 Shiverfish Canada. August 13 2009 12:54. Posts 46 | Profile Blog |
What is the first thing that comes to mind after reading the title? Incest is perhaps the preeminent example of a cultural taboo we hold in modern society. The mere mention of the word itself immediately evokes ingrained associations of revulsion and disgust. Most anyone would agree it is unacceptable behaviour, and scramble to flush the idea out of their head. But yet it seems to remain a popular theme in adult entertainment, especially from the “wacky deviant Japanese”.
It has also popped up intermittently in mainstream culture. The best example I can think of is Oldboy, who I suspect many here may be familiar with. I haven’t watched the film, but I read the synopsis. That’s how I try to consume relevant pop-cultural knowledge without divesting too much time in them. Clearly, its perpetuation in the media and artistic works means there is some common thread of appreciation among a notable chunk of the population for this incest theme. However, it is heavily detrimental to one’s reputation to challenge this taboo, and so few are willing to admit their attraction (whether conscious or unconscious) to it.
I shall restrict my discussion of this relationship to sibling-sibling attraction, and not parent-child. The latter relation relies heavily on trust and dependence, so any Oedipus-style incest falls easily into a situation of abuse. A brother and sister duo, however, share a similar position of experience and authority, and such a relationship would be more “fair”.
What is the secret allure to having intimate relations with a sibling? Contrary to the common saying, opposites do not attract. Similarities, in fact, attract. This is a rather obvious trend that I do not really have to argue. You make friends with people who share similar interests and traits. Compatibilities are based on complementary attributes, not outright personality clashes. So who else can possibly be more similar to yourself than a peer with the same genetic inheritance? No one can understand the same experiences of growing up as a brother and sister.
Here I can also refer to that news story of a couple who grew up independently, met, married and had children, and later found out they were actually a brother and sister who had been separated as toddlers. I won’t bother to research a link, but you can look it up if interested. This is at least one story of an unlikely, disturbing relationship between brother and sister.
One common lament for incestuous relationships is the dreaded developmentally disabled offspring. How this misunderstanding perpetuated so strongly into mainstream acceptance is surprising to me. Breeding among closely related individuals in no way guarantees genetic defects in the offspring. The gene pool is smaller; exposure to additional genetic variations is limited; dominant alleles may be absent and a recessive allele trait may become likely, yes. The actual effect of all this to produce a defective mutant, however, is probably infinitesimal compared to other factors such as mutagenic exposure, older-aged eggs, or defective genes in the general population.
The royal families in Europe are often used as an example for pedigree diagrams. As far as I can tell they were not overrun by rampant retards after a couple of generations. In fact, I would argue that possibly superior genes (assuming their rise to power was attributable to some degree to merit) are concentrated in a bloodline to breed an even stronger line of offspring.
Incest does not seem to be a major taboo among animals in nature, as far as I am aware. Possibly they may be predisposed for partners from another litter, but if two specimens are placed in an enclosure, they would reproduce to birth subsequent generations despite their common lineage.
So where does our aversion of incest stem from? The bible or any other relevant religious text would probably be a good place to start. I am not saying these artifacts are totally worthless – much of their preached values often provide useful guidance for many people in the world.
If existing culture was completely torn down and all existing mores forgotten, what kinds of values would you retain sheerly for tradition’s sake? If you found yourself among an army of clones of yourself, would you be so sure that you would not be attracted to a girl version of you? I am convinced I would be very turned on by a girl version of myself. Maybe that is narcissism in its ultimate form? Hahaha.
For the record, I don’t have a sister. I probably wouldn’t dare try anything like this if I did. But people have their fetishes, and this one doesn’t seem totally unique. Taboo, perhaps, but not unique.
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 PanN United States. August 13 2009 12:57. Posts 408 | Profile |
On August 13 2009 12:54 Shiverfish wrote: I would argue that possibly superior genes (assuming their rise to power was attributable to some degree to merit) are concentrated in a bloodline to breed an even stronger line of offspring.
No, thats not how it works. |
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 Sadistx Zimbabwe. August 13 2009 12:57. Posts 2153 | Profile Blog |
For me it's leaving the toilet seat up after daterape.
That's just not cool. You don't do that.Last edit: 2009-08-13 12:58:19 |
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 illu Canada. August 13 2009 13:01. Posts 1018 | Profile Blog |
On August 13 2009 12:54 Shiverfish wrote:
The royal families in Europe are often used as an example for pedigree diagrams. As far as I can tell they were not overrun by rampant retards after a couple of generations. In fact, I would argue that possibly superior genes (assuming their rise to power was attributable to some degree to merit) are concentrated in a bloodline to breed an even stronger line of offspring.
*points to the British Royal Family* |
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konadora  Singapore. August 13 2009 13:03. Posts 17582 | Profile Blog |
But yet it seems to remain a popular theme in adult entertainment, especially from the “wacky deviant Japanese”.
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| jonnyp United States. August 13 2009 13:03. Posts 215 | Profile Blog |
lol?
as far as European dynasties go, there were plenty of genetic diseases for just these reasons. though i don't recall any brother-sister marriages, mostly cousins, which is why there weren't more such cases (cousins are genetically independent enough to reduce the risks).
On August 13 2009 12:57 Sadistx wrote:
For me it's leaving the toilet seat up after daterape.
That's just not cool. You don't do that.
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 Licmyobelisk Philippines. August 13 2009 13:03. Posts 1037 | Profile Blog |
I wouldn't have sex with siblings up to anyone who is tagged with my last name or my mother's last name on it which I know, that has our grandfather's blood written all over it...
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 Ozarugold August 13 2009 13:04. Posts 1830 | Profile Blog |
| I don't want anyone to be misinformed, but Oldboy is a korean movie~ |
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 Sadist United States. August 13 2009 13:04. Posts 4220 | Profile |
*points to ferdinand and isabella*
(assuming they were the fuglies that im remembering correctly) |
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| Licmyobelisk Philippines. August 13 2009 13:05. Posts 1037 | Profile Blog |
| so OP, who you attracted to? First cousin, 2nd cousin? |
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 koOl Canada. August 13 2009 13:05. Posts 186 | Profile |
umm..i dont know where ur getting the thing about incest not causing disabilties. one of my best friends grand parents were brother and sister. she has quite a bad learning disability because of this and her mom also has numerous health problems.
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| illu Canada. August 13 2009 13:05. Posts 1018 | Profile Blog |
On August 13 2009 13:03 Licmyobelisk wrote:I wouldn't have sex with siblings up to anyone who is tagged with my last name or my mother's last name on it which I know, that has our grandfather's blood written all over it... + Show Spoiler +
Aren't last names very homogenized in Philipine?Last edit: 2009-08-13 13:06:37 |
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| Loser777 United States. August 13 2009 13:06. Posts 178 | Profile Blog |
| Maybe it's that people are programmed to find others to diversify the gene pool. Even if you're not causing the proliferation of genetic-diseases, you're not helping evolution? |
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| Jayme United States. August 13 2009 13:07. Posts 2155 | Profile |
Ever hear of Hemophilia?
but yea your point IS sound. It's a fetish that has criminal charges attached to it and... I don't really understand why... at least when talking about siblings.
I have a sister... I would never do anything to her... but if some other siblings want to why the fuck would I even care?
I don't so... have at it... I don't care. |
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 Chef Canada. August 13 2009 13:13. Posts 4712 | Profile Blog |
I have a sister... I would never do anything to her... but if some other siblings want to why the fuck would I even care?
As a member of the human species, you should have an interest in its continued survival, and therefore you should care. If you made the distinction you don't care as long as they don't have children, that would be different. But the fact that you don't make the distinction, means that biologically it has to matter to you. |
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| Licmyobelisk Philippines. August 13 2009 13:13. Posts 1037 | Profile Blog |
On August 13 2009 13:05 illu wrote:
Show nested quote +On August 13 2009 13:03 Licmyobelisk wrote:I wouldn't have sex with siblings up to anyone who is tagged with my last name or my mother's last name on it which I know, that has our grandfather's blood written all over it... + Show Spoiler +
Aren't last names very homogenized in Philipine?
Yes it is, just that.. you know, maybe they could be my 2nd or 3rd cousin. off course I do want to help improve humanity's evolution. |
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 Lemonwalrus United States. August 13 2009 13:15. Posts 3044 | Profile Blog |
On August 13 2009 12:54 Shiverfish wrote:
Incest does not seem to be a major taboo among animals in nature, as far as I am aware. Possibly they may be predisposed for partners from another litter, but if two specimens are placed in an enclosure, they would reproduce to birth subsequent generations despite their common lineage.
You are incorrect.
Most animals, especially ones of comparable complexity to humans, instinctively avoid mating with close relatives.
Edit: Upon closer inspection, a great deal of what you put forth as fact in this essay is downright untrue.Last edit: 2009-08-13 13:16:36 |
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| illu Canada. August 13 2009 13:15. Posts 1018 | Profile Blog |
Shiverfish:
I'd like to point out that the wording in your essay sounds like you are a loyal eugenics supporter from the 1930s in Canada. Through your writing you repeatedly claim that incest is due to "certain individuals" in the general population having "unpure genes" while there are carriers of "pure genes" that are immune to this problem (hence incest being a taboo would be wrong and biased). Thanks for reminding me of a dark part of Canadian history which became the forerunner for the Nazi-eugenics program.
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Originally I was going to write more counterarguments, but I deleted them in case I was just feeding a troll. Well, I probably have already fed too much. |
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| koOl Canada. August 13 2009 13:18. Posts 186 | Profile |
| i would LOVE to see shiverfish reply for once instead of disapearing for a few months again |
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 koreasilver Canada. August 13 2009 13:24. Posts 2723 | Profile Blog |
| You clearly don't understand some of the basic concepts of genetics involved in the creation of offspring. |
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