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With the rumors about SKT and KT founding teams and maybe a return of Proleague, do you think it is wise to rely solely on sponsors for the health of the scene? I mean in the past there had been very shady things going on i.e. the scandal about coach Park, Effort and CJ, or the collusion of teams to keep salaries low. I think the next generation of teams have to seriously diversify their income sources.
Considering how much in donations the top 40 streamers get per month, and the disposable income of the average BW viewer (I guess many BW viewers are not students anymore), I think enabling fan ownership is a very sensible option for the next generation (as well as opening merchandising shops, enough passionate fans out there who would splurge money for overpriced jerseys :D)
For example, being a member of the German football club Borussia Dortmund for a yearly fee of about 60€, you will be able to participate in the general assembly, as well as having the right to vote. That is only 5€
The advantages of this system should be clear:
1) No sole dependence on the grace of corporate decisions, leading to more stability.
2) Less collusion
3) More incentives to support young and upcoming players, instead of "good-looking stars" in order to promote the sponsor's brand. Hell people can even vote on who they want in.
4) High market barriers are removed nowadays because pro's can support themselves very well via stream donations. So potential for more than 8-10 teams, even 'lower division' teams.
5) Local teams who can compete in lower divisions but are not professional (don't solely support themselves by donations).
6) If the sponsor drops out, the team lives on albeit with lower salaries.
7) The dream of having a foreign-based team in Korea competing, supported by the foreign community + increased interactions with foreigners.
Disadvantages
1) Companies may be less inclined to sponsor teams if they can't put their brand everywhere and have full authority.
2) Not proven to work in esports
3) Sponsored teams may want to buy all superstars.
Poll: Team membership, Yay or NaY?SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY (14) 48% I think teams should be totally sponsor-based (8) 28% I would totally support my team with a small membership fee (7) 24% 29 total votes Your vote: Team membership, Yay or NaY? (Vote): I would totally support my team with a small membership fee (Vote): SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY (Vote): I think teams should be totally sponsor-based
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where is the money and what makes you think we can organize such teams?
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Wasn't this kind of like SBENU before it fell off the map?
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On April 28 2017 10:40 BLinD-RawR wrote: where is the money and what makes you think we can organize such teams?
We don't organize it, but we have decision making power with our votes. Also in the very beginning, teams will be similar to current teams like Moo, Neox, or WGM, just that some other source of income apart from sponsorship and donations can be offered. Over time, this may grow to significant membership numbers such that progamers may be more incentivised to provide results instead of stream (looking at you Bisu)
In other words, membership fees is another form of donation which is more stable, benefits the teams and we can also decide to funnel money to non-superstars, which may foster new talent.
I think especially up and coming players would support this kind of security and don't need to rely on streaming donations.
What speaks against diversifying income sources?
On April 28 2017 10:47 GGzerG wrote: Wasn't this kind of like SBENU before it fell off the map?
I mean SBENU was a child project by Sonic. It's more like FC Chelsea and Abramovich. The point is to not solely rely on one person/company for the stability and health of pro-gaming teams.
Of course SKT and KT are free to own teams, but there can also be other teams which do not need sponsors to survive.
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i am in new york city! teach me good, please~
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Here's the conundrum of this idea, and any BW teamleague in general:
Formal teams are a good idea for newcomers to try and establish themselves into the system, but are conversely a bad idea for established & star players who wish to stay independent and earn from streaming.
You can have teams, but recruiting star players will be difficult without some sort of serious incentive. Oh, and don't even think that full-time teamhouses are a viable option, because they aren't.
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On April 28 2017 12:23 Chris_Havoc wrote:
Oh, and don't even think that full-time teamhouses are a viable option, because they aren't.
Why?
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Teams don't prevent streaming. Star players don't need to be in a team house, or may be only required during the proleague season. It is not the Kespa days anymore
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On April 28 2017 12:32 GGzerG wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2017 12:23 Chris_Havoc wrote:
Oh, and don't even think that full-time teamhouses are a viable option, because they aren't. Why?
1) Cost. Teamhouse aren't exactly cheap to run without sponsorship. 2) Pros have come to value their independence. Do you honestly think someone with a wife and children would want live in a teamhouse fulltime or even parttime? Also consider that some players don't live in Seoul anymore.
On April 28 2017 12:34 duke91 wrote: Teams don't prevent streaming. Star players don't need to be in a team house, or may be only required during the proleague season. It is not the Kespa days anymore
It's possible, but some players may not wish, or may have difficultly, commuting to and from teamhouses. Especially those players who live outside of Seoul.
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Any team that doesn't have one of TBLS would have next to no membership so forget about having 8-10 teams.
Nobody in the scene right now has the capability to do anything like this anyways. Only KeSPA could organize something on this scale, and them being involved rules out fan ownership right off the bat.
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On April 28 2017 15:21 ZeroChrome wrote: Any team that doesn't have one of TBLS would have next to no membership so forget about having 8-10 teams.
Nobody in the scene right now has the capability to do anything like this anyways. Only KeSPA could organize something on this scale, and them being involved rules out fan ownership right off the bat.
The least amount a progamer got in donation was Tyson with 3k. I dont get the narrative that only tbls make money. Otherwise there would only be tbls doing full time streaming.
FYI every football club in Germany is owned by fans and there are many divisions and like 500k sports clubs of all kinds usually supported solely by membership fees. So it is impossible for 10 starcraft clubs to form and support players? The top 40 streamers in total earned at least 500k-600k estimated a month. There is huge support there for progamers. You would think that this amount can also support teams.
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Definitely sounds intriguing. To get it started, though, would be next to impossible. Even the language barrier is too much IMO. I mean, we can get 300 guys and each donate 5 eur and what? We get one pro in our alpha-team, called whatever. He can't communicate with us without a translator, he can just stream and we can watch.
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i would donate 5 € per month to see cryoc play in the next starleague!
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