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Lawsuit: DBSK vs SM Entertainment

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  LosingID8   USC. August 03 2009 12:41. Posts 7060Profile Blog 
This is currently the biggest news in the kpop world. I would usually put this in the kpop thread, but I think it deserves its own blog.

Remember, this is not just about DBSK. If this is the case for Asia's most popular boyband, this is likely the case for all the other kpop stars out there.


DBSK Hero, Micky and Xiah’s official stand about their discord with SM

Idol group Dong Bang Shin Ki’s members Micky YooChun, Hero JaeJoong and Xiah JunSu finally revealed their stand about their problems with SM Entertainment.

Their representative revealed through news media on 3rd August, “The 5 years period after they debuted, the 3 of them felt that their minds and their bodies are tired having to follow the tight schedule that the company put up unilaterally.”


They continued, “Kim JunSu, Kim JaeJoong and Park YooChun has been following SM’s instruments from the beginning of 2004 till now, going back and forth promoting in Korea, Japan, China etc, and in a year except for 1 week they get only 3-4 hours of sleep a day to do our schedule.”

Also, “In the process the health of the 3 members are very much deteriorated, they are also suffering from mental fatigue, and as time went SM continue to established on their own decision for Dong Bang Shin Ki to advance into other countries. In the end the 3 members felt that as compared to be fulfilling their dreams to be singers, they are used more as a tool by the compared to earn profits, and they wish to use each of the members to also go into other entertainers’ activities.”

The 3 members’ representative also added, “It is a 13 years contract but in reality it is a lifetime contract. With the exclusive rights clause in the contract, the 13 years also include the time the members are serving their military service, hence it will go for more than 15 years. And now it has not even been near to 10 years since the group’s debut, hence it seems like the contract will last until the members’ retirement from the entertainment zone. The penalty for retracting the exclusive right clause is 3 times the investment cost and 2 times the lost in earnings. They also asked about the penalty of cancelling the whole contract but it will involve several hundred billions KRW of penalty, hence in reality there is no way out but to be tied down to SM because of the contract.”

Also, “The members did not receive the right treatment even from SM. Without getting any contract fees, the initial contract was that if their album sells more than 500K copies, each member will get about 10 million KRW (~$8,000 USD) during the next album release. If they sell less than 500K copies of album, they will get nothing.”***

The 3 members had went down to Seoul Central District Court to file for a retractile of their exclusive belonging rights with SM Entertainment on 31st July, causing an outrage of speculations about the group’s disbanding and also problems between the members and SM.

Credit: sookyeong@wordpress



1. 5 years after their debut, the three members are physically and emotionally fatigued from the company’s one-sided orders.
-Kim Junsu, Kim Jaejoong, and Park Yoochun debuted as DBSK members in 2004. Since then, they have followed SM’s orders to go from Korea, Japan, to China. With the exception of 1 week for year, they were only able to get 3-4 hours of sleep and had to go through schedules. During this period, the health of the three members deteriorated and they were mentally fatigued. However, SM pushed DBSK into foreign markets which resulted in excess performance plans. In result, the three members felt that they would not be able to achieve their dreams in SM and would be just tools for the company’s profit. They wished to participate in entertainment activities according to their individual visions.

2.In reality, 13 years of contract meant a contract for life.
-According to the contract, the period of the contract was 13 years, but when including military service, would exceed over 15 years. This meant that there was still 10 years to go with the current contract and in reality, meant until retirement. In the instance that the contract would be breached, the penalty would be to pay 3 times the total investment, 2 times the lost earnings. Even in the case that the contract is canceled when agreed by both parties, the members were required to pay penalty. Therefore, due to the millions of wons required by the contract upon cancellation, contract cancellation was realistically impossible and the members had no choice but to remain in SM

3. The members did not receive adequate treatment from SM for their efforts.
-Despite all this, during the duration of their contract, they did not receive adequate treatment from SM. They did not receive any earnest money from the contract, and according to the initial contract for album profit allotment clause, only when an album sold 500,000 copies, could they get $10,000 per member for the next album, and when albums sold less than 500,000 copies, the members could not receive any earnings.*** This clause was revised in 2009, February 6th, but even after the revision, earnings that each member would receive for the album sales were 0.4%-1% depending on the album sales.

4. The members requested for corrections to the unreasonable contract, but SM did not listen to the member’s opinions.
-In this situation, the three members pointed out the unreasonable parts in the contract and asked multiple times to be freed from the contract’s boundary and work according to their visions but in response to the current situation, SM discussed issues dealing with their investments in the makeup company, not responding to the true nature of the problem. Despite all this, the three members wanted to find a way to deal with the situation and requested for a conference where both parties could find a solution but SM did not respond. During this process, by the attitudes shown by SM, the three members realized that there was no point in hoping for a settlement and resorted to the court of justice to execute a solution for the problems.

5. The investment in makeup company does not have any relation to entertainment activities and does not have any relation to the applied provisional disposition. The nature of this incident is the contract.
-SM stated that the disposition was submitted due to the investment but the members’ investments in the makeup company do not have anything to do with the provisional disposition. The makeup company SM discussed planned to export to China, and the three members invested as stockholders, having no relation with their entertainment activities. Just by common sense, it does not make sense that the members would give up all their efforts and results as DBSK in order to invest $100,000 to the company. The core of the problems presented by the members is contract injustice, and SM’s attempts to blur the true problems by bring up the investments must stop now.

6. The members do not want DBSK to break up and just hope to free themselves from contract restraints.
-Many fans are worried that the disposition would result in DBSK’s break up. However, this disposition was not intended for DBSK to end. Right now, due to differences in how the members wish to overcome problems, only 3 members have participated in the lawsuit. However, there is no problems within the members and they all have the same wishes to keep their promises with their fans to always remain as one. After this incident, if contract injustice is corrected and the members are given conditions to freely perform their music, they feel that everyone can be one and can stand in front of fans as one.

7. We will take this as an opportunity to mature.
-The members realize how much DBSK fans must be surprised and be disappointed about this incident and are distressed and sorry. If the fans could think of this as a jump to bigger dreams and continue to cheer, the members promise to respond to the fans as better musicians.

Credit: j'adore@soompi.com


***For those who are unware: Selling 500,000 copies of an album is almost impossible in Korea. However, DBSK's comeback was such a huge success that their 4th album sold over 500,000 units. Note that in Korea, if you sell 100,000 you are considered a top star. In fact, 500k was the largest amount of units sold in about 5 or 6 years. That is how unfair their contract was.

The entertainment industry is really harsh =/

Slave Management Entertainment, indeed.
Last edit: 2009-08-03 13:14:16


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  cestatoi   United States. August 03 2009 12:48. Posts 84Profile 
i hope dbsk wins. wonder how many artists are tied down like this
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  redtooth   August 03 2009 12:49. Posts 1365Profile Blog 
hearing stuff like this and how progamers practice 14 hours a day are why i think koreans are absolutely crazy. their work ethics are insane. i'm korean but i grew up in the states and whenever i think about my parents working without rest i'm just lost for words. all work and no play makes jack a dull boy.
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  XDawn   Canada. August 03 2009 12:49. Posts 3854Profile Blog 
It's not surprising.
Korea. Entertainment Companies. Artists. Profit. Management.
You can see right through the good image that they put up
Use it or lose it
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  OneOther   Streets of Seoul. August 03 2009 12:50. Posts 8505Profile Blog 
ah. sm entertainment has always been notorious for shit like this :/
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  MuffiN   Korea (North). August 03 2009 12:52. Posts 201Profile Blog 
Redtooth i completely agree, the korean worth ethics as well as in other asian countrise is way too harsh. Its not neccessarily a bad thing but enough is definately enough. My cousins in korea are studying literally 15 hours a day without break. They have a common goal of succeeding in the world. Although this mentality is a very amendable thing, some of it is definately overboard. But what can we say, were north americans who do not even understand the intensity halfway across this world, so we cannot judge nor criticize the way they do things there.

But yes, i agree entirely that DBSK should win, no human should be confined to a tight schedule like that.
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  konadora  *   Singapore. August 03 2009 12:52. Posts 17582Profile Blog 
What the shit man, the penalty is unreal. And the company deciding stuff on their own is rather retarded too. Don't think the fans will be disappointed with this, and I think they'll receive more empathy instead.
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  konadora  *   Singapore. August 03 2009 12:58. Posts 17582Profile Blog 

But yes, i agree entirely that DBSK should win, no human should be confined to a tight schedule like that.

I think it's okay as long as the person-in-question willingly does it, but in this case, the company plans all the schedule without consulting them at all, which is why it's complete bullshit.
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  NeverGG  *   Korea (South). August 03 2009 13:01. Posts 3798Profile Blog 
I saw this elsewhere and I don't really follow DBSK so it doesn't upset me (now if it was Super Junior....) I think the fall out so far in the foreign fan base has been kind of epic. SM is known for this kind of thing already so I'm not surprised finally someone has turned round and said no to their demands.
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  konadora  *   Singapore. August 03 2009 13:05. Posts 17582Profile Blog 
btw link in the OP doesn't work, it's broken
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  ghostWriter   United States. August 03 2009 13:10. Posts 2187Profile Blog 
-_-
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  LosingID8   USC. August 03 2009 13:16. Posts 7060Profile Blog 

On August 03 2009 13:01 NeverGG wrote:
I saw this elsewhere and I don't really follow DBSK so it doesn't upset me (now if it was Super Junior....) I think the fall out so far in the foreign fan base has been kind of epic. SM is known for this kind of thing already so I'm not surprised finally someone has turned round and said no to their demands.

umm, as you probably know DBSK and SJ are in the same company. In fact, recently it was SJ's schedule was revealed and it lasts for 24 hours a day (of course not all members participating in everything). SJ's contract is probably the exact same.

also, i fixed the broken url.
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  ReCharge   Philippines. August 03 2009 13:18. Posts 436Profile Blog 
SM is like the KPOP version of KeSpa?
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  MuffiN   Korea (North). August 03 2009 13:25. Posts 201Profile Blog 

On August 03 2009 13:18 ReCharge wrote:
SM is like the KPOP version of KeSpa?


Worse
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  infinity21  *   Canada. August 03 2009 13:34. Posts 4479Profile Blog 
I know actors and such work ridiculous schedules when they're filming but they have a lot of downtime too so that's different I suppose. Best of luck to DBSK
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  sArite_nite   Singapore. August 03 2009 13:38. Posts 451Profile Blog 

On August 03 2009 13:18 ReCharge wrote:
SM is like the KPOP version of KeSpa?

Word
Kek
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  CaptainPlatypus   United States. August 03 2009 13:40. Posts 287Profile Blog 

On August 03 2009 13:18 ReCharge wrote:
SM is like the KPOP version of KeSpa?

More like the Korean version of the Big Four.
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  Solinren   United States. August 03 2009 13:42. Posts 2255Profile Blog 
I don't want to see my Taengoo's contract with SM T.T___T.T
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  FragKrag   United States. August 03 2009 13:44. Posts 4680Profile Blog 
4th world working conditions lulz
..

t.t
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  broz0rs   United States. August 03 2009 13:45. Posts 434Profile 
lol this isn't the only time SM is working their artists to the point of slavery. HOT, SES, BoA have all reported exhaustion in the past. I'm pretty sure their current lineup of pop artists such as DBSK and SNSD are all working like dogs at the moment.
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