts of gamestyles.
In ZvZ, you have to make decisions all the time. Even making a drone or 2 lings can be a game deciding factor. That's why I consider it fun. ;pLast edit: 2009-07-13 17:50:34 |
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 ffswowsucks Greece. July 13 2009 17:52. Posts 810 | Profile Blog |
I like playing ZvZ too. whats ur rank? go 1v1 zvz?  |
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| Aqo[il] Israel. July 13 2009 17:54. Posts 129 | Profile Blog |
| I'm only C ;-; come to op swbk Last edit: 2009-07-13 17:55:02 |
| | Zerg is easy, but Protoss is easier. Zerg is overpowered, but Terran is more powerful. Zerg is cool-looking. Nothing beats that... well except Reavers |
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| ffswowsucks Greece. July 13 2009 18:01. Posts 810 | Profile Blog | |
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 Clasic Bosnia-Herzegovina. July 13 2009 18:04. Posts 1437 | Profile Blog |
| ZvZ gogog host resp asap imo |
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 Rostam United States. July 13 2009 18:13. Posts 1642 | Profile Blog |
| Some people enjoy a different playstyle than you, they can still be playing the game for fun. |
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 meRz Sweden. July 13 2009 18:19. Posts 1909 | Profile Blog | |
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 zzzzsleepyhead United States. July 13 2009 18:30. Posts 61 | Profile |
Wierd, am I the only one who finds macro to be really fun?? I love to macro harder to have a bigger army!! Sauron zerg is so satisfying for me  .Last edit: 2009-07-13 18:35:15 |
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| jello24 Canada. July 13 2009 18:31. Posts 292 | Profile |
i play the game for the love of COMPSTOMPING!!!
against humans, however, is not very fun for me... unless against my buddies which make trashtalking extremely fun  |
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 Boblion Andorra. July 13 2009 19:17. Posts 3570 | Profile Blog |
Fun = playing one gate or two gates PvZ 
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| d3_crescentia United States. July 13 2009 19:19. Posts 501 | Profile Blog |
| If I was any good at T, I would TvT in a heartbeat. It's just too damn fun. |
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 FaCE_1 Canada. July 13 2009 19:40. Posts 2472 | Profile Blog |
On July 13 2009 19:19 d3_crescentia wrote:
If I was any good at T, I would TvT in a heartbeat. It's just too damn fun.
Agree, TvT is the matchup I have the more fun to play. |
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 Nytefish United Kingdom. July 13 2009 19:48. Posts 1839 | Profile Blog |
| I always play for fun. It's fun to improve. So sometimes I play standard, decision-less, out muscle your opponent, macro games. |
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| Severedevil United States. July 13 2009 19:57. Posts 427 | Profile |
On July 13 2009 19:17 Boblion wrote:Fun = playing one gate or two gates PvZ
Absolutely. Several minutes of intense Zealot/Probe vs. Zergling/Sunken >> memorizing simcity and trying to sneak a probe around so you don't get all-in'd. |
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| Ilikestarcraft United States. July 13 2009 20:04. Posts 11493 | Profile |
| because these people are trying to improve their mechanics Last edit: 2009-07-13 20:31:20 |
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| mcgriddle United States. July 13 2009 20:25. Posts 114 | Profile |
sad to say- I play to win
I watch vods for fun... playing makes me want to choke a hobo. |
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| Ilikestarcraft United States. July 13 2009 20:31. Posts 11493 | Profile |
On July 13 2009 20:25 mcgriddle wrote:
sad to say- I play to win
I watch vods for fun... playing makes me want to choke a hobo.
whats so bad about playing to win
winning is fun so isnt this playing for fun? |
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