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ALLEYCAT BLUES48987 Posts
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ALLEYCAT BLUES48987 Posts
Note that the dates are for First set of Group matches, as these are Bo5s each group is going to be stretched by at least 3 game days
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i wonder if they will do winners match A + winners match B on the same day
then losers match A + deciding match A on same day oh wait hmm that would require 2 series to be played on the same day by the losers match winner
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Video of the group draw here. Cool to see all these pros in the same room, has some English subtitles, too.
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8 tosses, thats kinda unusual. I also bet stork is thrilled not to have any zergs in his group.
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Flash didn't try to qualify or is it a invitational?
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United Kingdom12010 Posts
Rain Mini Snow Shine Shuttle JD Mind Best
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Is this the blizz organised event? Assuming no but want to double check
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France1916 Posts
Pretty poor job on the subs but well better than nothing.
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?36656 Posts
No Flash? He doesn't seem to be competing much these days :/
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damnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn MY BOY JD vs light pfffffffff lights tvz is so damn good
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Someone please explain Flash situation.
I’m rooting for Best. I think Sea might surprise us and go far.
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Only groups B and D have obvious winners. Although it's a far stretch, Movie please advance.
Also isn't it funny how the second group is filled with second place winners from ASL?
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This is looking good! Can't wait to watch them
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TLADT24917 Posts
On July 13 2018 03:09 Seeker wrote: No Flash? He doesn't seem to be competing much these days :/ He couldn't since he made a prior commitment to an event in China (showmatches for RM server being opened there). I personally feel it's a big mistake not to find a way to have him play in KSL, will sadly call legitimacy of winner into question. Still, I'm excited for more BW! :D
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What about Hero? Why isn’t he in this?
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On July 13 2018 04:23 Alpha-NP- wrote: What about Hero? Why isn’t he in this.
Hero went to the military, sadly.
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On July 13 2018 04:23 Alpha-NP- wrote: What about Hero? Why isn’t he in this. Went to military service
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So it's actually 15 to 25 games for every group? Nice.
I think we're looking at:
Rain / Mini Snow / Sea SoulKey / Shuttle Mind / Best
for the round of 8
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Looks good. Too bad that no Flash.
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What about Effort? He didn’t qualify?
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51133 Posts
according to cadenzie, effort has an injury so he didnt want to participate
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really looking forward to this
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fml, Soulkey in a group with Jaedong. Soulkey sucks at ZvZ already and now with JvZ? That's at least one lost series for ma boi.
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On July 13 2018 08:26 SchAmToo wrote: fml, Soulkey in a group with Jaedong. Soulkey sucks at ZvZ already and now with JvZ? That's at least one lost series for ma boi.
As much as I hate to say it, Jaedong isn't THAT good anymore. Still respectable, but he's a while removed from tyrant. Truly a shame about his physical struggles because that's the real issue by the sound of it.
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BeSt will win Group D, but BeSt and Mind in same group lol
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To any1 wondering why Flash's not there - relax... He probably would have qualified, but was not in Korea at the time of the qualifiers( I believe he was in China for some BW event there, but someone with more knowledge has to confirm this) so he's skipping this one.
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JD, please supersaiyan and win this for me <3
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We have 5 weeks for Ro16
Week 1: Group A, B
Week 2: Group C, D
Week 3: Winners' and Losers' match Group A, B
Week 4: Winners' and Losers' match Group C, D
Week 5: Final match Group A, B, C, D
Every day, we have 2 best of 5 matches
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too bad, none of the less known players made it to the RO16
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Flash's girlfriend is a chinese model/actor.and that Showmatch was really boring(Flash 1v2 chinese gosu Production & Control),easy money.
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Its always nice to see starcraft bringing countries close togheter though. Much love!
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On July 13 2018 04:15 BigFan wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2018 03:09 Seeker wrote: No Flash? He doesn't seem to be competing much these days :/ He couldn't since he made a prior commitment to an event in China (showmatches for RM server being opened there). I personally feel it's a big mistake not to find a way to have him play in KSL, will sadly call legitimacy of winner into question. Still, I'm excited for more BW! :D More then making a Terran unfavored map pool?
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I really don't like that it's all bo5. I love me some starcraft, but who has time to watch 20 bo5s before we even got to the bracket? One bo5 usually takes about 3 hours with pre-game/post-game stuff and commercials. Bo1 in groups has proven to work just fine for BW... I feel for Tastosis, even with "only" two bo5s per day, those will be some long days.
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On July 13 2018 02:00 dsadsadsa0 wrote:Video of the group draw here. Cool to see all these pros in the same room, has some English subtitles, too.
That was an awesome watch, thanks for the link
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On July 14 2018 03:17 Lorch wrote: I really don't like that it's all bo5. I love me some starcraft, but who has time to watch 20 bo5s before we even got to the bracket? One bo5 usually takes about 3 hours with pre-game/post-game stuff and commercials. Bo1 in groups has proven to work just fine for BW... I feel for Tastosis, even with "only" two bo5s per day, those will be some long days. I do and I'm gonna watch ever single one of them :D
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my predictions for round 1 of games are last rain snow sharp soulkey light horang2 best
hmm is it bad manner to post prediction?
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Is it actually going to be all bo5s?I thought it was going to be regular double elimination. If they're going to be doing 5x3-5 matches, that's insane.
I'm not too sure about those dates though, where were you getting this from? On the announcement pages (https://ksl.starcraft.com/en-us/about/), The dates they've given are 4 weeks from July 19 to Aug 27 to complete the group stage, twice a week. So I guess that means each group will be finished over two nights? First night they play the first 2-3 Bo5s, and the other day finish the rest?
That's the only way I can concieve of them doing it because doing potentially 25 games in a single night and then 25 the next night is pure insanity, one player could concievably end up playing 15 games in a row which is just not possible.
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On July 14 2018 09:24 Wonk wrote: Is it actually going to be all bo5s?I thought it was going to be regular double elimination. If they're going to be doing 5x3-5 matches, that's insane.
I'm not too sure about those dates though, where were you getting this from? On the announcement pages (https://ksl.starcraft.com/en-us/about/), The dates they've given are 4 weeks from July 19 to Aug 27 to complete the group stage, twice a week. So I guess that means each group will be finished over two nights? First night they play the first 2-3 Bo5s, and the other day finish the rest?
That's the only way I can concieve of them doing it because doing potentially 25 games in a single night and then 25 the next night is pure insanity, one player could concievably end up playing 15 games in a row which is just not possible.
It's 2 bo5's per night.
It will probably be opening 2 matches for each group for the first 2 weeks. Winners & Losers matches per group for the following 2 weeks, and the final matches in the 5th week.
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On July 14 2018 11:02 Chris_Havoc wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2018 09:24 Wonk wrote: Is it actually going to be all bo5s?I thought it was going to be regular double elimination. If they're going to be doing 5x3-5 matches, that's insane.
I'm not too sure about those dates though, where were you getting this from? On the announcement pages (https://ksl.starcraft.com/en-us/about/), The dates they've given are 4 weeks from July 19 to Aug 27 to complete the group stage, twice a week. So I guess that means each group will be finished over two nights? First night they play the first 2-3 Bo5s, and the other day finish the rest?
That's the only way I can concieve of them doing it because doing potentially 25 games in a single night and then 25 the next night is pure insanity, one player could concievably end up playing 15 games in a row which is just not possible. It's 2 bo5's per night. It will probably be opening 2 matches for each group for the first 2 weeks. Winners & Losers matches per group for the following 2 weeks, and the final matches in the 5th week.
Yes, this sounds much more sensible, so each player gets a rest between bo5s. This feels like a really good system, I think I prefer this to the bo1 double elims in ASL. And I see now about the weeks, I had to look at a calendar, my brain couldn't work out july19 to aug17 = 10 nights.
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On July 13 2018 12:17 bovienchien wrote: We have 5 weeks for Ro16
Week 1: Group A, B
Week 2: Group C, D
Week 3: Winners' and Losers' match Group A, B
Week 4: Winners' and Losers' match Group C, D
Week 5: Final match Group A, B, C, D
Every day, we have 2 best of 5 matches Thank you for the information
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Sad no Flash like everyone else, but hyped as fuck regardless. I also didn't know hero went to the military, which is a shame because I feel like there might not be many strong zergs left pretty soon :/ poor JD is hindered by his physical issues and may not stick armuch much longer.
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On July 14 2018 16:50 tanngard wrote: Thank you for the information It's just my guess. Maybe, it's:
Week 3: Winners' match Group A, B, C, D
Week 4: Losers' match Group A, B, C, D
I wonder, what's map pool and will bo5 have 5 or 4 maps?
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On July 14 2018 03:17 Lorch wrote: I really don't like that it's all bo5. I love me some starcraft, but who has time to watch 20 bo5s before we even got to the bracket? One bo5 usually takes about 3 hours with pre-game/post-game stuff and commercials. Bo1 in groups has proven to work just fine for BW... I feel for Tastosis, even with "only" two bo5s per day, those will be some long days.
So to summarize: new cool BW torunament is coming, your reaction is "poor casters, having to cast all that bw". You sure are enthusiastic huh
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On July 14 2018 18:16 LocoBolon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2018 03:17 Lorch wrote: I really don't like that it's all bo5. I love me some starcraft, but who has time to watch 20 bo5s before we even got to the bracket? One bo5 usually takes about 3 hours with pre-game/post-game stuff and commercials. Bo1 in groups has proven to work just fine for BW... I feel for Tastosis, even with "only" two bo5s per day, those will be some long days. So to summarize: new cool BW torunament is coming, your reaction is "poor casters, having to cast all that bw". You sure are enthusiastic huh
Well their standard work day seems to be about 3 hours of actual casting. They'll have to do 6-10+ now. Sorry that I show some empathy. And tbh I don't see how hosting one tournament makes up for all the crap they have done to BW, even if you just look at their shitty attitude towards ASL since Remastered launched.
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On July 14 2018 19:37 Lorch wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2018 18:16 LocoBolon wrote:On July 14 2018 03:17 Lorch wrote: I really don't like that it's all bo5. I love me some starcraft, but who has time to watch 20 bo5s before we even got to the bracket? One bo5 usually takes about 3 hours with pre-game/post-game stuff and commercials. Bo1 in groups has proven to work just fine for BW... I feel for Tastosis, even with "only" two bo5s per day, those will be some long days. So to summarize: new cool BW torunament is coming, your reaction is "poor casters, having to cast all that bw". You sure are enthusiastic huh Well their standard work day seems to be about 3 hours of actual casting. They'll have to do 6-10+ now. Sorry that I show some empathy. And tbh I don't see how hosting one tournament makes up for all the crap they have done to BW, even if you just look at their shitty attitude towards ASL since Remastered launched.
How is this math working? ASL Groupstage had one group a day with 5xBo1. Thus five games. 2xBo5 can at max be 10 games. That would at max double the amount of games. But at least you get rid of the setup time which you have for every Bo1 in ASL Groupstage. So for a Bo5 to conclude you have 3-5 games. Avg is 4, so its 8 games for a set which are 3 games more than in ASL groupstage on avg. Thats probably 1hr more of casting, especially if you consider the smaller total setup time for the players.
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On July 14 2018 19:37 Lorch wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2018 18:16 LocoBolon wrote:On July 14 2018 03:17 Lorch wrote: I really don't like that it's all bo5. I love me some starcraft, but who has time to watch 20 bo5s before we even got to the bracket? One bo5 usually takes about 3 hours with pre-game/post-game stuff and commercials. Bo1 in groups has proven to work just fine for BW... I feel for Tastosis, even with "only" two bo5s per day, those will be some long days. So to summarize: new cool BW torunament is coming, your reaction is "poor casters, having to cast all that bw". You sure are enthusiastic huh Well their standard work day seems to be about 3 hours of actual casting. They'll have to do 6-10+ now. Sorry that I show some empathy. And tbh I don't see how hosting one tournament makes up for all the crap they have done to BW, even if you just look at their shitty attitude towards ASL since Remastered launched. Empathy? Oh please, you're just whininh
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I mean HotS has 8+ hour streams three times a week for HGC. BW just always had short broadcast days due to BO1, I don't mind them being longer.
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On July 14 2018 19:37 Lorch wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2018 18:16 LocoBolon wrote:On July 14 2018 03:17 Lorch wrote: I really don't like that it's all bo5. I love me some starcraft, but who has time to watch 20 bo5s before we even got to the bracket? One bo5 usually takes about 3 hours with pre-game/post-game stuff and commercials. Bo1 in groups has proven to work just fine for BW... I feel for Tastosis, even with "only" two bo5s per day, those will be some long days. So to summarize: new cool BW torunament is coming, your reaction is "poor casters, having to cast all that bw". You sure are enthusiastic huh Well their standard work day seems to be about 3 hours of actual casting. They'll have to do 6-10+ now. Sorry that I show some empathy. And tbh I don't see how hosting one tournament makes up for all the crap they have done to BW, even if you just look at their shitty attitude towards ASL since Remastered launched.
I'm pretty sure Tasteless and Artosis are more than happy to cast all that Brood War. These games are gonna be sick!
Besides, the only possible downside I see is if it ends up being a TvT Bo5. Most Bo5 don't actually go that long I find.
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I see that Blizzard still shilling SC2 hard by using BW as a sort of tie-up, brand ambassador type thing. In a perfect world I hope BW would just sell it to the Korean government or something lol
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Are we complaining about Bo5 double elimination? I've been waiting for this tournament format for years. This is fantastic.
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ALLEYCAT BLUES48987 Posts
On July 16 2018 16:37 Broodwar4lyf wrote: I see that Blizzard still shilling SC2 hard by using BW as a sort of tie-up, brand ambassador type thing. In a perfect world I hope BW would just sell it to the Korean government or something lol
how is blizz shilling SC2 here?
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konadora
Singapore66060 Posts
all best of 5 holy shit nice
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On July 17 2018 02:55 Djabanete wrote: Are we complaining about Bo5 double elimination? I've been waiting for this tournament format for years. This is fantastic.
I'm not. So often, the better players 'overall' are out in the ro16 because of 2 bad games, especially when it comes to ZvZ where its already random enough as it is.. The format we have now, the better players should always advance, and I think that's what is the best for everyone.
Also, more games to watch is nice for the viewers. People say it's a lot of games for the players... I mean, not sure how I agree with that. They play like 15-20 games a day when practicing on stream no problem and they barely ever take a break between games.
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konadora
Singapore66060 Posts
more games and we could definitely see who were better and who werent..
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I'm sure this is not the correct thread to complain about this, but why can't/won't they show glimpses of the players faces during games, like in the good old KeSPA days? Blizzard is sponsoring this tournament right(?), like what, they don't have enough budget to afford this? I personally think it would add a good amount of production value.
I really miss those "oh sh*t" zoom ins etc. The only times we see the players faces are before and after the games. Also, some glimpses of First Person Views now and then would be really nice.
My apologies if this has been questioned and answered somewhere already, just really curious.
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51133 Posts
because its 2018 and these tournaments have different program directors. just a change in presentation style, but in the end its not going to make people stop watching them.
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The KSL has been quite fun and entertaining to watch so far. I'm enjoying artosis and tasteless making sense of it all for the non Korean or Asian residing audience. Those men have developed into being the full on sportscenter of sc gaming. I bet Rain repeats or Best wins who has been looking quite strong in the ro16.
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