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Hello I was referred to here by members of the Blizzard SC:Remastered fourms (https://us.battle.net/forums/en/starcraft/topic/20757486607?page=2)
I wanted to see what the SC community feels about ZOTAC CUP integrating weekly/bi-weekly Battlefy online tournaments for SC:R.
Since 2009, we've hosted many Broodwars and SC2 tournaments but have stopped after HoTS, but since SC:R is coming out, we would like reintegrate this into our platform.
How do you guys feel about this? We would also love some suggestions/feedback on what kind of tournament format would be best for players. Thanks!
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Bearded Elder29873 Posts
Well.
There is only one answer.
HELL YES.
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I would love me some ZOTACs.
I always appriciated ZOTAC for hosting BW tournaments back in the days. That's why I enjoyed playing them in SC2 as well. Would be super nostalgic to play some in SC/BW RM
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Hell yeah!
Also get the streamers and casters in - may be Day9?
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Do you guys have a website where we can get more information about your tournaments? It might also be helpful to include basic information (time, date, format, prize pool if any, etc.
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would be much appreciated
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That would be great :D
As for the format, I think with the player pool slight increase the best would be Single Elimination BO3, Double Elimination probably would take too long.
Also, u should probably make it clear at the very beginning if u allow Koreans or not.
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I think everyone would appreciate more BW tournaments. On a side note, here we go.....
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On August 04 2017 02:59 JungleTerrain wrote: Do you guys have a website where we can get more information about your tournaments? It might also be helpful to include basic information (time, date, format, prize pool if any, etc.
Yes we do; however, I do not know if this would be violation of forum rules. I do not want it to be considered " advertising". I do not want this thread to be shut down.
In terms of basic information, we have still yet to figure it out, but we do know that there will definitely be a small prize pool for placings, and, for format, would love to see some suggestions/recommendations since I've been out of the SC scene for quite some time.
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On August 04 2017 03:01 Bonyth wrote: That would be great :D
As for the format, I think with the player pool slight increase the best would be Single Elimination BO3, Double Elimination probably would take too long.
Also, u should probably make it clear at the very beginning if u allow Koreans or not.
Thank you for your comments. Yes, double-elim would probably take too long.
As for region restrictions, this is not a bad suggestion. I've seen many winners from different regions in the past Cups; however, I would assume that some players would like to play against other talents from different regions such as Korea. Am I incorrect?
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As far as I know, TeamLiquid is perfectly fine with you advertising your tournaments on TL in the appropriate section if they are an established and real tournament that is accessible to TL players and/or viewers. I think it is a good thing that you have reached out to the community first.
1. YES we want more tournaments. 2. The "should Koreans be allowed" question should be something you as an organization should decide as it has caused a lot of drama in the past. There are more than enough people on either side of the issue so you will garner interest, followers, and whiners regardless of what you choose. 3. Thank you!
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Allow koreans in the tournament dont baby the foreign scene
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Loved playing in ZOTAC cups in SC2, would love to do the same in BW
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On August 04 2017 03:14 cKranez wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2017 03:01 Bonyth wrote: That would be great :D
As for the format, I think with the player pool slight increase the best would be Single Elimination BO3, Double Elimination probably would take too long.
Also, u should probably make it clear at the very beginning if u allow Koreans or not. Thank you for your comments. Yes, double-elim would probably take too long. As for region restrictions, this is not a bad suggestion. I've seen many winners from different regions in the past Cups; however, I would assume that some players would like to play against other talents from different regions such as Korea. Am I incorrect? thanks for this,i think will be nice to have some kind of super final with koreans included (maybe a korean only tour qualifer that gives access to the super final)but for regular tourneys only foreigners. and +1 for single elimination,looking for the maps you have in mind aswell :D
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This would be amazing as long as it was non korean only tournament's.
EDIT : It would still be awesome even if Koreans were allowed, but I think it would be better for the foreign scene if it was foreigners only.
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rank restricted tournaments based on ladder rank plz >:D
but srsly: any open tournament = awesome
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On August 04 2017 08:06 vaL4r wrote: rank restricted tournaments based on ladder rank plz >:D
but srsly: any open tournament = awesome
Rank restriction isn't a suggestion, but we're looking for a more open tournament where we would not need to any players from joining. We would players and inexperienced players to be able to play. I think this would held inevitably grow the community.
In regards, to region locking the tournaments, this would be a difficult decision to make. Thanks for the suggestions and replies! Keep them coming :D
Also, having a larger, more professional tournament where there would be a LAN final, might be a possibility also if Blizzard permits. Haha
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Just speaking for myself but I would be even more inclined to participate if I knew the tournament is open to anyone so I could face Koreans (amateur or not).
Whatever decision you make, I really liked Zotacs in SCII I'm sure it'll be just as awesome or better, great initiative, thanks!
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would that been EU or NA ?
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Yes please!
Having top koreans sometimes is nice, but majority of the time it would be better for tours to be only for foreigners, then you can at least picture yourself of winning in your head for a while :D So I would suggest than most tournaments would be just for foreigners also.
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On August 04 2017 09:06 cKranez wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2017 08:06 vaL4r wrote: rank restricted tournaments based on ladder rank plz >:D
but srsly: any open tournament = awesome Rank restriction isn't a suggestion, but we're looking for a more open tournament where we would not need to any players from joining. We would players and inexperienced players to be able to play. I think this would held inevitably grow the community. In regards, to region locking the tournaments, this would be a difficult decision to make. Thanks for the suggestions and replies! Keep them coming :D Also, having a larger, more professional tournament where there would be a LAN final, might be a possibility also if Blizzard permits. Haha If you're planning something larger, I would suggest region locking qualifiers and leveraging existing Korean events so that you don't have to do so much work on that side.
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I have really nice memories with Zotac cups from my SC2 period. Its gonna be definetly AWESOME to see Zotac SC:R tournaments!
Q: wich days you will prefer for the tournaments?
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Throwing some ideas: seems like sundays are unoccupied by any tournaments in the evening CEST times
as for the region locking, u could make every 2nd tournament open
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France1916 Posts
Koreans allowed vs Foreigners only tournaments. Porque no los dos?
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I think region locking is a must in the beginning. There are other ways to go toe-to-toe against the koreans if one desires. There are few ways for foreign SC:R players to gain recongnition and also to find the motivation to get better if they are all eliminated pre finals every tournament they attend.
Having a weekly SC:R tournament to look forward to can do a lot for the foreign scene in terms of thriving. You could mix it with like having 3 region locked tournaments per month and a global open-for-all tournament every 4th or every 3rd week, to let the Koreans in on the fun.
I've always had this idea in my head ever since I played sc2 professionally regarding donations and online tournaments. What if people watching the finals on stream could donate (cap it at like 5$) through paypal or whatever to the finals prize pool? I think it would be an interesting mechanic that could add more value and prestige to online tournament finals. Say all of a sudden the prize pool jumps up from 50$ to 150$ due to 100 people donating 5$ each. It certainly adds more pressure to the finalists, they also reap a bigger reward if they pull it off. This could also be an outlet for people to support their favorite player.
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I would only like if organizers of some future tournaments gonna think about the players, because if u put players outside of korea and then players from korea its already lagging, then if u add observers to the game (live cast) it becomes super shit unplayable(playing game on 8 turn rate already sucks, playing game on 8 turn rate high latency it's just disaster..)
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ALLEYCAT BLUES48898 Posts
I'd agree that limited time region locking should be on the table, let the scene get on its feet first.
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Russian Federation470 Posts
We have "Have at you!" tourney with koreans allowed. Would be cool to have nonkorean tourney now. cKranez look at recently closed weekly tournament Filthy cup results, to see why many people would like nonkorean tourney. Skill difference between koreans and foreigners in BW is enormous.
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On August 04 2017 19:50 Bonyth wrote: Throwing some ideas: seems like sundays are unoccupied by any tournaments in the evening CEST times
as for the region locking, u could make every 2nd tournament open
Sundays would generally be the best idea. Then try to find a time that suits both EU/US. Like 16-17:00 for EU which would me around 10-12 AM for US would probably be doable.
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I think like it's too early, like 19-20 CET would be much better
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Bearded Elder29873 Posts
Also as much I loved Defiler / HaveAtYou tournaments in the past there are few things that needs to be adressed.
There should be a rule where a player that checks-in and doesn't attend the tournament anyway should be banned for the next 2-3 editions, just to avoid BYE rounds. I understand that sometimes emergency situations kicks in, so maybe allow player to forfeit once and in the next scenario he gets punished by not being let to play in next 1-2-3-4-5 editions of tournament? I somehow feel it should be adressed.
If it comes to bracket/region locking it's more up to player than a community member / spectator like me, so I'm not taking any side.
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Nice initiative ! Single elimination bo3/bo5 , 3 tours for foreigners only and 1 monthly for everyone would be good. 17-00 cet Sunday is perfect imo.
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Would be great.
Would limited Korean involvement be possible? Something that gives a platform for new Korean amateurs while giving foreigners experience playing regular human Koreans instead of Flash... Something like "If you've played in major Korean tournaments X, Y or Z in past year then you can't join"?
The gulf would probably still be too big to do this straight up but maybe in addition to some other limiting factor like errr ... 739 above said "Braket/region locking" not sure on the details but... yea, a package that not only guaranteed lots of foreigners late in the tourney but also let mortal Koreans participate.
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A foreigner only tournament would be nice to see every once in a while. If you want to go the route of letting Koreans play, I'd say make it open for all every other tournament. Judging from the past, there's only a few Koreans who participate in foreign tournaments anyways. I think it's time to cater to the foreigners now that we might have a bigger player base incoming.
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On August 04 2017 08:04 GGzerG wrote: This would be amazing as long as it was non korean only tournament's.
EDIT : It would still be awesome even if Koreans were allowed, but I think it would be better for the foreign scene if it was foreigners only.
Rather than no koreans, make it amateur only i.e. none who are participating in ASL or are playing the in the qualifier, Ajae members allowed
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regarding region locking, imo its a little weird to region lock by locking out only 1 nationality?? so if its a global online tournament, allow koreans? I mean I see the point of a korea only tournament, or north america only, or europe only or whatever, but "all but one location" kinda weird no? lol idk it makes sense if you want non koreans to have a chance to win... so.......... IDK but its definitely great to have open to all tournaments
as a viewer, I think it would be even more interesting to watch such a tourney especially to see games between good/best foreigners and good/best koreans, but at the same time sure it's nice to see games between best foreigners.. still would have such so. as a player, if I participate in a tourney I'd be happy to have a chance to play vs koreans, however I'm not someone who would have any chance to win such a tourney so I understand that players would want to see tourneys they have a chance to win even if they don't live in the best place to practice^^ cause for sure potential rewards motivate a great deal to keep getting better, even not prize money like just video I guess^^
I think single elimination BO3 sounds great
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On August 04 2017 20:30 dignitas.merz wrote: Say all of a sudden the prize pool jumps up from 50$ to 150$ due to 100 people donating 5$ each.
What kind of math they teach in Sweden merzie? :D
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On August 05 2017 03:02 iG.Arcneon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2017 20:30 dignitas.merz wrote: Say all of a sudden the prize pool jumps up from 50$ to 150$ due to 100 people donating 5$ each. What kind of math they teach in Sweden merzie? :D Oh SHIT.
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Does Blizzard have any plans for SC:R automated tournaments?
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what is an automated tournament?
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It's in SC2. System will create tournaments every few hours. Winners get special bling bling.
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On August 05 2017 04:15 Psyonic_Reaver wrote: It's in SC2. System will create tournaments every few hours. Winners get special bling bling.
That would be fun, too. Yet, a real tournament with a (however sized) prize pool and casters and a little show and rivalry attached to it is still the best boost to the community.
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Awesome idea, looking forward to it
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TLADT24917 Posts
Good idea. I'll have to chime in and say that at first foreigner only is a good idea but then you could open every 2nd or 3rd tournament for all, including Koreans. As mentioned, aside from lag issues, the skill difference is pretty large and that deters (and also fires up lol) some of the foreign players.
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Oh baby, this is a wonderful idea! Please make it happen!
EDIT: And yes, I would like Koreans to be included as well, maybe like every other tournament foreigner only and every other open for all?
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ALLEYCAT BLUES48898 Posts
On August 05 2017 05:21 stefantheterran wrote:Oh baby, this is a wonderful idea! Please make it happen! EDIT: And yes, I would like Koreans to be included as well, maybe like every other tournament foreigner only and every other open for all?
there are 4 weeks in a month, have 3 weeks foreigner only and the last week be open for all.
I understand why people are against foreigner only tournaments from a viewer perspective but in the longer run we want both kinds of tournaments to give players the choice.
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Someone who's really looking forward to play in as many tournaments as possible:
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On August 05 2017 03:02 iG.Arcneon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2017 20:30 dignitas.merz wrote: Say all of a sudden the prize pool jumps up from 50$ to 150$ due to 100 people donating 5$ each. What kind of math they teach in Sweden merzie? :D
Now this is why I never read math past high school :D
EDIT: The point still stands though
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Currently, I think the majority sentiments from the community, is that we should have region restricted tournaments. I also feel that this is probably the best route to go; however, in addition to the region locked tournaments, I think having a global one where there would be no restrictions would be awesome.
In addition to region restriction, the best format would be to have it single-elimination with a best 2 of 3 (until Semis which will be best 3 of 5). How about maps? Any suggestions?
I'll relay all your awesome suggestions to my team and see if we can move forward with this. It's definitely awesome to see the enthusiasm and support from the Starcraft community for this. Thank you to you all, for taking the time to give us your feedback. It's very much appreciated.
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God I hope teamleagues come back~
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On August 07 2017 08:34 cKranez wrote: Currently, I think the majority sentiments from the community, is that we should have region restricted tournaments. I also feel that this is probably the best route to go; however, in addition to the region locked tournaments, I think having a global one where there would be no restrictions would be awesome.
In addition to region restriction, the best format would be to have it single-elimination with a best 2 of 3 (until Semis which will be best 3 of 5). How about maps? Any suggestions?
I'll relay all your awesome suggestions to my team and see if we can move forward with this. It's definitely awesome to see the enthusiasm and support from the Starcraft community for this. Thank you to you all, for taking the time to give us your feedback. It's very much appreciated. Circuit breakers Aztec Sniper Ridge Uzi Sara
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United Kingdom3685 Posts
I'd be interested in casting these, although I'm not sure I'd be able to commit to doing it every week.
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On August 07 2017 08:46 Sayle wrote: I'd be interested in casting these, although I'm not sure I'd be able to commit to doing it every week.
Great, we are definitely looking to stream the tournaments. I will definitely reach out to you if this moves forward. Thank you!
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About maps:
standard map pool: Circuit Breaker, Fighting Spirit good, known maps but not so overly-played: Sniper Ridge, Overwatch, Outsider, Match Point, Jade, Electric Circuit, Demian, Blue Storm, Aztec older but still playable maps: Destination, Longinus, Tau Cross
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Zotac Cup is back? Hot damn
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I'd say have at least 1 standard 4 player map, one 2 player map, one 3 player map, and one non-standard "novelty" 4 player map. I think in general you should have at least 2 "non-standard" maps, but maybe not more than that. Then you can add any other maps if you want to round out the map pool. These are just my personal "minimum" requirements for what I consider an interesting map pool. Of course this depends on how big the map pool is (I'm assuming like 5 maps).
I also think it would be cool to add at least 1 foreigner made map.
I tried to think about balance and variation between player # (2, 3 or 4), style (standard or non-standard), and tilesets.
Here's an example:
Standard 4-Player: Circuit Breakers Standard 2-Player: Odd-Eye Non-Standard 3-Player: Triathlon Non-Standard 4-Player: Electric Circuit Foreign Map (Standard or non)
Another example:
Standard 4-Player: Eye of the Storm Non-Standard 2-Player: Monte Cristo Non-Standard 3-Player: Pathfinder Standard 4-Player: Grand Line Foreign Map (Most likely standard)
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Relevant repost from Broodwar Tournament section:
Here we are boys! ZOTAC CUP will be hosting StarCraft: Remastered tournaments in the next few months
So tell your friends, significant other, family, enemies, whoever... let's make this a successful tournament series!
If the community feels strongly about certain changes, we can definitely try to accommodate them. I would love to hear all your feedback or any questions/concerns any of you might have.
ZOTAC CUP has something pretty BIG in the works for StarCraft:Remastered. I'll be posting weekly updates about the tournament so be sure to follow to get the latest scoop:
twitter.com/zotaccup facebook.com/zotaccup
** Disclaimer: This is all contingent on finalization of the Blizzard licensing, but so far, we're pretty much good to go.
Total Prize Pool: - 1st: $300 - 2nd: $120 - 3rd/4th: $90/$90
Who / When: - North America &South America / September 16, 2017 - Europe / September 24, 2017 - South Korea / September 30, 2017 - GLOBAL / November 11, 2017 (Played on EU server / Streamed LIVE)
Format: - Brackets: Double Elimination / Best of 1 - Quarter/Semi/Grand Finals - Best 3 of 5
Maps: Current StarCraft: Remastered Ranked Maps Arcadia CircuitBreakers 1.0 Fighting Spirit Nostalgia 1.2 Python 1.3
Rules: - ICCUP Competitive Rules apply: ((Wiki)Competitive_Rules) - Map Banning will be done via Battlefy - More TBA please visit Battlefy website.
*** PS : I'll add more to this as soon as more details become available.
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yay :D thanks for hosting this will try to play for sure
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On September 07 2017 08:07 cKranez wrote:
I really like the banner.
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On August 05 2017 15:08 TT1 wrote:Someone who's really looking forward to play in as many tournaments as possible:
just he said he wanna play in tournaments that fits his time schedule (so weekends mostly and not to late) and most importent of maps he knows
otherwise he will have to learn maps before he not wanna play this tours he never heard of the maps in his life ^^
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On September 07 2017 11:16 ninazerg wrote:I really like the banner.
Thank you, I'm glad you like it. Will you be participating in our tournaments?
On September 07 2017 19:57 Drake wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2017 15:08 TT1 wrote:Someone who's really looking forward to play in as many tournaments as possible: just he said he wanna play in tournaments that fits his time schedule (so weekends mostly and not to late) and most importent of maps he knows otherwise he will have to learn maps before he not wanna play this tours he never heard of the maps in his life ^^
Yes, I've talked to him a few times on his stream. I personally would love to see him participate.
It's pretty important we get a good amount of participants; otherwise, the grim reality is, we might not be able to run more in the future. I really went out on a limb to get SC:RM reintroduced into our platform. My childhood onto my teens were nothing but Starcraft, so I have a special soft spot for StarCraft. I would love to see a revival and be a part of it.
On the bright side, ZOTAC CUP has something exciting planned for SC:RM that we have yet to announce .
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Wow, thanks for your effort. As much as a dislike the idea of banning Scan, i think foreigner only will generate more participants.
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Yes it is always fun to get your noob ass kicked in a tournament!
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the nostalgia playing zotac cup once again, hell yeh much appreciated.
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On September 08 2017 08:12 lagcats wrote: the nostalgia playing zotac cup once again, hell yeh much appreciated.
Nice to have you back!
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It is amazing, but what we really need is some sort of league.
I'd give my left nut for another TSL
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On September 09 2017 09:17 thezanursic wrote: It is amazing, but what we really need is some sort of league.
I'd give my left nut for another TSL
ZOTAC would love to create a league; however,this is hard, since the number of players that play the game aren't that great compared to others out there... I would love for a SC league .
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Hello a copy & pasta for those who are not currently aware:
Hey guys, sorry it took so long, we had a lot of things that needed to be checked off before we could proceed with the tournaments. Due to many voting for the change, we've decided to replace Nostalgia with Tau Cross. Without further a do, here is the registration link for the Americas region tournament this weekend:
http://bit.ly/2fB1nUp
Also, please let your friends know let's have a great tournament for the Americas region.
Let me know if anybody have any questions. I look forward to seeing you all in game.
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On September 21 2017 02:48 cKranez wrote:Hello a copy & pasta for those who are not currently aware: Hey guys, sorry it took so long, we had a lot of things that needed to be checked off before we could proceed with the tournaments. Due to many voting for the change, we've decided to replace Nostalgia with Tau Cross. Without further a do, here is the registration link for the Americas region tournament this weekend: http://bit.ly/2fB1nUpAlso, please let your friends know let's have a great tournament for the Americas region. Let me know if anybody have any questions. I look forward to seeing you all in game.
american
make a europe one xD the best foreigns currently are cleary in europe so most fun to watch would be there as well
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Korea (South)11557 Posts
do you have to be physically in the Americas to participate? I'm from the U.S. but I live in Korea now.
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On September 22 2017 16:13 Drake wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2017 02:48 cKranez wrote:Hello a copy & pasta for those who are not currently aware: Hey guys, sorry it took so long, we had a lot of things that needed to be checked off before we could proceed with the tournaments. Due to many voting for the change, we've decided to replace Nostalgia with Tau Cross. Without further a do, here is the registration link for the Americas region tournament this weekend: http://bit.ly/2fB1nUpAlso, please let your friends know let's have a great tournament for the Americas region. Let me know if anybody have any questions. I look forward to seeing you all in game. american make a europe one xD the best foreigns currently are cleary in europe so most fun to watch would be there as well
There is an european one as well. Look at the thread in the tournament section
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On August 07 2017 10:03 JungleTerrain wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I'd say have at least 1 standard 4 player map, one 2 player map, one 3 player map, and one non-standard "novelty" 4 player map. I think in general you should have at least 2 "non-standard" maps, but maybe not more than that. Then you can add any other maps if you want to round out the map pool. These are just my personal "minimum" requirements for what I consider an interesting map pool. Of course this depends on how big the map pool is (I'm assuming like 5 maps). I also think it would be cool to add at least 1 foreigner made map. I tried to think about balance and variation between player # (2, 3 or 4), style (standard or non-standard), and tilesets. Here's an example: Standard 4-Player: Circuit BreakersStandard 2-Player: Odd-EyeNon-Standard 3-Player: TriathlonNon-Standard 4-Player: Electric CircuitForeign Map (Standard or non) Another example: Standard 4-Player: Eye of the StormNon-Standard 2-Player: Monte CristoNon-Standard 3-Player: PathfinderStandard 4-Player: Grand LineForeign Map (Most likely standard) Agreed with JungleTerrain!
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Hey guys, yes all tournaments you will need to be physically playing from that region to avoid any latency issues. Times will be announced for Europe soon early next week and we're working on seeing if we can cast some of these events.
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