Can anyone explain to me why this is not the case?
Picking random on the ladder.
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A.Alm
Sweden494 Posts
Can anyone explain to me why this is not the case? | ||
superjoppe
Sweden3680 Posts
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Qikz
United Kingdom12010 Posts
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Lorch
Germany3657 Posts
On September 27 2017 03:21 superjoppe wrote: Wait whaat? He picked random, why should you be able to see what he got? That's literally the reason why anyone would pick random, for the surprise factor. I played random for about a year, and I told my opponent my race every single game. You play random to experience the game in it's entirety, to see all sides. And also because you are too lazy to flip a coin before each game. You completely waste your time as random if your opponent doesn't know your race. He'll either scout super early, messing up his build, or he'll do something that works against all races. Either way, you'll never get any real practice at any matchup. No one will play against you like they would in a normal game. You'll never play a single real game. Instead of seeing Starcraft as whole, you'll get a Chinese mock-up of some pieces. | ||
A.Alm
Sweden494 Posts
On September 27 2017 03:21 superjoppe wrote: Wait whaat? He picked random, why should you be able to see what he got? That's literally the reason why anyone would pick random, for the surprise factor. People should be playing random to experience the whole spectrum of Starcraft, not to get an advantage in-game, imo. | ||
[AS]Rattus
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Highgamer
1346 Posts
On September 27 2017 03:21 superjoppe wrote: Wait whaat? He picked random, why should you be able to see what he got? That's literally the reason why anyone would pick random, for the surprise factor. Not quite right. Some people pick random because they don't want to choose or to surprise themselves, not the opponent. That said, obviously some or most of the random players want to profit from their opponents' ignorance of their race. In return they face the relative disadvantage of having to be able to play all three races well enough. So, games with random race choice could very well include an option for random players to either show or conceal their race during loading phase . | ||
A.Alm
Sweden494 Posts
or blindly open rax, rax, depo in the center of the map edit: even if they say what race they are, i'm not sure they're telling the truth. | ||
EndingLife
United States1558 Posts
To the complainers that have to 1 base PvZ when playing against a random who got Zerg (Example) If playing random gives you a distinct advantage over others, you can always choose random yourself. If this was the case and it did give you a distinct advantage, more people would play random and random would be banned from more tours. I've only seen one or two tours recently that banned random. Those tours are probably either ran by inexperienced players or cater to inexperienced players. You can learn build orders that are viable against any race. Learning to play all three races is a lot harder than having to play against all three races. | ||
merz
Sweden2760 Posts
The initial advantage that a random player has is nullified in the mid game. In the current meta rax, supply, supply, CC is viable against all three races (even though not as high econ as 15 CC pre gas). Whenever I play against random I scout with my 10th scv (while building a depot) and I haven't found them when my rax finishes I'll just send the scv who finished building the barracks as a second scout. Sure this will give you a small early game disadvantage but again, you should be stronger by default in the mid to late game because your opponent simply does not have the same amount of games with each race as you have with terran. | ||
A.Alm
Sweden494 Posts
On September 27 2017 04:30 merz wrote: Wait. Have you considered the disadvantage of having to learn and master 9 matchups (TvT, TvZ TvP, PvT PvZ PvP, ZvT ZvP ZvZ) when you say playing as random gives the random player an unfair advantage? The initial advantage that a random player has is nullified in the mid game. In the current meta rax, supply, supply, CC is viable against all three races (even though not as high econ as 15 CC pre gas). Whenever I play against random I scout with my 10th scv (while building a depot) and I haven't found them when my rax finishes I'll just send the scv who finished building the barracks as a second scout. Sure this will give you a small early game disadvantage but again, you should be stronger by default in the mid to late game because your opponent simply does not have the same amount of games with each race as you have with terran. yeah i have considered the time it takes to learn bbs, 2 gate and 4 pool and it's not that hard. | ||
Murchaldo
18 Posts
On September 27 2017 04:57 A.Alm wrote: yeah i have considered the time it takes to learn bbs, 2 gate and 4 pool and it's not that hard. The way I've always looked at random is that versus a random player, I will be much more comfortable and stronger in the mid-late game. Start with a very defensive, catch-all opening, and if your opponent goes super greedy, your superior skill will match his superior economy. | ||
merz
Sweden2760 Posts
On September 27 2017 04:57 A.Alm wrote: yeah i have considered the time it takes to learn bbs, 2 gate and 4 pool and it's not that hard. You are looking at this from the wrong angle. If you cant defend BBS, 4 pool or 2 gate because the guy went random, chances are you are not very good at defending it even if you know their starting race. Rax - supply - supply has every chance in the world to stop all of those builds especially if you send out a second scv. Random is the fourth race, theres no point to random if you take away their only advantage in the game. | ||
sicklucker
Canada16986 Posts
On September 27 2017 04:57 A.Alm wrote: yeah i have considered the time it takes to learn bbs, 2 gate and 4 pool and it's not that hard. ya because its so hard to stop cheeses if your know there coming. | ||
onlystar
United States971 Posts
x vs x is never the same as x vs (y) its impossible in the real world to see this as fairplay but im sure we want to so let's discuss further.. cause im probably just saying elitist blabla and improbably also from sc2 and so on (oh yea and i probably cant play all 3 races right right okok) | ||
EndingLife
United States1558 Posts
On September 27 2017 05:10 onlystar wrote: debating the subject(if this is justified in a competitive setting) is just stupidity till infinity really x vs x is never the same as x vs (y) its impossible in the real world to see this as fairplay but im sure we want to so let's discuss further.. cause im probably just saying elitist blabla and improbably also from sc2 and so on (oh yea and i probably cant play all 3 races right right okok) Ummm... What? | ||
Eywa-
Canada4876 Posts
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Alpha-NP-
United States1242 Posts
On September 27 2017 05:30 Eywa- wrote: I like to random and tell the opp I'm Z every game so that they forge FE, I counter with proxy gates or BBS That's pretty funny. I guess if they were Zerg you could tell them you were Protoss or Terran lol. | ||
JungleTerrain
Chile799 Posts
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Keniji
Netherlands2569 Posts
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