We may be able to review some games in http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/brood-war/429855-recommended-snipealot-games
But what about the games in LoveTV for which I haven't found many vods yet?
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duke91
Germany1458 Posts
We may be able to review some games in http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/brood-war/429855-recommended-snipealot-games But what about the games in LoveTV for which I haven't found many vods yet? | ||
Stratos
Czech Republic6104 Posts
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GeckoXp
Germany2013 Posts
For past 2007 this is the closest of an actual collection: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/brood-war/473747-pimpest-plays-russian-style foreigners only though | ||
Cele
Germany4012 Posts
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duke91
Germany1458 Posts
On December 28 2014 09:37 Cele wrote: i agree, it's hard to judge which games were best. But if you would do something like this, im sure people will apreciate, even if they disagree with you, so it's a pretty cool idea! You got my support (; Pimpest plays were mostly one cool/unusual move or innovative strategy, not a "good game" per se. For instance, extensively using DA, Scouts, Infested terran which was crucial(!) in winning the game etc. edit: also consider that pimpest plays were a collection first (although 90% were boxer anyway), after which dyo made highlight videos. I was just thinking about collecting them | ||
Probemicro
3708 Posts
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TelecoM
United States10583 Posts
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Cele
Germany4012 Posts
On December 28 2014 10:28 duke91 wrote: Show nested quote + On December 28 2014 09:37 Cele wrote: i agree, it's hard to judge which games were best. But if you would do something like this, im sure people will apreciate, even if they disagree with you, so it's a pretty cool idea! You got my support (; Pimpest plays were mostly one cool/unusual move or innovative strategy, not a "good game" per se. For instance, extensively using DA, Scouts, Infested terran which was crucial(!) in winning the game etc. edit: also consider that pimpest plays were a collection first (although 90% were boxer anyway), after which dyo made highlight videos. I was just thinking about collecting them yeah im aware of that, i've been around in that time aswell. I meant best as in "best suited to be selected as pimpest play game". But as i said: go for it, if you want to. €: i'd focus on the foreigner scene, as that was the focus of the original pimpest plays and this scene needs some <3, korean BW has plenty as of now :D | ||
Mirabel_
United States1768 Posts
HiyA's nuke rush against Sziky in Sept 2013 and most of the games PianO wins showcase powerful and unusual individual plays, but by 2015 all BW spectators already have a mental list of insane high-risk high-reward plays introduced over the years, and the novelty of these builds has largely worn off. The dominant players of today are the generation Anytime criticized as "too mechanical" and not focusing on strategic play, but most strategies and cutenesses just haven't stood the test of time, and what was baller then is just impractical BM now. The game of Brood War starts when both players are playing with the full deck, and the decks have grown bigger and bigger, and hands have grown thicker and thicker. Look at all the original pimpest plays - with a few exceptions you could beat them all with Day[9]'s Occam's razor mantra: "Go fucking kill them". Yet a three-pronged attack against an afreeca ex-pro, if it succeeds on only one front, is enough for commentators to invoke the names of the stylish gods of the LSTB years. tl;dr: Starcraft is no longer a micro-centric RTS. There are no "greatest moments" left. There are plenty of "greatest strategies" and points we like to give out for originality and showmanship, but we're not far off from the era when "pimpest plays" will be indistinguishable from the games themselves, from start to finish. And from there, we can still take a step back and look at the entire sets being played and metagame psychology. P.S.: The scene is building momentum so I think we're going to have many memorable games, though not many moments, as the stakes grow higher and higher. | ||
c3rberUs
Japan11285 Posts
Also Anytime can't put all the blame on the players imho. The maps after his prime became focused on bringing out long games as opposed to maps like Neo Blaze (I watched earlier this day) where the natural has 3 mineral fields lol (what was the point of FE haha). New maps have litttle to no features that can be exploited for strategic play. I think Anytime criticized the fact that people just do standard stuff to be safe and don't explore other options to gain an advantage. | ||
nanaoei
3358 Posts
On December 28 2014 13:40 Mirabel_ wrote: + Show Spoiler + I think the definition of pimp plays has become outdated as players operate on larger and larger scales with more and more standardized macro-heavy play. We entered, then exited an era where DarkElf could dismantle the mechanically superior Jaedong on Roadrunner by secretly switching from mech to SK Terran, while Really could throw a Medic into his mech force to blind Jangbi's observers and shuttle to mine his way to victory on Match Point - we crossed from Lost Temple-era heroic individual units to Python-era pivotal engagements to Fighting Spirit-era large-scale strategic maneuvers to end-days subtle metagame fuckery. The scope for what qualified as a pimp play gradually shifted away from the view window and towards the minimap and resource counter as the giants of each era grew more and more muscular, more optimized and immune to cute shit. What's more, they took longer to perform and became more dependent on how unexpected they were. Every race has its resourceful showmen now, and you know them by their integration of spellcasters and tendency to juggle simultaneous engagements. HiyA's nuke rush against Sziky in Sept 2013 and most of the games PianO wins showcase powerful and unusual individual plays, but by 2015 all BW spectators already have a mental list of insane high-risk high-reward plays introduced over the years, and the novelty of these builds has largely worn off. The dominant players of today are the generation Anytime criticized as "too mechanical" and not focusing on strategic play, but most strategies and cutenesses just haven't stood the test of time, and what was baller then is just impractical BM now. The game of Brood War starts when both players are playing with the full deck, and the decks have grown bigger and bigger, and hands have grown thicker and thicker. Look at all the original pimpest plays - with a few exceptions you could beat them all with Day[9]'s Occam's razor mantra: "Go fucking kill them". Yet a three-pronged attack against an afreeca ex-pro, if it succeeds on only front, is enough for commentators to invoke the names of the stylish gods of the LSTB years. tl;dr: Starcraft is no longer a micro-centric RTS. There are no "greatest moments" left. There are plenty of "greatest strategies" and points we like to give out for originality and showmanship, but we're not far off from the era when "pimpest plays" will be indistinguishable from the games themselves, from start to finish. And from there, we can still take a step back and look at the entire sets being played and metagame psychology. P.S.: The scene is building momentum so I think we're going to have many memorable games, though not many moments, as the stakes grow higher and higher. greeeeeatt post. tony the tiger would be proud. a think a point should be made that not only do we have to weed through many more games to be able to find goofy (by today's standards) plays, we're also only just seeing 'professional' play come up again. i'm sure each pro has their own little personal collection of funny moments, but really there have been no stakes to personal games other than a W or a L for a practice game. why don't you wait until the upcoming SSL to see if you'll get a player who wants to be goofy? once a game gets derailed heavily, heavy creativity gets a chance to come into play. | ||
Mirabel_
United States1768 Posts
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Stratos
Czech Republic6104 Posts
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Stratos
Czech Republic6104 Posts
There is a lot of cool shit you'll find if you look | ||
GeckoXp
Germany2013 Posts
On December 28 2014 13:40 Mirabel_ wrote: I think the definition of pimp plays has become outdated as players operate on larger and larger scales with more and more standardized macro-heavy play. We entered, then exited an era where DarkElf could dismantle the mechanically superior Jaedong on Roadrunner by secretly switching from mech to SK Terran, while Really could throw a Medic into his mech force to blind Jangbi's observers and shuttle to mine his way to victory on Match Point - we crossed from Lost Temple-era heroic individual units to Python-era pivotal engagements to Fighting Spirit-era large-scale strategic maneuvers to end-days subtle metagame fuckery. The scope for what qualified as a pimp play gradually shifted away from the view window and towards the minimap and resource counter as the giants of each era grew more and more muscular, more optimized and immune to cute shit. What's more, pimp plays took longer to perform and became more dependent on how long they went unnoticed. Every race has its resourceful showmen now, and you know them by their integration of spellcasters and tendency to juggle simultaneous engagements. HiyA's nuke rush against Sziky in Sept 2013 and most of the games PianO wins showcase powerful and unusual individual plays, but by 2015 all BW spectators already have a mental list of insane high-risk high-reward plays introduced over the years, and the novelty of these builds has largely worn off. The dominant players of today are the generation Anytime criticized as "too mechanical" and not focusing on strategic play, but most strategies and cutenesses just haven't stood the test of time, and what was baller then is just impractical BM now. The game of Brood War starts when both players are playing with the full deck, and the decks have grown bigger and bigger, and hands have grown thicker and thicker. Look at all the original pimpest plays - with a few exceptions you could beat them all with Day[9]'s Occam's razor mantra: "Go fucking kill them". Yet a three-pronged attack against an afreeca ex-pro, if it succeeds on only one front, is enough for commentators to invoke the names of the stylish gods of the LSTB years. tl;dr: Starcraft is no longer a micro-centric RTS. There are no "greatest moments" left. There are plenty of "greatest strategies" and points we like to give out for originality and showmanship, but we're not far off from the era when "pimpest plays" will be indistinguishable from the games themselves, from start to finish. And from there, we can still take a step back and look at the entire sets being played and metagame psychology. P.S.: The scene is building momentum so I think we're going to have many memorable games, though not many moments, as the stakes grow higher and higher. what? | ||
Peeano
Netherlands4455 Posts
On December 28 2014 16:10 Stratos wrote: Zero's lurker vessel snipe for #1. | ||
Stratos
Czech Republic6104 Posts
+more cute. Probe could harass drones thru minerals and hide in the corner to recharge. Guemchi vs zero lsl sponleague s2 finals On December 19 2014 23:13 Stratos wrote: Show nested quote + On December 19 2014 23:12 c3rberUs wrote: Guemchi glitches a worker into the back and gets stuck. Wonder if its intentional. | ||
Retuh
Germany76 Posts
If you publish the PP14 i will consider to make a movie about it like PP06. Feel free to contact me in case of interest. When there is an other person in charge of it i am happy aswell! | ||
shakigami
216 Posts
On December 28 2014 16:38 Stratos wrote: Hiya's wraith bio vs Hoon #2 There is a lot of cool shit you'll find if you look http://youtu.be/zCePR5-HJZ4 btw, who is the #1 zerg and protoss? | ||
Mirabel_
United States1768 Posts
On December 28 2014 23:45 shakigami wrote: Show nested quote + On December 28 2014 16:38 Stratos wrote: Hiya's wraith bio vs Hoon #2 There is a lot of cool shit you'll find if you look http://youtu.be/zCePR5-HJZ4 btw, who is the #1 zerg and protoss? Given what qualifications? If you're looking for fish ladder points That would be ZerO and Shuttle. If you're factoring in individual league winnings this year it's Bisu and Killer/hero. You can also say Movie. There's plenty of approaches to deciding #1 and none of them are all-encompassing. | ||
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