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important: this will not replace anything. i do not compete with other servers.
if you prefer iCCup, please vote No. this will not compete with iCCup. iCCup is admired and respected.
please cast your vote if you would play a 1.16.1 server
this server would be run by me and SEBUNS. it would be a Fish alternative with English support
* ladder would be included for 1v1, 2v2, and 3v3 * clan channels and system would be there
* moderator would be decided by the community. * moderator actions will be transparent. who did something and why
============================= this will not be a SC:R alternative =============================
Poll: Would you play a new 1.16.1 Server?Yes (47) 32% No (100) 68% 147 total votes Your vote: Would you play a new 1.16.1 Server? (Vote): Yes (Vote): No
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stop posting just to purely stir shit up
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On February 10 2018 16:32 jinjin5000 wrote: stop posting just to purely stir shit up this is not to fight or compete with a product. this will be for EUD, team ladder, clan fun. this will not be a competitive server. it will not be to fight remaster. remaster is okay. this will use PvPGN. PvPGN is open source and you can compile yourself. we will not use Fish bnetd to conform to Korean privacy protection laws with Fish Server's closure.
a poll is to help us decide, because we do not know the player base or where to put the datacenter. maybe the United Kingdom for easy access in EU and US.
i think Koreans will not play because Remaster is positive in Korea.
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On February 10 2018 16:37 fish_radio wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2018 16:32 jinjin5000 wrote: stop posting just to purely stir shit up this is not to fight or compete with a product. this will be for EUD, team ladder, clan fun. this will not be a competitive server. it will not be to fight remaster. remaster is okay. this will use PvPGN. PvPGN is open source and you can compile yourself. we will not use Fish bnetd to conform to Korean privacy protection laws with Fish Server's closure. a poll is to help us decide, because we do not know the player base or where to put the datacenter. maybe the United Kingdom for easy access in EU and US. i think Koreans will not play because Remaster is positive in Korea.
then why post it in english instead of giving filmsy excuse. Post it up in inven or ygosu. You are just posting this to stir shit up like all the times you posted before. its blatantly obvious since foreign scene represents fraction of total playerbase yet you stick around to post something that you admit yourself isn't relevant to foreign scene. Only reason you do it is to create needless tension/drama.
oh right. You can't even post it in korean forums without getting shit on. Lol.
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are you okay? i messaged you but you did not reply. i didn't post on YGOSU because koreans will not play it. if you were korean you would understand this.
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ALLEYCAT BLUES48983 Posts
Are you gauging interest in the server or does the server already exist?
Better off actually creating the server and advertising it rather than just asking ones interest and creating another thread which will devolve into a place where people will rehash their remastered woes, which I normally don't mind, just that there are other active threads at the moment that's doing it.
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On February 10 2018 17:00 BLinD-RawR wrote: Are you gauging interest in the server or does the server already exist?
Better off actually creating the server and advertising it rather than just asking ones interest and creating another thread which will devolve into a place where people will rehash their remastered woes, which I normally don't mind, just that there are other active threads at the moment that's doing it. maybe you are correct, i am sorry. i will purchase a datacenter soon.
jinjin has no manners. he does not understand nobody plays CYaRon Server.
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12 yes 24 no.
can i have some insight please?
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I voted no, since quite frankly I don't see the point in an additional server. I also think that unity is imperative in order to build the community further. If we keep having various servers that we spread around to, then we'll have several servers with low player bases.
That way, I fear more people will feel the community has less players in total than it actually have, which may spread fear/panic and make people leave the game entirely, thinking it to be a dead game. I also think that spreading the players over various servers will increase the likelihood of facing players with much higher or lower MMR, and/or with a lot of lag for those playing SC:R.
I'm very happy with SC:R, however I do recognize that there are a lot of problems with it as well. I think the community overall is better served if we stay more focused and work hard to make improvements. To play the game, give feedback to the developement team and stay patient as they fix the problems. I won't blame anyone for playing some ladder etc. on iCCup, of course, but I think it's wise to stick with SC:R for a good while longer and try to make it work.
I know you've stated that this server isn't supposed to compete with neither iCCup nor SC:R, but I honestly think that's a naive thought. It will by nature be competition. And it will by nature contribute to division in the community.
Division and apathy is the death of all causes. You're not apathetic, which I think is a good thing. But I think it's better that we cast our support towards the likes of SCC-Faust, ZZZero, Qikz, Gecko, Cele and all others who're working hard to create tournaments, clan leagues and the likes for the community. I think that is what the community needs more. Not another server. I think it's great that you're wish to work hard and create something, I just don't think it's the right way to go.
Therefore, I voted no.
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i don't think it's worth it mate. i like your initiative but why would people choose this server over remastered or even iccup? iccup has been around since forever and it's struggling hardcore now. how can this new server survive?
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We need to consilidate, not split! I would be rooting for combining Europe / US West / Us East so we can get more custom games available all the time. With new latency bars it should be easy to pick the game that would have less lag (and host can easily choose players with best latency)
On top of that we need 2v2 ranking of course.
Splitting into yet another server is a terrible idea.
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i would play a new fish server and shit talk every other server until it was #1 again. while iccup is good, we need a consolidated anti hack like fish had. on iccup atm, i need to log in back and forth between the iccup launcher and w launcher depending on the opponent, which is dumb. remastered is unplayable due to lag/other server related issues. i just want the old servers back
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It'll only be koreans.And i can't see the ums people going back now theyve fixed ccmu and sprite bug in the most recent patch.But clearly this is about your ego and this is your attempt to stay relevant.You know the Korea market better than anyone here and the handful of foreigners here who would play on it will neither make or break the server.
But you claim it is for foreigners.When iCCup is still up and with a very low base.Total nonsense.
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If someone brings back a 1.16.1 server, let it be shieldbattery. I think we should stick to the Blizz servers and trust the dev team and the upcoming updates for 2018 though. They just added more EUD support last patch and I believe they plan to continue doing so.
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Useless bait post once again from the biggest whiner in the BW community. I agree with Faust- bringing back SB would be a much better option.
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I would love a 1.16 server, it doesn't mean i don't appreciate remastered, I'd enjoy both. To me more servers = more fun, there is no harm in it.. It's not gonna split shit.
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I might, but i would never play on one run by fish admins--- go fuck yourself fish admins! respectfully of course.
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if remastered is good enough for the koreans, its good enough for me
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If anyone wants to make a new 1.16.1 server, continuing ShieldBattery seems a thousand times better than this. Two cents. The underlying technology on the parts that were functional was way ahead of the previous community-run servers.
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ShieldBattery is the only other server platform I'd ever consider at this point.
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Why doesnt TL ban fish_radio?
just look at his topic history always posing as he is fish admin and baiting trolling just toxic
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it's not "bait" and we are very thankful for your votes.
most voted no, and it's not my mind because some also voted Yes. i will try a cheaper host soon in February or March to see the players and what they will play. if you have PvPGN knowledge, please message me. your help will be credited and publicly thanked.
also i am happy to see the constructive replies. thank you very much~!
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On February 11 2018 01:15 Dazed. wrote: I might, but i would never play on one run by fish admins--- go fuck yourself fish admins! respectfully of course.
i would like to clear this up. the bad fish admins were old. the ones i was with when Fish closed are not the same people. other fish admins would not be involved, including mog422 who created Fish in 2004. he is now a programmer in Japan
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On February 11 2018 03:46 lemmata wrote: If anyone wants to make a new 1.16.1 server, continuing ShieldBattery seems a thousand times better than this. Two cents. The underlying technology on the parts that were functional was way ahead of the previous community-run servers.
i have looked at shield battery, and i do agree. i am amazed to see it is progressed but i am sad to see.
it is open source. can a ShieldBattery person contact me and tell me if it would be okay to use their system?
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On February 11 2018 04:10 ninazerg wrote: ShieldBattery is the only other server platform I'd ever consider at this point.
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IMHO, BW player base is too small to split now, let's stay on one server together, it's BN.
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On February 11 2018 09:49 fish_radio wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2018 03:46 lemmata wrote: If anyone wants to make a new 1.16.1 server, continuing ShieldBattery seems a thousand times better than this. Two cents. The underlying technology on the parts that were functional was way ahead of the previous community-run servers. i have looked at shield battery, and i do agree. i am amazed to see it is progressed but i am sad to see. it is open source. can a ShieldBattery person contact me and tell me if it would be okay to use their system? it's licensed as MIT so you can do pretty much whatever you want with it. you don't need to ask anyone. it's a work in progress.
https://github.com/ShieldBattery/ShieldBattery/blob/master/LICENSE
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Yelloant gave me access to ICCup's server code for development but I don't even know if anyone still plays on ICCup anymore
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On February 11 2018 17:03 xboi209 wrote:Yelloant gave me access to ICCup's server code for development but I don't even know if anyone still plays on ICCup anymore i can help iCCup if they want. if we work on iCCup, my potential server will be useless and i will not spend money lol
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please post or DM feature requests.
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This is great! 1.16.1 is much more better than SC:R in my opinion. Hope this will attract some Korean pros to practice on this new platform and we can hold some tournaments on this platform.
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fish radio reminds me of a buoy in a hurricane.
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On February 12 2018 21:20 1030xxx wrote: This is great! 1.16.1 is much more better than SC:R in my opinion. Hope this will attract some Korean pros to practice on this new platform and we can hold some tournaments on this platform. i do not believe it will. i have two reasons: 1. i would have to be better than 1.16.1 and remaster and iccup and fish in every way. me and SEBUNS are two people. we can not work so much. 2. blizzard has more advertising power.
likely it will be a fun server similar to CYaRon (CYaRon is empty)
On February 12 2018 21:48 Golgotha wrote: fish radio reminds me of a buoy in a hurricane. ?_?
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?_? I believe he means something to the effect of you pissing in the wind.
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On February 13 2018 00:39 Dazed. wrote: I believe he means something to the effect of you pissing in the wind. i think it's a fun idea.
i want League channel to start auto-search through the launcher instead of join. i don't know how i will scale matchmaking. that is very fragile. easy to be bad.
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I think remastered has been a flop, not only the product proper but also the effect it has had on the scene.
But if we're being completely honest, I wouldn't go back to a 1.16 server now because I don't have time nor the inclination to spend 10+ minutes looking for games. Having an active server is number 1 priority, having a great server is secondary.
I'm very curious why Koreans would not go back to a 1.16 server. I guess match making is a success for them?
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I voted no, because we really need to stop splitting the community into differents servers. In fact, we have to do the exact opposite and try to all go play at the same place to make sure there's a healthy amount of players. Remastered still has flaws, but i'm hoping we can trust it and make it the best it can be because honestly I feel it's our best option at this point.
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On February 13 2018 03:03 B-royal wrote: I think remastered has been a flop, not only the product proper but also the effect it has had on the scene.
But if we're being completely honest, I wouldn't go back to a 1.16 server now because I don't have time nor the inclination to spend 10+ minutes looking for games. Having an active server is number 1 priority, having a great server is secondary.
I'm very curious why Koreans would not go back to a 1.16 server. I guess match making is a success for them? this will have matchmaking search! because to ShieldBattery open source technology on GitHub and some data memory dump from SC:R patch 1.20, can be very good to satisfy.
there is a moral part of this... want 1.16.1 but hate search times you need to play it even more. invite friends to show them the work. korean friend in Russia will help host the datacenter in Saint Petersburg. Blizzard Entertainment will have no power.
give me a few weeks. slow down this thread for now because the project will be worked on.
please be patient. i have a full time job 10 hours a day.
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fish I meant it as a compliment. you just won't die =) I hope your server works and you get matchmaking. without MM your server will be pointless though
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On February 13 2018 19:12 Golgotha wrote: fish I meant it as a compliment. you just won't die =) I hope your server works and you get matchmaking. without MM your server will be pointless though SEBUNS here (other Sebyul dev), we share this account sometimes. Thank you! Me, Radio, and GYP are all very excited for this! And yes, you're correct about match-making. All reasonable criticism is welcome.
GYP doesn't speak English, but we hope to have him update you guys on TL at some point as he is the one who provided the Fish bnetd code. mog422 was very hush hush about the code even to his real life friends.
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kill it before it lays eggs!!!
just... no.
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why all the hate for these starcraft fans who are trying to create a better service for the community? most people here just cry and bitch about how blizzard is deliberately trying to destroy the game, at least Sebyul is actually trying to do something about it. If Sebyul can get matchmaking to work and even things like 2v2 matchmaking, SC:R dev team will have to step up their game and that can only be GOOD for us. Cool to see the initiative you guys have. Sebyul means New Star right? New Star server?
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