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On August 17 2017 22:59 travis wrote:I don't know if I count, I was only top tier foreigner for maybe a year. But I played as liquid.venice, and now I am playing again. I am horrible. Show nested quote +On August 17 2017 08:14 Alpha-NP- wrote: I'm not talking about B- low skill players but old A/A+ players like Incontrol that came back. A/A- on what?
No you don't count.
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On August 17 2017 20:31 sCuMBaG wrote:Lalush and TLO weren't any good at Broodwar. Wasn't lalush from wc3? and TLO played bw iirc, but was never one of the greats. Same goes for the other comment about "oldschoolers" and it includes grubby. Sure those guys are e-famous, but calling them BW oldschoolers is quite a stretch. I think TLO hit A- in the TSL2 quals btw. "werent any good" though. As for Lalush idk never heard of him at all tbh.
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On August 17 2017 23:05 iFU.pauline wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2017 22:59 travis wrote:I don't know if I count, I was only top tier foreigner for maybe a year. But I played as liquid.venice, and now I am playing again. I am horrible. On August 17 2017 08:14 Alpha-NP- wrote: I'm not talking about B- low skill players but old A/A+ players like Incontrol that came back. A/A- on what? No you don't count.
but incontrol does? *cough*
but naw I shouldn't be like that, I do hear incontrol got quite good after I stopped playing
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On August 17 2017 23:21 arb wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2017 20:31 sCuMBaG wrote:Lalush and TLO weren't any good at Broodwar. Wasn't lalush from wc3? and TLO played bw iirc, but was never one of the greats. Same goes for the other comment about "oldschoolers" and it includes grubby. Sure those guys are e-famous, but calling them BW oldschoolers is quite a stretch. I think TLO hit A- in the TSL2 quals btw. "werent any good" though. As for Lalush idk never heard of him at all tbh.
definitily not, he wasnt even in ger team B and skill wise more b- on iccup
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Lalush was B protoss, can't remember if I watched his streams during BW but pretty sure I did. He was very good, like same tier as Shauni? but he might not have started streaming till SC2.
people have tinted glasses looking back, as if you weren't A-/A then you were bad.
pretty sure during 2008/09/10 I could count on two hands the number of foreigners who were consistently playing and staying at A-. I remember watching Ret's push for A and it was a huge deal
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The biggest issue is that people tend to use TSL seasons as a good measure of who could get A-, when the truth is that the rankings were massively inflated due to the huge influx of foreigners mass gaming. The competitive nature of the TSL ladder seasons also meant that there was an increased incentive to dodge Koreans.
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On August 17 2017 22:29 elKa-ThE-FeArEd wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2017 15:02 prOxi.swAMi wrote: What is your source that Testie is playing? I haven't seen anything... I played vs him a few games on east probably 1-2 months ago He said that he would play for fun but who knows I saw him streaming BW around that time as well.
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Netherlands4511 Posts
Yes, when iccup was played by Koreans only, A- was a more accurate rank for top foreigners, and only the top5 or so guys being legit A players on iccup.
TSL rankings are inflated as hell
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On August 17 2017 23:51 XIII wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2017 23:21 arb wrote:On August 17 2017 20:31 sCuMBaG wrote:Lalush and TLO weren't any good at Broodwar. Wasn't lalush from wc3? and TLO played bw iirc, but was never one of the greats. Same goes for the other comment about "oldschoolers" and it includes grubby. Sure those guys are e-famous, but calling them BW oldschoolers is quite a stretch. I think TLO hit A- in the TSL2 quals btw. "werent any good" though. As for Lalush idk never heard of him at all tbh. definitily not, he wasnt even in ger team B and skill wise more b- on iccup
Well, he reached at least B+ in the TSL2-Qualifier.
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iNcontroL
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On August 17 2017 23:48 travis wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2017 23:05 iFU.pauline wrote:On August 17 2017 22:59 travis wrote:I don't know if I count, I was only top tier foreigner for maybe a year. But I played as liquid.venice, and now I am playing again. I am horrible. On August 17 2017 08:14 Alpha-NP- wrote: I'm not talking about B- low skill players but old A/A+ players like Incontrol that came back. A/A- on what? No you don't count. but incontrol does? *cough* but naw I shouldn't be like that, I do hear incontrol got quite good after I stopped playing
lol ok dude. Ya'll remember Travis right? He was SUPER good... hahahahahaha
So funny how people talk about themselves back then. Had no idea so many foreign players were as good as they say they are now that they hope we all forgot
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On August 18 2017 00:43 iNcontroL wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2017 23:48 travis wrote:On August 17 2017 23:05 iFU.pauline wrote:On August 17 2017 22:59 travis wrote:I don't know if I count, I was only top tier foreigner for maybe a year. But I played as liquid.venice, and now I am playing again. I am horrible. On August 17 2017 08:14 Alpha-NP- wrote: I'm not talking about B- low skill players but old A/A+ players like Incontrol that came back. A/A- on what? No you don't count. but incontrol does? *cough* but naw I shouldn't be like that, I do hear incontrol got quite good after I stopped playing lol ok dude. Ya'll remember Travis right? He was SUPER good... hahahahahaha So funny how people talk about themselves back then. Had no idea so many foreign players were as good as they say they are now that they hope we all forgot
Serious question, do you not know who I was in BW or not remember me? Or are you just offended or think you need to dish it back at me? Because I actually was pretty damn good at this game when I played.
You have so much going for you, particularly in this community. Most people who put as much effort into the game as I did have gotten a lot of recognition for it in some form, and that definitely includes you. I kinda faded into oblivion because I never really accomplished concrete anything and moved to poker instead.
Anyways if you don't remember me I was liquid.venice and we played quite a bit back then. It's kinda bullshit to act like I wasn't good.
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iNcontroL
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On August 18 2017 01:02 travis wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2017 00:43 iNcontroL wrote:On August 17 2017 23:48 travis wrote:On August 17 2017 23:05 iFU.pauline wrote:On August 17 2017 22:59 travis wrote:I don't know if I count, I was only top tier foreigner for maybe a year. But I played as liquid.venice, and now I am playing again. I am horrible. On August 17 2017 08:14 Alpha-NP- wrote: I'm not talking about B- low skill players but old A/A+ players like Incontrol that came back. A/A- on what? No you don't count. but incontrol does? *cough* but naw I shouldn't be like that, I do hear incontrol got quite good after I stopped playing lol ok dude. Ya'll remember Travis right? He was SUPER good... hahahahahaha So funny how people talk about themselves back then. Had no idea so many foreign players were as good as they say they are now that they hope we all forgot Serious question, do you not know who I was in BW or not remember me? Or are you just offended or think you need to dish it back at me? Because I actually was pretty damn good at this game when I played. You have so much going for you, particularly in this community. Most people who put as much effort into the game as I did have gotten a lot of recognition for it in some form, and that definitely includes you. I kinda faded into oblivion because I never really accomplished concrete anything and moved to poker instead. Anyways if you don't remember me I was liquid.venice and we played quite a bit back then. It's kinda bullshit to act like I wasn't good.
you want to talk about kind of bullshit? it's your ass calling me out for not being good? What in the flying fuck? you shit posted back then when I was playing and should know better than to talk out of your ass. I'm sick and tired of people talking shit. I wasn't very good in SC2 so I have dealt with it for 7 fucking years but in BW I was actually good and I won't sit here when a guy who was the token TL member nobody remembers talks shit and is like "nah I heard he got pretty good" WHAT? I won a fucking WCG and qualified / competed in everything that marked you as a top non korean. I also was one of the few to actually get A rank outside of korea during non TSL times.
I expect more from you because you were actually there. So when you talk like a dumb ass it bothers me more than just the random TL people who constantly talk shit as if they were there.
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On August 18 2017 01:06 iNcontroL wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2017 01:02 travis wrote:On August 18 2017 00:43 iNcontroL wrote:On August 17 2017 23:48 travis wrote:On August 17 2017 23:05 iFU.pauline wrote:On August 17 2017 22:59 travis wrote:I don't know if I count, I was only top tier foreigner for maybe a year. But I played as liquid.venice, and now I am playing again. I am horrible. On August 17 2017 08:14 Alpha-NP- wrote: I'm not talking about B- low skill players but old A/A+ players like Incontrol that came back. A/A- on what? No you don't count. but incontrol does? *cough* but naw I shouldn't be like that, I do hear incontrol got quite good after I stopped playing lol ok dude. Ya'll remember Travis right? He was SUPER good... hahahahahaha So funny how people talk about themselves back then. Had no idea so many foreign players were as good as they say they are now that they hope we all forgot Serious question, do you not know who I was in BW or not remember me? Or are you just offended or think you need to dish it back at me? Because I actually was pretty damn good at this game when I played. You have so much going for you, particularly in this community. Most people who put as much effort into the game as I did have gotten a lot of recognition for it in some form, and that definitely includes you. I kinda faded into oblivion because I never really accomplished concrete anything and moved to poker instead. Anyways if you don't remember me I was liquid.venice and we played quite a bit back then. It's kinda bullshit to act like I wasn't good. you want to talk about kind of bullshit? it's your ass calling me out for not being good? What in the flying fuck? you shit posted back then when I was playing and should know better than to talk out of your ass. I'm sick and tired of people talking shit. I wasn't very good in SC2 so I have dealt with it for 7 fucking years but in BW I was actually good and I won't sit here when a guy who was the token TL member nobody remembers talks shit and is like "nah I heard he got pretty good" WHAT? I won a fucking WCG and qualified / competed in everything that marked you as a top non korean. I also was one of the few to actually get A rank outside of korea during non TSL times. I expect more from you because you were actually there. So when you talk like a dumb ass it bothers me more than just the random TL people who constantly talk shit as if they were there.
Hey, I am sorry. You're right, I don't know why I talked any shit.
Did I shit post back then? I don't really feel like I did much.. I've looked back on old posts and I could kinda be a dick but I don't think my shit posting was all that bad.
You won a WCG? See, like, I didn't even know that. (I may have heard it at one point and then forgot about it, though). Like I said, from my perspective, all I know is that you got a lot better after I quit... which is what I said. I wasn't actually there at these times. That isn't the incontrol I knew in bw. The one I knew and played with was "one of the better foreigners" but not much more than that. So when I hear you brought itno the conversation as an old top foreigner, I assumed it is more because you are a known personality.
I am glad you cleared it up. I am not being sarcastic, that's really impressive man. I apologize for how I acted, I don't know why I was shitty.
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iNcontroL
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I appreciate the apology and thank you for being level-headed about it. Obviously a sore spot for me and I shouldn't have gone full flamer.. my bad too.
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No worries!
Anyways watched your stream recently. You looked pretty good. Gonna stick around and keep playing?
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I heard incontrol was like C+ tops, TOPS
he used to look up to LZgamer's apm, dreaming that one day he could play as fast as the lord zerg
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On August 18 2017 01:24 iNcontroL wrote: I appreciate the apology and thank you for being level-headed about it. Obviously a sore spot for me and I shouldn't have gone full flamer.. my bad too.
See man, this is what you get for posting! You get to finally resolve something that's been bothering you for years.
Damn I love conflict resolution! I'm not even involved and I feel warm inside. :D
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You won a WCG or finished first place in USA WCG? Big difference here.
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On August 18 2017 01:47 EndingLife wrote: You won a WCG or finished first place in USA WCG? Big difference here.
Eh, there's a big difference, but if you first a USA WCG you are undoubtedly a top foreigner for that era.
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inControl once tried to beat me Pvt, true story. He succeeded
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