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So i bought SC;R but i a total noob. back in the original game i only done the solo campaign and never once a multiplayer game not even against friends as they didn't play SC. i played some SC2 on ladder on wing of liberty but i was never that good and ended up stoping the ladder after the first expac came out
so as i barely know left to right i obviously got my ass handed over on my first games on SC:R and i wonder how should i go about starting out from the very begining.
i wondered if i should start to play vs IA but my experience in doing that learning LOL told me i should have started playing against player right from the start. i watched the SC:R launch event but apart from listening to tasteless awesome voice i can't figure out anything from watching pro when i don't even know the hotkeys yet.
i tried creating a game lobby asking specifically for a fellow nooby to play against but the guy that joined clearly wasn't on a nooby level and was quite rude too :/
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Yeah sounds like it might be a good idea to play against the AI until you get the hang of things. Try playing against one computer, then add more once you feel more comfortable.
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Pick a race and stick to it.
Follow some standard build orders that allow you to macro up fast (since macro is arguably the most important mechanical skill in BW that's a good start).
Don't be afraid of losing. You will probably lose hundreds of games at first. Pay attention to what you struggle with and try to improve on that in your future games. Also, pay attention to the fact that you gradually become better and better which each few games you play.
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I'd suggest play 3v3 and 4v4
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You can change your hotkeys in SC:R which should help tremendously with getting familiar more quickly. Other than that, starcraft is a tough game. Has always been, will always be. I can guarantee you that you can play this game for years and still run into people that completely destroy you.
Now, as a complete beginner, you should probably start off with playing against the computer to get into the hang of it. It also helps to watch a couple of replays or VODs or a livestream to get a feeling for when you should build which building/unit. From then on, just play. You're going to lose a ton of games, win a few and slowly build towards closer games/more wins. You'll run into a mix of assholes, but a number of nice people, too.
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Pick a race. Find one build order for every match-up. For example, if you picked Protoss, you could find a build order for PvZ here: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/PVZBuilds You can also watch VODs, streams, or replays to glean what other players do. Teamliquid has a replays section but unfortunately we don't get a rapid influx of new ones. When I first started out, I took random replays off GosuGamers and later packs of replays from TSL. Not sure what the best options are now for replays.
Practice your build orders against a bot until you hit every timing. Then practice your build orders against humans. Lose a lot, and try to take at least one lesson from every loss.
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Try all races, maybe even play Random for some games. More often than not the race that you think is the coolest at first isn't actually the one which suits your playstile.
Search for a GRID hotkey layout and mentally keep yourself from clicking buttons with the mouse. At first you're much slower, but you'll end up faster after practicing this for only a week! (keys.txt goes into Documents\Starcraft\Hotkeys\$device)
In theory you find equally skilled players with matchmaking at some point, even players who are worse than the CPU, so there's no point practising against AI when you can have more accurately skilled opponents on the ladder.
You'll have to bite yourself through many lost games before being ranked accurately but after that it's climbing time and there's nothing as awesome as the fast progress you'll experience as a new player compared to veterans that can only advance in miniscule steps.
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watch someone else play in 1st person perspective or a replay (dunno if replays work in reborn)
this will let you see how they're moving and what you need to be doing physically in order to compete on that level
then really the only thing is to brush over a build order (pylon gate pylon etc) - best thing to do actually is write one down on paper and pin it to your screen
and spam games until your handspeed/multitasking starts to improve
you will win against other newbs at that point
keep looking for a clan/channel/friends at a similar level
playing 3v3/ums/unlimited resource maps is a completely different game to 1v1 competitive and much more casual, so have a go at those too. they are a major fun part of the game too, not 'just for casuals'
turn on the apm counter so you remember how slow you are lol
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for god sake dont use grid hoteky its so bad for ur arms ... use some good hotkeys like sc2 had change some bad hotkeys dont use grid it will rly hurt u on long run
also dont make 3n3 4n4 u will just enver come into 1n1 then
just ignore basicly all most people posted so far here ^^
go search for someont o play with u need better players AND players on ur level so u can train vs better and also play vs same (maybe ranked for same level play) then go choose 1 race (try every race in 1-2 games and decide, u can change later) and look up some basic builds i dont mean complicated stuff just like "2 gates then units then expand after gas" end of story not more just the basic and understand what it means and then just play it play it until u fall down xD
ps: rly u need people to play with
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To add to what s been said. You may end up losing a lot but consider it a part of learning. Dont blame your opponent.
Play a couple games with all 3 races against the computer to pick a race and get the basics (hotkeys). You can always change and pick a different race later. I would say zerg is widely different from p and t macrowise.
Find other players to pmay with, even playing 2vs 2 computers is way more fun than being alone. And you can help each other with tips.
Keep a positive attitude, ask for tips. Some people wpnt reply or be rude, ignore them. Some will help you. Try to join a clan/team, the social aspect of bw is great!
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Are there any intro guides, things that can answer really basic questions like "can you hotkey areas (like in SC2 w/ F keys)?"
Don't get me wrong, watching Flash and others for build orders is good, but I'm losing to things like mass wraith into siege, which I can see as clear as day coming at me, but can't macro fast enough to prevent (I'm still very used to SC2). I could have deflected the attack easily since I already had turrets, but my placement wasn't good so I lost.
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Hey, there's a ton of advice you can get here from myself and others, but since you're just starting out, I'll keep it general.
1. Don't worry about losing, and don't get angry at yourself or others. Just starting out, of course you're going to lose against people who have put in much more time, effort, and practice. But as long as you keep learning and getting better, you'll really enjoy the "leveling up" process of improving yourself, and you'll get some really satisfying moments.
2. Focus on improvement. Watch replays when you lose, and try to identify the big ideas of why you lost. Make notes of your progress. When I started playing, I actually made a blogs here on TL listing my results, my experiences, and questions/difficulties I was experiencing. It was a TON of help. The people here on TL are a great resource. You can check out my blogs here for example (start at the bottom). Honestly my blog was probably the single largest resource for improvement that I had, and it also developed a sense of community. I highly recommend it.
3. Regarding race, as others suggested I recommend you choose a race and stick to it. Personally, I chose Zerg because I really like the scouting information and mobility provided by Overlords and Zerglings. On the other hand, Terran has scans, Siege Tanks, and Spider Mines which all appealed to me. Protoss has.... I dunno, DTs I guess. Protoss was my 3rd choice. But the point is, look at all 3 races, and decide which one has the tools you most identify with and/or want to have at your disposal.
4. Watch better players play, and learn from them. This can be streams, or just observing players in custom 1v1 games. You don't need to watch Flash to learn how to play Terran at a beginner level.
5. Practice with the goal of improving, always. Always keep thinking about ways you can improve your play, whether it be macro, micro, build order, scouting, unit movement, timings, etc. You will never be perfect at Brood War, and you can always improve. That's what makes it so great.
If you have any questions, feel free to PM me and I'll answer as best I can.
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On August 16 2017 00:15 renaissanceMAN wrote: Are there any intro guides, things that can answer really basic questions like "can you hotkey areas (like in SC2 w/ F keys)?"
Don't get me wrong, watching Flash and others for build orders is good, but I'm losing to things like mass wraith into siege, which I can see as clear as day coming at me, but can't macro fast enough to prevent (I'm still very used to SC2). I could have deflected the attack easily since I already had turrets, but my placement wasn't good so I lost.
I believe in liquipedia or the simple question/simple answer thread you d have that. And yes you can use f2 f3 and f4 (binding em with shift) for camera location.
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On August 16 2017 00:42 WGT-Baal wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2017 00:15 renaissanceMAN wrote: Are there any intro guides, things that can answer really basic questions like "can you hotkey areas (like in SC2 w/ F keys)?"
Don't get me wrong, watching Flash and others for build orders is good, but I'm losing to things like mass wraith into siege, which I can see as clear as day coming at me, but can't macro fast enough to prevent (I'm still very used to SC2). I could have deflected the attack easily since I already had turrets, but my placement wasn't good so I lost. I believe in liquipedia or the simple question/simple answer thread you d have that. And yes you can use f2 f3 and f4 (binding em with shift) for camera location.
So you need to hold CTRL-SHIFT and then F2, F3, etc?
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mass BGH games is the way to go. Might want to replay the campaign too
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In my opinion, person on your level should not worry about learning build orders, strategies etc. It is complete waste of time for you. You probably won't be able to understand it and execute it well, which will result in giving up starcraft.
My advice is to play 3v3, 4v4, big game hunters, fastest map possible, even AI, campaign and stuff like that. You need to learn how to control units, spend money, choose race, learn hotkeys, get familiar with all units/buildings/abilities. What is more, you will have some fun right away in those games. On ladder you will only get frustrated right now especially with no clear ranks.
Unfortunately SC is very complex game, but once u start winning games, you will realise that it was worth it to learn.
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thanks guys for all the advices !
i 'll start by choosing my race and learn hotkeys. i'll take the time to redo the campaign to decide wich race i wanna play.
@drake why grids hotkey will hurt me ? i always used it in sc2 and was quite happy with it as it felt more natural to me.
@netto oh i was searching where rank is ... there is not ? that's sad.
@shall_burn i've seen quite a bit of "BGH" lobby, whats is it ?
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First, figure out what race you want to play by just trying all their mechanics and finding what you think is fun. Play vs the computer until you can beat it.
Then learn a build from liquipedia for each matchup, and just try to execute it as well as possible. If you choose Terran then you need a TvT, TvP and a TvZ build. In general, safe standard openings that transition to long games are the best because you learn the most from them.
When learning these three builds just try to get better at making as much stuff as fast as you can (using lots of production buildings). Don't get stuck with just 2-3 barracks/gateways/hatcheries if you survive early game. You need more!
Then maybe watch some pro games to get some inspiration if you think it's fun to do so.
Oh and also, have fun ^_^ Don't treat it as work.
EDIT: Oh, and watch replays from games you play. You can learn a lot from them too.
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BGH stands for Big Game Hunter, its a map where you have a lot of minerals in your base and is normally used for 3v3/4v4.
It is played by a lot of players from all ranges of skill, while 1v1 typically has more hardcore players.
Either way you can learn the game by playing team games, or through 1v1.
I never played any teamgames and just learned it by playing lots of 1v1. It took me a while before I could start winning against low skilled opponents. But the fun of improving was what got me through it.
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