Now started playing and instead of waiting for a long long time, matches were found very quickly and playing vs korean players :O (No lag either!)
Is the ladder really global now? Seems promising!
I'll go back to play and test some more.
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iG.Arcneon
Finland333 Posts
Now started playing and instead of waiting for a long long time, matches were found very quickly and playing vs korean players :O (No lag either!) Is the ladder really global now? Seems promising! I'll go back to play and test some more. | ||
Weavel
Finland9213 Posts
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Glioburd
France1900 Posts
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iG.Arcneon
Finland333 Posts
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lgn!
Italy224 Posts
Blizzard are a bunch of fucking retards. | ||
ZeroChrome
Canada1001 Posts
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SCC-Faust
United States3736 Posts
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lgn!
Italy224 Posts
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Glioburd
France1900 Posts
On August 22 2017 18:45 lgn! wrote: Played like 10 games, i'm gonna stop playing until they will revert this shit. I simply cannot play from central europe to korea. TR8, high lat and it's still lagging too much. Can't even micro or move units. Disgusting. They can't do anything for your internet | ||
onlystar
United States971 Posts
On August 22 2017 18:46 Glioburd wrote: Show nested quote + On August 22 2017 18:45 lgn! wrote: Played like 10 games, i'm gonna stop playing until they will revert this shit. I simply cannot play from central europe to korea. TR8, high lat and it's still lagging too much. Can't even micro or move units. Disgusting. They can't do anything for your internet Read into internet highway bottlenecks EU->KR. Thankyou. | ||
lgn!
Italy224 Posts
On August 22 2017 18:46 Glioburd wrote: Show nested quote + On August 22 2017 18:45 lgn! wrote: Played like 10 games, i'm gonna stop playing until they will revert this shit. I simply cannot play from central europe to korea. TR8, high lat and it's still lagging too much. Can't even micro or move units. Disgusting. They can't do anything for your internet They can't do anything for your IQ, monkey. User was warned for this post | ||
orvinreyes
577 Posts
On August 22 2017 18:19 lgn! wrote: Impossible to play, lag every single game. I'll probably uninstall the game if it stays this way. Blizzard are a bunch of fucking retards. Maybe you can try some of the old school TCP UDP portforwarding tricks on your router. | ||
Glioburd
France1900 Posts
On August 22 2017 18:58 lgn! wrote: Show nested quote + On August 22 2017 18:46 Glioburd wrote: On August 22 2017 18:45 lgn! wrote: Played like 10 games, i'm gonna stop playing until they will revert this shit. I simply cannot play from central europe to korea. TR8, high lat and it's still lagging too much. Can't even micro or move units. Disgusting. They can't do anything for your internet They can't do anything for your IQ, monkey. They can't either, indeed. Their server is currently shit, but the lag in game has nothing to do with it since it's p2p. Every time I've played a korean, there was no lag. | ||
GeckoXp
Germany2013 Posts
On August 22 2017 19:19 Glioburd wrote: Show nested quote + On August 22 2017 18:58 lgn! wrote: On August 22 2017 18:46 Glioburd wrote: On August 22 2017 18:45 lgn! wrote: Played like 10 games, i'm gonna stop playing until they will revert this shit. I simply cannot play from central europe to korea. TR8, high lat and it's still lagging too much. Can't even micro or move units. Disgusting. They can't do anything for your internet They can't do anything for your IQ, monkey. They can't either, indeed. Their server is currently shit, but the lag in game has nothing to do with it since it's p2p. Every time I've played a korean, there was no lag. Yeah, aside from his flames, I can see his point. I remember that playing vs. some countries was not-doable due to ISP conflicts. If you're in fact mostly ranked against a region where you can't dodge lag, it's really bad as both players can't possibly fix it. I think Blizzard should at least be aware of such problems, even if it only affects a small group of players. | ||
sabas123
Netherlands3121 Posts
On August 22 2017 19:36 GeckoXp wrote: Show nested quote + On August 22 2017 19:19 Glioburd wrote: On August 22 2017 18:58 lgn! wrote: On August 22 2017 18:46 Glioburd wrote: On August 22 2017 18:45 lgn! wrote: Played like 10 games, i'm gonna stop playing until they will revert this shit. I simply cannot play from central europe to korea. TR8, high lat and it's still lagging too much. Can't even micro or move units. Disgusting. They can't do anything for your internet They can't do anything for your IQ, monkey. They can't either, indeed. Their server is currently shit, but the lag in game has nothing to do with it since it's p2p. Every time I've played a korean, there was no lag. Yeah, aside from his flames, I can see his point. I remember that playing vs. some countries was not-doable due to ISP conflicts. If you're in fact mostly ranked against a region where you can't dodge lag, it's really bad as both players can't possibly fix it. I think Blizzard should at least be aware of such problems, even if it only affects a small group of players. I think they are aware, however how would you fix this problem? | ||
iG.Arcneon
Finland333 Posts
Getting games is super fast now and can train here, I like it so far. If the lag in some game would be super horrible, you can just leave game and loss few pts, it's not like we're getting to top of list now anyways :D Guess some "/lag" command could be nice for this, f.e. if both players type "/lag" or "/draw" in game, would be called as draw and neither would lose pts for the game. | ||
Morbidius
Brazil3449 Posts
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GodZo
Italy224 Posts
On August 22 2017 18:19 lgn! wrote: I'll probably uninstall the game if it stays this way. Same for me... I don't want to play against koreans or US players, I want to play at the lowest ping possible, that is not much low, we are in Italy too... | ||
Drake
Germany6146 Posts
On August 22 2017 17:42 iG.Arcneon wrote: Up till yesterday only players I've faced on ladder has been from Europe, same as me. No matter which gateway I played nor which region I had chosen. Now started playing and instead of waiting for a long long time, matches were found very quickly and playing vs korean players :O (No lag either!) Is the ladder really global now? Seems promising! I'll go back to play and test some more. its so much worse now if u ask me ,... i understand that they do it for 2000+ but i had 20 seconds max waiting on 1700 for a game with no lag, and now i have some koreans with huge laggy game and only need wait 18 seconds ... jaeh! ... thats shit | ||
Drake
Germany6146 Posts
On August 22 2017 19:51 iG.Arcneon wrote: There is some lag in some games, but I must say it's WAY better than what I hoped for. Always had lag problems with koreans and this is best I've seen so far without using vpn. Getting games is super fast now and can train here, I like it so far. If the lag in some game would be super horrible, you can just leave game and loss few pts, it's not like we're getting to top of list now anyways :D Guess some "/lag" command could be nice for this, f.e. if both players type "/lag" or "/draw" in game, would be called as draw and neither would lose pts for the game. no alot of teh lag is inaceptable and remember it also is on elo ranks which already had games in 5-20 seconds ! so there was no need as far as i understand there was a blizzard guy in tt1 chat and he made a "tempoary" fix and i think he disabled looking for ping .... thats no "solving the issue" thats utter garbage ... until thats fixed i wont play its way to laggy now better title: "did rob (the developer who did it) broke the ladder" -> yes | ||
2Pacalypse-
Croatia9360 Posts
On August 22 2017 19:19 Glioburd wrote: Show nested quote + On August 22 2017 18:58 lgn! wrote: On August 22 2017 18:46 Glioburd wrote: On August 22 2017 18:45 lgn! wrote: Played like 10 games, i'm gonna stop playing until they will revert this shit. I simply cannot play from central europe to korea. TR8, high lat and it's still lagging too much. Can't even micro or move units. Disgusting. They can't do anything for your internet They can't do anything for your IQ, monkey. They can't either, indeed. Their server is currently shit, but the lag in game has nothing to do with it since it's p2p. Every time I've played a korean, there was no lag. This is probably not entirely true anymore. The way their network stack currently works (probably, not confirmed yet), is that it first tries a direct connection if the ports are opened, and if not then it tries UPNP, and if that's turned off as well, then it routes in-game traffic over Blizzard's servers, which is probably done in a dumb way and with very small worldwide coverage of their servers, which could introduce quite a bit of lagg. So opening your ports manually could still have some benefits. | ||
onlystar
United States971 Posts
On August 22 2017 19:19 Glioburd wrote: Show nested quote + On August 22 2017 18:58 lgn! wrote: On August 22 2017 18:46 Glioburd wrote: On August 22 2017 18:45 lgn! wrote: Played like 10 games, i'm gonna stop playing until they will revert this shit. I simply cannot play from central europe to korea. TR8, high lat and it's still lagging too much. Can't even micro or move units. Disgusting. They can't do anything for your internet They can't do anything for your IQ, monkey. They can't either, indeed. Their server is currently shit, but the lag in game has nothing to do with it since it's p2p. Every time I've played a korean, there was no lag. you are using the logic and brain capacity of a 5 year old Depending on how much you lag is where you are located in relation to Korea and what internet highway bottlenecks the connection goes trough. ( also Some korean isp provider allow higher upload speeds for outside connections those players with that kind of isp typically dont lag with eu connections) | ||
TelecoM
United States10583 Posts
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Drake
Germany6146 Posts
On August 22 2017 21:18 GGzerG wrote: People complain too much and are ungrateful as shit, I have experienced little to no lag and everyone who has lagged, has NOT been Korean....It's not Blizzard's fault your Internet sucks, it's not Blizzard's fault you lag vs people outside of your native country, Blizzard is doing an amazing job with this game, be thankful. so we are ungrateful as shit ? no man ur just having no informations thinking all u know is gold ... up until 1 day ago everything was fine 1 day ago the one developer changed the way it works since then even people on 1500 elo who insta got an enemy before now get koreans and it lags it lags just start stream look taketv streams starcraft1... oh wait no it LAGS ... | ||
Ake_Vader
Sweden58 Posts
Edit: ladder/profile views etc still don't work though. | ||
KaRnaGe[cF]
United States355 Posts
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lgn!
Italy224 Posts
On August 22 2017 21:18 GGzerG wrote: People complain too much and are ungrateful as shit, I have experienced little to no lag and everyone who has lagged, has NOT been Korean....It's not Blizzard's fault your Internet sucks, it's not Blizzard's fault you lag vs people outside of your native country, Blizzard is doing an amazing job with this game, be thankful. AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAH | ||
BonythPL
9 Posts
On August 22 2017 21:18 GGzerG wrote: People complain too much and are ungrateful as shit, I have experienced little to no lag and everyone who has lagged, has NOT been Korean....It's not Blizzard's fault your Internet sucks, it's not Blizzard's fault you lag vs people outside of your native country, Blizzard is doing an amazing job with this game, be thankful. It's because u're from US so u have better ping than Europeans | ||
Ziggy
South Korea2103 Posts
Wake me up when this farce ends. | ||
JWD[9]
364 Posts
Damn, the otherdays I had time and wanted to ladder, it was down. Oh well ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | ||
onlystar
United States971 Posts
On August 22 2017 21:18 GGzerG wrote: People complain too much and are ungrateful as shit, I have experienced little to no lag and everyone who has lagged, has NOT been Korean....It's not Blizzard's fault your Internet sucks, it's not Blizzard's fault you lag vs people outside of your native country, Blizzard is doing an amazing job with this game, be thankful. Dude........ did u not read anything this topic? | ||
Espers
United Kingdom606 Posts
I used to VPN to fish with no lag as did as lot of people, so I don't see why Blizzard couldn't implement something similar to route connections in such a way to minimise lag. | ||
Drake
Germany6146 Posts
On August 22 2017 22:01 Espers wrote: sounds like global ladder just isn't feasible... I was enjoying playing vs Koreans too. I used to VPN to fish with no lag as did as lot of people, so I don't see why Blizzard couldn't implement something similar to route connections in such a way to minimise lag. but as long as they dont have they need to revert it back i get its back when people above 2000 need 20 minutes to find a game but having mana and co quitting because every game is a lagfest cant be the answer | ||
iG.Arcneon
Finland333 Posts
Seems to be alot problems now ^^ Tried with VPN to play also, but almost all games it gives error with it. | ||
Drake
Germany6146 Posts
On August 22 2017 23:34 iG.Arcneon wrote: Ok maybe I got too happy too fast :D Seems to be alot problems now ^^ Tried with VPN to play also, but almost all games it gives error with it. how is ur normal lag vs koreans ? does finland has a good connection to kor ? | ||
iG.Arcneon
Finland333 Posts
No, FIN-KOR has always been very laggy. On fish been using vpn for it, but that failed now too. First games I played today didn't lag almost at all, now last 10 games or so have been very laggy. | ||
blade55555
United States17423 Posts
Dunno what the best solution is, but it should probably search for 30 seconds before expanding to Koreans if you are from EU. For NA, I say keep it instant . | ||
Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
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CobaltBlu
United States919 Posts
On August 23 2017 00:22 Doodsmack wrote: I assumed I was only matching players in the US and it's always a fast match. But if people from the US or EU are playing Koreans and not getting lag, the Korean must be getting lag, no? Koreans always played with lag for SC2 international tournaments when playing vs EU or US if the game was played on the EU or US server. That's not really how lag works in Brood War. When there is lag the game pauses for everyone and waits. That is why it gets stuttery. | ||
blade55555
United States17423 Posts
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ROOTFayth
Canada3351 Posts
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skipdog172
United States331 Posts
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SkelA
Macedonia13017 Posts
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cute_drone
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Foxxan
Sweden3427 Posts
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On August 23 2017 00:32 ROOTFayth wrote: I think they should make it a global "foreigner" ladder or specifically EU/NA, the ping is pretty good for NA to EU, and make kind of a local ladder on korea so if you have a good ping like some people from NA -> Korea then you can go on korea server and practice there Yeah I think this might be the best thing to do. Think too many EU players are going to lag vs Koreans. I hope they go this route instead of removing the ability to match vs Koreans on match making. | ||
ReachTheSky
United States3294 Posts
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Espers
United Kingdom606 Posts
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raff100
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kogeT
Poland2000 Posts
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ROOTFayth
Canada3351 Posts
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mauwee
Vatican City State78 Posts
I'm quite sure that soon the MMR won't be inflated for foreigners and we will be playing each other again. :D That would be nice for us mere mortals who don't have 250 EAPM! | ||
playa
United States1284 Posts
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Foxxan
Sweden3427 Posts
On August 23 2017 02:00 raff100 wrote: I read some positive comments on bnet, maybe they have fixed something Such as? | ||
LV_426
Poland432 Posts
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EleanorRIgby
Canada3923 Posts
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rauk
United States2228 Posts
This is fallout from the changes I made last night to try and improve ladder queue times. I've tweaked them again and hopefully the lag issues will be significantly less prominent. https://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/6vbf5z/lag_issues_with_global_matchmaking_mana_and/dlz7i2b/ anyone online to check mm at the moment? stuck at work :p | ||
lgn!
Italy224 Posts
Sorry for the overnight frustrations! I'm tweaking this as we go to work out a more tolerable experience for everyone, and should have a more long term fix in soon. To those of you who are geologically close to people with worse ping than those more distant; that is something we're aware of and are considering fixes for, but will take us a bit longer. Thank you, and again, I apologize for any inconvenience! Rob Cherry Developer | ||
JiYan
United States3668 Posts
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lepape
Canada557 Posts
I played at around 5AM EST this morning always getting matched with Koreans, I dropped from 1600 MMR to 1300, and even at 1300, the Korean players would execute standard build orders flawlessly, they'd probably be D+/C- on Iccup. At 3 PM, nighttime in Korea, at 1300 mmr now I'm stomping players who don't have a clue what they're doing. | ||
Foxxan
Sweden3427 Posts
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GoShox
United States1834 Posts
On August 23 2017 04:02 JiYan wrote: Just played a game vs someone from mexico (im in california) with really smooth connection. take that as you will I don't know if that means much. I played someone from Costa Rica a few days ago and the game was perfectly fine. It's just the Koreans I've had lag issues with (haven't played any Europeans through match making) I doubt they've made any kind of networking changes in the past day, but I'd love to be pleasantly surprised | ||
Smorrie
Netherlands2909 Posts
On August 23 2017 04:03 Foxxan wrote: So archery is someone from blizzard? And ign is someone from blizzard as well? Archery's the same person responsible for tweaking matchmaking on the fly while watching ret's stream. Kudo's to Blizz/Rob being on top of this and taking up direct feedback from the community! Ign must've copied this message from somewhere. Source? @rauk, after looking at Ign's post history -- you're right Also, | ||
rauk
United States2228 Posts
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Bearded Elder29875 Posts
Phew. | ||
CobaltBlu
United States919 Posts
On August 23 2017 04:04 GoShox wrote: Show nested quote + On August 23 2017 04:02 JiYan wrote: Just played a game vs someone from mexico (im in california) with really smooth connection. take that as you will I don't know if that means much. I played someone from Costa Rica a few days ago and the game was perfectly fine. It's just the Koreans I've had lag issues with (haven't played any Europeans through match making) I doubt they've made any kind of networking changes in the past day, but I'd love to be pleasantly surprised It seems like he did make another change today. https://us.battle.net/forums/en/starcraft/topic/20758775973?page=3#post-47 | ||
Dromar
United States2145 Posts
On August 23 2017 04:03 lepape wrote: As long as the lag issue gets resolved, I'm glad they're enabling global matchmaking. The difference between the average Korean Starcraft player and the average foreign player is mindblowing. I played at around 5AM EST this morning always getting matched with Koreans, I dropped from 1600 MMR to 1300, and even at 1300, the Korean players would execute standard build orders flawlessly, they'd probably be D+/C- on Iccup. At 3 PM, nighttime in Korea, at 1300 mmr now I'm stomping players who don't have a clue what they're doing. It was always like this on iCCup too. | ||
Drake
Germany6146 Posts
On August 23 2017 04:37 Dromar wrote: Show nested quote + On August 23 2017 04:03 lepape wrote: As long as the lag issue gets resolved, I'm glad they're enabling global matchmaking. The difference between the average Korean Starcraft player and the average foreign player is mindblowing. I played at around 5AM EST this morning always getting matched with Koreans, I dropped from 1600 MMR to 1300, and even at 1300, the Korean players would execute standard build orders flawlessly, they'd probably be D+/C- on Iccup. At 3 PM, nighttime in Korea, at 1300 mmr now I'm stomping players who don't have a clue what they're doing. It was always like this on iCCup too. i remember as european playing at the evening and later it was always easy and in teh morning when koreans was on it was like day and night from skill xD | ||
styleworks79
United States127 Posts
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Drake
Germany6146 Posts
On August 23 2017 18:08 styleworks79 wrote: Ranked is still pretty broken as hell...errors out every other search.... so far i never had an error out, just that after game error and i heared thats when its the first game of either of the players | ||
Kaolla
China2999 Posts
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CUTtheCBC
Canada91 Posts
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niteReloaded
Croatia5281 Posts
On August 23 2017 22:38 CUTtheCBC wrote: MMR will balance out over time yep but I agree, once they made it global, suddenly i started getting stomped by people with rarely less than 300apm, crushing $hit. | ||
Ake_Vader
Sweden58 Posts
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
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Excalibur_Z
United States12179 Posts
A matchmaking service has to do three things: produce or confirm stable conditions, create fair matches, and get players into games quickly. For #1, you want to ensure that players have similar ping. The Turn Rate for ladder is currently 8, which is around 250ms. So any opponent that has a 250ms ping to you or less is best. But if there are no such players, the matchmaker should loosen this requirement gradually. For #2 it's as your post describes. You want to aim for players of similar skill rating and gradually branch out if you don't find any within a particular timeframe. And #3 is simply search time. You decide how tight the matchmaking should "feel" before you start loosening restrictions. These three variables all work together to form the basic matchmaking environment. Maybe at first I decide that I want a search range of +/-100 rating and a <250ms ping requirement for 60 seconds, and then I start branching out to +/-150 rating and <300ms ping after 120 seconds, and so on. Absolute caps exist on all of these variables, of course. You can also apply special rules to certain buckets of players (for example, if you are rated 2000+, maybe to reduce queue times the matchmaker should search as if you were a 1900). So what Rob Cherry likely did here was tune one of those levers. Maybe that was through loosening the initial ping requirement, or having it expand more rapidly. It's possible there's some geographical tuning in there rather than solely ping. I saw that a lot of complaints came from EU players playing against KR players, which has historically been a ping nightmare between those regions. Anyway, it's a numbers game. You simply tweak the numbers until they fit player expectations. And that's hardest to do at the top end of the ladder because skill spreads so far and you're talking about <0.1% of the population, so they necessitate special cases. And to back up 2pac's post earlier in this thread with a source: 1.18 has three modes for networking: Self open/managed port forwarding UPNP Port forwarding Proxy via Blizzard server 1 and 2 will have the best experience but 3 is for people behind corporate firewalls like you are. So the third networking mode here functions essentially the same way as a VPN: it's routing your traffic through somewhere else and to your opponent if there are no direct paths available. | ||
iG.Arcneon
Finland333 Posts
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raff100
498 Posts
On August 24 2017 06:23 iG.Arcneon wrote: Now ladder feels really good today, foreign players from all gateways it seems and finds games fast and games don't lag, really nice to play now I agree. I'm curious if I will ever be able to play vs koreans with an acceptable lag | ||
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