Guess we'll centralize all discussion related to the Busan qualifier in here.
Brackets; http://challonge.com/asl_busan_01 to http://challonge.com/asl_busan_12 -- Alternately here: http://challonge.com/users/seronp
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GTR
51133 Posts
Guess we'll centralize all discussion related to the Busan qualifier in here. Brackets; http://challonge.com/asl_busan_01 to http://challonge.com/asl_busan_12 -- Alternately here: http://challonge.com/users/seronp | ||
GTR
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Group 1: Hyuk By.Spire Leta HyuN Group 2: Noble Drug Saint Lomo IcaruS island GuemChi Group 3: Nabi Bale HoeJJa Sky Shuttle Minus)Eagle BrAvO Group 4: Pure NamJa Shine LittleMan Feat firebathero Luna Tyson Mind Group 5: Pusan Iris Britney Group 6: MIsO Kwanro Movie Scan PerfectMan Rush Group 7: NaDa Mighty KT.MGW)Money Horang2 Group 8: beast Jeco Nal_rA Zeus trOt Soulkey Group 9: Shinee OniclePianO Jaehoon JyJ Pianist Sea.KH Wolf Group 10: KEH Mini Sexy Group 11: Terror Lazy [Oops]ClouD Ample Tazza 910 Group 12: sKyHigh Sweetly free | ||
FlaShFTW
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Wonk
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I'm digging through but I haven't found them yet. I'm hoping Iris or FBH can squeeze through also. | ||
LaStScan
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GTR
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EDIT: Apparently he's part of Kongdoo and streams LoL on Afreeca. http://www.afreecatv.com/watchfact | ||
Wonk
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Aylear
Norway3988 Posts
Predictions: Group 1: Leta Group 2: GuemChi, although the other old schoolers would be fun too Group 3: Shuttle Group 4: Mind says Tyson, heart wants firebathero Group 5: Iris Group 6: Mind says Miso, heart wants Movie (but good luck anyway Scan) Group 7: NaDa, please be awesome Group 8: Mind says Soulkey, everything else that I am says Nal_rA, please Kang Min, please old boy, find a win <3 Group 9: Jaehoon Group 10: Mini Group 11: Oh my god, Terror is in the running, which is just sickening Group 12: free, although sKyHigh would be fun too | ||
trutaCz
Poland686 Posts
Group 1: Hyun Group 2: GuemChi Group 3: Shuttle Group 4: Mind Group 5: Iris Group 6: Miso,Movie,Scan,Rush (LOL), hard to predict Group 7: NaDa Group 8: Soulkey Group 9: Piano Group 10: Mini Group 11: Terror Group 12: Free | ||
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Aylear
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From Group 2: Noble (권혁진 ) is out, lost to GuemChi (김승현 ) who is still advancing Saint (김동현) appears to be out, lost to 김주영? Lomo (손주흥 ) appears to be out, lost to 배진우? IcaruS (박승호) appears to be out, lost to 최진영? Copy-paste the names and see for yourself. Seems weird. | ||
GTR
51133 Posts
On April 02 2017 09:41 LaStScan wrote: From seoul to pusan is like 400km. Some players just want to play on one or the other because participating for both is draining a lot of energy. Also, breaking more than 100usd for the round trip. Im sure some players wont come even though they have signed up for pusan. | ||
Aylear
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES48987 Posts
On April 02 2017 09:25 FlaShFTW wrote: a travesty if guemchi doesnt make it through, same with shuttle. fuck shuttle, lets see my boy Hoejja make it through. | ||
BigFan
TLADT24917 Posts
Group 1: Leta Group 2: GuemChi/Lomo/IcaruS Group 3: Bale/Shuttle/BrAvO Group 4: Luna/Mind/Shine/firebathero Group 5: Iris Group 6: Scan/Movie/Kwanro Group 7: NaDa ONLY Group 8: Nal_rA/Soulkey Group 9: PianO/Jaehoon Group 10: Mini Group 11: ClouD/Ample Group 12: sKyHigh/free PLEASE Nada advance! | ||
Aylear
Norway3988 Posts
Shuttle (김윤중) is still in, currently beating randoms Looks like HoeJJa (고강민) no-showed Sky (하늘) is still in, two opponents no-showed Eagle (진웅) no-showed BrAvO (노준규) is still in, currently waiting in semis. Will be fighting Sky if Sky wins his game | ||
duke91
Germany1458 Posts
Group 2: (P)GuemChi Group 3: (Z)HoeJJa Group 4: (P)Tyson Group 5: (T)Iris Group 6: (P)Movie Group 7: (P)Horang2 Group 8: (Z)Soulkey Group 9: (P)Jaehoon Group 10: (P)Mini Group 11: (Z)Terror Group 12: (P)free | ||
GTR
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Aylear
Norway3988 Posts
Mind (박성균) seems to be waiting for his opponent, 박지훈? firebathero (이성은) appears to have no-showed Shine (이영한) appears to be waiting for his opponent, 서정우? Pure (박세정) is still playing, fighting some random currently | ||
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Aylear
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Leta (신상문) is OUT, lost against 허유진 who moves on to face HyuK HyuK (박재혁) waited for Leta in semifinals, playing against 허유진 next instead HyuN (고석현) beat By.Spire (김상곤) and crushed everyone, is waiting for HyuK or 허유진 in the grand finals | ||
BLinD-RawR
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GTR
51133 Posts
On April 02 2017 11:19 BLinD-RawR wrote: Shine has to make it through and be placed in the same group as Bisu. but who's going to observe?!?!?!?! | ||
BigFan
TLADT24917 Posts
On April 02 2017 11:15 Aylear wrote: Group 1: Leta (신상문) is OUT, lost against 허유진 who moves on to face HyuK HyuK (박재혁) waited for Leta in semifinals, playing against 허유진 next instead HyuN (고석현) beat By.Spire (김상곤) and crushed everyone, is waiting for HyuK or 허유진 in the grand finals ah Leta is out? Sad Who's 허유진?) | ||
Aylear
Norway3988 Posts
On April 02 2017 11:24 BigFan wrote: Show nested quote + On April 02 2017 11:15 Aylear wrote: Group 1: Leta (신상문) is OUT, lost against 허유진 who moves on to face HyuK HyuK (박재혁) waited for Leta in semifinals, playing against 허유진 next instead HyuN (고석현) beat By.Spire (김상곤) and crushed everyone, is waiting for HyuK or 허유진 in the grand finals ah Leta is out? Sad Who's 허유진?) I have no idea, he seems to be some unknown amateur. TLPD and Liquipedia and Google has no results for him. Sad about Leta though, definitely. =( | ||
Aylear
Norway3988 Posts
Mind (박성균) is still in it, fighting for a semifinals spot Shine (이영한) is also fighting for a semifinals spot against Pure (박세정) right now, winner gets to fight Mind (if he wins) Pure (박세정) fighting Shine (이영한) for a chance to meet Mind (if he wins) | ||
TheFoReveRwaR
United States10657 Posts
On April 02 2017 11:10 BigFan wrote: Sad to hear about the no shows but it makes sense based on what Scan said. Hopefully, more players than not show up What did Scan say? And where? Huh? *General confusion noises* | ||
Aylear
Norway3988 Posts
On April 02 2017 11:28 TheFoReveRwaR wrote: Show nested quote + On April 02 2017 11:10 BigFan wrote: Sad to hear about the no shows but it makes sense based on what Scan said. Hopefully, more players than not show up What did Scan say? And where? Huh? *General confusion noises* On April 02 2017 09:41 LaStScan wrote: From seoul to pusan is like 400km. Some players just want to play on one or the other because participating for both is draining a lot of energy. Also, breaking more than 100usd for the round trip. Im sure some players wont come even though they have signed up for pusan. Explains the no-shows we've had. | ||
classicyellow83
United States2393 Posts
On April 02 2017 11:24 BigFan wrote: Show nested quote + On April 02 2017 11:15 Aylear wrote: Group 1: Leta (신상문) is OUT, lost against 허유진 who moves on to face HyuK HyuK (박재혁) waited for Leta in semifinals, playing against 허유진 next instead HyuN (고석현) beat By.Spire (김상곤) and crushed everyone, is waiting for HyuK or 허유진 in the grand finals ah Leta is out? Sad Who's 허유진?) He's a Afreeca BW BJ. | ||
Aylear
Norway3988 Posts
Grand finals is happening. GuemChi (김승현) vs 최진영, some player who advanced via like 3 walkovers. Should be a sure win. | ||
Aylear
Norway3988 Posts
Shuttle (김윤중) vs Sky (하늘) right now. Winner gets to fight... BrAvO (노준규) - waiting for Shuttle or Sky in semifinals 정윤성 (who dis?) is waiting for Shuttle, Sky, or BrAvO, in the grand finals. | ||
Aylear
Norway3988 Posts
이인규, some random dude, got a full set of walkovers in the lower bracket and is waiting in the grand finals for Mind or Shine or Pure lol | ||
Probemicro
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Raelcun
United States3747 Posts
On April 02 2017 11:42 Aylear wrote: Mind won his game in group 4, advances to semifinals. Waiting for Shine or Pure. 이인규, some random dude, got a full set of walkovers in the lower bracket and is waiting in the grand finals for Mind or Shine or Pure lol The return of the Zlasher bracket. | ||
GTR
51133 Posts
Sea is doing Shuttle's POV. | ||
TheFoReveRwaR
United States10657 Posts
On April 02 2017 11:29 Aylear wrote: Show nested quote + On April 02 2017 11:28 TheFoReveRwaR wrote: On April 02 2017 11:10 BigFan wrote: Sad to hear about the no shows but it makes sense based on what Scan said. Hopefully, more players than not show up What did Scan say? And where? Huh? *General confusion noises* Show nested quote + On April 02 2017 09:41 LaStScan wrote: From seoul to pusan is like 400km. Some players just want to play on one or the other because participating for both is draining a lot of energy. Also, breaking more than 100usd for the round trip. Im sure some players wont come even though they have signed up for pusan. Explains the no-shows we've had. Thank you. | ||
Aylear
Norway3988 Posts
Monstrous Progeny of Capitalism fighting! | ||
GTR
51133 Posts
Sea Stream: Shine POV vs Mind Game 1 Circuit Breaker | ||
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classicyellow83
United States2393 Posts
"I'm going to tear him apart" | ||
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BigFan
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On April 02 2017 12:01 Aylear wrote: HyuN wins group 1! Takes it over HyuK, Leta, and By.Spire. gg I don't think he would've been able to make it out of other groups but congrats to him! Still, leta T.T | ||
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Aylear
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On April 02 2017 12:03 BigFan wrote: Show nested quote + On April 02 2017 12:01 Aylear wrote: HyuN wins group 1! Takes it over HyuK, Leta, and By.Spire. gg I don't think he would've been able to make it out of other groups but congrats to him! Still, leta T.T Yeah, I was really hoping Leta would make it. Still not a bad result from group 1 though, we need more Zergs in the ASL. | ||
GTR
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Aylear
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Pusan (박지호) is there, waiting for opponents Iris (변형태) appears to have no-showed Britney (김봉준) is there, waiting for opponents Don't know if there are any other notables in this group. Edit: ZergStyLe (권기범) appears to be there, or someone sharing his name. | ||
GTR
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Shine vs Mind Game 1 still going on. | ||
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Aylear
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Salbahe
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trutaCz
Poland686 Posts
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GTR
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shine takes game 1 in a 40 minute game!!! | ||
Aylear
Norway3988 Posts
Also, Shine just beat Mind 1st game, bloody well done. What a nutty game, like 40 minutes? | ||
Wonk
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BigFan
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On April 02 2017 12:31 GTR wrote: dont know whether to feel sorry for the guy who got wo'd to the finals in group 4 having to wait, knowing he's probably going to get creamed by the winner of mind/shine. shine takes game 1 in a 40 minute game!!! game was fantastic! | ||
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Wonk
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Even though I think Soulkey is getting so much better and I think he'll put on a really good show this season, my heart just wants Nal_rA to show em all up. EDIT: Who's currently on Sea's stream, is that Mind POV of their 2nd game? | ||
Poly_Optimize
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Aylear
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MisO (한두열) is there, waiting for opponent Kwanro (한상봉) is absent, looks like a no-show =( Movie (진영화) is here (which I knew; he drove up with Shuttle), and is waiting for opponent Scan (유승곤) is here, waiting for opponent PerfectMan (김태균) also no-showed Rush (유영진) is here, got so many walkovers he's in the semifinals already | ||
classicyellow83
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prech
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Wonk
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On April 02 2017 12:43 classicyellow83 wrote: shine advances Wow. that game was quick after the marathon first. Real shame not to see Mind qualify, but I'm looking forward to seeing Shine's moves in ASL (presuming). | ||
classicyellow83
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Stax736
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classicyellow83
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Poly_Optimize
Canada155 Posts
On April 02 2017 12:42 Aylear wrote: Group 6 in the house: MisO (한두열) is there, waiting for opponent Kwanro (한상봉) is absent, looks like a no-show =( Movie (진영화) is here (which I knew; he drove up with Shuttle), and is waiting for opponent Scan (유승곤) is here, waiting for opponent PerfectMan (김태균) also no-showed Rush (유영진) is here, got so many walkovers he's in the semifinals already There are 30 slots in the challonge bracket and 22 didnt show up (-1).. It is strange that it is so easy to just register and not show up. | ||
BigFan
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On April 02 2017 12:43 Aylear wrote: Holy crap, Shine 2-0 Mind? ya, amazing. Game 1 was crazy good. | ||
Aylear
Norway3988 Posts
On April 02 2017 12:49 BigFan wrote: ya, amazing. Game 1 was crazy good. Yeah it was, I was watching it closely in between updating the thread. I figured Mind would make another fight of it in the second game though, but that ended before I knew it had begun. Really well played by Shine though. Sad for Mind, he was apparently very upset he didn't play better. | ||
Wonk
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soldier8
Russian Federation60 Posts
Waiting for Soulkey | ||
Aylear
Norway3988 Posts
Bloody hell, good luck Scan. | ||
Aylear
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Edit: Very even race spread in ASL season 3 so far. 7 Toss, 6 Terran, 7 Zerg. | ||
LuMiX
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Aylear
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On April 02 2017 13:03 Metal[x] wrote: are people directly invited who placed well last season? Only the top 4 from last season were automatically seeded into season 3. Remaining spots are up for grabs. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Afreeca_Starleague_Season_3 | ||
prech
United States2948 Posts
On April 02 2017 13:03 Metal[x] wrote: are people directly invited who placed well last season? Yup, the top 4 are: Afreeca Starleague Season 3 | ||
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LuMiX
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Wonk
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On April 02 2017 13:03 Metal[x] wrote: are people directly invited who placed well last season? The top four players of last season don't have to do this qualifying round. The only one of them there is Sea, he always streams these. I doubt Jaedong or Flash would take the trip. All the streamers converging to watch shuttle eat made me laugh for some reason. | ||
soldier8
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prech
United States2948 Posts
On April 02 2017 12:47 classicyellow83 wrote: Fuck... Mind is on Sea's stream and he's super pissed. Can only be mad at himself for failing to perform :/ Thanks for the translations | ||
Aylear
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Wonk
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On April 02 2017 13:06 soldier8 wrote: terror plays protoss You're right, what's up with that? He just wanted a change or did he lose a bet or something? I'd hardly be surprised. "drink all this soy sauce or you have to qualify as protoss" | ||
trutaCz
Poland686 Posts
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ZeroChrome
Canada1001 Posts
Scans MnM build failed | ||
soldier8
Russian Federation60 Posts
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bosnia
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Aylear
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NaDa (이윤열) is there, playing against some random name Mighty (이광용) no-showed KT.MGW)Money (정도현) no-showed 이경민 was thought to be Horang2, but Horang2 appears to be in group 12. Shared name? Thanks PTR NaDa free ride? Not the way I wanted him to win. | ||
GTR
51133 Posts
Guess there is two of him with the same name. | ||
Aylear
Norway3988 Posts
beast (유진우) is there, playing against 강민 first round Jeco (심대성) is there, playing against 임재훈 second round NAL_RA 강민 KANG MIN SENPAI IS THERE, playing against 유진우 first round Zeus (전태규) is there, playing against 피재훈 second round trOt (박성진) no-showed SoulKey (김민철) is there, waiting in first round | ||
Aylear
Norway3988 Posts
On April 02 2017 13:17 GTR wrote: Horang2 is there, but I think he's in Group 12. Guess there is two of him with the same name. Oh hey, you're right. Group 12 has 이경민 who is probably Horang2. Hope that's right then. | ||
ShloobeR
Korea (South)3802 Posts
it didn't have to be this way : ( | ||
Stax736
United States119 Posts
It's over. Come on Movie just finish off Rush and you are in. | ||
Aylear
Norway3988 Posts
On April 02 2017 13:25 ShloobeR wrote: Hmm SK vs Kangmin it didn't have to be this way : ( Yeah. This is probably the end of Nal_rA's tournament bid. SoulKey has been really solid lately... | ||
ZeroChrome
Canada1001 Posts
Movie absolutely terrorized Scans main with a reaver while having his main pushed. | ||
trutaCz
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Stax736
United States119 Posts
On April 02 2017 13:27 ZeroChrome wrote: Movie 2-0 Scan Movie absolutely terrorized Scans main with a reaver while having his main pushed. It's going to be Rush vs Movie in the finals right? | ||
deathgod6
United States5063 Posts
On April 02 2017 13:26 Stax736 wrote: is Scan mining off only one base? It's over. Come on Movie just finish off Rush and you are in. Which stream is scan playing on? Nvm | ||
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BigFan
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On April 02 2017 13:16 Aylear wrote: Group 7 in the house: NaDa (이윤열) is there, playing against some random name Mighty (이광용) no-showed KT.MGW)Money (정도현) no-showed 이경민 was thought to be Horang2, but Horang2 appears to be in group 12. Shared name? Thanks PTR NaDa free ride? Not the way I wanted him to win. I wouldn't call it a free ride though yes, it's not as challenging as some other groups. | ||
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BigFan
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On April 02 2017 13:49 Aylear wrote: Dunno, I've been trying to figure that out. I keep missing the names and faces of the people they're watching, and I don't know all the faces in the scene. =( No worries, maybe someone knows. Also, TvT looks really interesting. Looks of dropship vs dropship micro lol | ||
Stax736
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Wonk
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On April 02 2017 13:48 BigFan wrote: who are the players on Sea's stream? Looks like TvT and PvZ The Protoss in Nal_rA, isn't it? I recognise his cup of tea. Not sure who the Zerg is. | ||
Aylear
Norway3988 Posts
On April 02 2017 13:53 Wonk wrote: Show nested quote + On April 02 2017 13:48 BigFan wrote: who are the players on Sea's stream? Looks like TvT and PvZ The Protoss in Nal_rA, isn't it? I recognise his cup of tea. Not sure who the Zerg is. I was just about to say I think that's Nal_rA. Those cheekbones and those glasses, and that hair. | ||
soldier8
Russian Federation60 Posts
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Stax736
United States119 Posts
NM Miso won. | ||
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BigFan
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On April 02 2017 14:00 Aylear wrote: Oh god damn it, Sea's stream exploded while Nal_rA was still playing on Outsider... ya and it looked close too! | ||
Broodwar4lyf
303 Posts
was watching that | ||
Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
So his first round opponent is http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sospa/players/3234_beast | ||
Aylear
Norway3988 Posts
http://challonge.com/ASL_Busan_06 | ||
Aylear
Norway3988 Posts
Pusan is in grand finals. Britney is still playing in brackets. | ||
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ZeroChrome
Canada1001 Posts
On April 02 2017 14:08 Wonk wrote: Now I have no idea who's the protoss on Larva's. It's not still Nal_rA cause it's a game that just started on outsider. Its Britney | ||
dataXploit
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Aylear
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On April 02 2017 14:10 dataXploit wrote: Pusan showing some cool games, but Nal_ra's goon reaver play was super exciting until sea stopped streaming That was an abrupt stream cut too. Maybe his phone ran out of battery power or something. | ||
Aylear
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Fish_Baguettes
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Aylear
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Shinee (김재현) is there, waiting for opponents due to walkovers Onicle (조상현) is there PianO (임진묵) is there Jaehoon (김재훈) is there! JyJ (정영재) is there Pianist (노지호) no-showed Sea.KH (손경훈) is there Wolf (박승현) no-showed | ||
Aylear
Norway3988 Posts
On April 02 2017 14:12 Fish_Baguettes wrote: Any updates on Nal_ra? What's the score like atm We don't know, Sea's stream died in the middle of Nal_rA's game and he was the only one watching him. Currently hammering F5 on the Challonge brackets but they aren't updating consistently... | ||
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Aylear
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On April 02 2017 14:14 ZeroChrome wrote: Nal_ra lost 2-0 Sigh. Nal_rA lost against beast then. Couldn't even play SoulKey. | ||
Fish_Baguettes
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Aylear
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KEH (김은호) is there Mini (변현제) is there Sexy (이영웅) no-showed Anyway, with Nal_rA out, I might just call it a night. | ||
ZeroChrome
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Broodwar4lyf
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
On April 02 2017 14:14 Aylear wrote: Group 9 in the house: Shinee (김재현) is there, waiting for opponents due to walkovers Onicle (조상현) is there PianO (임진묵) is there Jaehoon (김재훈) is there! JyJ (정영재) is there Pianist (노지호) no-showed Sea.KH (손경훈) is there Wolf (박승현) no-showed Wolf was registered? That sounds like it would be someone with the same name not him. Because I know him, he's training to be an MMA fighter nowadays... in fact I ran into him and our coach late last night. I'll ask him if it's him but seems unlikely. | ||
BLinD-RawR
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Aylear
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On April 02 2017 14:21 Liquid`Jinro wrote: Show nested quote + On April 02 2017 14:14 Aylear wrote: Group 9 in the house: Shinee (김재현) is there, waiting for opponents due to walkovers Onicle (조상현) is there PianO (임진묵) is there Jaehoon (김재훈) is there! JyJ (정영재) is there Pianist (노지호) no-showed Sea.KH (손경훈) is there Wolf (박승현) no-showed Wolf was registered? That sounds like it would be someone with the same name not him. Because I know him, he's training to be an MMA fighter nowadays... in fact I ran into him and our coach late last night. I'll ask him if it's him but seems unlikely. Oh sure, ask if you can get a hold of him. We're all just going by the names in the brackets here. For instance, someone with the same name as Horang2 was in group 7, but Horang2 is actually in group 12 so we were confused. | ||
Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
On April 02 2017 14:22 BLinD-RawR wrote: you're in KR? Yeah I never left. Been here 7 years now. On April 02 2017 14:23 Aylear wrote: Show nested quote + On April 02 2017 14:21 Liquid`Jinro wrote: On April 02 2017 14:14 Aylear wrote: Group 9 in the house: Shinee (김재현) is there, waiting for opponents due to walkovers Onicle (조상현) is there PianO (임진묵) is there Jaehoon (김재훈) is there! JyJ (정영재) is there Pianist (노지호) no-showed Sea.KH (손경훈) is there Wolf (박승현) no-showed Wolf was registered? That sounds like it would be someone with the same name not him. Because I know him, he's training to be an MMA fighter nowadays... in fact I ran into him and our coach late last night. I'll ask him if it's him but seems unlikely. Oh sure, ask if you can get a hold of him. We're all just going by the names in the brackets here. For instance, someone with the same name as Horang2 was in group 7, but Horang2 is actually in group 12 so we were confused. Sent him a kakao message. Would be cool if it was him but didn't think he played at all anymore since he's studying+training all the time. | ||
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Aylear
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On April 02 2017 14:25 ZeroChrome wrote: Movie has qualified for the ASL! My heart said Movie would win, so I'm glad I can end on that note. <3 But yeah, with Nal_rA out I'm gonna hit the hay. Have fun watching everyone, good luck keeping track of everything. OP/second post in the thread has notable players if you need to check who's still to play. gg everyone. | ||
ZeroChrome
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Winner plays against the winner of beast vs Soulkey in the finals. Nada is in the semis of his group. | ||
Liquid`Jinro
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On April 02 2017 14:23 Aylear wrote: Show nested quote + On April 02 2017 14:21 Liquid`Jinro wrote: On April 02 2017 14:14 Aylear wrote: Group 9 in the house: Shinee (김재현) is there, waiting for opponents due to walkovers Onicle (조상현) is there PianO (임진묵) is there Jaehoon (김재훈) is there! JyJ (정영재) is there Pianist (노지호) no-showed Sea.KH (손경훈) is there Wolf (박승현) no-showed Wolf was registered? That sounds like it would be someone with the same name not him. Because I know him, he's training to be an MMA fighter nowadays... in fact I ran into him and our coach late last night. I'll ask him if it's him but seems unlikely. Oh sure, ask if you can get a hold of him. We're all just going by the names in the brackets here. For instance, someone with the same name as Horang2 was in group 7, but Horang2 is actually in group 12 so we were confused. Yeah, not him. Oh well would have been cool | ||
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rand0MPrecisi0n
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On April 02 2017 14:29 Aylear wrote: My heart said Movie would win, so I'm glad I can end on that note. <3 But yeah, with Nal_rA out I'm gonna hit the hay. Have fun watching everyone, good luck keeping track of everything. OP/second post in the thread has notable players if you need to check who's still to play. gg everyone. thansk for the info ggs | ||
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On April 02 2017 14:24 Liquid`Jinro wrote: Yeah I never left. Been here 7 years now. So, does this mean we can count on you for photos for the upcoming ASL season? | ||
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ZeroChrome
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On April 02 2017 14:34 BigFan wrote: man, nal_ra being out is such a downer Anyone know anything about Nada????? I believe Nada is now in the finals of his group | ||
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Liquid`Jinro
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On April 02 2017 14:35 BigFan wrote: Show nested quote + On April 02 2017 14:24 Liquid`Jinro wrote: On April 02 2017 14:22 BLinD-RawR wrote: you're in KR? Yeah I never left. Been here 7 years now. So, does this mean we can count on you for photos for the upcoming ASL season? Haha, I take terrible photos | ||
dataXploit
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ShloobeR
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On April 02 2017 15:14 BigFan wrote: Nada news? Bracket says he's in the finals, waiting for the other semis to finish I think we have SK vs Sharp on Mong's stream now | ||
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CadenZie
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so long wait for him | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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On April 02 2017 15:25 ShloobeR wrote: I feel like SK could be finishing games a lot more easily if he wasn't so prone to going guardians But will guardians be enough to beat flash? | ||
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Sharp wins what looks like a weird game with quite a lot of valks | ||
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And he does, SK looking to be in a pretty good position now | ||
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Soulkey Qualifies for ASL! | ||
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Wonk
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MY BOOOOY | ||
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L_Master
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On April 02 2017 15:53 Wonk wrote: Soulkey qualifies! MY BOOOOY YES! YES YES YES | ||
ShloobeR
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Moon Ki Ho, I'm not sure who Nada is playing against | ||
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Nada going for academy before cc. | ||
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On April 02 2017 15:59 Fazers wrote: Who is the zerg currently playing on Larva's stream? Terror | ||
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prech
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On April 02 2017 15:53 ShloobeR wrote: Soulkey 2 : 1 Sharp Soulkey Qualifies for ASL! Boy, first Mind, now Sharp and Rush. Not a good showing from Terran | ||
ShloobeR
Korea (South)3802 Posts
On April 02 2017 16:01 bovienchien wrote: The group 7 of NaDa no have Zerg player but I am watching him against Zerg player. Who is playing with NaDa? The group has zerg players but they are unknown amateurs. I have searched TLPD and Naver for the zerg he is playing against and I can't find him as far as I can tell Nada is playing a random amateur zerg | ||
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Wonk
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On April 02 2017 16:01 bovienchien wrote: The group 7 of NaDa no have Zerg player but I am watching him against Zerg player. Who is playing with NaDa? The ones listed at the start of the thread aren't the only players in that bracket, they're just the notable ones, the rest are unknowns. | ||
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On April 02 2017 16:06 onlystar wrote: haha sweet terror getting rekt by nada? lovely <3 No Terror and Nada are not playing the same game Terror is playing vs Lazy Nada is playing vs some random Amateur | ||
Wonk
546 Posts
On April 02 2017 16:06 ShloobeR wrote: He would be the 7th terran to advance to ASL if he wins this match. 5th if you don't count the two who were seeded. I think he means today, 7 qualifiers and 0 terrans so far. It's going to really throw the perfect balance we had from yesterday. | ||
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ShloobeR
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that is very not good for Nada after going double starport | ||
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Wonk
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Boo. So..... who qualified? | ||
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On April 02 2017 16:17 HyralGambit wrote: Who is 문기호 that just beat NaDa to advance to Ro24? Anyone know his English tag? I've been writing about that above, I have no idea who it is I can't find him anywhere | ||
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GTR
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every ASL needs nobodies. | ||
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Liquid`Jinro
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On April 02 2017 16:17 HyralGambit wrote: Who is 문기호 that just beat NaDa to advance to Ro24? Anyone know his English tag? Some quick googling suggests NtO'Ho9 | ||
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cafe.naver.com | ||
Liquid`Jinro
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On April 02 2017 16:23 ShloobeR wrote: He also used the tag NtO'ISU And long ago hwangso[ScM] I think. | ||
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Any idea who's playing on Nal_rA's stream? | ||
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EDIT: yeah, free won | ||
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prech
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On April 02 2017 16:39 ShloobeR wrote: Terror is out Strong PvZ play from Lazy Don't think I've seen Terror play BW more than once a month, same with Britney. Props for taking the effort to qualify in both Seoul and Busan, but probably for the better this way... | ||
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On April 02 2017 16:52 Vivi57 wrote: Jaehoon qualifies Oh I didn't think he'd even played Piano yet the bracket was slow to update I guess Mini loses a game to amateur zerg | ||
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On April 02 2017 16:58 ShloobeR wrote: Only terrans remaining are Skyhigh, Cloud and an unknown thank you for news! I hope to Skyhigh and Cloud ^^! | ||
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The zerg actually got 2 lurkers into his main and killed his nexus but just couldnt hold off the zealots if he hadn't wasted the 3rd lurker he probably would have won Mini Qualifies for ASL | ||
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Has to still beat Cloud then the amateur Terran though. | ||
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free qualifies! | ||
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On April 02 2017 18:08 gngfn wrote: Was Tazza a famous/popular LoL player before he retired? yes, his ID in LoL is Watch. Primarily had a fanbase that cared about him more for his looks than his plays. Zeus was his coach during the BW days which makes sense as to why he's watching over him so closely. | ||
TooLate
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EDIT: Already got answered. Damn, cool to see him in SCBW. | ||
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On April 02 2017 15:10 GTR wrote: PUSAN QUALIFIES IN PUSAN Paging Plexa! :D | ||
bovienchien
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Terran almost can't win in the bluestorm and outsider map! | ||
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On April 02 2017 18:22 riptide wrote: Paging Plexa! :D indeed | ||
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EDIT: He decides to do a 4gate instead of 2gate reaver and gets punished for it | ||
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On April 02 2017 21:03 TT1 wrote: dirty protosses, dont worry they'll all fall like paper planes what is your meaning? | ||
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BigFan
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On April 02 2017 16:28 TT1 wrote: Does NaDa even play seriously? Every time i turn on his stream he's either teamplaying or playing a ums.. You must've been tuning in a while back then. Every time I tuned in recently he's being playing 1v1 etc... I think he was taking this seriously so seeing him lose to an amateur is disheartening | ||
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On April 02 2017 21:25 bovienchien wrote: Show nested quote + On April 02 2017 21:03 TT1 wrote: dirty protosses, dont worry they'll all fall like paper planes what is your meaning? Agree with bovienchien... what are you trying to say TT1? | ||
BigFan
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On April 02 2017 14:44 Liquid`Jinro wrote: Show nested quote + On April 02 2017 14:35 BigFan wrote: On April 02 2017 14:24 Liquid`Jinro wrote: On April 02 2017 14:22 BLinD-RawR wrote: you're in KR? Yeah I never left. Been here 7 years now. So, does this mean we can count on you for photos for the upcoming ASL season? Haha, I take terrible photos That's OK, we'll make do | ||
CuckFapitalism
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I was actually surprised at the Terran dominance we've been seeing because I feel in general that if the standard in Korean pros falls on average, then so should Terran. (as it's generally the most APM intensive). The maps may or may not have played a role in it. It could she be the way she goes. | ||
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Aylear
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What the fuck. =) This is now how I expected the draw to look. Winners GuemChi Shuttle Pusan Movie Jaehoon Mini free Lazy HyuN Shine NtO'Ho9 문기호 Soulkey Notable exits Hyuk By.Spire Leta Noble Lomo (no-showed) IcaruS (no-showed) HoeJJa Sky Minus)Eagle BrAvO Pure firebathero (no-showed ) Tyson Mind Iris (no-showed) Britney MIsO Kwanro (no-showed) Scan PerfectMan (no-showed) Rush NaDa ( ) Horang2 beast (knocked out Nal_rA though) Nal_rA (Sigh... I need a moment ) Zeus Shinee PianO Terror [Oops]ClouD Ample Tazza 910 sKyHigh Predictions Aylear's predictions: Group 1: Leta (HyuN won) Group 2: GuemChi Group 3: Shuttle Group 4: Tyson (Shine won) Group 5: Iris (Pusan won, Iris no-showed) Group 6: Mind Miso, heart Movie (Movie won) Group 7: NaDa, please be awesome ( I suppose NtO'Ho9 문기호 will be interesting though.) Group 8: Soulkey Group 9: Jaehoon Group 10: Mini Group 11: Terror (Lazy won) Group 12: free 6/12 trutaCz's predictions Group 1: Hyun Group 2: GuemChi Group 3: Shuttle Group 4: Mind (Shine won) Group 5: Iris (Pusan won, Iris no-showed) Group 6: Miso,Movie,Scan,Rush (LOL), hard to predict (Movie won) Group 7: NaDa (NtO'Ho9 문기호 won) Group 8: Soulkey Group 9: Piano (Jaehoon won) Group 10: Mini Group 11: Terror (Lazy won) Group 12: Free 6/12 duke91's predictions Group 1: Leta (HyuN won) Group 2: GuemChi Group 3: HoeJJa (Shuttle won, HoeJJa no-showed) Group 4: Tyson (Shine won) Group 5: Iris (Pusan won, Iris no-showed) Group 6: Movie Group 7: Horang2 (NtO'Ho9 문기호 won) [Note: See below] Group 8: Soulkey Group 9: Jaehoon Group 10: Mini Group 11: Terror (Lazy won) Group 12: free 6/12 Well we're all pathetically average. Note on duke91's Horang2 prediction: Horang2 did play in the tournament, but he was in group 12. Someone in group 7 had Horang2's name. duke91 may have predicted differently if we had known that at the time. BigFan also made predictions, but he added like every name in the group to each entry so he is 1/12 and 8/12 simultaneously, averaging about 4.5/12. On April 02 2017 10:55 BigFan wrote: Some of these groups are really rough :/ I wanted Nal_ra to advance but he's with Soulkey who I also wanted to advance. Scan got a really hard group too. What I hope to advance in no particular order: Group 1: Leta Group 2: GuemChi/Lomo/IcaruS Group 3: Bale/Shuttle/BrAvO Group 4: Luna/Mind/Shine/firebathero Group 5: Iris Group 6: Scan/Movie/Kwanro Group 7: NaDa ONLY Group 8: Nal_rA/Soulkey Group 9: PianO/Jaehoon Group 10: Mini Group 11: ClouD/Ample Group 12: sKyHigh/free PLEASE Nada advance! | ||
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Aylear
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On April 03 2017 00:50 ortseam wrote: I don't think any result was an upset, except for Shine >Mind I agree, and even there I thought Shine would make a fight of it. Most of the groups could have gone one of two or three ways. | ||
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L1ghtning
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On April 03 2017 00:50 ortseam wrote: I don't think any result was an upset, except for Shine >Mind I don't know if you can count Shine knocking out a stronger player an upset. That's just Shine being Shine. | ||
soldier8
Russian Federation60 Posts
Last official FvZ... | ||
duke91
Germany1458 Posts
On April 03 2017 00:26 Aylear wrote: Just got back. What the fuck. =) This is now how I expected the draw to look. Winners GuemChi Shuttle Pusan Movie Jaehoon Mini free Lazy HyuN Shine NtO'Ho9 문기호 Soulkey Notable exits Hyuk By.Spire Leta Noble Lomo (no-showed) IcaruS (no-showed) HoeJJa Sky Minus)Eagle BrAvO Pure firebathero (no-showed ) Tyson Mind Iris (no-showed) Britney MIsO Kwanro (no-showed) Scan PerfectMan (no-showed) Rush NaDa ( ) Horang2 beast (knocked out Nal_rA though) Nal_rA (Sigh... I need a moment ) Zeus Shinee PianO Terror [Oops]ClouD Ample Tazza 910 sKyHigh Predictions Aylear's predictions: Group 1: Leta (HyuN won) Group 2: GuemChi Group 3: Shuttle Group 4: Tyson (Shine won) Group 5: Iris (Pusan won, Iris no-showed) Group 6: Mind Miso, heart Movie (Movie won) Group 7: NaDa, please be awesome ( I suppose NtO'Ho9 문기호 will be interesting though.) Group 8: Soulkey Group 9: Jaehoon Group 10: Mini Group 11: Terror (Lazy won) Group 12: free 6/12 trutaCz's predictions Group 1: Hyun Group 2: GuemChi Group 3: Shuttle Group 4: Mind (Shine won) Group 5: Iris (Pusan won, Iris no-showed) Group 6: Miso,Movie,Scan,Rush (LOL), hard to predict (Movie won) Group 7: NaDa (NtO'Ho9 문기호 won) Group 8: Soulkey Group 9: Piano (Jaehoon won) Group 10: Mini Group 11: Terror (Lazy won) Group 12: Free 6/12 duke91's predictions Group 1: Leta (HyuN won) Group 2: GuemChi Group 3: HoeJJa (Shuttle won, HoeJJa no-showed) Group 4: Tyson (Shine won) Group 5: Iris (Pusan won, Iris no-showed) Group 6: Movie Group 7: Horang2 (NtO'Ho9 문기호 won) [Note: See below] Group 8: Soulkey Group 9: Jaehoon Group 10: Mini Group 11: Terror (Lazy won) Group 12: free 6/12 Well we're all pathetically average. Note on duke91's Horang2 prediction: Horang2 did play in the tournament, but he was in group 12. Someone in group 7 had Horang2's name. duke91 may have predicted differently if we had known that at the time. BigFan also made predictions, but he added like every name in the group to each entry so he is 1/12 and 8/12 simultaneously, averaging about 4.5/12. Show nested quote + On April 02 2017 10:55 BigFan wrote: Some of these groups are really rough :/ I wanted Nal_ra to advance but he's with Soulkey who I also wanted to advance. Scan got a really hard group too. What I hope to advance in no particular order: Group 1: Leta Group 2: GuemChi/Lomo/IcaruS Group 3: Bale/Shuttle/BrAvO Group 4: Luna/Mind/Shine/firebathero Group 5: Iris Group 6: Scan/Movie/Kwanro Group 7: NaDa ONLY Group 8: Nal_rA/Soulkey Group 9: PianO/Jaehoon Group 10: Mini Group 11: ClouD/Ample Group 12: sKyHigh/free PLEASE Nada advance! Obviously I would have predicted my man NTO'Ho9 to win. Always rated him | ||
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Aylear
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http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Afreeca_Starleague_Season_3#Participants | ||
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On April 03 2017 05:00 Aylear wrote: Bisu qualified in Seoul. This thread is for the Busan qualifier that happened after it. Here's all the people who have qualified for ASL season 3: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Afreeca_Starleague_Season_3#Participants thank you! I didn't know they were 2 qualifiers. | ||
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SlayerS_BunkiE
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oh well, flash is in anyway... | ||
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LaStScan
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On April 03 2017 11:58 shakigami wrote: so who is NtO'Ho9 문기호 ? A zerg who plays only crazy zerg style in zvt. 2h muta ultra switch user. | ||
Probemicro
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honestly they should pick the best performing amateurs and let them duke it out for 1-2 reserved amateur spots or something similar, its a better qualifying method than the current system where random amateur going through via the combination of easy bracket+luck avoiding most top pros | ||
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bovienchien
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On April 03 2017 11:58 shakigami wrote: so who is NtO'Ho9 문기호 ? Person won NaDa 2-1 to advanced to group 24 in the ASL3 | ||
L_Master
United States7946 Posts
On April 03 2017 13:26 LaStScan wrote: A zerg who plays only crazy zerg style in zvt. 2h muta ultra switch user. Is he pretty good, or did he just happen to have a very fortunate run/hot streak? | ||
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Miragee
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On April 03 2017 00:26 Aylear wrote: BigFan also made predictions, but he added like every name in the group to each entry so he is 1/12 and 8/12 simultaneously, averaging about 4.5/12. Typical BigFan, he is always on every side of the issue, lol. | ||
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