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Notebook Review - Lenovo Thinkpad T500

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  haduken   China. July 25 2009 23:00. Posts 5018Profile Blog 
Hey people. I've noticed that alot of people are posting threads asking help on chosing a notebook/laptop and I thought it would be a great idea to share with you some information and thoughts on a notebook that I've just bought.

Here it is! The Lenovo Thinkpad T500.

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The box.

Lenovo is the company that acquired IBM's PC/Notebook business. I think most people are aware of this now. Thinkpads are sold now with Lenovo's badge/logo on them.

Thinkpads generally come in 3 different series. The R, T and X. There is also the new SL and Lenovo's own Ideapad but I won't include them because they are very different to the original Thinkpad design. Lenovo also makes a W series as a premium/high end workstation laptop but they priced it out of the market.

My T500 is a 15.4 inch lappie and the latest in the T series Thinkpads. I perfer the T because it is more slim-lined compare to the R and generally come with more warranty. X series are portable laptops meaning they have smaller screens and also cost a lot more. T therefore is the balance that I was looking for.

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Still in plastic wrapping

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Cables, Battery, and driver CDs

I've recieved a smart-chip 6 cell battery with my laptop. According to google, The battery have build in chip to manage charge/release cycles. I don't really know what this means but it could only be good because batteries degrade overtime.

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The cover.

Thinkpads have anti-scratch cover. I personally would never buy a notebook with a glossy cover. They look pretty but will be annoying after a while. Not to mention the fact that they reflect light and smudges.

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Matt screen

This type of screen is pretty much standard on all workstation/business laptops. Reason being that they don't reflect.

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IMO Thinkpads have the best laptop keyboard ever. The keys are spaced well and also have nice feedback from pressing. Lenovo also discontinued IBM's practice of not including a mod4 key (windows key) on their keyboard. I personally perfer them not to label the new key with a Windows icon but what the hell. Some people haave complained that the new T500 lappies have a flex problem; I personally do not experience this problem.

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By default, It is pre-loaded with Windows Vista 32 bit. My machine also came with Windows XP 32 bit downgrade disks. I don't really care as I plan to install Ubuntu on it very soon.

I should mention here that Thinkpads have traditionally enjoyed great support amongst Linux developers; unfortunately T500 and T400 still have a few issues that needs to addressed by Linux.



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Yet another pic.

An interesting feature of T500 and It's smaller cousin T400 is that they come with switchable grahic. What this means is that you can switch from dedicated ATI HD 3650 to the integrated intel graphics to extend your battery life. This is no doubt a great feature but it is only useable on Vista. In XP or Linux, you have to manually set the graphic card in BIOS or the OS will just use whichever is detected first on the bus.

-- Writting this blog is actually taking longer than I expected. I will update this tomorrow with more pic and feature reviews.
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  Kuja900   United States. July 25 2009 23:10. Posts 2506Profile Blog 
I was expecting:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Notebook_(film)

Caught me off guard lol.
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  haduken   China. July 25 2009 23:14. Posts 5018Profile Blog 
Maybe I should rename the title to laptop review or something. Is the term notebook not really used in US?
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  madnessman   Japan. July 25 2009 23:20. Posts 471Profile Blog 
my father works in IBM so i've been on thinkpads my entire life. they are great computers. they get the job done and they last forever. i'm actually typing this on an IBM t30 since my main computer broke. the thing is i just don't like the design. how hard can it be to make a laptop less boxy? our laptops look almost identical even though yours is the t500 and mine is the t30. that being said... performance>looks.

congrats on your purchase. make sure you uninstall the bloatware that comes on lenovo computers (that annoying game app which comes with RUNESCAPE HD!!!!)
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  haduken   China. July 25 2009 23:42. Posts 5018Profile Blog 
I think IBM's lunchbox design is genius. It is so great in fact that they do not have to change it to compete in the ever changing market.

But I admit you either love or loath the boxy design. I see it as part of the Thinkpad experience. If they ever changed it, it would be a real turn off for Thinkpad die-hards.
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  GoSu   Korea (South). July 25 2009 23:46. Posts 1737Profile Blog 

On July 25 2009 23:14 haduken wrote:
Maybe I should rename the title to laptop review or something. Is the term notebook not really used in US?


Honnestly, I hear lot of people who say "notebook", just my opinion. Anyway, good notebook!
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  GTR   . July 25 2009 23:55. Posts 22425Profile Blog 
er, how much are they?
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  PoP-sicle   Canada. July 26 2009 00:00. Posts 350Profile 
have fun removing all the craps lenovo preinstall on their laptops ahah ^^;
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  kemoryan   July 26 2009 00:05. Posts 1322Profile Blog 
Nice, thanks for the review! I'm actually waiting for my T400 to get shipped, can't wait to test it out!

GTR: It really depends on the specs. My T400 cost 750$ from Lenovo's outlet and came with 3gb RAM, switchable graphics, 320gb HD, WXGA+ res screen with CCFL backlit and a P8400 processor (2.26 Ghz C2D). Great deal given the quality of these notebooks.
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  GreEny K   Germany. July 26 2009 00:22. Posts 787Profile 
That is a great laptop, in the Law firm that I work in (as an IT guy) I see this machine get abused by the biggest assholes in existence who have no idea how to treat a machine mainly because it isnt coming out of their pocket. Its a durable machine and can do pretty much anything you need it to. There was one lawyer however that requested a special order, this was an AMAZING machine and ill post link once i find it.

EDIT:

http://shop.lenovo.com/SEUILibrary/controller/e/web/LenovoPortal/en_US/catalog.workflow:category.details?current-catalog-id=12F0696583E04D86B9B79B0FEC01C087&current-category-id=FB7AF02917DF464B80B47A578BC9DD24

I found the link and this thing is a real beast, i think from what i remember that it only weighs 2.3lbs. How crazy is that...
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  haduken   China. July 26 2009 01:13. Posts 5018Profile Blog 
My T500 retails at $2600 AUD normally. When I say normally I mean the price on Lenovo's website. It's hard to pin down an exact price because Lenovo always have coupons and sales etc.

Nevertheless, I bought the machine for $1148 AUD LOL. It was a one day special sale.
This is more or less the right price ( given that Lenovo cost nearly twice as much here than US).

It also costs more to get it in China, go figure.

It is really a great deal.

P8600 2.4GHZ
2GB DDR3 1066
250GB 5400rpm
ATI HD 3650 with hdmi output and intel switchable graphics
6 cell battery.
1680 x 1050 wxga+ screen
3 years warranty

I plan to add more RAM to it later and buy a 9 cell battery. Intel graphic on low setting get me close to 6 hours; 9 cell will give me at least 7 hours.

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  haduken   China. July 26 2009 01:15. Posts 5018Profile Blog 

On July 26 2009 00:22 GreEny K wrote:
That is a great laptop, in the Law firm that I work in (as an IT guy) I see this machine get abused by the biggest assholes in existence who have no idea how to treat a machine mainly because it isnt coming out of their pocket. Its a durable machine and can do pretty much anything you need it to. There was one lawyer however that requested a special order, this was an AMAZING machine and ill post link once i find it.

EDIT:

http://shop.lenovo.com/SEUILibrary/controller/e/web/LenovoPortal/en_US/catalog.workflow:category.details?current-catalog-id=12F0696583E04D86B9B79B0FEC01C087&current-category-id=FB7AF02917DF464B80B47A578BC9DD24

I found the link and this thing is a real beast, i think from what i remember that it only weighs 2.3lbs. How crazy is that...


X301 is overpriced. the ultra low voltage CPU is really just an underclocked core 2 duo. I can get an X200s for half the price that do basically the same thing.
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  haduken   China. July 26 2009 01:23. Posts 5018Profile Blog 

On July 26 2009 00:05 kemoryan wrote:
Nice, thanks for the review! I'm actually waiting for my T400 to get shipped, can't wait to test it out!

GTR: It really depends on the specs. My T400 cost 750$ from Lenovo's outlet and came with 3gb RAM, switchable graphics, 320gb HD, WXGA+ res screen with CCFL backlit and a P8400 processor (2.26 Ghz C2D). Great deal given the quality of these notebooks.


T400 is a bit too small for my liking. I owned a t42 before this and I don't really like the 14 inch screen. T400 is more portable though and is slimmer.

Another great thing about Thinkpads that I forgot to mention:

They are silent and I mean SILENT. Running on full performance, you would hardly notice the fan running. Great engineering there.

Toshiba and HPs business offerings have nothing to compete in the accoustic department; the extra cost totally justify the purchase.
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  AoN.DimSum   United States. July 26 2009 01:25. Posts 641Profile Blog 
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  kemoryan   July 26 2009 01:41. Posts 1322Profile Blog 

On July 26 2009 01:23 haduken wrote:

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T400 is a bit too small for my liking. I owned a t42 before this and I don't really like the 14 inch screen. T400 is more portable though and is slimmer.

Another great thing about Thinkpads that I forgot to mention:

They are silent and I mean SILENT. Running on full performance, you would hardly notice the fan running. Great engineering there.

Toshiba and HPs business offerings have nothing to compete in the accoustic department; the extra cost totally justify the purchase.



Well I still haven't got my T400 yet but I'm currently using a 10" netbook. I'm pretty sure a 14" 1440 x 900 screen will be enough for my college needs.

Btw. What do you think about the new T400s? Do you think the extra thinness and lightweight design is worth the premium price? I mean it's a hell of a notebook but it's about 500 bucks more on the same specs...
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  haduken   China. July 26 2009 01:53. Posts 5018Profile Blog 
I like it and It would be a good alternative for people thinking about getting the X301 or X200. Price wise I doubt people would mind unless it is outrageous. Thinkpads are generally more expensive compare with other vendors anyway.

It is lacking in the graphics department tho so I doubt it would be popular amongst college students. However as a portable workstation it's great.

If I didn't get such a great deal on my T500 I would totally consider the T400s.

What battery did you get with your T400? From memory, the default battery is only a 4 cell. 6 cell would hinge out?
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  ZerG~LegenD   Sweden. July 26 2009 02:24. Posts 411Profile Blog 
I've gotten quite interested in a SL500, what are the main differences between the the T and SL series? Also, are there any other brands with similar keyboards as the Thinkpads?
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  illu   Canada. July 26 2009 02:42. Posts 1018Profile Blog 
tbh I don't like the cunt-mouse.
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  haduken   China. July 26 2009 03:13. Posts 5018Profile Blog 

On July 26 2009 02:24 ZerG~LegenD wrote:
I've gotten quite interested in a SL500, what are the main differences between the the T and SL series? Also, are there any other brands with similar keyboards as the Thinkpads?


The most apparent differences are the chasis design and the lid cover. The traditional Thinkpads covers are made of Titanium and is very rugged and scratch resistant. This design choice hasn't changed through the years as a testament of it's success and acceptance.

The SL500's cover is a glossy plastic cover. It looks great at first but very easy to scratch and leave finger marks on.

Hardware wise, both will come with the standard Centrino and Centrino 2 setups. You will find that the majority of SL500 will come with a mid-range graphic card. T series however do have option to attach an additional docking station (This is a feature mostly underestimated). A docking station is a very nice addition to any workstation laptop. SL do not have this option.

SL are also bigger and thicker and do not have the same engineering merits associated with the traditional Thinkpads. The build quality still beats most of other vendor's competiting product though. But the price of SL is unattractive considering it's target market. IMO SL is a redesigned version of R that focus on the home/student market.

T is a premium business range. It sits above the R and below the W. I hope this gave you a perspective on what to chose. Majority of T machines come with 3 years warranty however this will vary depending on your location. SL as far as I know come with 1 year warranty by default.

AFAIK, the Thinkpad keyboard design is patented. However, some people say that the quality of the Thinkpad present day is inferior comparing against the older days.
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  ZerG~LegenD   Sweden. July 26 2009 03:58. Posts 411Profile Blog 

On July 26 2009 03:13 haduken wrote:

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The most apparent differences are the chasis design and the lid cover. The traditional Thinkpads covers are made of Titanium and is very rugged and scratch resistant. This design choice hasn't changed through the years as a testament of it's success and acceptance.

The SL500's cover is a glossy plastic cover. It looks great at first but very easy to scratch and leave finger marks on.

Hardware wise, both will come with the standard Centrino and Centrino 2 setups. You will find that the majority of SL500 will come with a mid-range graphic card. T series however do have option to attach an additional docking station (This is a feature mostly underestimated). A docking station is a very nice addition to any workstation laptop. SL do not have this option.

SL are also bigger and thicker and do not have the same engineering merits associated with the traditional Thinkpads. The build quality still beats most of other vendor's competiting product though. But the price of SL is unattractive considering it's target market. IMO SL is a redesigned version of R that focus on the home/student market.

T is a premium business range. It sits above the R and below the W. I hope this gave you a perspective on what to chose. Majority of T machines come with 3 years warranty however this will vary depending on your location. SL as far as I know come with 1 year warranty by default.

AFAIK, the Thinkpad keyboard design is patented. However, some people say that the quality of the Thinkpad present day is inferior comparing against the older days.

Thanks. Sounds sweet to me; I don't care at all about the design and the SL500 goes for a third the price of any R,T or X series in Sweden.
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