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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCfbQ_Al8sU&feature=youtu.be&t=2h31m30s | ||
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No homo. (A small degree of homo.) | ||
Miragee
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On September 30 2017 20:56 SCC-Faust wrote: I timestamped it btw cause there is like 5-6 soulkey vs flash games on that vod, so here is the hydra/queen one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCfbQ_Al8sU&feature=youtu.be&t=2h31m30s Holy crap, that game was amazing! | ||
sLimze
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Navane
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On September 30 2017 16:01 danbel1005 wrote: This game is a great example of Soulkey's talent, the kid is amazing. Don't know if #1 tho. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsFWdG9rSko Who was the caster next to Artosis? He was hilarious: "And as you said, here are the muta's to clean up the Vultures. Oh, that's not what you said, you said the vultures will destroy this base." [as soulkey is turning the game around] "I'm getting chills! I'm getting so many chills, if I had a bunch of team liquid strategy forums, I could moderate them all!" | ||
danbel1005
United States1319 Posts
On October 05 2017 18:30 Navane wrote: Who was the caster next to Artosis? He was hilarious: Reid "RAPID" Melton Twitter: @RAPiDCasting | ||
orvinreyes
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On October 05 2017 12:20 sLimze wrote: Wow. I felt like his APM was super high when he was playing and i took a look and it was only 290. Very nice no other ex-pro i've seen plays like this. Almost every action is deliberate. Yeah, you can easily tell when you don't get dizzy watching a player's first person view. I think him and Flash have the cleanest APMs. Watching Bisu and Jaedong are dizzying as hell | ||
Sk0
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EsportsJohn
United States4883 Posts
On October 05 2017 20:59 orvinreyes wrote: Yeah, you can easily tell when you don't get dizzy watching a player's first person view. I think him and Flash have the cleanest APMs. Watching Bisu and Jaedong are dizzying as hell You should watch effOrt. No joke, he probably has close to 50% redundancy. I legit once watched him burrow and unburrow lurkers for a solid 30s. | ||
Zealgoon
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JungleTerrain
Chile799 Posts
On October 05 2017 22:52 Zealgoon wrote: Never thought I'd live to see this day but Soulkey has dethroned Flash to become No.1 on sponbbang elo ranking. Wtf really? I haven't been watching much BW last few days or keeping up (been busy). | ||
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mauwee
Vatican City State78 Posts
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Alpha-NP-
United States1242 Posts
On October 05 2017 22:52 Zealgoon wrote: Never thought I'd live to see this day but Soulkey has dethroned Flash to become No.1 on sponbbang elo ranking. What does that mean? | ||
EsportsJohn
United States4883 Posts
Soulkey has a higher rating in sponsored stream matches. | ||
TaardadAiel
Bulgaria750 Posts
On October 05 2017 22:52 EsportsJohn wrote: You should watch effOrt. No joke, he probably has close to 50% redundancy. I legit once watched him burrow and unburrow lurkers for a solid 30s. effOrt is almost painful. I watched his stream the other day, casual ladder games. Stopped halfway through. | ||
StutteR
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On September 30 2017 01:40 traxamillion wrote: His queen control is certainly better than anyone else I've seen Jaedong's is pretty good too | ||
DinoToss
Poland507 Posts
On October 05 2017 20:59 orvinreyes wrote: Yeah, you can easily tell when you don't get dizzy watching a player's first person view. I think him and Flash have the cleanest APMs. Watching Bisu and Jaedong are dizzying as hell Stork is slower but clean type as well. | ||
sLimze
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Miragee
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On October 06 2017 03:27 TaardadAiel wrote: effOrt is almost painful. I watched his stream the other day, casual ladder games. Stopped halfway through. Bisu is smooth as fuck. Back in the day he was the most impressive pro to watch in first person because every move had a sense of beauty in it, lol. | ||
REDBLUEGREEN
Germany1903 Posts
Flash's EAPM is more in the range of 240 for comparison. | ||
Season
United States301 Posts
On October 06 2017 05:17 Miragee wrote: Bisu is smooth as fuck. Back in the day he was the most impressive pro to watch in first person because every move had a sense of beauty in it, lol. Last night (midnight-1am US time) Bisu was streaming and either watching someone else or watching a VOD of a Protoss player in a PvZ on Fighting Spirit. Whoever that was had insane mechanics. I frequently watch Bisu's stream but this to me was far beyond even the capabilities of Bisu himself. Curious if anyone knows who this was :o | ||
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Xxio
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On October 06 2017 07:04 Season wrote: Last night (midnight-1am US time) Bisu was streaming and either watching someone else or watching a VOD of a Protoss player in a PvZ on Fighting Spirit. Whoever that was had insane mechanics. I frequently watch Bisu's stream but this to me was far beyond even the capabilities of Bisu himself. Curious if anyone knows who this was :o How would that even be physically possible? | ||
THE Sliggy
Australia65 Posts
On October 06 2017 07:04 Season wrote: Last night (midnight-1am US time) Bisu was streaming and either watching someone else or watching a VOD of a Protoss player in a PvZ on Fighting Spirit. Whoever that was had insane mechanics. I frequently watch Bisu's stream but this to me was far beyond even the capabilities of Bisu himself. Curious if anyone knows who this was :o Draco obviously But seriously. For a foreigner, that guy's APM is impressive :O | ||
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Djabanete
United States2783 Posts
On October 06 2017 07:04 Season wrote: Last night (midnight-1am US time) Bisu was streaming and either watching someone else or watching a VOD of a Protoss player in a PvZ on Fighting Spirit. Whoever that was had insane mechanics. I frequently watch Bisu's stream but this to me was far beyond even the capabilities of Bisu himself. Curious if anyone knows who this was :o Recently I was watching Bisu's stream and thinking, "wow, his PvZ is looking nice today," and it turned out he was watching Rain's FPV. Rain was showing an amazing harassment style with constant shuttle play. Maybe you were seeing Rain also. (Edit: Dunno about "far beyond" Bisu's capabilities, but it was pretty excellent.) | ||
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sM.Zik
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RealityIsKing
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On October 09 2017 04:36 sM.Zik wrote: Watched some insane ZvP between soulkey and snow on his stream yesterday. they both played on a great level! feeling confident for Soulkey's chance in his group tomorrow. I think Stork will surprise us. | ||
_Animus_
Bulgaria1064 Posts
It is time for him to do it, i want so much to see him get far, but i have no idea if he practice that much anymore.Soulkey and Stork hwaiting! | ||
traxamillion
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REDBLUEGREEN
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On October 09 2017 07:32 traxamillion wrote: 240 EAPM seems high for anyone. You sure it is that high Lategame (not 240 in a shorter game where the early skews it)? Didn't think anyone really got over 220 I looked at a random VOD on Flash's youtube from 1.16 times where EAPM was displayed after every game and by pure chance the first game I skipped to was against Soulkey lol: 47 min 43 sec in case time stamp doesn't work. Flash 236 EAPM, Soulkey 192EAPM in a 32 minute game. | ||
RealityIsKing
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On October 09 2017 06:08 _Animus_ wrote: It is time for him to do it, i want so much to see him get far, but i have no idea if he practice that much anymore.Soulkey and Stork hwaiting! But what about the Dong? Are you okay with him being eliminated? | ||
sM.Zik
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The crown for the Tyrant, one last time before his farewell. | ||
Jealous
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On October 09 2017 15:02 sM.Zik wrote: ^Nobody wants the Dong to be eliminated on his (most likely) last tournament ever? right? The crown for the Tyrant, one last time before his farewell. Is he going to the army or something? LIke BIsu is? | ||
sM.Zik
Canada2541 Posts
On October 09 2017 15:09 Jealous wrote: Is he going to the army or something? LIke BIsu is? http://www.espn.com/esports/story/_/id/20848130/starcraft-beginning-end-legend-jaedong Assuming this ASL most likely will be his last tournament because of this article. To be honest, if it's wrists problem is giving him this much pain, I am glad he is considering retiring after this beautiful career. | ||
abuse
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On October 09 2017 15:57 sM.Zik wrote: http://www.espn.com/esports/story/_/id/20848130/starcraft-beginning-end-legend-jaedong Assuming this ASL most likely will be his last tournament because of this article. To be honest, if it's wrists problem is giving him this much pain, I am glad he is considering retiring after this beautiful career. I wouldn't put much trust in an espn article about jaedong. + Show Spoiler [Is this a drama show?] + "I've been playing for 15 years now. My body is wearing out." His eyes are bloodshot, his face pained. His tone is subdued, his voice a half-whisper. It feels nothing like a victorious postmatch interview. He almost looks ready to cry. | ||
EsportsJohn
United States4883 Posts
On October 09 2017 16:01 abuse wrote: I wouldn't put much trust in an espn article about jaedong. + Show Spoiler [Is this a drama show?] + "I've been playing for 15 years now. My body is wearing out." His eyes are bloodshot, his face pained. His tone is subdued, his voice a half-whisper. It feels nothing like a victorious postmatch interview. He almost looks ready to cry. It's a little dramatic, but if RallyJaffa hints that it will likely be Jaedong's last tournament, Jaedong probably straight up told him that. | ||
WGT-Baal
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Shock710
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On October 09 2017 23:10 bITt.mAN wrote: Could anyone link me to the newest maps they're using, they look pretty cool! http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/brood-war/527408-asl4-official-maps-download You mean these ones? | ||
outscar
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blade55555
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Hope Soulkey can keep laying like a beast. He's got potentially ZvZ until the finals depending how Larva vs Rain goes. | ||
neptunusfisk
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On October 11 2017 06:59 blade55555 wrote: Yeah Soulkey looked so good in that game. Which is good because last ASL his ZvP looked really really bad. I feel he got lucky the other Protoss players he was playing also played really really bad by letting lings into their bases every game. Hope Soulkey can keep laying like a beast. He's got potentially ZvZ until the finals depending how Larva vs Rain goes. Before last ASL he practiced a lot of ZvP on stream and never seemed comfortable in the late game. Then when playing in the tournament he seemed to want to end all the ZvP games early... it was quite fun but not very successful. His play this season is already turning out much more impressive! | ||
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On October 12 2017 22:07 sickkungen wrote: Soulkey looks amazing. He had the upper hand on Flash last night and now won 3 straight games in KCM matches Yup, Soulkey continues to rise. At the moment he is the one closest to Flash. A Soulkey vs Flash ASL finals would be great. | ||
traxamillion
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Really a shame SK has to play 2 straight ZvZs in ASL. I don't think anyone stops in him non mirror except flash | ||
TT1
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SagaZ
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any youtube/stream link where I can watch Soulkey play in fpvod? | ||
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niteReloaded
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On November 19 2017 07:46 neptunusfisk wrote: His matches in WEGL were incredible ( http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=26830888 ) beauutiiifull :D | ||
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On November 19 2017 07:46 neptunusfisk wrote: His matches in WEGL were incredible ( http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=26830888 ) Just watched it, Soulkey was leonardo davinci, amazing play! Zergs are mad, and they are returning! | ||
Golgotha
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Essbee
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On November 19 2017 16:03 Golgotha wrote: I think next ASL will be flash vs SK. and SK will finally topple the king. he needs not to face hero in zvz... sigh | ||
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Miragee
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On November 20 2017 08:36 duke91 wrote: Can anyone update the ELO rank? Soulkey should get that juicy elo from that tournament. Are you talking about TLPD? Unfortunately TLPD isn't being updated anymore. | ||
sM.Zik
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On November 20 2017 09:54 Miragee wrote: Are you talking about TLPD? Unfortunately TLPD isn't being updated anymore. Yes it is, just very slowly. | ||
BigFan
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On November 20 2017 09:54 Miragee wrote: Are you talking about TLPD? Unfortunately TLPD isn't being updated anymore. you're wrong, TLPD is still being updated. It's currently at the first series of the Ro8 of the latest ASL. | ||
Miragee
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On November 20 2017 14:28 BigFan wrote: you're wrong, TLPD is still being updated. It's currently at the first series of the Ro8 of the latest ASL. Oh gosh really? I'm so sorry guys. My latest info was that it is too much work to maintain and continuously add stuff. Whoever is updating it now is awesome, I love you. TLPD is one of the best things ever to come out of TL. | ||
BigFan
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On November 20 2017 15:25 Miragee wrote: Oh gosh really? I'm so sorry guys. My latest info was that it is too much work to maintain and continuously add stuff. Whoever is updating it now is awesome, I love you. TLPD is one of the best things ever to come out of TL. That's ok, you didn't know ^^ We added 2 cool folks that have done a great job so far despite real life obligations. I also really value TLPD and would rather not see such an amazing part of the site die due to lack of manpower. In other words, props to our TLPD staff! | ||
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Miragee
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On November 20 2017 15:27 BigFan wrote: That's ok, you didn't know ^^ We added 2 cool folks that have done a great job so far despite real life obligations. I also really value TLPD and would rather not see such an amazing part of the site die due to lack of manpower. In other words, props to our TLPD staff! Sounds great and I'm really glad to hear that. =) On November 21 2017 01:12 r33k wrote: SK looked absolutely fantastic in WEGL, I'd really appreciate a writeup from one of the Korean power users here, to find out what's been stopping him from pulling results in ASLs because as long as EffOrt doesn't overcome his stage jitters he's out of the question when it comes to stopping Flash. Eh? SK lost a ZvZ in ASL, that's all. | ||
Letmelose
Korea (South)3227 Posts
On November 21 2017 01:12 r33k wrote: SK looked absolutely fantastic in WEGL, I'd really appreciate a writeup from one of the Korean power users here, to find out what's been stopping him from pulling results in ASLs because as long as EffOrt doesn't overcome his stage jitters he's out of the question when it comes to stopping Flash. Simply put, Soulkey has been playing mostly zerg-versus-terran match-ups (sSak, Last, and Flash in succession) on his way to victory for this most recent tournament. Soulkey has always been known for his high calibre zerg-versus-terran capabilities, but his other match-ups were not necessarily up to par, even during his professional years. It's not that Soulkey is a one trick pony, but his elegance in the most popular match-up tends to mislead people about his overall strength as a competitor. For example, his record versus Bisu during the last six months in online sponsored matches has lower win rates than the likes of EffOrt, Jaedong, Larva, and herO. Soulkey also has negative records in online sponsored matches versus a whole bunch of zerg players such as Jaedong, Larva, and herO. The player who is most capable of taking Flash down is not necessarily the player who is most likely to meet him in the finals, and that applies not only to Soulkey, but a whole plethora of players who had fair to middling performances versus Flash in recent months. | ||
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_Animus_
Bulgaria1064 Posts
I had no doubts that he is capable of such perfect play and finally its the Soulkey i wanted to see. The main difference i see between WEGL and ASL was his psychical state. In the series he lost against Hero he seemed to be very nervious and under pressure he did some unadequate attacks that just lost him 2 games for sure. However in WEGL he was like reborn, calm and steady all the way. When i watch him i get the impression as if its Flash in zerg shoes, unshakable with the strongest long game macro style. | ||
Letmelose
Korea (South)3227 Posts
On November 21 2017 07:56 _Animus_ wrote: Im really happy for him wining the WEGL, without losing a game if im not wrong? I had no doubts that he is capable of such perfect play and finally its the Soulkey i wanted to see. The main difference i see between WEGL and ASL was his psychical state. In the series he lost against Hero he seemed to be very nervious and under pressure he did some unadequate attacks that just lost him 2 games for sure. However in WEGL he was like reborn, calm and steady all the way. When i watch him i get the impression as if its Flash in zerg shoes, unshakable with the strongest long game macro style. Both are extremely streamlined in their execution, and have some of the cleanest screeen-switching out of any players (which sadly doesn't get represented in eAPM), which explains the incredible multi-tasking Soulkey is in posession of despite not having eye-popping eAPM figures in general. Comparatively, herO tends to be fast (in raw actions per minute sense), and macroes units from hatcheries ceaselessly better than almost any player I've seen, but is lacking somewhat in terms of rapid screeen-switching. Perhaps it is a trait seen in players with players known for their efficient multi-tasking, Rain being another example. It seems to come from speed of thought, rather than being a raw dexterity issue. sAviOr during his prime was another one who was noted for his efficient screen management, which allowed him to multi-task quite proficiently as long as his speed of thought surpassed his opponents. Especially in match-ups he is great at, Soulkey puts incredible emphasis on having the right units in the right place, which allows him to skimp on units comparatively speaking, and his excellent screen management allows him to navigate through the match with incredible efficiency that is somewhat reminiscent of Flash. Soulkey's games in general can be noted for their excellent overlord coverage throughout the map, and almost never having moments a defiler was missing in action in a key positions. | ||
Nukid
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Disregard
China10252 Posts
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Miragee
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On November 21 2017 12:41 NoS-Craig wrote: Come on man, undeserving is a bit harsh. He won the games needed to reach the finals and managed to win at least one game against Flash. His name is his motto I suppose. | ||
BigFan
TLADT24917 Posts
On November 21 2017 11:52 Disregard wrote: If only Soulkey didn't get gimped by ZvZ against a undeserving Hero. Larva and Soulkey sigh... nope, Soulkey lost to a superior opponent, that's all there is to it. Hero deserved to be in the finals and did far better than many anticipated and gave him credit for. Soulkey would've gotten rocked in the finals if he faced Flash as well. His wins last ASL were from a 4 pool on Camelot and beating Flash's SK Terran on Andromeda, not from straight up macro games where Flash went for the notorious mech switch. | ||
Essbee
Canada2371 Posts
On November 21 2017 13:06 BigFan wrote: nope, Soulkey lost to a superior opponent, that's all there is to it. Hero deserved to be in the finals and did far better than many anticipated and gave him credit for. Soulkey would've gotten rocked in the finals if he faced Flash as well. His wins last ASL were from a 4 pool on Camelot and beating Flash's SK Terran on Andromeda, not from straight up macro games where Flash went for the notorious mech switch. People need to stop fixating on the ASL results for everything. But if you want to keep going with tournaments, soulkey just beat flash 2-0 in the wegl and also beat flash in a straight up macro game in the ace match of the finals in the team league thing they had a little while ago. Soulkey definitely would have fared much better than hero, no doubt about it. Though, you can say hero is superior in zvz, that's fine because it's probably true. | ||
Miragee
8283 Posts
On November 21 2017 13:11 Essbee wrote: People need to stop fixating on the ASL results for everything. But if you want to keep going with tournaments, soulkey just beat flash 2-0 in the wegl and also beat flash in a straight up macro game in the ace match of the finals in the team league thing they had a little while ago. Soulkey definitely would have fared much better than hero, no doubt about it. Though, you can say hero is superior in zvz, that's fine because it's probably true. I don't think Hero is superior in ZvZ though. They are at a similar level. ZvZ is just very volatile. It was a close series between the two and Hero got a BO win in the last game irrc. The rest is true though. Soulkey would have fared much better than hero in the finals. And let it be just because SK's best MU is ZvT while it's hero's worst MU. I still think Flash would have been the favourite but with SK there would have been an upset potential and the games at least would have been more entertaining. Note: That doesn't mean Hero didn't deserve to be in the finals. He did. | ||
BigFan
TLADT24917 Posts
On November 21 2017 13:11 Essbee wrote: People need to stop fixating on the ASL results for everything. But if you want to keep going with tournaments, soulkey just beat flash 2-0 in the wegl and also beat flash in a straight up macro game in the ace match of the finals in the team league thing they had a little while ago. Soulkey definitely would have fared much better than hero, no doubt about it. Though, you can say hero is superior in zvz, that's fine because it's probably true. ASL results are much more important in my eyes than WEGL and I'm sure there are some out there that agree. ASL is a far more prestigious tournament imo. You probably mean the Afreeca Team Battle and yes, Soulkey won on Circuit Breaker only to lose in ASL3. The point is that hero deserved his spot in the finals and Soulkey's 2-3 loss to Flash last ASL isn't as impressive as it sounds when you consider the games that went down. Of course, I do think Soulkey's ZvT is better than hero but based on how ASL4 finals went, I don't think Soulkey would've went that much further than hero. | ||
Essbee
Canada2371 Posts
On November 21 2017 13:35 BigFan wrote: ASL results are much more important in my eyes than WEGL and I'm sure there are some out there that agree. ASL is a far more prestigious tournament imo. You probably mean the Afreeca Team Battle and yes, Soulkey won on Circuit Breaker only to lose in ASL3. The point is that hero deserved his spot in the finals and Soulkey's 2-3 loss to Flash last ASL isn't as impressive as it sounds when you consider the games that went down. Of course, I do think Soulkey's ZvT is better than hero but based on how ASL4 finals went, I don't think Soulkey would've went that much further than hero. A tournament being more prestigious has no impact on the overall results. But I do in fact agree with you that Soulkey's 2-3 loss wasn't very impressive. But I think Soulkey is much better now in zvt that he was just a few months ago. I watch all of their streams very regularly and there is no doubt in my mind that soulkey, larva and effort would have had a chance vs flash. And between the 3, I would 100% put my money on effort. | ||
Letmelose
Korea (South)3227 Posts
On November 21 2017 11:52 Disregard wrote: If only Soulkey didn't get gimped by ZvZ against a undeserving Hero. Larva and Soulkey sigh... herO spent over three hours every day on his own perfecting his mutalisk micro-management as well as perfecting his worker split. Whenever he could find them, herO would ask fellow zerg players for advice and practice. He played over two hundred sponsored matches of zerg-versus-zerg over the last six months, which is more so than any other gamer out there, and more than twice the number of sponsored zerg-versus-zerg matches that Soulkey played within the same period of time. I don't know what more herO could have done to have deserved his victory more. If it is just endless series of zerg-versus-terran matches you wish for, go online, sponsor Flash to play a best-of-five series versus any zerg of your choosing. It would be more productive than slating a player for your petty stance on the matter. What is even the point of having a competition if people actually deny the results based on their own flawed views on the matter? Shouldn't you just rally people to have a hack talent show in place of ASL if this is your philosophy? "And for our next act, here is Soulkey with his marvelous terran-versus-zerg abilities seeded directly against Flash, without the need to go through all that pesky competitive integrity non-sense, because who wants to see a proper tournament when you can have people vote for who gets to play Flash in the finals." | ||
Disregard
China10252 Posts
And for entertainment sake, someone needs to stop Flash because as said before these past 2 ASL finals were very underwhelming. | ||
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