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After hearing this vote 1 or 2.
Dudey::: Fake. Note: I was unaware of this since I was out of bnet politics for a long time, but noticed that Dudey has had a long history of trying to cheat in tournaments.
Elky doesn't care. This was a set up. We were essentially robbed. It is true. At first I was the biggest skeptic of it, and had no clue.
Ret vs Dudey 2-1.. dudey claims hack. I /w "What is taking so long...?" Elky> "Hack accusations" Testie> "Ret" Testie> "He does T_T!" (my words that I am judging off of a couple suspicious replays he had vs assem in tvt, which could very well be me totally wrong seeing as suspicious things are sometimes bound to happen in tvt and considering when i played him and 4-1'd him or so.. i was not too suspicious he hacked) So yes it was wrong of me to say he does
After he 2-1's Dudey, ret loses 0-2. And he has a friend who is sitting next to him while he games him. And his friend says "This is not the same player at all.." and he likewise agrees. Something has changed. Dudey logs off Speaks great english again. Time to game testie. Dudey logs on. (Note: Different lag bars every time he logs on and off)
Note: ElkY gives ret the BM message "play or be disqualified" (After he wins 2-1?!!?) ODD! So, on the basis of my words ElkY will make dudey replay ret, yet on the basis of the whole channels word against dudey (after they are sure he is fake) they will not make him replay ret?
Dudey magically forgets the english language, has no typing speed what so ever because he is likely getting what to say from dudey through whispers (when he had dnd on.. he refused to talk)
So Testie vs Dudey round one. Testie plays like shit and dies anyway, sure that's normal. But he is like "Wow.. this is dudey? He's gotten a lot better.." (Not dudey playing, get the hint?)
I am then messaged by more than one person on dudeys /f list that they are 100% sure he is fake. And he is /f ring his friends so they don't notice him log on / off as much. Then after a LOT of time and trouble... dudey continually relogs as needed to keep proving it's him.
Just then! Testie with the channel pretty sure it isn't dudey.. ElkY "Play him or be disqualified" Testie> "It's not him!@#%%" ElkY "Join his game" Testie> "..." ElkY "Thank u for ur cooperation."
Testie vs Dudey round two... A little suspicious tvz on nostalgia. Without proper scouting he just builds 20 or so lings and runs up my ramp. I played vs thewind, gyuntae, and many other amazing zergs to practice on that map and you do not see them just build 24 lings to run up someones ramp. Because it is A: Stupid and basing the game off luck instead of skill. B: Not a smart idea without the correct amount of scouting. All he saw was me 2 raxing. But seeing as you can just say "oh he was just testing ramp" I won't go into detail.
In Dudeys profile there is now a picture of Testie.jpg that says "TESTIE IS BEING A NIGGER" with his face beside it on his desk top. Now he relogs again.
Now despite many many many accusations in the channel that it isn't dudey, ElkY just continually says "prove it. prove it. prove it."
So, now after this game.. dudey logs off. Relogs. And Rekrul tells him to take a picture of the screen with his face beside it (after he logged off) and he did that and veg is likely playing the real dudey (probably with a hack) right now. So everyone who played "dudey" got horribly, horribly screwed by this scam.
Options. 1: Let it be Testie vs Ret instead of Dudey seeing as it is known he cheated.
2: Let this horrid injustice go, and say "oh well! we know he did it but fuck, I don't like testie anyway even though he has never spit in my hair for the past couple years."
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Netherlands4511 Posts
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find out if this is jinnam
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Karma is a bitch aint it Testie?
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hades shut up
wow there is something i want to tell you guys but i cant
i gotta talk to smuft and elky.
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Now despite all this.. Dudey Just went 2-0 vs VeG.. yet he shouldn't even be there in the first place because he facking cheated. T_T So if he is playing he's probably 100% hacking and showing it.
But from what I can tell.. according to dreame, and many others.. ElkY will just look the other way anyway.
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I personally like Testie, I just find it kinda ironic and "Karmatic" that it was slightly based on his hack accusations vs Ret (I dont blame him for this, even that replay vs Dudey does look a lil suspicious) but then instead of playing Ret or Dudey based partly on his accusation he faces Progamer/Hacking zerg...
Hopefully Elky/Smuft/Dudey dont get away clean... I was looking forward to seeing Testie go to Korea, not just because I like him but also because of Nazguls reaction :p
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This is a rip-off. All planned before it even started. They thought this was a nice way to get some money. It's probably a zerg progamer playing for dudey anyway.
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Hades, the point is that I didn't accuse ret of hacking. Dudey did. The matches weren't progressing either. They were just looking for someone to dump the blame on. IF I had said nothing completely, Banana still would have had to regame him.
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i agree nick. dudey isnt this good. the relogging is definitely suspicious and the discing is obvious cheat. dudey should be out of the tourney.
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Looking forward to hear it venice
Ps - No one took screen shots of the lag changes??
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Ok i choose option 1, but don't try to be the victim here Testie ;/, u said Ret hacked because u wanted to play Dudey so u could win easily, but he buttfucked you, Anyway it's not him, so testie should play vs Ret yes.
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Osaka26946 Posts
"He does T_T!" (my words that I am judging off of a couple suspicious replays he had vs assem in tvt, which could very well be me totally wrong seeing as suspicious things are sometimes bound to happen in tvt and considering when i played him and 4-1'd him or so.. i was not too suspicious he hacked) SO YES IT WAS WRONG OF ME TO SAY HE DOES"
Nice to see someone in the BW community step up and take responsibility for their actions for once. My question is, why, if all this is true, does Elky and/or Smuft want ilnp on the team so bad? Mani~
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Netherlands4511 Posts
hades i'm totally hack-free, this is the first time my name is brought in same context as hacking. plz don't make this worse. EVeryone knows this is bullshit, i even took a SS when dudey, asked. still got it.
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fuck it this thing is bullshit
im really sorry nazgul
but this is too much people paid money for this.
The whole thing is bullshit, elky and smuft never got full permission from their manager. The winner isnt joining the dream team.
As sad as it is elky and smuft are probably having jinnam(who is on the dream team) play for ilnp so there is no winner and they dont have the problem of telling the winner they arent going to korea.
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Osaka26946 Posts
Also I just watched the disc rep between ret and ilnp and why was that replayed? It was obvious that it was over. Mani~
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Netherlands4511 Posts
oh and in my games vs dudey, he always prepared for my dropship etc, could be hack too =(
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Osaka26946 Posts
On April 27 2003 00:18 Liquid.Venice wrote: fuck it this thing is bullshit
im really sorry nazgul
but this is too much people paid money for this.
The whole thing is bullshit, elky and smuft never got full permission from their manager. The winner isnt joining the dream team.
As sad as it is elky and smuft are probably having jinnam(who is on the dream team) play for ilnp so there is no winner and they dont have the problem of telling the winner they arent going to korea. O M F G lol thats a pretty shitty was to get some cash. Mani~
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dudey in the finals? biggest controversy in the history of SC. i hope he doesnt win. isnt it a little strange they would put the korean time when they announced the times, but no koreans are supposed to be participating?
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ban dudey.
ret vs born2march winner vs testie winner vs veg
=[
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Osaka26946 Posts
Well ret, I just want to say that that was a nice comeback in the disc game after dudley had most of the map. GJ. Mani~
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Probably a zerg pro gamer to ensure 100% With a hack or something. Certain someone> Don't fuck this up, use this. We need 100% win.
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I didnt say you hack... I just said there were some suspicious things in the game. Suspicious stuff does happen tho, and im sure if you look hard enough at Dudeys reps in this tourney you will find 1000x more.
Also, slightly suspicious behavior should never be enough to make such a large decision. Otherwise Im sure 90% of the series in this tournament would need to be replayed. I think some of the stuff that happened in that game would perhaps be enough for someone to say "FUCKIN HACKER STFU" if they are as lame as Dudey, but it should never be enough for them to make any sort of decision to either kick you out or replay the games.
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Now it makes sense why nazgul was like "Im not a part of this dont talk to me about it, etc" right when the season started, he probably knew about it the entire time
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On April 27 2003 00:18 Liquid.Venice wrote: fuck it this thing is bullshit
im really sorry nazgul
but this is too much people paid money for this.
The whole thing is bullshit, elky and smuft never got full permission from their manager. The winner isnt joining the dream team.
As sad as it is elky and smuft are probably having jinnam(who is on the dream team) play for ilnp so there is no winner and they dont have the problem of telling the winner they arent going to korea.
this could very well be the reason. it all makes sense after hearing this
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DO NOT put ANY blame on nazgul.
he never wanted ANYTHING to do with this and was in a horrible position, and it was really hard for me to decide whether or not to say this because it puts him in a very bad position, and i am very sorry.
he shouldnt have told me.
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ret was essentially fucked over. The dudey issue is still a mystery, this tournament is BS.
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yes OT said it right this time =)
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im not saying its nazguls fault im just saying he knew about it =[ he couldnt say anything obviously being new in korea and theyd kick him off if he said something =\
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I agree / second A LOT of what Testie posted.
But also I did confirm 100% that it was Dudey before he played vs Veg. (and he never logged off after that confirmation) And Dudey did play EXTREMELY WELL game 1 (with a couple "hackerish" moves that also could be called very smart/skilled moves).
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Wow, this is definitely going to cause problems for Smuft/Elky
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So the moral of the story is, if you go to Korea as a foreign pro-gamer, you will likely be so damn poor that you will have to resort to running farce tournament to make money. Unless you win. Which Smuft doesn't.
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Osaka26946 Posts
My question is this: if there is no one joining the team in Korea, what does dudley get from all of this? A cut of the money?
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On April 27 2003 00:26 Liquid.Venice wrote: DO NOT put ANY blame on nazgul.
he never wanted ANYTHING to do with this and was in a horrible position, and it was really hard for me to decide whether or not to say this because it puts him in a very bad position, and i am very sorry.
he shouldnt have told me.
No Venice. What YOU did was the right thing, it is to tell everyone about it, what Nazgul did was just cowardly just like Pilato did to Jesus, wash his hands ( OKOK this is A LOT EXAGERRATIN, but u get the point) Nazgul really didn't care about others and was just saving himself. Oh Venice u 100% sure about this, this is fraud 100% (Very proud of Venice =... ( )
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why post what time the tourney would be in korean time if there are no koreans in it? why make all the maps ones that favor zerg? it had to have been rigged.
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it makes so much sense omg... this is the reason why venice didn't have a fit when he didn't get top 32 he knew there was gonna be no one going to korea
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Nazgul isnt to blame, he had to look out for his own interests... Would you fuck yourself over and ruin your dream because of this?
Also Venice -- that was kinda lame of you to tell I think. Now you put Nazgul in a very dangerous situation considering he was the one who told you now he could be fucked in Korea... Considering you had nothing to gain from telling anyone, except more people respecting you, this perhaps should have been kept secret considering Nazgul is the only one who could lose anything out of this. If Naz thought it shouldnt be made public, then you should have respected that as his friend (obvious you are friends otherwise he wouldnt have told you)
It probably would have been better waiting for the result of Daaman vs Dudey. If Daaman won then the secret would have had to of come out anyways and Nazgul would not of been jeopardized at all. If Dudey won, then Nazgul may have himself decided to tell people it was a farce, but it definitely wasnt your secret to tell...
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why did they keep saying they were running out of time? when if this tournament was really to be run legit with all the money into it, time should not be an issue. Maybe PC room was gonna close or jinnam was really sleepy. HAHA.
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after watchin some of the reps, there is no way all those games were dudey -_- im not sure if this is sad or humurous.
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Possibly someone played as dudey vs testie just to make sure testie didn't make it? Possibly... if what rekrul says about dudey definitely playing veg[pg].
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hmm, noone is going to korea.. if that is the case then that is definately grounds for a lawsuit thats assuming venice knows what he's talking about
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it all fits. definitely a scam. if i was in top 32 (hell even if i had just paid for it) i would demand a refund.
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On April 27 2003 00:33 Hades wrote: Nazgul isnt to blame, he had to look out for his own interests... Would you fuck yourself over and ruin your dream because of this?
Also Venice -- that was kinda lame of you to tell I think. Now you put Nazgul in a very dangerous situation considering he was the one who told you now he could be fucked in Korea... Considering you had nothing to gain from telling anyone, except more people respecting you, this perhaps should have been kept secret considering Nazgul is the only one who could lose anything out of this. If Naz thought it shouldnt be made public, then you should have respected that as his friend (obvious you are friends otherwise he wouldnt have told you)
I forgot, my position was so easy.
Protect a friend i know online(and dont you DARE think im not really sorry), or let more than 100 people know they were scammed out of 20 dollars and a HUGE amount of time.
Both choices are immoral, but one is right.
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u should get moire than a refund look at all those people who played 200+ games
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Daaman/Testie/Ret/Veg could probably sue for all the money made in the tournament, and the rest could probably sue for all of their money back.
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i played more games than anyone on that tournament.
i played over 400 games total
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Venice.. From how you talked on bnet I wasn't too sure I liked you man. But you really did the right thing there.
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God that is so fucking stupid, thx for telling us the truth Kiddie.
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On April 27 2003 00:33 Hades wrote: Nazgul isnt to blame, he had to look out for his own interests... Would you fuck yourself over and ruin your dream because of this?
Also Venice -- that was kinda lame of you to tell I think. Now you put Nazgul in a very dangerous situation considering he was the one who told you now he could be fucked in Korea... Considering you had nothing to gain from telling anyone, except more people respecting you, this perhaps should have been kept secret considering Nazgul is the only one who could lose anything out of this. If Naz thought it shouldnt be made public, then you should have respected that as his friend (obvious you are friends otherwise he wouldnt have told you)
Hey Hades I'm 100% sure the heads of AMD didn't haf ANYTHING to do with this, it was just pure Smuft/Elky, so Nazgul's "dream" wasn't on jeopardy if he would haf told everyone about it. The only thing would be he would no longer be Elky's and Smuft's friend SO WHAT? i wouldn't want that kind of friends anyway. I hope they fix this for all the people who PAYED for this. Don't say Venice didn't thought of Nazgul, i'm sure he did but he also thought about the other 100 people playing WDTour and paying their own money. Nazgul would just lose two "friends" Smutf and Elky.. while the other would lose TIME, HOPES, MONEY, etc etc..
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On April 27 2003 00:39 Liquid.Venice wrote: Show nested quote +On April 27 2003 00:33 Hades wrote: Nazgul isnt to blame, he had to look out for his own interests... Would you fuck yourself over and ruin your dream because of this?
Also Venice -- that was kinda lame of you to tell I think. Now you put Nazgul in a very dangerous situation considering he was the one who told you now he could be fucked in Korea... Considering you had nothing to gain from telling anyone, except more people respecting you, this perhaps should have been kept secret considering Nazgul is the only one who could lose anything out of this. If Naz thought it shouldnt be made public, then you should have respected that as his friend (obvious you are friends otherwise he wouldnt have told you) I forgot, my position was so easy. Protect a friend i know online(and dont you DARE think im not really sorry), or let more than 100 people know they were scammed out of 20 dollars and a HUGE amount of time. Both choices are immoral, but one is right.
Ya, protecting your friend is the right thing to do. It would have been different if you figured it out by yourself, but he is the one that told you, and you have to respect that. You never break a friends trust like that. The right position would have been to wait to say anything, talk to Naz about it (hes sleeping right now isnt he?), see what he thinks, give him a chance to tell people, and if he thinks that you still shouldnt tell then dont. Maybe he could put pressure on Smuft and Elky and tell them that he is going to tell unless he gives the money back to everyone who entered.
Maybe I just place more importance on trust than other people.
My main point is that this was not the right time. YOu should have conferred with Nazgul and talked to others about this before you said anything. Whether you tell now or 2 days from now isnt going to make much difference...
Now lets wait for Dudeys confession, I am interested in hearing who was playing for him.
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Russian Federation772 Posts
this is why you dont associate kids to anything that pertains to money or anything has any potential importance.
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Russian Federation772 Posts
in the aftermath this will devestate the 'bw community'
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On April 27 2003 00:44 Hades wrote: Show nested quote +On April 27 2003 00:39 Liquid.Venice wrote: On April 27 2003 00:33 Hades wrote: Nazgul isnt to blame, he had to look out for his own interests... Would you fuck yourself over and ruin your dream because of this?
Also Venice -- that was kinda lame of you to tell I think. Now you put Nazgul in a very dangerous situation considering he was the one who told you now he could be fucked in Korea... Considering you had nothing to gain from telling anyone, except more people respecting you, this perhaps should have been kept secret considering Nazgul is the only one who could lose anything out of this. If Naz thought it shouldnt be made public, then you should have respected that as his friend (obvious you are friends otherwise he wouldnt have told you) I forgot, my position was so easy. Protect a friend i know online(and dont you DARE think im not really sorry), or let more than 100 people know they were scammed out of 20 dollars and a HUGE amount of time. Both choices are immoral, but one is right. Ya, protecting your friend is the right thing to do. It would have been different if you figured it out by yourself, but he is the one that told you, and you have to respect that. You never break a friends trust like that. The right position would have been to wait to say anything, talk to Naz about it (hes sleeping right now isnt he?), see what he thinks, give him a chance to tell people, and if he thinks that you still shouldnt tell then dont. Maybe he could put pressure on Smuft and Elky and tell them that he is going to tell unless he gives the money back to everyone who entered.
At what point of imorrality do you continue to protect your friend?
Who are you to tell me what i should have done?
Fuck you.
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On a side note this totally changed the way i thought about Venice, i know u couldn't care less but i know now u are indeed a great guy =)
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isnt dudey some rich papa boy, with a shitload of money? if he wins (or who ever is playing for him, Hack or progamer) he wont need to get paid from AMD or elky or smuft, hes fucking loaded papa's boy.. makes sense to me why they want dudey to win : O~
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Whoever was also playing for dudey earlier was hacking too. Man if I can beat all these extremely great zergs flawlessly on nostalgia then lose to a 20 ling rush like that. The build he did is good against ONLY what I did if he gets to climb my ramp, and he did. Lucky him!
If you do that in a real game, and you don't attack at just the right time you will be fucked econimically and cannot recover. And seeing as how he didn't properly continously scout me, and keep the drone alive in my base to really see what i was doing.. he couldn't have guessed that it was just time to attack. All terrans expand at different times as they see fit.
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You could have waited... Giving someones word that you wont tell may not mean a lot to you, but I like to stick by my promises unless it is absolutely necessary not to.
You telling was perhaps the right thing to do. The point is it wasnt your right to tell because you were told in confidence from one of your good friends and you promised him not to tell. You didnt even talk to him before telling people. Why couldnt you wait a day or two and talk to Naz before telling? I think that he probably would have told himself after seeing all of this. You didnt give him that opportunity, and now you look like a savior and Naz looks like a jerk.
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Russian Federation772 Posts
you people are clueless idiots, just because venice said something to alleviate your jewish curiosity doesnt make him a better person in the least bit, this is his business and since he decided to go public with this scandal please spare him the bullshit.
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There will be no lawsuit. More than half of the people concerned aren't even in college and who the hell is going to pay for a lawyer to travel to Korea? That in itself would cost more than the ~$4000 made anyways. Unless some real dumbass is willing to front the money, nothing will happen. It's a game, and the ladder cost $20. Not exactly Supreme Court material here. That doesn't make any of this right of course, but let's not be delusional about ways to solve the problem.
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You can't sue for $20 (I don't think) even in the United States, not to mention that this is an international scandal. No way. But a lot more was lost than the $20/person such as time and effort. I'm not sure if anything can really be done outside of some sort of boycott...
No one should blame Nazgul for any of this, he was in no position to say anything. Kiddie made a good decision to tell everyone, and a hard one. Thank him.
This could really hurt the SCBW international community... I hope it doesn't, but if it does we have Smuft and Elky to thank.
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smuft was being pressured by everyone and he said he made a quick decision about ret vs dudey and he felt it was justified by "dudey" winning 3 straight. this is such bull shit. im mad and i didnt even play -.-v (well i did on my friends accout because he payed and never used it)
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It may be redundant, given what has already been revealed, but ..
I just watched the Veg vs. banana.milk reps and the hacking was obvious; it was clear that there was hack, and it was clear that he wasn't even trying to hide it.
:/
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ilnp . January 23 2003 20:28. Posts 366 Quote 9 Hatch/9 Pool. That's before overlord.
You can also experiment with 9 pool to 3 hatch (see yellow replays from 12) or 12 pool to 3 hatch (fairly popular from 12... sonic black does it from 6 vs *someone* in the korea wcg quals... i want to say oops lee). Those will die to a good BBS'er, though. (9 pool->3 hatch can beat the BBS down if you use a LOT of drones with your lings and your micro kicks ass)
Yellow likes to go hatch at ramp/pool, then gas a few drones later and third hatch at his expansion if things look all clear. i don't recommend this.
there's always just learning to 1 base =]
ilnp . January 24 2003 02:01. Posts 366 Quote Beast maybe it works in Bulgaria but it's unheard of to 12/12 on temple these days :-(
on Lotem 10 hatch at exp, then 9 pool will still die to a good BBS from 12 or 3
i find these relevant, considering that 3 out of the 4 reps i just watched, he went fast expo. not to mention the one game that i think was dudey, where he "disc", he played abuot 5x slower than the games where he fast expo.
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IGgs u are a very ugly person =( Hades now i see ur point, yes it would've been better if Venice could've convinced Nazgul about telling people, but maybe Venice tried with no results. Anyway Venice prolly didn't even think of that and that doens't make him a "bad" friend(Nazgul was just his online friend anyway...).
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i hope daaman rapes whoever is playing ilnp, and Elky and smuft get a in-your-face ; /
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Well the hotkeys in the ilnp vs ret discing game that ilnp used are the same as in the ilnp vs veg games.
On a side note I thought Veg played like shit in the 2nd game vs ilnp.
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On April 27 2003 00:18 Manifesto7 wrote: "He does T_T!" (my words that I am judging off of a couple suspicious replays he had vs assem in tvt, which could very well be me totally wrong seeing as suspicious things are sometimes bound to happen in tvt and considering when i played him and 4-1'd him or so.. i was not too suspicious he hacked) SO YES IT WAS WRONG OF ME TO SAY HE DOES"
Nice to see someone in the BW community step up and take responsibility for their actions for once. My question is, why, if all this is true, does Elky and/or Smuft want ilnp on the team so bad? Mani~
They don't Want ilnp on the team, they just want to keep the money to themselves.
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lol i was just thinking of doing that
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Venice in this day and age money makes the world go 'round, not friends, so if there is something you know, it's not fair to the 200+ people who payed $20 to play in this WDT. And from some of the countries some of these people who played WDT are from, $20 is a shit load of money to them and to fuck them out of it just isn't fair at all. Making 200++ people happy is alot better than keeping 2 world known BW players as ur friends, because they won't always be ur friends.
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please dont be mean just because is Testie. So who can it be if it isnt dudey?
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Osaka26946 Posts
On April 27 2003 01:06 RaGe wrote: Show nested quote +On April 27 2003 00:18 Manifesto7 wrote: "He does T_T!" (my words that I am judging off of a couple suspicious replays he had vs assem in tvt, which could very well be me totally wrong seeing as suspicious things are sometimes bound to happen in tvt and considering when i played him and 4-1'd him or so.. i was not too suspicious he hacked) SO YES IT WAS WRONG OF ME TO SAY HE DOES"
Nice to see someone in the BW community step up and take responsibility for their actions for once. My question is, why, if all this is true, does Elky and/or Smuft want ilnp on the team so bad? Mani~ They don't Want ilnp on the team, they just want to keep the money to themselves.
Rage- When I later learned that supposedly there was no one going to Korea, my next post was " What does dudley gain from all this.. a cut of the money" Mani~
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omg when i look at those results... it cant be banana.milk playing. just look at his ladderstats. i dont think there can be another european playing for him though. i haven't heard of any _GOOD_ european zergs except the ones who are already out. time will show i guess...
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most likely either jinnam or jinsu. if naz knew, the whole dream team had to have benefitted from the money.
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If Jinsu Plays for ILNP then its cLear why all the maps are ZERG maps no?
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HAHAHAH does this surprise ANYONE?
is there anyone in the fucking community with even an ounce of respect for smuft anyway? he's the biggest prick around.
everyone knows dudey sucks. dudey can't fight his way out of a fucking paper bag. if anyone remembers in the comp usa ladder when kevin had some pro play for him, dudey stuck up for him saying it was smart thing to do to ensure a win and he'd do the saem thing =( give me a fuckin break.
naz, i'd be ashamed to be associated with this bullshit if i were you, and i'd be even more ashamed if i knew what was going on and didn't tell anyone -_-
a lot of people put up money to play in this and now everyone who had a chance at winning is getting fucked out of their money.
i knew this whole thing was a joke when it became apparent smuft was the only one making decisions and running the show. i have no respect for the dream team =(
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On April 27 2003 01:19 HnR)Louder wrote: dudey can't fight his way out of a fucking paper bag.
with scissors in his hands!
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To Venice: It's not cool that u said that shit to me on MSN, I'm trying to help your ass and all you can say is a bunch of bullshit. You did what was right.
Nazgul-I respect you more now to, telling Venice what was going on was the right thing to do because you obviously told the right person because he did the right thing.
You all are focusing on the wrong part of this. Don't you take into consideration about Onurb and Eki of WGtour.com? They let them host this scam on their server, without WGTour's hosting this plan never would have come thru. So there are 4 culporates, and not one of those 4 is Nazgul or Venice. So it's obvious that those 4 are Elky, smuft, Onurb, and Eki. I'm not at all surprised that Elky was the creator of this plan seeing as how he has handled himself in KBK Jeju, but abusing is totally different than taking $20 from some people who are from countries where $20 maybe a month of full time work.
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How the fuck you bring Onurb and Eki into this Rage I'll never know.
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Onurb and Eki have to pay a fortune just to host WGTour. They don't even get any money out of this. Nothing is wrong with them.
And we can't sue WDTour. It promised a ladder for $20.
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Belgium8305 Posts
Yeah the WGTour admins totally didn't agree with pretty much all of Smuft's actions before... they have nothing to do with it.
Also the "taking $20 from some people who are from countries where $20 maybe a month of full time work" is pretty much exaggerated, if they can afford to buy a comp, I think they can pay up 20$ -_-
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I'd like to thank Kiddie for telling the truth.
I don't blame anyone at this, but I feel that WDT fooled us.
It's pretty clear now that this was a scam. What we should do other than complain and add more theories is we should find a way to fix this problem. We shouldn't find someone to blame, we should find a way to make this better.
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As for legal action, the case would not be for the entry fee. It would be for the time loss. Someone could reasonably claim 1,000 hours time loss, which would net at least $6,000. Or if that failed, send them to jail for Fraud. Would have to take place in America though, and have a good lawyer.
I can't see any legal action being taken over this though.
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you can easily sue for fraud or punitive damages. "I could have been working instead of spending time playing this ladder." (I dont think suing is the answer) 50 players comming together and getting a lawyer would be cost effective, even though it would be time consuming.
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On April 27 2003 01:46 dekaN wrote: And we can't sue WDTour. It promised a ladder for $20.
It also promised through means of a binding contract that the winner would be flown to Korea. If that prize is refused, even if you yourself are not the winner, you can sue for fraud and ask any reasonable amount per hour for time loss ("I would have been working overtime if not for it...").
But I can't see anyone suing over it...a punch in the face, maybe
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Just email AMD, they rely on their sponsorship and this clearly reflects VERY poorly on AMD that they would sponsor people who act like this...
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anyway, its always good to see the other side of the bracket and watch good games and good intentions...
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yes i bet you like would love to watch elky and smuft :[[[ you sick fuk
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On April 27 2003 02:16 rK wrote: If that prize is refused, even if you yourself are not the winner, you can sue for fraud and ask any reasonable amount per hour for time loss
and if dudey refuse to go to korea? thats what they want. so u cant sue them.
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Jamers pointed me to this and i have to thank him. It was rather entertaining. I thought this tourny became bullcrap after the testie crap(sorry dude everyone knows u hack). I dont know if what is said about this tourny is true or not but i still feel sorry for u guys. I saw how many games you all played and how much time each of you invested.
Id like to clear some misconceptions you all have about the Korean experience. The players there and the people on this forum seem to glamorize it without knowing anything about it. It is definately not something you should dedicate your lives to.
Several of you want to go to Korea and win lots of money but in reality you cannot. Face the truth. You have been playing for 4 years straight and you are still not a top player. Going to korea will not change anything. You will not storm onto the scene and win tournament after tournament. You will not win any tournaments nor will you place high in any ladder.
All but a handful of pro gamers make less than a full time mcdonalds employee. You will definately not make any money from this experience.
If winning tournaments and money is not your motivation and adventure is then fine. You can save yourself the bullshit and finance your own trip to Korea. Looking at the ladder i saw several people with hundreds of games. You could earn a couple thousand and go it on your own. It is not hard.
After several months of being in Korea i personally felt sick. I couldnt get over the fact that my life was meaningless there. I was not doing anything worthwhile except playing games. Do you all want to be 30 year old pro gamers?
No one spoke english. All there is to do in Korea is to play games and go to night clubs to try to screw korean sluts. Is that worth your time?
Korea is a very dirty place. It is a third world country. Granted it has its nice parts but for the most part it is very poor and dirty. Almost everyone of you here are from very rich countries, Holland, USA, Canada, etc. Why would you want to move? There is a life outside of your bedroom, trust me you dont have to go to korea to find it.
In short none of you are going to do what grrr did. NONE of you. Do not try. If it is a scam you lost your 20 dollars and your hours of gaming, get over it, its gone.
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Yea, I mainly use ICQ but occasionally come on msn Mbombach@hotmail.com
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On April 27 2003 02:25 AgonyRush wrote: and if dudey refuse to go to korea? thats what they want. so u cant sue them.
Yeah
Too bad Tomson isn't Boxer's brother or something ^^
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Its always awesome when we get some nice solid advice from Maynard O_O
-listening to tool as we speak
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On April 27 2003 02:32 Maynard wrote: Several of you want to go to Korea and win lots of money but in reality you cannot. Face the truth. You have been playing for 4 years straight and you are still not a top player. Going to korea will not change anything. You will not storm onto the scene and win tournament after tournament. You will not win any tournaments nor will you place high in any ladder.
That was very uplifting =[
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Osaka26946 Posts
Its realistic. The time for storming the pro SC scene in Korea is over. However, I did enjoy my time in Korea (although I didnt live there so maybe that was the difference). I found the Korean "sluts" very entertaining, and that in the major cities, there were quite a few people who spoke at least a little english. I have a friend teaching english there right now, and he is also enjoying it. As for being third world, the air sucks, the food is great, and if you can live without your swiffer wetjet, you will probably be fine.
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tool is the greatest band ^^
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On April 27 2003 02:18 Hades wrote: Just email AMD, they rely on their sponsorship and this clearly reflects VERY poorly on AMD that they would sponsor people who act like this... kiddie said that their manager didnt approve it so it technically isnt amd's fault.
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Have both Testi and Dudey play re-game and have a webb camera beside them while theya re playing. You cannot denie your own eyes.
Meanwhile they are gaming with webb cameras beside them, 2 admins of WDT will observ them throw msn (or something). Since the webb camera is moveble testi and dudey can easily show them type in their password or film the names in the games, write "hi" on commands.
Cuse the "korean" cant be sitting at home where dudey lives? . .
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On April 27 2003 02:32 Maynard wrote: Jamers pointed me to this and i have to thank him. It was rather entertaining. I thought this tourny became bullcrap after the testie crap(sorry dude everyone knows u hack). I dont know if what is said about this tourny is true or not but i still feel sorry for u guys. I saw how many games you all played and how much time each of you invested.
Id like to clear some misconceptions you all have about the Korean experience. The players there and the people on this forum seem to glamorize it without knowing anything about it. It is definately not something you should dedicate your lives to.
Several of you want to go to Korea and win lots of money but in reality you cannot. Face the truth. You have been playing for 4 years straight and you are still not a top player. Going to korea will not change anything. You will not storm onto the scene and win tournament after tournament. You will not win any tournaments nor will you place high in any ladder.
All but a handful of pro gamers make less than a full time mcdonalds employee. You will definately not make any money from this experience.
If winning tournaments and money is not your motivation and adventure is then fine. You can save yourself the bullshit and finance your own trip to Korea. Looking at the ladder i saw several people with hundreds of games. You could earn a couple thousand and go it on your own. It is not hard.
After several months of being in Korea i personally felt sick. I couldnt get over the fact that my life was meaningless there. I was not doing anything worthwhile except playing games. Do you all want to be 30 year old pro gamers?
No one spoke english. All there is to do in Korea is to play games and go to night clubs to try to screw korean sluts. Is that worth your time?
Korea is a very dirty place. It is a third world country. Granted it has its nice parts but for the most part it is very poor and dirty. Almost everyone of you here are from very rich countries, Holland, USA, Canada, etc. Why would you want to move? There is a life outside of your bedroom, trust me you dont have to go to korea to find it.
In short none of you are going to do what grrr did. NONE of you. Do not try. If it is a scam you lost your 20 dollars and your hours of gaming, get over it, its gone.
just cant stop lovin may tho id like to go to korea for few month to play my fave game. especially cos i like asian girlz-_- and dirt doest scare me! i live in brooklyn! lol
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MURICA15980 Posts
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1st=South Korea isn't third world, its economy has boosted in the last two decades and its GDP Per Capita is like 12 times higher now than in 1980. 2nd=I have viewed several sites, pieced together lots of stuff, and this is why i agree with most of you: a. Dudey, who hasn't been known as a great player, and has struggled in nation wars, suddenly just starts owning every player. b. All of the maps are leaned towards zerg, only reasonable one is bifrost, where T has a chance. c. Ret beat "dudey" and it was immediatly called hack and they regamed. d. They gave korean time for the tourney, although at the beginning i read the intro and it specifically said: "This is an oppertunity for the best NON-KOREAN player get recognized" e. All this stuff about logging and relogging with different lag bars is wierd. f. How could dudey magically forget english? Do you people remember rekrul vs elky liquibition, dudey wrote the report in place of rekrul due to a "sore anus" and like 500 people were like OMGGG DUDEY YOU OWN PLEASE WRITE MORE STUFF FOR US AHHH!! 3rd=I respect Liquid.Venice for being honest, and i think you people should lay off nazgul. After coming this far, something tells me hes not willing to risk his pro gaming career so elky and smuft can make some money.
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To all those that continue to flame Testie: Please give the man a break. Testie has hacked. Yes he has admitted it and done his damn time for the crime. The hacking incident occurred years ago, many of you dont even realize that. Lets drop the issue now ok? I game with Testie on damn near a regular basis and he has done nothing but be respectful and enjoyable to game with. I have observed him game and not once, let me make this clear, NOT ONCE did i witness a fishy move or strat that could not be attributed to intelligent gaming. Also, if Testie shares his in deapth knowlege on bw, you best pay the fuck attention Testie will not disagree (however my wording may be more harsh than he prefers) His life is bw, he logs in more hours than any of you (minus the pro's that frequent this site Naz etc...) and he prides himself on his knowlege of the game. In fact his largest fits of anger i have witnessed have been due to losing to "someone who doesnt understand bw like he does" SO plz stop flaming his one mistake in the bw world. Granted it was huge but if u have ever spent time with Testie u will know he has more than payed his dues and is one hell of a personality to add to the flavor of this bw community. As for WDT? (may i add my 2 cents) Human nature at its most horrifically lowest level has been demonstrated. Two people already enjoying a life that many have placed as a top priority to attempt to achieve, have taken advantage of their power to make a (relatively speaking) low amount of money. I truely enjoy WGT and further, i have enjoyed observering the great games in WDT. But if you want some advice, do what i have always said. Pay the money for the game and than let that be it. When money gets involved all bets are off. All "friends" are gone. Money rules most people, and in a impersonal atmosphere like battlenet scamming people out of money is really not something the culprets will lose sleep over. If you actually read my babble...i ty its nice to vent. Also remember my opinions are always up to suggestion i will not claim to be the wisest soul here. I simply had a piece of mind. Thank you!
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To iNcontroL88:
Well said.
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Message to testie: I feel so sorry for you man.. I feel like sticking my sholder out and letting you cry on it. This was your big chance of your dream coming true.. Going to Korea.. And these mother fuckers Elky and Smuft wanted to just make some easy cash and in effect ruining all your fucking dreams. And I belive its the reason Kiddie left liquid/bw? Man.. So pissed off and sad for the players. I think they should at least ban ilnp and go back to what testie suggested under "1" on first post on this topic.. Man.. Even if they don't win anything for winning, at least finnish this tourny.. Veg shouldn't be out, testie shouldn't be out, fisheye shouldn't be out, all players I respect to..
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Bill307
Canada9103 Posts
This topic is ridiculous. Almost all of the people who replied did so after hearing only one side (or rather, a few similar sides) of the story. How can one reach a conclusion without hearing what the accused has to say? If you guys were a jury, then you would have just convicted someone without even hearing their defense.
Now, I won't lie and try to put myself above all of this. I, myself, was beginning to believe everything that was going on until I read Rekrul's defense of ilnp. My message is aimed at anyone who hasn't realized yet that it was foolish of them to jump to conclusions about what exactly has just occurred.
After some 8 months of reading the material on this forum, I've learned to reserve my judgements about other people despite what "everyone" says about them. Hopefully, many of you will walk away from this incident having learned to reserve your judgements as well, until you are sufficiently informed to make them.
As for my stance on this whole debate, I am undecided, and I will probably never choose a side. I see myself in no position to make any judgements, here. Fortunately, I don't need to determine what exactly is true, i.e. what I eventually decide is probably not going to make a difference. Therefore, there is no need for me to be decisive. However, I hope that those who are in positions where their judgements will matter will in the end arrive at the correct decisions.
Now, I will wait and see how this continues to unfold and develop.
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I don't understand why the hell everyone is waiting for some sort of "solution". It's as simple as this, Dudey (or Jinnam, or jinsu) will play tomson in the finals, winner will go to korea or wont go to korea depending on what happens with the sponsorship. This is all just allegations...and while there is alot of circumstantial evidence, there is nothing warranting anyone is expecting some sort of "solution".
The tournament wont be replayed, that's just pure idiocy. Ret isn't going to get another series vs dudey, thats just pure idiocy. And no one is going to get their money back, as it is its going to be quite difficult sending the winner to korea anyway. Yeah ret got fucked, oh well, shit happens, I'm sorry ret but it's not like you lost all that much from it anyway, $20 is nothing.
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sry for the flame... that was just disrespectful.
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On April 27 2003 07:36 Keanu_Reaver wrote: I don't understand why the hell everyone is waiting for some sort of "solution". It's as simple as this, Dudey (or Jinnam, or jinsu) will play tomson in the finals, winner will go to korea or wont go to korea depending on what happens with the sponsorship. This is all just allegations...and while there is alot of circumstantial evidence, there is nothing warranting anyone is expecting some sort of "solution".
The tournament wont be replayed, that's just pure idiocy. Ret isn't going to get another series vs dudey, thats just pure idiocy. And no one is going to get their money back, as it is its going to be quite difficult sending the winner to korea anyway. Yeah ret got fucked, oh well, shit happens, I'm sorry ret but it's not like you lost all that much from it anyway, $20 is nothing. you say $20 bucks is nothing. i wouldnt mind spending 20 bucks and losing fair and square. but he didnt pay 20 bucks to get cheated. Thats like you going out and buying say something simple as a cheap CD player. if you get home and it doesnt work you wont just be like "oh well". If you buy a car and it breaks down in 2 days you dont say "oh well". Its not how much, its the principle of the matter.
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Keanu is kinda right. nothin is gonna change.
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well even is this was rigged, its stupid for elky and smuft because dudey said he'll go if he wins. either way they dont keep the money.
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oh yeah and KeanuReaver is an idiot (judging from that post) .
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MURICA15980 Posts
I don't know why ppl keep saying ilnp sucks. obviously he proved otherwise. (but if you insist it wasn't him playing, he still beat Veg 2-0)
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Just have a look ... What happened with SuKeR when he went to korea? He went world top #16, didn't he? And SuperEd (also known as ZelotITO or Born2March) ... was 2nd in Spain also loosing his final SPAIN WCG by 0-1 (by coming from loser bracket) 1-1 (winning his first) 2-1 (winning her second) 2-2 (loosing SuKeR's 2nd attempt by coming from winner) He is the best Protoss user in Spain. But what happens if the tournaments takes place online? People is able to hack ... people is able to change nicks with other ones without being known their change (so also without getting punished ... not fair men ...) So ... SuKeR wents top 16 ... and in a top 32 tournament gets out in first round ...
And with Born2March ? he has been top #WDT for more than a week ... he finally end 3rd I think ... (if not, he was in top#5) what happens ... here comes Banana.Milk (#28) with 98-92 (ah ... and also have a look at his mail --> Email : .............. chojjajejja@yahoo.com - No comments ... if it was a joke ... bad luck for him-) SuKeR[pG] 3-3 Banana.Milk (not bad ... was he the player or no?) ... let's see against Born2March - 0-0 no games played ... I think he won Testie ... during games in WDT Testie 2-0 Banana.Milk
Before posting here I saw someplace that Banana.Milk was ilnp ... but also his nick was chojja's look at this ... (from nation wars in wgt -- USA team A vs Spain team A) ilnp 1 - 2 uT)ZelotITO ... the only game ZelotITO lost was on plains to hill ... and really the worst game I've ever seen from him ... the other 2 ... ilnp nwb?
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Canada27 Posts
if all the kids that dont know what they are talking about could jsut shut their mouths for a second. that would be great, really
venice you did the right thing, you show that you are a person who has higher and stronger principles than the average joe,
thank god i quit bw, so i dont have to deal with this type of useless shit anymore
-Cia
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just one question...how did dudey go from being good to super gosu? either he practiced like hell for the past few weeks, or he was really lucky, or the other players suck... im not saying dudey sucks or anything, infact hes one of the best players in US. still... how is it possible for him to get so good all of a sudden( maybe others play like shit?)...just seems a bit strange. anyways, please keep posting and clear things up. =)
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Wow you guys totally miss interpreted my post, and you call me an idiot.
My point is, NOTHING IS GOING TO CHANGE. People keep coming up with these lame solution posts for no reason what so ever...do you think Elky or Smuft is going to come here, read your post, and suddenly have this massive change of heart and go with your idea? Give me a fucking break, don't be so damned naive.
And yes, it is $20, don't give me this bullshit about wasted time...so they spent alot of time playing a video game in a tournament, what would they do if they didn't have the tournament? Oh...play the fucking video game anyway! Wow isn't logic wonderful?
So what about this principle of the matter? The only person out of everyone here that was screwed is Ret, and yeah I feel sorry for him...but as for the others, if they can't compete at all vs a pro korean zerg then why the hell are they trying to win a tournament to become a korean pro? Get the fuck over it because nothing is going to change. It's as simple as that.
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seems to me that if jinam plowed tru all the players like that they didnt have anything to do in korea anyway
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He went world top #16, didn't he? no he didnt, cause only 4 koreans participated, and top30+ in the world are koreans
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anyway, i really doubt banana.milk is chojja, as you can change you e-mail after registration
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more than top 30 in the world are koreans
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well ... so top #16 without koreans ... he would be uhm ... top 12 ? i think all 4 koreans were in better positions than top 16 so ... top 12 of the world (without korea)
but this is difficult to know ... what should wcg do? call all bw players in each country and make a giant tourney ? would be so difficult to organise ... then we would know the ranking but till then no ...
and I don't think this would happen ...
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LOL HELLGHOST YOU KNEW EVERYTHING THAT THIS FUCKING TOURNEY IS A FAKE DONT YOU? HELLGHOST CAN KICK ALL YOU FUCKING ASSES HEY NAZGUL YOU LOST THAT GAME MAN FUCK YOU.
BRAZIL THE BEST BROOD WAR SOCCER WOMEN JIU JITSU COUNTRY IN THE WORLD
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wow, Templar ur so cool. Can i be ur friend?
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where can one get the replays of the games between ace and dudey?
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I will try to respond to every post that I see fit here..
On April 27 2003 00:05 SoA.Testie wrote: After hearing this vote 1 or 2.
Dudey::: Fake. Note: I was unaware of this since I was out of bnet politics for a long time, but noticed that Dudey has had a long history of trying to cheat in tournaments.
Elky doesn't care. This was a set up. We were essentially robbed. It is true. At first I was the biggest skeptic of it, and had no clue.
Ret vs Dudey 2-1.. dudey claims hack. I /w "What is taking so long...?" Elky> "Hack accusations" Testie> "Ret" Testie> "He does T_T!" (my words that I am judging off of a couple suspicious replays he had vs assem in tvt, which could very well be me totally wrong seeing as suspicious things are sometimes bound to happen in tvt and considering when i played him and 4-1'd him or so.. i was not too suspicious he hacked) So yes it was wrong of me to say he does
After he 2-1's Dudey, ret loses 0-2. And he has a friend who is sitting next to him while he games him. And his friend says "This is not the same player at all.." and he likewise agrees. Something has changed. Dudey logs off Speaks great english again. Time to game testie. Dudey logs on. (Note: Different lag bars every time he logs on and off)
Note: ElkY gives ret the BM message "play or be disqualified" (After he wins 2-1?!!?) ODD! So, on the basis of my words ElkY will make dudey replay ret, yet on the basis of the whole channels word against dudey (after they are sure he is fake) they will not make him replay ret?
Dudey magically forgets the english language, has no typing speed what so ever because he is likely getting what to say from dudey through whispers (when he had dnd on.. he refused to talk)
So Testie vs Dudey round one. Testie plays like shit and dies anyway, sure that's normal. But he is like "Wow.. this is dudey? He's gotten a lot better.." (Not dudey playing, get the hint?)
I am then messaged by more than one person on dudeys /f list that they are 100% sure he is fake. And he is /f ring his friends so they don't notice him log on / off as much. Then after a LOT of time and trouble... dudey continually relogs as needed to keep proving it's him.
Just then! Testie with the channel pretty sure it isn't dudey.. ElkY "Play him or be disqualified" Testie> "It's not him!@#%%" ElkY "Join his game" Testie> "..." ElkY "Thank u for ur cooperation."
Testie vs Dudey round two... A little suspicious tvz on nostalgia. Without proper scouting he just builds 20 or so lings and runs up my ramp. I played vs thewind, gyuntae, and many other amazing zergs to practice on that map and you do not see them just build 24 lings to run up someones ramp. Because it is A: Stupid and basing the game off luck instead of skill. B: Not a smart idea without the correct amount of scouting. All he saw was me 2 raxing. But seeing as you can just say "oh he was just testing ramp" I won't go into detail.
In Dudeys profile there is now a picture of Testie.jpg that says "TESTIE IS BEING A NIGGER" with his face beside it on his desk top. Now he relogs again.
Now despite many many many accusations in the channel that it isn't dudey, ElkY just continually says "prove it. prove it. prove it."
So, now after this game.. dudey logs off. Relogs. And Rekrul tells him to take a picture of the screen with his face beside it (after he logged off) and he did that and veg is likely playing the real dudey (probably with a hack) right now. So everyone who played "dudey" got horribly, horribly screwed by this scam.
Options. 1: Let it be Testie vs Ret instead of Dudey seeing as it is known he cheated.
2: Let this horrid injustice go, and say "oh well! we know he did it but fuck, I don't like testie anyway even though he has never spit in my hair for the past couple years."
I have no opinion on the Dudey issue (yet). I haven't been back (went away for the weekend with Korean friends) long enough to know what exactly is going on.
Both options are ridiculous. I would go for something along the lines of option 1 IF IT'S SOMEHOW PROVEN OR VERY CLEAR (as I said I haven't got an opinion on it, yet). However option 1 is stupid as well. First of all someone else should play Bor2March and winner of those should play Ret. Not Ret vs Testie, that's just ridiculous.
Note for all you people who seem to make their jobs out of putting people down: I am not voicing my opinion on the issue; I am merely stating that option 1 is not a valid one.
I also find it quite funny that Testie was like the main supporter of Assem in the whole abuse thing. Saying that there was no proof and he therefor should not be banned. Talking about "no proof" what do you have against Dudey? Sad to see that you change like day and night to help out your friend Assem. Hypocrite.
On April 27 2003 00:14 Hades wrote: I personally like Testie, I just find it kinda ironic and "Karmatic" that it was slightly based on his hack accusations vs Ret (I dont blame him for this, even that replay vs Dudey does look a lil suspicious) but then instead of playing Ret or Dudey based partly on his accusation he faces Progamer/Hacking zerg... Hopefully Elky/Smuft/Dudey dont get away clean... I was looking forward to seeing Testie go to Korea, not just because I like him but also because of Nazguls reaction :p My return-ticket is set for 24th of March, so I'm not going to be in Korea when whoever comes comes. Besides that I'm sure I would get along just fine with Testie.
On April 27 2003 00:18 Liquid.Venice wrote: fuck it this thing is bullshit
im really sorry nazgul
but this is too much people paid money for this.
The whole thing is bullshit, elky and smuft never got full permission from their manager. The winner isnt joining the dream team.
As sad as it is elky and smuft are probably having jinnam(who is on the dream team) play for ilnp so there is no winner and they dont have the problem of telling the winner they arent going to korea. There was a missunderstanding during the middle of the season where my manager and Elky and Smuft had a disagreement over WDT. My manager said cancel. Elky and Smuft decided that they wanted to keep the opportunity, for all those people who tried so hard. They were planning on informing the winner about this when the time was right. He is still going to Korea, the only difference is that he will not join the team.
Imagine what would've happened if they released this? They didn't want to disappoint everyone who put in not only time, but money as well.
I have known about this since then. I decided not to tell anyone, not even my closest friends (yes it's possible to have those on the internet). Why you ask? Because every single one of them wanted to go to Korea to persue the career of a progamer. If I told them there was a chance they would stop caring, but I wanted them to win this. Put this tournament at their name. Tomas, Rekrul, Kiddie, Veg and others. I would've loved seeing them take this victory home. THAT is the reason I kept it to myself. Nothing else, just that.
To think Jinnam is playing for Dudey is utterly ridiculous. Whether he's got someone else playing for him - I don't know. All I know is that Jinnam has got absolutely nothing to do with this and the winner will be send to Korea.
Does any of you honestly think they would set up a huge scam just to get some money? Well, If you do; you are wrong.
On April 27 2003 00:23 Sadist wrote: Now it makes sense why nazgul was like "Im not a part of this dont talk to me about it, etc" right when the season started, he probably knew about it the entire time would've made sense
Not true, however. I indeed said that right when it started. I, as was everyone else, was under the impression the winner would join our team. Nothing more to it. I said it, because the organisation layed and still lays in Elky's and Smuft's hands. Because I knew that I would not be able to make a difference in certain future decisions (i.e. Dudey, Assem, map choices) I have stated from the start I did not have anything to do with the organisation.
On April 27 2003 00:26 Liquid.Venice wrote: DO NOT put ANY blame on nazgul.
he never wanted ANYTHING to do with this and was in a horrible position, and it was really hard for me to decide whether or not to say this because it puts him in a very bad position, and i am very sorry.
he shouldnt have told me.
The reason I told you (you know it, others don't) was to make you feel better after it seemed you were going to be excluded from the final tournament over a stupid decision. You did wrong posting it like this. Especially with the assumption of Jinnam playing in it. I never told you that. I specifically told you the winner would still be going to Korea. If he wanted that is.
On April 27 2003 00:50 Hades wrote: You could have waited... Giving someones word that you wont tell may not mean a lot to you, but I like to stick by my promises unless it is absolutely necessary not to.
You telling was perhaps the right thing to do. The point is it wasnt your right to tell because you were told in confidence from one of your good friends and you promised him not to tell. You didnt even talk to him before telling people. Why couldnt you wait a day or two and talk to Naz before telling? I think that he probably would have told himself after seeing all of this. You didnt give him that opportunity, and now you look like a savior and Naz looks like a jerk. He obviously did the wrong thing. The ONLY thing that has changed is the player not joining Dream Team. Elky and Smuft were going to 'announce' this anyway. They just wanted to wait so that everything would be ran smoothly (I can see the ironny in that). How can any of you possibly say people got ripped off (EXCEPT FOR RET, as said before I do not want to go into Dudey's case now). You played the ladder, winner is still going to Korea.
Hades is right that Venice shouldn't have posted this. Why? Because he made people think there was something going on that there is not. Especially the part about Jinnam was low, very low. People do stupid things sometimes and I wish Venice hadn't left Liquid. He's a good kid and has some great BW potential.
On April 27 2003 01:19 Strafe[iR] wrote: If Jinsu Plays for ILNP then its cLear why all the maps are ZERG maps no? The maps are favoring Zerg and Terran because they would like to see a Zerg win. They are of the opinion that the chances are a Protoss player making it would have a much, much harder time doing good in Korea. They are right on this. I personally think that the fact that the maps in Korea suck shouldn't affect the tournament they are running, however I can also see their point of view and agree that if you're aiming for a player to do good a Zerg/Terran has better chances (in general).
On April 27 2003 07:27 Bill307 wrote: This topic is ridiculous. Almost all of the people who replied did so after hearing only one side (or rather, a few similar sides) of the story. How can one reach a conclusion without hearing what the accused has to say? If you guys were a jury, then you would have just convicted someone without even hearing their defense.
Very right.
Venice did the right thing?
On April 27 2003 00:18 Liquid.Venice wrote: The whole thing is bullshit, elky and smuft never got full permission from their manager. The winner isnt joining the dream team. "bullshit", "isnt joining the dream team". He is simply 'forgetting' to mention to you guys that the player IS going to Korea.
As sad as it is elky and smuft are probably having jinnam(who is on the dream team) play for ilnp so there is no winner and they dont have the problem of telling the winner they arent going to korea. This part of the message is just completely made up? How did he do the 'right' thing here? All he caused was/is confusion and people being mad over something that there is not.
Imagine what kind of shit they would get if noone went to Korea. Does any of you honestly think this would be worth it for them? Elky's reputation gone to hell over some money? Less than his monthly pay-check from AMD?
Think about it.
Yes they should've let Ret advance. I agree. That's all there is to it. They are idiots if they don't come back on this decision, but certainly do not deserve the shit some of you guys are giving them.
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"The maps are favoring Zerg and Terran because they would like to see a Zerg win. They are of the opinion that the chances are a Protoss player making it would have a much, much harder time doing good in Korea." Oh well, so you are saying that Protoss SUX? Lol... Tell esu.Draco about that who paid U$ 20 without knowing the final maps.
En Taro Adun Executor.
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Nazgul, the fact that they were goign to korea is said in the terms of the tournament. Its not my duty to recite the terms and prize of the WDT tournament.
And the part about Jinnam was not very, very low. It was not a personal attack. It was an assumption based on logic which is as good as a person can do in this situation.
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I'm sorry guys, but Jinnam playing for ilnp? I don't see how you could look at it as anything except "far-fetched"...
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cyric, when something makes perfect sense logically its not far fetched.
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On April 27 2003 13:01 TemplarSww wrote: "The maps are favoring Zerg and Terran because they would like to see a Zerg win. They are of the opinion that the chances are a Protoss player making it would have a much, much harder time doing good in Korea." Oh well, so you are saying that Protoss SUX? Lol... Tell esu.Draco about that who paid U$ 20 without knowing the final maps.
En Taro Adun Executor.
yep which is why I don't agree with it
but I'm sure a smart person like you can understand where they're coming from?
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"makes perfect sense logically"?
Personally, I don't see it anywhere near that level of logical sense, but that's just me. The "facts" that support this claim seem a bit weak to me and it seems like a pretty unstable case. But again, that's just me.
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no probably it wasn't jinnam playing for banana but still someone very very good played instead of this guy. Cause a player who wents like 50% win 50% loss in the ladder doesn't suddenly beat topplayers like testie and veg 2-0. Wtf he was almost untouched in this games, he just owned them.
Something is very odd here, very, very odd
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Fact: he played himself against Veg
I don't have an opinion on it, but I and you too should atleast be reasonable enough to recognize the facts.
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As sad as it is elky and smuft are probably having jinnam(who is on the dream team) play for ilnp so there is no winner and they dont have the problem of telling the winner they arent going to korea.
There was a missunderstanding during the middle of the season where my manager and Elky and Smuft had a disagreement over WDT. My manager said cancel. Elky and Smuft decided that they wanted to keep the opportunity, for all those people who tried so hard. They were planning on informing the winner about this when the time was right. He is still going to Korea, the only difference is that he will not join the team.
Imagine what would've happened if they released this? They didn't want to disappoint everyone who put in not only time, but money as well.
I have known about this since then. I decided not to tell anyone, not even my closest friends (yes it's possible to have those on the internet). Why you ask? Because every single one of them wanted to go to Korea to persue the career of a progamer. If I told them there was a chance they would stop caring, but I wanted them to win this. Put this tournament at their name. Tomas, Rekrul, Kiddie, Veg and others. I would've loved seeing them take this victory home. THAT is the reason I kept it to myself. Nothing else, just that.
Better to lie to people who have paid $20 than saying the truth ? So then if they went to trial ... what they would say ? It was for their best? I don't think so ... And what would happen with all people who tried so hard and had paid $20 (it isn't so much but to get lied ... better 4 free) understanding if they won they would go to korea and join dream team ? now are upset about it ...
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Bit weird If the winner isn't going to join the Dream Team why would u bother making the maps pro-zerg so he could do better in tournaments???
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Last one! Not so much U$ 20? MAN, in Brazil you can buy a COMPUTER with U$ 100 that runs BroodWar (P166MMX) with this money.
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in Spain you can buy few chewing gums ...
life is live man ...
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On April 27 2003 13:36 ShAsTa wrote: Bit weird If the winner isn't going to join the Dream Team why would u bother making the maps pro-zerg so he could do better in tournaments???
Thats the most interesting question I heard.
The winner isnt joining the dream team yet smuft directly told me he didnt want a protoss to win.
And for all you fags out there, IM NOT CLAIMING ANYTHING.
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Protoss players must feel jewed... The mere fact that the u have admitted it was favoured towards zerg players is 'evidence' enough this tourny was a scam... So pretty much now whoever wins is just getting a ticket to korea and they're on their own from there? What a joke this is... Glad i dont take BW that seriously... :7
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Quote Nazgul:
"bullshit", "isnt joining the dream team". He is simply 'forgetting' to mention to you guys that the player IS going to Korea.
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You say that a vacation to Korea (playing as a freelancer seems pretty ... no-no.) would make up for not getting to join the dream team? Give me a break. They can put out the return-ticket on 2 weeks after arrival, probably that poor bastard has already got tired of Korea by then anyway. It's a bit of defending elky/smuft from your side, which I, from reading this thread (meaning, Testies version practically), do not agree with.
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near xD it was [ QUOTE ] [ /QUOTE ]
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On April 27 2003 15:59 Marinmo wrote: Quote Nazgul: "bullshit", "isnt joining the dream team". He is simply 'forgetting' to mention to you guys that the player IS going to Korea. /Quote You say that a vacation to Korea (playing as a freelancer seems pretty ... no-no.) would make up for not getting to join the dream team? Give me a break. They can put out the return-ticket on 2 weeks after arrival, probably that poor bastard has already got tired of Korea by then anyway. It's a bit of defending elky/smuft from your side, which I, from reading this thread (meaning, Testies version practically), do not agree with.
I'll respond to this copy pasting something I posted in the other thread
Holiday trip? You can take it that whoever goes will be in a situation common to what Legionnaire and Razor are in (GAMING WISE). They played Ongamenet trials, they played GhemTV trials, they have played iTV trials (twice). The only thing they have not played are MBC Game trials and of course Team vs Team (there wasn't any team vs team 1 month ago so just pretend it was never there )
I know it's BAD that people get to hear this after the tournament. Yes, it's bullshit too. But really, it was a choice between this and ruining WDT, for them. It sure as hell is not bad enough for me to ruin the tournament and bring it out as if I don't care about anything but my own reputation.
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Yea, is smuft n elky knew the winner wasnt gonna b on the dream team then why would they make all zerg maps to have zerg player win if they wouldnt beable to play in tournaments?
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Damned fucking bad done of Elky, Nazgul, Gundam, Dudey, Smuft and fucking good done of Venice!! Nice to tell us!! GG GL HF Man lets put dudey out of the tourney in the game vs Ace and put Ace vs Tastie!!
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O i meand Jinnam not Gundam
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This guy is maphacking just look at the rep banana milk vs Veg[pg] he goes straigh for SCV who is making CC without actually seeing it i mean not 1 millimeter to the side just straight agains it as soon as Veg tries to make expansion. Also notice how he start making colony and lings as Vegs ds aproaches without scouting it. The Timing he have in the game is also just 2 good to be true. btw it was on the map Dark Sauron i think its called. Could someone else plz check this replay 2 thou i might can be wrong since im not a supergosu player or expert in hackers etc.
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I have a question, You still get the plane ticket to korea(I'm clear on that), but when you are in korea do you still get the paid for house and food? Because I know that the $2540 raised from this isn't enough to pay for all of that, and Smuft and Elky said something to me yesterday about how they had to take money out of their own pockets to help pay for this, so will the house/apartment or w/e and food still be taken care of?
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i have one little idea for all of u who say: ilnp has just 50 50 record and so on.. do u even realise that he 6pooled nearly every game?think about it.
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Okay, since alot of you have wrong information, ill try to sort it out..
This tournament was at first an idea that Smuft & Elky came up with, to help a player to Korea and do his best. The Player would join the DreamTeam and play as a member, for these 2 months. Also the Player would get paid several salaries to perform, and to do whatever he wished.
Smuft presented the idea to Daniel ( DT Manager ), and discussed it through with him. In this case Smuft, has in some way misunderstood Daniel, and started up the Tournament as beeing 'sponsored by DreamTeam'. So somewhere in the middle of the tournament, Smuft finds out Daniel never accepted this deal, and DreamTeam has nothing to do with this Tournament.
However, the concept of the Tournament is still the same, as there has been raised enough money to pay the fees and salaries for one player, for 2 months in Korea.
Also, this player wont be added officially to DreamTeam' rooster, but possibly play all the trials for TV Leagues.
So, dont doubt that a Player will go, cause there will be sent a Player to Korea, wheater or not Tomson or banana.milk is the right persons, I dont wish to discuss, since I dont know enough about the Players.
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The Dream Team has a Rooster?
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LOL what a load of monkey spunk this is, i vote 1 (obviously, only people voting 2 would be those sporting the cool disease "cerebral paulise, and sadly missed the 1 key). smuft, from day one when u used the name lustedsmurf, i knew u were a shady guy. (err.. one hell of a pale ugly mother fuckin shady guy at that) every one knows testie is the better play over dudey, hell that whole fucking bracketlist, is beter than dudey.. like wtf. i beat dudey while taking a month break in a pvz match that i shoulda lost but came back to win with ease.. my dear god. how sad lol some hoola hoop lipped, pordge munchin fat fuck like dudey comes out with a win lol? that guy has fingers that probably weigh in at least 8 pounds each, there is no way he could have played with the fast hand speeds that were used. what nazgul posted, elky, thats the "proof". btw smuft would u be kind enough to tell me ur father or mothers name? it'd save me time. btw what maynard said was well said except the beginning part, basing something off like 3 years ago is kinda sad. these players practiced pretty hard for this thing and got ripped off in a big way, elky/smuft at least redo the brackets on the bottom 16 side of things. the top is fine.. every thing legit up there but u gotta fix ur errors with the bottom portion of brackets.
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I don't think elky's part in this has to do with money. It has to do with a deal he made with the devil. He was A: Helping a friend or trying his best to. Or B: Made a deal with Dudey, whom is evil.
But by Elky's mere actions.. Now common people. WDT-Smuft was WDT-ElkY for certain periods in this tournament.
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Is it really fair to announce to the protoss players that this tourney was designed so that they should not win? Before i knew the maps i had sYs(DUNE) to go far...and he gets eliminated first round. Draco made it to round 3 because he got a round 1 bye. Madcow made it to round 3 and thats basically the best that a toss user got... Personally, i thought toss was gonna do pretty good then i see maps Bifrost, Nostalgia, and Dark Sauron and its over from there.
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U forgot the best protoss willet!!
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draco>>>willet
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On April 27 2003 11:46 esk0 wrote: no he didnt, cause only 4 koreans participated, and top30+ in the world are koreans sure not-.- even in KPGA ranking #13 is Grrr and #19 is Elky
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remember when ilnp said he did everything to prove it was him playing besides videotaping himself. Well, a rich kid like him doesn't have a videotaperecorder? Im bitching now but think about it.
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