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HonestTea
5007 Posts
For the first time ever, Savior has reached Kespa #1. I think he will stay there for a while.
Rank Name Race/Team Points Change
1. Savior (Z, CJ) 1202.0 ▲1 2. Chojja (Z, KTF) 1141.0 ▼1 3. Nada (T, Pantech) 1109.3 ▲3 4. Jju (Z, Samsung) 1051.5 ▲1 5. Nal_Ra (P, KTF) 939.5 ▲4 6. GoodFriend (T, KTF) 908.8 ▲4 7. Midas (T, SKT) 888.9 ▲4 8. Casy (T, OGN) 836.5 ▼5 9. Iris (T, CJ) 819.0 ▼2 10. iloveoov (T, SKT) 769.8 ▼6 11. Anytime (P, Lecaf) 762.8 ▲12 12. July (Z, MBCgame) 758.8 ▼4 13. Silver (Z, Pantech) 696.0 ▲16 14. GoRush (Z, SKT) 683.8 ▼1 15. Sea (T, MBCgame) 665.8 ▼3 16. Zergman (Z, Samsung) 640.0 ▲4 17. Yellow[Arnc] (Z, OGN) 629.0 ▲8 18. GGPlay (Z, Hanbit) 625.8 ▼4 19. Bisu (P, MBCgame) 608.3 ▼1 20. Rock (P, Pantech) 601.3 ▲1 21. Xellos (T, CJ) 594.0 ▲5 22. Pusan (P, MBCgame) 590.5 ▼3 23. Yellow (Z, KTF) 582.5 ▼8 24. Kingdom (P, SKT) 571.5 ▲4 25. IntoTheRainbow (P, SKT) 550.5 ▼3 26. Stork (P, Samsung) 525.8 ▼10 27. Boxer (T, SKT) 520.5 ▼10 28. Sigamari (Z, Samsung) 499.0 ▼4 29. TT (P, Samsung) 485.8 ▼2 30. Reach (P, KTF) 441.0 〓
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
Stork T.T Pusan T.T Bisu T.T TT T.T July T.T Sea T.T
not a good month for hero =/
thnx for this HT
if ra > savior in msl then nada wins OSL, i tihnk nada will reclaim no1 first time in the history of sc for someone to do that right?
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NaDa 3rd!!! Savior 1st, no surprise. Nal_ra big climb 5th. Anytime huge jump to 11th.
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intrigue
Washington, D.C9931 Posts
nada rank three, nal_ra up four, midas top ten i'm pretty fucking happy about this =P
it hurts a lot not seeing boxer's name on there though
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zergmannnnnn keep on climbing!
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Wow Silver +16
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Hong Kong20321 Posts
cool rankings go savior nada ra!!
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Boxer is 27th
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On November 01 2006 01:02 Plexa wrote: Stork T.T Pusan T.T Bisu T.T TT T.T July T.T Sea T.T
not a good month for hero =/
thnx for this HT
if ra > savior in msl then nada wins OSL, i tihnk nada will reclaim no1 first time in the history of sc for someone to do that right?
I think iloveoov reclaimed #1 spot before.
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Hmm. Hard to believe, that based solely on those rankings, that IloveOov is the 6th best terran player currently. To be honest, that's bullshi*.
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last month for boxer in top30 TT gogo NaDa:D
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On November 01 2006 01:13 ssj100 wrote: Hmm. Hard to believe, that based solely on those rankings, that IloveOov is the 6th best terran player currently. To be honest, that's bullshi*.
The KESPA ranking doesn't take into consideration personal skill (how objective would that list look like?), simply performance over the past certain amount of time, with more emphasis being placed on the last month I think.
Obviously Savior is not the number one player in the world right now (though some people will disagree ). He simply has done the best recently in terms of tournament performance. There's no way Boxer is the "27th best player".
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Damn Ra O_O! Yeahhhhhhh
Jju also doin surprisingly well. Must be the curse but Casy fell a ton; [
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IMO GoRush should be higher
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Russian Federation363 Posts
Reach #30
Oh Shit... Hope for SuperFight
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So, winning WCG doesn't count anymore?
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Considering how oov won and went down 10 positions makes me thing No
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On November 01 2006 02:35 PoP wrote: So, winning WCG doesn't count anymore?
Might only be counted next month, we'll see :/
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On November 01 2006 03:21 Beamo wrote:Might only be counted next month, we'll see :/
yea, i wondered the same thing. i think it will kick in next month
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So when IPX win MSL and Nada win OSL they will be 1 and 2 with big difference from the rest...
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On November 01 2006 03:46 puLs.ReADy wrote:So when IPX win MSL and Nada win OSL they will be 1 and 2 with big difference from the rest...
Yeah and then we will have fight between msl and osl champion. That is going to be awesome.
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11. Anytime (P, Lecaf) 762.8 ▲12 16. Zergman (Z, Samsung) 640.0 ▲4 21. Xellos (T, CJ) 594.0 ▲5 24. Kingdom (P, SKT) 571.5 ▲4
!!!!!!!!! =DD
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"Fake" Yellow higher than the real Yellow. What has the world come to?
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definately right chojja < savior gw~
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Will savior play the next OSL ? He really needs to win that one
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I think NaDa is going to be back at #1 pretty soon..
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god they pull these rankings out of their asses... how is AnyTime so low?
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On November 01 2006 01:13 ssj100 wrote: Hmm. Hard to believe, that based solely on those rankings, that IloveOov is the 6th best terran player currently. To be honest, that's bullshi*.
Well.... Oov's performance this season has been pretty bullshit, so him dropping is appropriate. You can argue that he dropped too much or whatever, but he should drop.
On November 01 2006 05:30 Resonate wrote: god they pull these rankings out of their asses... how is AnyTime so low?
I don't think he's gotten all his points for this recent OSL. Prior to this OSL, what has he done recently? Nothing. He deserves to be low.
I think people must realize that Kespa tallies performances over a period of more than 2 weeks.
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On November 01 2006 05:30 Resonate wrote: god they pull these rankings out of their asses... how is AnyTime so low?
He hasn't even qualified for 1 starleague since his win in 11/2005... You expected him to be top 10 ? He recently won vs high rated players (July, Casy, Gorush, GGPlay) which explains his +12 but that's it.
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Gogo ra and Anytime. It makes me happy to see them both doing so well.
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United Arab Emirates5090 Posts
anyone know how they rank the players?
makes me think how american university magazines rank american universities and how they fuck with the grading system each year so that the universities "move around" in the rank each year lik OMFG HARVARD WHEN DOWN LIKE 2 RANKS well yea no shit since the magazine changed like "having a good orchestra" percentile.
just interested to see the -exact- calculations of the kespa ranking system
hope its not fucked up like the SC ladder where ppl have 999999 wins and 0 losses, not that exagerated but you know what i mean.
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On November 01 2006 04:47 Eatme wrote: "Fake" Yellow higher than the real Yellow. What has the world come to? Yellow Name also happens to have the single best ZvT record this year I think. Or 2nd best.
I don't get it... Kingdom is still so low after such a long solid performance... what assholes. Move the man up please. Jackasses
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On November 01 2006 01:19 PanoRaMa wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2006 01:13 ssj100 wrote: Hmm. Hard to believe, that based solely on those rankings, that IloveOov is the 6th best terran player currently. To be honest, that's bullshi*. The KESPA ranking doesn't take into consideration personal skill (how objective would that list look like?), simply performance over the past certain amount of time, with more emphasis being placed on the last month I think. Obviously Savior is not the number one player in the world right now (though some people will disagree ). He simply has done the best recently in terms of tournament performance. There's no way Boxer is the "27th best player". LOL! What the hell? "He simply has done the best recently in terms of tournament performance."
Isn't that something that the BEST players do? Win the tournaments?! He is the best, currently, statistics-wise.
Thanks Honestea
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We see these threads 12 times a year and still people fail to comprehend that it is an unbiased ranking system based on league results alone.
It would be nice to see how many points certain acheivements are worth. I'm thinking MVP is worth a lot now
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United States5262 Posts
Danke HonestTea, it's so good to finally see uhjoo go up the rankings. Perfect Terran Hwaiting!
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jkillashark great icon ^^
nice to see nada as the best terran
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KeSPA rankings aren't infallible, but yeah Savior is the best. Anyone with a 4-0 record over Boxer and a 7-2 record over Oov in ZvT is fucking insane.
And for WCG, it really didn't deserve so many points as it used to get. Winning WCG Korea matters more than winning the WCG Finals.
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nada kicks ass! again! fuck yeah
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Whoever said Savior isn't currently the best player
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Nooo Oov went down too much
Wow at Silver.. + 16 o.O
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yellow and fake yellow basically switched spots, lol :x
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On November 01 2006 04:47 Eatme wrote: "Fake" Yellow higher than the real Yellow. What has the world come to? YellOw[arnc] always had more potential than the original YellOw. It was apparently after he crushed iloveOOv last season. He has fantastic unit control, more so than original YellOw.
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anyone know whats the record between nada and savior?
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On November 01 2006 10:03 Sabbath wrote: anyone know whats the record between nada and savior? It`s 1-1 but it would be awesome if they play now when they both are in their best shape Nada`s tvz micro is INSANE !
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Thanks HonestTea..........aww oov dropped 6......gj to anytime and silver for rising so much
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Russian Federation1953 Posts
Silver totally deserved that rise During NaDa's slump he carried whole Pantech team. That's why he is M.V.P.
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Seriously, add a freaking disclaimer after every KeSPA post so people know it's some mathematical formula based on recent tournament performance. You think people would catch on after a while, but yet you still get these retarded comments every month.
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gogo Nada <3<3 show ipxzerg how painful tvz can be ; P
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<3 nada. Nobody is even close to deserving first besides savior, but nada, the most successful man in progaming, is getting pretttyy close.
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I guess this is the last time we are going to see BoxeR in the KeSPA
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Baltimore, USA22222 Posts
On November 01 2006 12:04 funKie wrote: I guess this is the last time we are going to see BoxeR in the KeSPA
Wow, you're right.
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there is no "best" player
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On November 01 2006 02:35 PoP wrote: So, winning WCG doesn't count anymore?
they counted the wcg korean finals,not the grand finals. to win the grand finals isnt that accomplishment, haha
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On November 01 2006 10:17 PaleMan wrote: Silver totally deserved that rise During NaDa's slump he carried whole Pantech team. That's why he is M.V.P. silver hadnt done anything until his run in this msl, at which time nada was already coming back. nada carried pantech during his slump, he was still doing well in proleague. just couldnt win in individual leagues.
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its good to see savior #1
impressive, only 1 toss in top 10 :\
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On November 01 2006 10:11 puLs.ReADy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2006 10:03 Sabbath wrote: anyone know whats the record between nada and savior? It`s 1-1 but it would be awesome if they play now when they both are in their best shape Nada`s tvz micro is INSANE !
i've seen more than 2 reps of savior vs nada lol. and all of them savior won.
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hey tfeign, ChoJJa stil #1?
NaDa fighting!
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On November 01 2006 06:45 WhatisProtoss wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2006 01:19 PanoRaMa wrote:On November 01 2006 01:13 ssj100 wrote: Hmm. Hard to believe, that based solely on those rankings, that IloveOov is the 6th best terran player currently. To be honest, that's bullshi*. into MI fucking T you would at least slightly understand how KESPA r The KESPA ranking doesn't take into consideration personal skill (how objective would that list look like?), simply performance over the past certain amount of time, with more emphasis being placed on the last month I think. Obviously Savior is not the number one player in the world right now (though some people will disagree ). He simply has done the best recently in terms of tournament performance. There's no way Boxer is the "27th best player". LOL! What the hell? "He simply has done the best recently in terms of tournament performance." Isn't that something that the BEST players do? Win the tournaments?! He is the best, currently, statistics-wise. Thanks Honestea
Read your reply and read mine again.
simply performance over the past certain amount of time, with more emphasis being placed on the last month I think.
Anytime was high on the rankings last year around this time after unexpectedly beating BoxeR for his OSL win. It's been a year since Anytime has done anything. Are you telling me that throughout that entire year he deserves to be perpetually in the top 5 due to one good performance a year ago?
Anytime won the OSL, do you consider him "the best", despite his slump this past year?
I consider OOv to be the best terran in the world, or damn near it. He has not "won the tournaments" in a while though (minus WCG which is either exempt from KESPA rankings nowadays or just not calculated into the November rankings).
I would think that by getting admitted into MI fucking T, yo would at least slightly understand how KESPA rankings work.
For clarity: KESPA places more emphasis on RECENT performance. The rankings may still be disputed/unfair, whatever, but at least understand that it's not a compilation of every player's entire tournament career. If that were the case I believe BoxeR would be #1 forever and saviOr wouldn't be near #1 at all.
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rinizim
Korea (South)187 Posts
On November 01 2006 12:24 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2006 10:17 PaleMan wrote: Silver totally deserved that rise During NaDa's slump he carried whole Pantech team. That's why he is M.V.P. silver hadnt done anything until his run in this msl, at which time nada was already coming back. nada carried pantech during his slump, he was still doing well in proleague. just couldnt win in individual leagues.
This is how one become biased when you don't watch and consider the performances in Proleague. Ever wonder why Silver was nominated the MVP of Proleague last season? The Kespa ranking takes both individual league, and proleagues into account. That's why Savior is ranked no. 1. He's good in both.
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United States20661 Posts
shit!
yellow drop like rock. now poser yellow ahead.
boxer drop even more. stupid military.
reach holding on to spot! too sexy to get kicked out.
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wow how did Iloveoov drop so much?!
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On November 01 2006 10:11 puLs.ReADy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2006 10:03 Sabbath wrote: anyone know whats the record between nada and savior? It`s 1-1 but it would be awesome if they play now when they both are in their best shape Nada`s tvz micro is INSANE ! nada is FAR from being in his best shape. he is coming back i agree, but he's nowhere near the dominating player he used to be. He lost a TvT to Xellos ffs. Xellos is renound for choking vs nada. Nada's wins have all been vs bad players e.g. zergman, Jy, TT, GF. None of those 4 are top-tier. Look who Anytime has just sliced through to get where he is vs Midas. I'd be suprised if Nada wins this OSL, he's NOT on-form.
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Russian Federation1953 Posts
On November 01 2006 13:14 rinizim wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2006 12:24 IdrA wrote:On November 01 2006 10:17 PaleMan wrote: Silver totally deserved that rise During NaDa's slump he carried whole Pantech team. That's why he is M.V.P. silver hadnt done anything until his run in this msl, at which time nada was already coming back. nada carried pantech during his slump, he was still doing well in proleague. just couldnt win in individual leagues. This is how one become biased when you don't watch and consider the performances in Proleague. Ever wonder why Silver was nominated the MVP of Proleague last season? The Kespa ranking takes both individual league, and proleagues into account. That's why Savior is ranked no. 1. He's good in both.
<3 rinizim, hate Idra
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
yaaaaaaaaaay my favorite player Silver is doing his best ever <3
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Maybe Silver will be #1 in december, haha
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On November 02 2006 08:56 Resonate wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2006 10:11 puLs.ReADy wrote:On November 01 2006 10:03 Sabbath wrote: anyone know whats the record between nada and savior? It`s 1-1 but it would be awesome if they play now when they both are in their best shape Nada`s tvz micro is INSANE ! nada is FAR from being in his best shape. he is coming back i agree, but he's nowhere near the dominating player he used to be. He lost a TvT to Xellos ffs. Xellos is renound for choking vs nada. Nada's wins have all been vs bad players e.g. zergman, Jy, TT, GF. None of those 4 are top-tier. Look who Anytime has just sliced through to get where he is vs Midas. I'd be suprised if Nada wins this OSL, he's NOT on-form.
What is your point? You know how well Nada is doing because why? He beat all of those opponents. Losing to Xellos is not bad, and just because Xellos has a "history" of choking vs Nada means nothing. People can't change? Also, Goodfriend is definitely top tier and RAPING him 3-0 TvT is not "nothing."
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