His afreeca is afreeca.com/dbsdydx
Seems like he just started to stream on Afreeca too.
For those who don't know him, he was one of the 6 dragons well known for his battle micro.
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Free
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Harem
United States11390 Posts
His afreeca is afreeca.com/dbsdydx Seems like he just started to stream on Afreeca too. For those who don't know him, he was one of the 6 dragons well known for his battle micro. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Free | ||
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hooray! More BW players streaming the better! :D | ||
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He was talking about watching bisu's stream and he was like "his fpv is so amazing hes still so good" lol | ||
endy
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On February 22 2014 13:00 JohnChoi wrote: I dunno like whenever i saw free and the way he reacts when the game doesnt go his way i always thought he was the really vulgar type. seeing him onstream though hes pretty much the most polite person ever lol he's got this innocent vibe about him. He was talking about watching bisu's stream and he was like "his fpv is so amazing hes still so good" lol You could say he's pretty gm. | ||
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JohnChoi
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On February 22 2014 13:06 endy wrote: Show nested quote + On February 22 2014 13:00 JohnChoi wrote: I dunno like whenever i saw free and the way he reacts when the game doesnt go his way i always thought he was the really vulgar type. seeing him onstream though hes pretty much the most polite person ever lol he's got this innocent vibe about him. He was talking about watching bisu's stream and he was like "his fpv is so amazing hes still so good" lol You could say he's pretty gm. LOL punoverwhelming | ||
Fuchsteufelswild
Australia2028 Posts
Woohoo! I was just thinking a couple of days ago that it really seemed a shame that he wasn't in SSL. I'd love it if he could be one of the strongest protosses challenging others! Free hwaiting! Woongjin Stars 화이팅! {Recent SSL spoiler} + Show Spoiler + Now if only PianO and ZerO can avoid some of the particularly silly mistakes they made when getting knocked out, we might have at least one very solid (ex-)Woongjin player of each race! On February 22 2014 12:44 Harem wrote: Free also said that he will play Hiya again on Triathlon once his skill level goes up. I only just watched that and the Iloveoov vs Yellow game on U-boat from 2003 after seeing them mentioned in the MBCGame: In Memoriam thread. A re-match on Triathlon would be excellent, especially as HiyA is now one of the strongest of those playing BW right now. JohnChoi, do you mean he used to make facial expressions that looked like he was thinking vulgar things when after losing games in Proleague and OSLs/MSLs? | ||
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Xiphos
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and former KT's Two punch Terran of Mind + Light will probably still do some ass whooping. And who else have this feeling that Fantasy will return to BW soon? He have been severely under performing in SC2, perhaps we'll see all of former SKT guys in the squat again. | ||
Fuchsteufelswild
Australia2028 Posts
On February 22 2014 13:47 Xiphos wrote: stars have officially assembled all of their former A-teamers back on track. O_O and former KT's Two punch Terran of Mind + Light will probably still do some ass whooping. And who else have this feeling that Fantasy will return to BW soon? He have been severely under performing in SC2, perhaps we'll see all of former SKT guys in the squat again. Soulkey wasn't A-team? Yeah, for some reason I have this feeling that FanTaSy won't be leaving SC2 in a hurry, despite the fact that I think it would be a sensible choice for him. He was arguably the best and otherwise the second best terran at the end of the last exclusively Brood War proleague (I barely watched the hybrid season) so he could probably profit pretty well from coming back. That said, if he doesn't come back in a hurry, it'll be better for most of the zergs out there right now. :Þ | ||
BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES49015 Posts
On February 22 2014 11:25 Grobyc wrote: yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE fuck yeah! | ||
amazingxkcd
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
On February 22 2014 13:50 Fuchsteufelswild wrote: Show nested quote + On February 22 2014 13:47 Xiphos wrote: stars have officially assembled all of their former A-teamers back on track. O_O and former KT's Two punch Terran of Mind + Light will probably still do some ass whooping. And who else have this feeling that Fantasy will return to BW soon? He have been severely under performing in SC2, perhaps we'll see all of former SKT guys in the squat again. Soulkey wasn't A-team? Yeah, for some reason I have this feeling that FanTaSy won't be leaving SC2 in a hurry, despite the fact that I think it would be a sensible choice for him. He was arguably the best and otherwise the second best terran at the end of the last exclusively Brood War proleague (I barely watched the hybrid season) so he could probably profit pretty well from coming back. That said, if he doesn't come back in a hurry, it'll be better for most of the zergs out there right now. :Þ Soulkey was A-Team, had better zvt than zero man | ||
Fuchsteufelswild
Australia2028 Posts
On February 22 2014 13:58 amazingxkcd wrote: Show nested quote + On February 22 2014 13:50 Fuchsteufelswild wrote: On February 22 2014 13:47 Xiphos wrote: stars have officially assembled all of their former A-teamers back on track. O_O and former KT's Two punch Terran of Mind + Light will probably still do some ass whooping. And who else have this feeling that Fantasy will return to BW soon? He have been severely under performing in SC2, perhaps we'll see all of former SKT guys in the squat again. Soulkey wasn't A-team? Yeah, for some reason I have this feeling that FanTaSy won't be leaving SC2 in a hurry, despite the fact that I think it would be a sensible choice for him. He was arguably the best and otherwise the second best terran at the end of the last exclusively Brood War proleague (I barely watched the hybrid season) so he could probably profit pretty well from coming back. That said, if he doesn't come back in a hurry, it'll be better for most of the zergs out there right now. :Þ Soulkey was A-Team, had better zvt than zero man You misunderstand (maybe you didn't read what I was replying to?). I'm questioning Xiphos saying stars have officially assembled all of their former A-teamers back on track. O_O when Soulkey is not playing Brood War. | ||
amazingxkcd
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
On February 22 2014 14:01 Fuchsteufelswild wrote: Show nested quote + On February 22 2014 13:58 amazingxkcd wrote: On February 22 2014 13:50 Fuchsteufelswild wrote: On February 22 2014 13:47 Xiphos wrote: stars have officially assembled all of their former A-teamers back on track. O_O and former KT's Two punch Terran of Mind + Light will probably still do some ass whooping. And who else have this feeling that Fantasy will return to BW soon? He have been severely under performing in SC2, perhaps we'll see all of former SKT guys in the squat again. Soulkey wasn't A-team? Yeah, for some reason I have this feeling that FanTaSy won't be leaving SC2 in a hurry, despite the fact that I think it would be a sensible choice for him. He was arguably the best and otherwise the second best terran at the end of the last exclusively Brood War proleague (I barely watched the hybrid season) so he could probably profit pretty well from coming back. That said, if he doesn't come back in a hurry, it'll be better for most of the zergs out there right now. :Þ Soulkey was A-Team, had better zvt than zero man You misunderstand (maybe you didn't read what I was replying to?). I'm questioning Xiphos saying stars have officially assembled all of their former A-teamers back on track. O_O when Soulkey is not playing Brood War. Ah, but still. Stars finally have a toss player! | ||
JohnChoi
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HyralGambit
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On February 22 2014 14:02 JohnChoi wrote: How are effort and hydra doing? sospa could really use some stronger zergs Effort dropped out of Code A in last place and recently, Hydra dropped out of Code S too. But I agree, stronger Zergs are needed to stop this late mechanics era of Terran, since Killer is too busy with his girlfriend. | ||
castleeMg
Canada745 Posts
On February 22 2014 13:06 endy wrote: Show nested quote + On February 22 2014 13:00 JohnChoi wrote: I dunno like whenever i saw free and the way he reacts when the game doesnt go his way i always thought he was the really vulgar type. seeing him onstream though hes pretty much the most polite person ever lol he's got this innocent vibe about him. He was talking about watching bisu's stream and he was like "his fpv is so amazing hes still so good" lol You could say he's pretty gm. best response ever | ||
L_Master
United States7946 Posts
On February 22 2014 14:02 JohnChoi wrote: How are effort and hydra doing? sospa could really use some stronger zergs God please let EffOrt come to afreeca, that guy was fuckin awesome. I'll never forget drifting off with Flash up 2-0 only to wake up and HOLY SHIT ITS TIED AND HE IS TAKING FLASH TO THE BRINK! Soulkey #1 bestest player of all time, but sadly I think he is too good at sc2 to come back | ||
BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES49015 Posts
On February 22 2014 13:06 endy wrote: Show nested quote + On February 22 2014 13:00 JohnChoi wrote: I dunno like whenever i saw free and the way he reacts when the game doesnt go his way i always thought he was the really vulgar type. seeing him onstream though hes pretty much the most polite person ever lol he's got this innocent vibe about him. He was talking about watching bisu's stream and he was like "his fpv is so amazing hes still so good" lol You could say he's pretty gm. *slow clap* wow. | ||
HyralGambit
2439 Posts
On February 22 2014 15:00 L_Master wrote: Show nested quote + On February 22 2014 14:02 JohnChoi wrote: How are effort and hydra doing? sospa could really use some stronger zergs God please let EffOrt come to afreeca, that guy was fuckin awesome. I'll never forget drifting off with Flash up 2-0 only to wake up and HOLY SHIT ITS TIED AND HE IS TAKING FLASH TO THE BRINK! Soulkey #1 bestest player of all time, but sadly I think he is too good at sc2 to come back I don't know. man. Being up against turtle mech Terran for that prolonged period of time will psychologically warp your mind in ways never known before. | ||
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iFU.pauline
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BigFan
TLADT24917 Posts
On February 22 2014 13:00 JohnChoi wrote: I dunno like whenever i saw free and the way he reacts when the game doesnt go his way i always thought he was the really vulgar type. seeing him onstream though hes pretty much the most polite person ever lol he's got this innocent vibe about him. He was talking about watching bisu's stream and he was like "his fpv is so amazing hes still so good" lol ah I see. From the games I've seen, he doesn't smile a lot. Maybe I'm watching the wrong games lol. On February 22 2014 13:06 endy wrote: Show nested quote + On February 22 2014 13:00 JohnChoi wrote: I dunno like whenever i saw free and the way he reacts when the game doesnt go his way i always thought he was the really vulgar type. seeing him onstream though hes pretty much the most polite person ever lol he's got this innocent vibe about him. He was talking about watching bisu's stream and he was like "his fpv is so amazing hes still so good" lol You could say he's pretty gm. lol. wp gg. On February 22 2014 13:47 Xiphos wrote: stars have officially assembled all of their former A-teamers back on track. O_O and former KT's Two punch Terran of Mind + Light will probably still do some ass whooping. And who else have this feeling that Fantasy will return to BW soon? He have been severely under performing in SC2, perhaps we'll see all of former SKT guys in the squat again. I haven't seen or heard much of Fantasy for such a long time. I'm actually not even sure where he's at atm but I can only recall he was Code B a while back. Surprising for someone of his caliber. I don't think he'll come back just yet but like Bisu, I can see it happening eventually. Fantasy being back would make SSL even better. On February 22 2014 14:02 JohnChoi wrote: How are effort and hydra doing? sospa could really use some stronger zergs I think that's the only thing sospa is missing especially if they are strong ZvT players. I recall effort losing some ZvZs against curious and some other SCII player and getting knocked out of Code A but dunno about hydra although he wasn't doing too badly. | ||
thezanursic
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Gamlet
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thezanursic
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mOojc
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Glioburd
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NeThZOR
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Qikz
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Either way Free coming back is cool <3 | ||
Boundz(DarKo)
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Ciryandor
United States3735 Posts
On February 22 2014 19:25 Qikz wrote: Fantasy being back would make me flip my shit. I'm quite possibly the biggest Fantasy fan on the forums and I try to copy nearly all of his builds while spending most of my free time watching vods of his old games. Either way Free coming back is cool <3 I've seen more rabid Fanta fans out there bro. IMHO he's getting paid decently simply because he's the only T SKT T1 has and if he leaves, they have nobody. | ||
Hyde
Australia14568 Posts
On February 22 2014 19:25 Qikz wrote: Fantasy being back would make me flip my shit. I'm quite possibly the biggest Fantasy fan on the forums and I try to copy nearly all of his builds while spending most of my free time watching vods of his old games. Either way Free coming back is cool <3 If Zona was still here you'd probably have a fight on your hands haha | ||
Glioburd
France1900 Posts
On February 22 2014 20:43 Ciryandor wrote: Show nested quote + On February 22 2014 19:25 Qikz wrote: Fantasy being back would make me flip my shit. I'm quite possibly the biggest Fantasy fan on the forums and I try to copy nearly all of his builds while spending most of my free time watching vods of his old games. Either way Free coming back is cool <3 I've seen more rabid Fanta fans out there bro. IMHO he's getting paid decently simply because he's the only T SKT T1 has and if he leaves, they have nobody. They have BravO who is doing well on SC2. But yeah only one terran must be not enough for a team. | ||
GTR
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SynC[gm]
United States3126 Posts
On February 22 2014 22:25 GTR wrote: swear he was going to the military or something. Same with Bisu and Jangbi. What's up with that, lol. These Protoss need to gtfo. | ||
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BigFan
TLADT24917 Posts
On February 23 2014 00:32 thezanursic wrote: Here's me hoping Stork and Fantasy try to compete in GOM Classic S5 / SSL10. They've both been doing pretty bad in SC2 so it wouldnt be a surprise. Doubt we'll see Stork anytime soon. He said he wouldn't retire a while back but would be cool to see both though | ||
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Epoxide
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On February 22 2014 22:48 JohnChoi wrote: its just stuff reporters put on the articles to give it an excuse for why they retire. its never true. jangbi said he never said he was going to army in a year but they put it in his article anyways lol lol what | ||
2Pacalypse-
Croatia9362 Posts
On February 23 2014 05:18 Epoxide wrote: Show nested quote + On February 22 2014 22:48 JohnChoi wrote: its just stuff reporters put on the articles to give it an excuse for why they retire. its never true. jangbi said he never said he was going to army in a year but they put it in his article anyways lol lol what yeah... is that even legal? | ||
broodwar2.0
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SynC[gm]
United States3126 Posts
On February 23 2014 04:08 BigFan wrote: Show nested quote + On February 23 2014 00:32 thezanursic wrote: Here's me hoping Stork and Fantasy try to compete in GOM Classic S5 / SSL10. They've both been doing pretty bad in SC2 so it wouldnt be a surprise. Doubt we'll see Stork anytime soon. He said he wouldn't retire a while back but would be cool to see both though He also bashed on Afreeca streamers, if I remember correctly, saying something along the lines of he pities those who embarrasses themselves on streams. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=433875 As for other players, it's hard to see them retire just because they're struggling. Cases like Jangbi who retired because he lacked/lost passion for the game was incredibly rare. We saw Bisu, free, ZerO, and possibly others that I'm forgetting because they were either not getting money/enough money. It's still a job for players like FanTaSy and EffOrt to play the game, and unless there's an absolute guarantee that these guys can get as much or more money for coming back to Brood War, I doubt we'll see anymore come back for awhile. | ||
hp.Shell
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Harem
United States11390 Posts
On February 23 2014 07:44 SynC[gm] wrote: Show nested quote + On February 23 2014 04:08 BigFan wrote: On February 23 2014 00:32 thezanursic wrote: Here's me hoping Stork and Fantasy try to compete in GOM Classic S5 / SSL10. They've both been doing pretty bad in SC2 so it wouldnt be a surprise. Doubt we'll see Stork anytime soon. He said he wouldn't retire a while back but would be cool to see both though He also bashed on Afreeca streamers, if I remember correctly, saying something along the lines of he pities those who embarrasses themselves on streams. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=433875 As for other players, it's hard to see them retire just because they're struggling. Cases like Jangbi who retired because he lacked/lost passion for the game was incredibly rare. We saw Bisu, free, ZerO, and possibly others that I'm forgetting because they were either not getting money/enough money. It's still a job for players like FanTaSy and EffOrt to play the game, and unless there's an absolute guarantee that these guys can get as much or more money for coming back to Brood War, I doubt we'll see anymore come back for awhile. ?? Jangbi loved playing sc2. He was also really good at it too. He just got scumbagged hard by January and Khan. | ||
JohnChoi
1773 Posts
On February 23 2014 07:44 SynC[gm] wrote: Show nested quote + On February 23 2014 04:08 BigFan wrote: On February 23 2014 00:32 thezanursic wrote: Here's me hoping Stork and Fantasy try to compete in GOM Classic S5 / SSL10. They've both been doing pretty bad in SC2 so it wouldnt be a surprise. Doubt we'll see Stork anytime soon. He said he wouldn't retire a while back but would be cool to see both though He also bashed on Afreeca streamers, if I remember correctly, saying something along the lines of he pities those who embarrasses themselves on streams. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=433875 As for other players, it's hard to see them retire just because they're struggling. Cases like Jangbi who retired because he lacked/lost passion for the game was incredibly rare. We saw Bisu, free, ZerO, and possibly others that I'm forgetting because they were either not getting money/enough money. It's still a job for players like FanTaSy and EffOrt to play the game, and unless there's an absolute guarantee that these guys can get as much or more money for coming back to Brood War, I doubt we'll see anymore come back for awhile. Yeah and then Stork got so much backlash from netizens that he did a second interview where he apologized and talked about his time streaming on twitch and how important streaming and connecting with the fans is to the scene or something. It was pretty funny edit: and don't forget the martyr types like Jaehoon who retired when staff told him they'd be cutting a couple B-teamers to keep him on the team (even after they got a "sponsor") | ||
BigFan
TLADT24917 Posts
On February 23 2014 07:44 SynC[gm] wrote: Show nested quote + On February 23 2014 04:08 BigFan wrote: On February 23 2014 00:32 thezanursic wrote: Here's me hoping Stork and Fantasy try to compete in GOM Classic S5 / SSL10. They've both been doing pretty bad in SC2 so it wouldnt be a surprise. Doubt we'll see Stork anytime soon. He said he wouldn't retire a while back but would be cool to see both though He also bashed on Afreeca streamers, if I remember correctly, saying something along the lines of he pities those who embarrasses themselves on streams. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=433875 As for other players, it's hard to see them retire just because they're struggling. Cases like Jangbi who retired because he lacked/lost passion for the game was incredibly rare. We saw Bisu, free, ZerO, and possibly others that I'm forgetting because they were either not getting money/enough money. It's still a job for players like FanTaSy and EffOrt to play the game, and unless there's an absolute guarantee that these guys can get as much or more money for coming back to Brood War, I doubt we'll see anymore come back for awhile. Jangbi said that he actually loved playing SCII so I wouldn't say he lost his passion. He liked to play it in his free time before the switch as well but ya, I remember Stork's comments and then him taking them back lol On February 23 2014 08:48 JohnChoi wrote: Show nested quote + On February 23 2014 07:44 SynC[gm] wrote: On February 23 2014 04:08 BigFan wrote: On February 23 2014 00:32 thezanursic wrote: Here's me hoping Stork and Fantasy try to compete in GOM Classic S5 / SSL10. They've both been doing pretty bad in SC2 so it wouldnt be a surprise. Doubt we'll see Stork anytime soon. He said he wouldn't retire a while back but would be cool to see both though He also bashed on Afreeca streamers, if I remember correctly, saying something along the lines of he pities those who embarrasses themselves on streams. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=433875 As for other players, it's hard to see them retire just because they're struggling. Cases like Jangbi who retired because he lacked/lost passion for the game was incredibly rare. We saw Bisu, free, ZerO, and possibly others that I'm forgetting because they were either not getting money/enough money. It's still a job for players like FanTaSy and EffOrt to play the game, and unless there's an absolute guarantee that these guys can get as much or more money for coming back to Brood War, I doubt we'll see anymore come back for awhile. Yeah and then Stork got so much backlash from netizens that he did a second interview where he apologized and talked about his time streaming on twitch and how important streaming and connecting with the fans is to the scene or something. It was pretty funny edit: and don't forget the martyr types like Jaehoon who retired when staff told him they'd be cutting a couple B-teamers to keep him on the team (even after they got a "sponsor") I didn't know about this. Link? | ||
JohnChoi
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Lachrymose
Australia1928 Posts
On February 23 2014 08:39 Harem wrote: Show nested quote + On February 23 2014 07:44 SynC[gm] wrote: On February 23 2014 04:08 BigFan wrote: On February 23 2014 00:32 thezanursic wrote: Here's me hoping Stork and Fantasy try to compete in GOM Classic S5 / SSL10. They've both been doing pretty bad in SC2 so it wouldnt be a surprise. Doubt we'll see Stork anytime soon. He said he wouldn't retire a while back but would be cool to see both though He also bashed on Afreeca streamers, if I remember correctly, saying something along the lines of he pities those who embarrasses themselves on streams. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=433875 As for other players, it's hard to see them retire just because they're struggling. Cases like Jangbi who retired because he lacked/lost passion for the game was incredibly rare. We saw Bisu, free, ZerO, and possibly others that I'm forgetting because they were either not getting money/enough money. It's still a job for players like FanTaSy and EffOrt to play the game, and unless there's an absolute guarantee that these guys can get as much or more money for coming back to Brood War, I doubt we'll see anymore come back for awhile. ?? Jangbi loved playing sc2. He was also really good at it too. He just got scumbagged hard by January and Khan. What happened? | ||
Hyde
Australia14568 Posts
20. After the Jinair sponsorship was announced in July, Jaehoon thought he was saved. A Jinair executive even told him “we’ll take good care of you.” But not long after that, they went back on their word and Jaehoon had to retire. Quite sad really. also where's Ryo? He's disappeared | ||
JohnChoi
1773 Posts
On February 23 2014 10:25 Hyde wrote: It was mentioned in Ryo's blog too, things he's heard from progamers on their streams. Show nested quote + 20. After the Jinair sponsorship was announced in July, Jaehoon thought he was saved. A Jinair executive even told him “we’ll take good care of you.” But not long after that, they went back on their word and Jaehoon had to retire. Quite sad really. also where's Ryo? He's disappeared I recall Pure being incredibly disappointed by jinair too. He retired really quick after being announced that he joined the team and on his stream i remember him talking to midas on the phone about how jinair and sc2 has no future for him. On February 23 2014 10:24 Lachrymose wrote: What happened? Some prize money withholding, low pay (earlier on in his khan days, khan notorious for low pay), january deflecting offers from other teams to pick up jangbi. in general just huge favoritism to stork. | ||
Hyde
Australia14568 Posts
On February 23 2014 10:30 JohnChoi wrote: Show nested quote + On February 23 2014 10:25 Hyde wrote: It was mentioned in Ryo's blog too, things he's heard from progamers on their streams. 20. After the Jinair sponsorship was announced in July, Jaehoon thought he was saved. A Jinair executive even told him “we’ll take good care of you.” But not long after that, they went back on their word and Jaehoon had to retire. Quite sad really. also where's Ryo? He's disappeared I recall Pure being incredibly disappointed by jinair too. He retired really quick after being announced that he joined the team and on his stream i remember him talking to midas on the phone about how jinair and sc2 has no future for him. that's sad too. It was really quick wasn't it, like everyone was just 'I thought he joined a team? what happened?'. He's had some rotten luck though, couldn't join Air Force ACE because they didn't have enough room for both him and Kal so he kind of semi-retired then, and when he finished his military duties he's forced to retired once more :/ I hope he does better with BW now (although the latest SPL article doesn't indicate so) | ||
JohnChoi
1773 Posts
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broodwar2.0
Niue229 Posts
On February 23 2014 10:24 Lachrymose wrote: Show nested quote + On February 23 2014 08:39 Harem wrote: On February 23 2014 07:44 SynC[gm] wrote: On February 23 2014 04:08 BigFan wrote: On February 23 2014 00:32 thezanursic wrote: Here's me hoping Stork and Fantasy try to compete in GOM Classic S5 / SSL10. They've both been doing pretty bad in SC2 so it wouldnt be a surprise. Doubt we'll see Stork anytime soon. He said he wouldn't retire a while back but would be cool to see both though He also bashed on Afreeca streamers, if I remember correctly, saying something along the lines of he pities those who embarrasses themselves on streams. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=433875 As for other players, it's hard to see them retire just because they're struggling. Cases like Jangbi who retired because he lacked/lost passion for the game was incredibly rare. We saw Bisu, free, ZerO, and possibly others that I'm forgetting because they were either not getting money/enough money. It's still a job for players like FanTaSy and EffOrt to play the game, and unless there's an absolute guarantee that these guys can get as much or more money for coming back to Brood War, I doubt we'll see anymore come back for awhile. ?? Jangbi loved playing sc2. He was also really good at it too. He just got scumbagged hard by January and Khan. What happened? haha he loved playing sc2? what a joke trust me dude none of the ex-bw ''love'' sc2 probably innovation is the only one cause he is so succesfull and maybe some will 'love' if fot the stable income MONEYYYY bitchezz but love ? u must be dreaming! User was warned for this post | ||
broodwar2.0
Niue229 Posts
On February 23 2014 05:22 broodwar2.0 wrote: Any translations ? what his plans are for the future with streaming/afreeca ssl10 etc.. ? | ||
Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
On February 23 2014 10:30 JohnChoi wrote: Show nested quote + On February 23 2014 10:25 Hyde wrote: It was mentioned in Ryo's blog too, things he's heard from progamers on their streams. 20. After the Jinair sponsorship was announced in July, Jaehoon thought he was saved. A Jinair executive even told him “we’ll take good care of you.” But not long after that, they went back on their word and Jaehoon had to retire. Quite sad really. also where's Ryo? He's disappeared I recall Pure being incredibly disappointed by jinair too. He retired really quick after being announced that he joined the team and on his stream i remember him talking to midas on the phone about how jinair and sc2 has no future for him. Some prize money withholding, low pay (earlier on in his khan days, khan notorious for low pay), january deflecting offers from other teams to pick up jangbi. in general just huge favoritism to stork. January probably had an affair w/ Stork. You can feel so much that it hurts. | ||
JohnChoi
1773 Posts
On February 23 2014 10:45 broodwar2.0 wrote: BACK ON TOPIC : BUMP : Show nested quote + On February 23 2014 05:22 broodwar2.0 wrote: Any translations ? what his plans are for the future with streaming/afreeca ssl10 etc.. ? yes! free is buying livers apparently ^-^ | ||
miercat
394 Posts
On February 23 2014 10:43 broodwar2.0 wrote: Show nested quote + On February 23 2014 10:24 Lachrymose wrote: On February 23 2014 08:39 Harem wrote: On February 23 2014 07:44 SynC[gm] wrote: On February 23 2014 04:08 BigFan wrote: On February 23 2014 00:32 thezanursic wrote: Here's me hoping Stork and Fantasy try to compete in GOM Classic S5 / SSL10. They've both been doing pretty bad in SC2 so it wouldnt be a surprise. Doubt we'll see Stork anytime soon. He said he wouldn't retire a while back but would be cool to see both though He also bashed on Afreeca streamers, if I remember correctly, saying something along the lines of he pities those who embarrasses themselves on streams. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=433875 As for other players, it's hard to see them retire just because they're struggling. Cases like Jangbi who retired because he lacked/lost passion for the game was incredibly rare. We saw Bisu, free, ZerO, and possibly others that I'm forgetting because they were either not getting money/enough money. It's still a job for players like FanTaSy and EffOrt to play the game, and unless there's an absolute guarantee that these guys can get as much or more money for coming back to Brood War, I doubt we'll see anymore come back for awhile. ?? Jangbi loved playing sc2. He was also really good at it too. He just got scumbagged hard by January and Khan. What happened? haha he loved playing sc2? what a joke trust me dude none of the ex-bw ''love'' sc2 probably innovation is the only one cause he is so succesfull and maybe some will 'love' if for the stable income MONEYYYY bitchezz but love ? u must be dreaming! Yes, you are right, none of the Ex-BW would love SC2 like they loved BW, despite some their political statements(from the ex BW still playing Pro SC2) (a public media outlet asks them if they like playing SC2 - is it even viable to give a negative answer? It is a meaningless question in that context, and a meaningless answer. Rather judge by comprehensive history and actions). It's ignorant to think otherwise, based on all available facts. A delusion. Stable income (for now) is probably the main attraction - but dubious given SC2's failure in the Korean market, and the fact that the current SC2 salaries are not that significant in the first place. Shuttle is making well over 200,000 US dollars per year streaming BW (he showed his bank account, per month, on stream)... Ask him what he thinks about job security and stable income. Shuttle wasn't even one of the better players, in the later years, he hardly got any playing time. | ||
broodwar2.0
Niue229 Posts
On February 23 2014 11:01 JohnChoi wrote: Show nested quote + On February 23 2014 10:45 broodwar2.0 wrote: BACK ON TOPIC : BUMP : On February 23 2014 05:22 broodwar2.0 wrote: Any translations ? what his plans are for the future with streaming/afreeca ssl10 etc.. ? yes! free is buying livers apparently ^-^ lol i dont get the joke buying livers? wtf o,o anyway Free streaming right now ssak vs free @snipealot3/4 | ||
wmb
Sweden282 Posts
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BigFan
TLADT24917 Posts
On February 23 2014 10:16 JohnChoi wrote: I don't have a link it's just what Jaehoon talked about on his stream. He wouldn't reveal his reason for retiring for a very long time. And Killer said that team 8's sponsor Jin-Air is what you call a name sponsor very similar to ogn sparkyz -> hite sparkyz. Although hite was the "sponsor" their monetary backing is not really there and it's like a way for the sponsor to test the waters I have no sources or links though it's just all things I've heard streamers talk about on afreeca :s interesting, thanks! On February 23 2014 10:41 JohnChoi wrote: Ya if I remember correctly it was like "Pure joins jin air!" annoucement then like less than 2 months later he's on afreeca I think it might've been even less than that lol. On February 23 2014 11:09 miercat wrote: Show nested quote + On February 23 2014 10:43 broodwar2.0 wrote: On February 23 2014 10:24 Lachrymose wrote: On February 23 2014 08:39 Harem wrote: On February 23 2014 07:44 SynC[gm] wrote: On February 23 2014 04:08 BigFan wrote: On February 23 2014 00:32 thezanursic wrote: Here's me hoping Stork and Fantasy try to compete in GOM Classic S5 / SSL10. They've both been doing pretty bad in SC2 so it wouldnt be a surprise. Doubt we'll see Stork anytime soon. He said he wouldn't retire a while back but would be cool to see both though He also bashed on Afreeca streamers, if I remember correctly, saying something along the lines of he pities those who embarrasses themselves on streams. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=433875 As for other players, it's hard to see them retire just because they're struggling. Cases like Jangbi who retired because he lacked/lost passion for the game was incredibly rare. We saw Bisu, free, ZerO, and possibly others that I'm forgetting because they were either not getting money/enough money. It's still a job for players like FanTaSy and EffOrt to play the game, and unless there's an absolute guarantee that these guys can get as much or more money for coming back to Brood War, I doubt we'll see anymore come back for awhile. ?? Jangbi loved playing sc2. He was also really good at it too. He just got scumbagged hard by January and Khan. What happened? haha he loved playing sc2? what a joke trust me dude none of the ex-bw ''love'' sc2 probably innovation is the only one cause he is so succesfull and maybe some will 'love' if for the stable income MONEYYYY bitchezz but love ? u must be dreaming! Yes, you are right, none of the Ex-BW would love SC2 like they loved BW, despite some their political statements(from the ex BW still playing Pro SC2) (a public media outlet asks them if they like playing SC2 - is it even viable to give a negative answer? It is a meaningless question in that context, and a meaningless answer. Rather judge by comprehensive history and actions). It's ignorant to think otherwise, based on all available facts. A delusion. Stable income (for now) is probably the main attraction - but dubious given SC2's failure in the Korean market, and the fact that the current SC2 salaries are not that significant in the first place. Shuttle is making well over 200,000 US dollars per year streaming BW (he showed his bank account, per month, on stream)... Ask him what he thinks about job security and stable income. Shuttle wasn't even one of the better players, in the later years, he hardly got any playing time. I agree that players in general avoid being negative about the game that they are playing and income means a lot but you can't genuinely believe that none of the players enjoy playing SCII. cmon, that would just be silly lol. It'll be as silly as someone claiming that none of the ex-BW players playing SCII would return to BW if the pro BW scene was back to how it was. From what I recall, there have been some players that were vocal about disliking SCII and preferring BW over it but that depends on the player. Jangbi specifically stated that he liked playing SCII when he was still a BW pro (before SCII entered hybrid league I'm presuming) so there's no reason to believe he only made that statement for political purposes. Btw, something that BW never had since it was big in Korea and not as big elsewhere was players getting flown out to different countries, having new experiences and such. I guess it's a double edged sword. Lower income with traveling more or higher income but staying in your home country. Tough choice lol. | ||
L_Master
United States7946 Posts
On February 23 2014 10:56 Xiphos wrote: Show nested quote + On February 23 2014 10:30 JohnChoi wrote: On February 23 2014 10:25 Hyde wrote: It was mentioned in Ryo's blog too, things he's heard from progamers on their streams. 20. After the Jinair sponsorship was announced in July, Jaehoon thought he was saved. A Jinair executive even told him “we’ll take good care of you.” But not long after that, they went back on their word and Jaehoon had to retire. Quite sad really. also where's Ryo? He's disappeared I recall Pure being incredibly disappointed by jinair too. He retired really quick after being announced that he joined the team and on his stream i remember him talking to midas on the phone about how jinair and sc2 has no future for him. On February 23 2014 10:24 Lachrymose wrote: What happened? Some prize money withholding, low pay (earlier on in his khan days, khan notorious for low pay), january deflecting offers from other teams to pick up jangbi. in general just huge favoritism to stork. January probably had an affair w/ Stork. You can feel so much that it hurts. That would be some crazy stuff. You'd think it would get out eventually, but maybe not in Korean culture. Not sure how stuff like that works there | ||
miercat
394 Posts
On February 23 2014 14:47 BigFan wrote: + Show Spoiler + On February 23 2014 10:16 JohnChoi wrote: I don't have a link it's just what Jaehoon talked about on his stream. He wouldn't reveal his reason for retiring for a very long time. And Killer said that team 8's sponsor Jin-Air is what you call a name sponsor very similar to ogn sparkyz -> hite sparkyz. Although hite was the "sponsor" their monetary backing is not really there and it's like a way for the sponsor to test the waters I have no sources or links though it's just all things I've heard streamers talk about on afreeca :s interesting, thanks! On February 23 2014 10:41 JohnChoi wrote: Ya if I remember correctly it was like "Pure joins jin air!" annoucement then like less than 2 months later he's on afreeca I think it might've been even less than that lol. On February 23 2014 11:09 miercat wrote: Show nested quote + On February 23 2014 10:43 broodwar2.0 wrote: On February 23 2014 10:24 Lachrymose wrote: On February 23 2014 08:39 Harem wrote: On February 23 2014 07:44 SynC[gm] wrote: On February 23 2014 04:08 BigFan wrote: On February 23 2014 00:32 thezanursic wrote: Here's me hoping Stork and Fantasy try to compete in GOM Classic S5 / SSL10. They've both been doing pretty bad in SC2 so it wouldnt be a surprise. Doubt we'll see Stork anytime soon. He said he wouldn't retire a while back but would be cool to see both though He also bashed on Afreeca streamers, if I remember correctly, saying something along the lines of he pities those who embarrasses themselves on streams. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=433875 As for other players, it's hard to see them retire just because they're struggling. Cases like Jangbi who retired because he lacked/lost passion for the game was incredibly rare. We saw Bisu, free, ZerO, and possibly others that I'm forgetting because they were either not getting money/enough money. It's still a job for players like FanTaSy and EffOrt to play the game, and unless there's an absolute guarantee that these guys can get as much or more money for coming back to Brood War, I doubt we'll see anymore come back for awhile. ?? Jangbi loved playing sc2. He was also really good at it too. He just got scumbagged hard by January and Khan. What happened? haha he loved playing sc2? what a joke trust me dude none of the ex-bw ''love'' sc2 probably innovation is the only one cause he is so succesfull and maybe some will 'love' if for the stable income MONEYYYY bitchezz but love ? u must be dreaming! Yes, you are right, none of the Ex-BW would love SC2 like they loved BW, despite some their political statements(from the ex BW still playing Pro SC2) (a public media outlet asks them if they like playing SC2 - is it even viable to give a negative answer? It is a meaningless question in that context, and a meaningless answer. Rather judge by comprehensive history and actions). It's ignorant to think otherwise, based on all available facts. A delusion. Stable income (for now) is probably the main attraction - but dubious given SC2's failure in the Korean market, and the fact that the current SC2 salaries are not that significant in the first place. Shuttle is making well over 200,000 US dollars per year streaming BW (he showed his bank account, per month, on stream)... Ask him what he thinks about job security and stable income. Shuttle wasn't even one of the better players, in the later years, he hardly got any playing time. I agree that players in general avoid being negative about the game that they are playing and income means a lot but you can't genuinely believe that none of the players enjoy playing SCII. cmon, that would just be silly lol. It'll be as silly as someone claiming that none of the ex-BW players playing SCII would return to BW if the pro BW scene was back to how it was. From what I recall, there have been some players that were vocal about disliking SCII and preferring BW over it but that depends on the player. Jangbi specifically stated that he liked playing SCII when he was still a BW pro (before SCII entered hybrid league I'm presuming) so there's no reason to believe he only made that statement for political purposes. Btw, something that BW never had since it was big in Korea and not as big elsewhere was players getting flown out to different countries, having new experiences and such. I guess it's a double edged sword. Lower income with traveling more or higher income but staying in your home country. Tough choice lol. If you equalize all factors including money, and stability, I don't think there's a question which game Pros would choose - and this is the most relevant consideration. The Pros were not given a choice in 2012 to choose between BW and SC2. They were forced to play SC2, or do something else. Had they been given the freedom to choose (with no variation in financial compensation, or the opportunity for compensation, or any other positive/negative factor) I don't believe any (~99%) would have switched. And none of them would play SC2 for fun, for any significant duration (statistically, almost no one in Korea is playing SC2 in any case right now, and the trend is downward). (number of reasons for this, mostly centering on the fundamental aspects of each game, from player/viewer standpoint, and how the games are respectively perceived in Korea, and their relative success) There may or may not have been as much political motivation at that point - who knows, but when you are a public figure, in a public forum, it always exists. In any case, I believe the question and answer still lack significant meaning, regardless of politics. I mean, I'll give you a personal interview right now, and tell you the truth, with no political motivation: I like playing checkers. (but also I haven't played it in 7 or so years, and I don't really feel the need to play it in the future. There are a lot better things to do, I feel, relatively speaking.) On the other hand, I also like watching BW (e.g. I have watched it frequently in the past, and would watch it frequently in the future compared to other things, and find it entertaining compared to other things) - information/context such as this (duration/frequency/magnitude/relativity), is necessary for statements regarding "liking" something, to have any significant meaning). If he does in fact feel strongly, he is free to play whatever game he wants. I wonder how much time he has since put into each game respectively? He must be desiring very strongly now to play this other game? Since he has retired he will probably be playing this other game very frequently and for long durations in the future in his free time? Because it is so fun, and interesting, and popular, compared to other games, he feels this? Again, based on all available information - which is substantial - it is not too difficult to see what the case is. | ||
JohnChoi
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AleXoundOS
Georgia456 Posts
On February 23 2014 16:12 JohnChoi wrote: i think free is better than pure right now that's right | ||
JohnChoi
1773 Posts
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NovemberstOrm
Canada16217 Posts
On February 23 2014 10:24 Lachrymose wrote: Show nested quote + On February 23 2014 08:39 Harem wrote: On February 23 2014 07:44 SynC[gm] wrote: On February 23 2014 04:08 BigFan wrote: On February 23 2014 00:32 thezanursic wrote: Here's me hoping Stork and Fantasy try to compete in GOM Classic S5 / SSL10. They've both been doing pretty bad in SC2 so it wouldnt be a surprise. Doubt we'll see Stork anytime soon. He said he wouldn't retire a while back but would be cool to see both though He also bashed on Afreeca streamers, if I remember correctly, saying something along the lines of he pities those who embarrasses themselves on streams. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=433875 As for other players, it's hard to see them retire just because they're struggling. Cases like Jangbi who retired because he lacked/lost passion for the game was incredibly rare. We saw Bisu, free, ZerO, and possibly others that I'm forgetting because they were either not getting money/enough money. It's still a job for players like FanTaSy and EffOrt to play the game, and unless there's an absolute guarantee that these guys can get as much or more money for coming back to Brood War, I doubt we'll see anymore come back for awhile. ?? Jangbi loved playing sc2. He was also really good at it too. He just got scumbagged hard by January and Khan. What happened? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=438838 | ||
PVJ
Hungary5051 Posts
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nbaker
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zyce
United States649 Posts
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Crisium
United States1618 Posts
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Ryo
8787 Posts
On February 23 2014 10:25 Hyde wrote: It was mentioned in Ryo's blog too, things he's heard from progamers on their streams. Show nested quote + 20. After the Jinair sponsorship was announced in July, Jaehoon thought he was saved. A Jinair executive even told him “we’ll take good care of you.” But not long after that, they went back on their word and Jaehoon had to retire. Quite sad really. also where's Ryo? He's disappeared Still here. My health has not been very good lately so I haven't been visiting TL as often as before. | ||
sc19980331
China1609 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/bw-tournaments/533214-kcm-challenge-on-4-25-1900-kst #153 Korea freey 2946 Protoss 295 200 | ||
Rekzr
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sc19980331
China1609 Posts
On May 06 2018 12:56 Rekzr wrote: Is Free Still streaming? Sure, he just played Sharp Star League yesterday. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/bw-tournaments/533260-sharp-star-league | ||
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